Game 38 Open Thread
by the red baron on May 10, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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Joel Pineiro Ben Sheets
2-2, 4.33 4-0, 2.29
Rumours abound that Chris Perez is on his way to help the big club, but so far, nothing confirmable. If it is, in fact, the case, I must say I'm impressed by the alacrity with which this move was made. I wasn't expecting such a quick response to the current 'pen woes. I hope it's true; I'm excited to see the kid get a chance at the big league level.
Sheets has been downright nasty at times this year, but, as always, has been a little banged up. The Cardinals seem to usually do pretty well against ol' Ben- let's hope that's the case today.
Go Cards!
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Well.
We should know real soon if Perez is coming up unless it isn’t happening till Monday.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be one of the fastest responses to a struggling closer I think I've seen.
Man it stinks to take a 3 game losing streak into a game against Ben Sheets.
by TheBirds on May 10, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially...
when it should have been 4 wins in 5 days instead.
by svengali on May 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
could, not should.
At the end of the day, Izzy’s woes or not, it still took a series of batters on the other team to win it. Like it or not, the Rockies earned their win. They slammed balls for triples against an out of position player.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd say should
Izzy should of done his job and the Cards should have won 4 of their last 5
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy was putting it up on a tee for them
Major League hitters are going to do something with that every time.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I thought the game Franklin was in, when we won 6-5, is the game that woke up their bats.
I had a bad feeling that the Rockies were going to win the next day after coming so close.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mixed feelings
I’m happy for Chris Perez, and hope that he is able to close well for the Cards, which means I’m also happy for the Cards to have a new closer.
On the sad side of things however, I feel bad for Izzy. He’s been a very effective closer throughout his career and has helped the Cards for quite some time. He is however apparently past his prime, which is sad considering I’m the same age as Izzy and don’t consider myself past my prime. Hearing that Edmonds has been released and that Izzy is having such major problems really makes you think about the longevity of players and how few of them know when to hang it up. I could probably write more but need to spend some time with the kids.
by sbentley on May 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon just bew two games maybe the Sox would trade for IZZy ala Gagne ???
That would be a sweet deal for us eh?
Send us over Jed Lowrie for Izzy and Reyes.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes ...
I am joking.
I think Papelbon will be just fine…
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but it goes to show
that even the best closers in their prime aren’t automatic, far from it.
If our defense was better and our LOB was lower, last night shouldn’t even have been a one run game to begin with, matter in fact I’d say most of the times we’ve had blown saves we should have been out of a save scenario as it was.
That doesn’t discount the lack of authority that Izzy has been having, but it shows that if you don’t want to get in a blown save situation, get some more damn runs to begin with.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that even the best have an off day but Izzy has definetly lost a step all of the sudden.
He has blown 5 almost as many as he has saved with an ERA over 7. He is toast at the moment.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and as you’ve seen, he feels the same. Going out on the mound feels like deadman walking
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
For him to come out and say he shouldn’t be closing must mean something is seriously wrong. ALthough I really respect it because that is what I said under my breath after the game last night as I ranted to my girlfirend while she blankly stared back like I do to her when she talks shoes.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least that last line
took the sad thoughts out of my mind for a bit anyway.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
& no.
Lowrie does not equal Izzy and Reyes.They would have to have a hole in thier heads to deal Lowrie for Izzy and Reyes and Mo one to not pull the trigger right away if they would…
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles is starting at third base today...
This has ugly written all over it
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"I have a bad feeling about this" - Han Solo
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaarghaarrwwoorooarrhgh
-Chewy doesn’t like it either
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I can die happy
Having finally read a wookie’s cry spelled phonetically.
by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievble.
With Ryan back, and Kenedy and Izturis contributing, there is no need to ever play Miles outside of 2B (and even that is pushing it). He has neither the range nor the arm to play that position. It is absurd.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Miles .329 slugging %
the lowest ever for a 3b?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt ryan make two terrible plays at third yesterday?
I didnt get to see the game, crappy work, but I saw one on replay.
i assume thats why he isnt starting.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus if iz2 is getting a day off
I’d much rather see miles at third and ryan at short than vice-versa…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,
Isringhausen can have a bad week before his job is relinquished; but Ryan can’t have more than a bad game? I prefer SleepyCA’s argument for why Miles is in there. I didn’t realize earlier that Glaus was hurt. I still don’t have much use for Miles, but he’s what we’ve got.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if ryan plays like an allstar for most of a decade
then he’ll get more benefit of the doubt
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, ...
does that mean Miles is an All-Star, or has some kind of proven track record of which I’m unaware? Comparing Izzy to Ryan is overstating the situation, but I can’t say that Miles deserves playing time over Ryan at any time. I also did not have an issue with Izzy being given the benefit of the doubt. I’m simply pointing out that LaRussa probably gives veterans too long of a leash and rookies too short of a leash.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord...
All of the sudden we are short a 3B and a closer.
Looks like the wheels are starting to wobble.
Better get to dealing Mo or bring up some kids. Freese might not be that bad and Uncle Rico would be much better than Miles.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the chance of a defensive liability
of Miles over Rico who.. in all of his MLB at bats seemed he couldn’t catch up with a fastball over 90mph. His bat is not anywhere close to MLB level.
With all of the griping about Glaus not heating up, going to miss that smooth glove he’s had
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus has been a plus plus at 3B...
I didn’t see Rico bat but I remember hearing he had a couple of big ones at the plate where he came through with a hit.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was batting .158
with an OPS of .536
by Evilfrog on May 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I cant recall him ever hitting when he was up with the club, and he was bad ith the glove.
though I think he has a rep for really hitting donw on the farm
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOX!!!
If you’re going to block me out, you have to do better than a rerun of MA*SH* on your local affiliate
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
f
chicago-arizona
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
by themanthemyth on May 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
that storm will hurry the hell up and they will be forced to show the Cards game as the back-up.
Wait, are the Yankees or Red Sox on the game schedule for fox today too?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt a week or so ago
if I recall fox had a situation where their game was rained out and instead of picking up the other game they just showed tarps and stuff…?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
We were in San Fran and looked at the tarps in the boston/yanks delay
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well obviously
the tarps in a yankees-sox game are more interesting than game action somewhere else
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fox here has yanks-tigers
no chance it goes to stl
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same in california
but I’ve got radio for free.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lineups anyone???
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
got em now, thanks.
skip
miles – 3b
albert
ankiel
dunc – oh boy, poor luddy
kennedy
molina
jo-el
ryan – ss
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least Luddy's OPS won't take a hit
from having to face Sheets. hopefully Duncan can get going, but that’s a tough assignment as well…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
Sheets ERA won’t take a pounding from having to face Luddy’s bat
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larussa Talking
on FOX pregame (local) saying Izzy is out of 9th for awhile, and looks like closer by committee is coming. Izzy will be pitching in “other situations”. Izzy punched a wall, could be on DL. They officially left Perez in memphis.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy punched a wall? Ouch.......that will put you on the DL.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do full grown ML players
have to punch walls and throw things in the dugout. I have always thought that was so silly and childish.
by ridgesee on May 10, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emotion
We ask them to play at 110% all the time.
If I cared about my job as much as I want them to, I’d probably break things when I screwed up too.
by djsmokyc on May 10, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell, I don't like my job
and I still punch walls
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why cubicles
are made from soft spongy cloth. Cuts work-related injuries by 50%.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm older than any of those guys, including Franco
and I still do it when things at work blow up in my face. It comes with being an emotional and committed person.
Thing is: I make sure to always punch a soft wall.
by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also reported ...
that he won’t have to be put on the DL, despite the wall punching incident.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like he was trying to put himself on the DL
heh. all these last few blown saves have shown that he won’t be used as often and won’t be the de facto closer
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitchers
stop fucking doing that. seriously no one else punches a damn wall.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My whole thing is...
why don’t clubs fine pitchers for this crap?
The Cards are paying Izzy $8mil to pitch not to punch. If Izzy breaks his hand, the Cards are out a lot of money for nothing.
Of course, that could’ve been a blessing in disguise. But still! Remember when Kevin Brown did this with the Yankees?
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By definition,
this is not a reasonable moment from the individual. Do you think they are going to stop and think “Oh, I better not punch this. It could cost me money.”? A reasonable person knows that his bread is buttered with that hand. Do you think a fine will make that realization greater for the player?
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my problem is
its always pitchers, you never see other guys do it.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put down the suitcase, Chris
Kilcoyne says Perez is staying in Memphis for now. Closer by committee approach for now.
by Merry CRasmus on May 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder if Piñeiro is still hurting
Perez makes more sense in StL than Parisi does at this point. Though I guess room on the 40 man needs to be made for him. But still…
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Mo wanted to bring Perez up, but it got Vetoed by TLR
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt TLR can veto Mo
Plus I think that if they were going to bring Perez up, TLR is smart enough to know that it would be a GOOD thing
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, LaRussa can veto Mo
he was given certain assurances by DeWitt when he signed his new contract. I’d have to imagine that this was one of them.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the key phrase
you would have to imagine it is one of them. Who knows?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if la russa can veto Mo
how did anthony reyes make the opening day roster?
by lboros on May 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took alot of work to get Reyes
onto the team and it’s become pretty clear that he was only here to increase trade value.
If Perez is called up, it’s so that he can be part of the big league team.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was still done over tony's objections
tony has a lot of influence, but “veto power” is way overstating it
by lboros on May 10, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure an agreement was met on Reyes
but look at the Perez situation slightly differently. LaRussa has plenty of reasons not to bring Perez up and make him the closer. Firstly, if he succeeds, he sticks. Izzy is done as the Cardinals closer. LaRussa isn’t ready to make that move yet. If he was, Izzy wouldn’t have been trotted out there the last two times.
I have no idea whether LaRussa stopped this move or not, but I know he was given assurances in his new deal. I’d have to imagine that having control over roster moves (within reason) was one of them.
With Reyes, he could trot him out there whenever he felt comfortable doing so and never really have to worry about Mozeliak dictating playing time for players. With Perez, it’s different. Perez comes up and he is up (if successful) for the next 10 years. He isn’t trade bait. It has much more effect on who LaRussa plays.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are overstating the Perez situation.
I don’t believe that you have to cement Perez in the closer role immediately just because you bring him up. There is no reason why he couldn’t be eased in as a 7th or 8th inning option. It would give him time to develop against major league hitters without the immediate pressure.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be the other way around...
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
Tony does seem to be more agressive with younger players this year, but mo may be protecting that option looking forward
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the committee
better consist of anyone not named Franklin. Hopefully a trade is in the works that gets Franklin , Reyes, and Miles out and gets Perez and Mather up by Monday
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I’m not sure if Springer is any better. I suspect Springer and Franklin get the first cracks at it. But then again, I’m a bit of a cynic.
by Merry CRasmus on May 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize this is extremely unpopular, but ...
you guys do realize that Franklin’s numbers are this year are actually pretty good, right? Especially after the first week of the season. He’s no shutdown guy, but I don’t think the Cards have anyone at the major league level that is a backup closer. I say alternate between Villone, Springer, Franklin, and KMac for now; and see if Izzy can straighten things out. If that fails, bring up Perez.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thinking from a long-term perspective,
I’d think that K-Mac has the most potential value in the role. if we give him a shot and he has success, even if it’s just luck, Mo will suddenly have quite the trade chip at the deadline. Some contender with a weak GM (seattle?) might be tricked into giving up something valuable.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(and of course)
in a best-case scenario, we might discover that we have something too valuable to trade.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you rather ...
see the value of Franklin or Springer inflated, so that maybe we could unload one of the senior citizens in favor of the younger guys?
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a trade prospective
it makes some sense, but do we want to? I mean, K-Mac has given considerable gains in high leverage situations so far this year. But how often do we have a high leverage situation in the 9th?
I mean, I still like the addage of using K-Mac to win the game irregardless of inning. “Win it in the 7th” if we have to. Restricting down his abilities to one inning seems like we could be losing in the end.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin has been effective
I agree he probably does get a bit of a bad rap on here. Mostly because he’s been a bit of a fluke from a sabermetric perspective.
His stuff doesn’t really fit the mold for a closer. But he’s been getting it done so far. Personally, I’d like to use the guys with the best overall stuff and Guys that miss bats. So I’m a little partial to McClellan and Perez. But point taken, maybe we keep an open mind on it all for a while and see how it plays out. I don’t know if I can help it, but I’ll try.
I do think Perez could be used in a number of roles up here right now, doesn’t have to be closer. I’d like to see him get his opportunity soon. This situation is screaming for it.
by Merry CRasmus on May 10, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious how he does it, also.
I just know that when you look at his results, they have been pretty good for us. He’s definitely not a K guy. I would like to see McClellan and Perez get a shot, too. How many of us really thought that LaRussa would give the closer’s spot to Wainwright in ‘06? It shocked the s@#$ out of me. Maybe he’ll decide to use McClellan there. I would like to see McClellan get bumped up to at least the 8th inning spot. It would be nice to see what he can do with the additional pressure.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, yeah
I know. My mind just tends to remember the last game only sometimes. I need to get it to stop doing that. Shockingly, it does not have that problem when it comes to Izzy.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we score a packload of runs
and get out of this “to save or not to save” bs? :)
The best way to not worry about a closer is not to be in a situation to need one
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from your fingers
to their bats!
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right.....it's a lot of pressure on all of the pitchers to have little or no margin for error every game.
It’s hard to maintain-that goes for anyone’s pitching staff, not just the Cardinals. And their run scoring has been fairly anemic most of this season.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan???
oh man, just when i thought i was getting a break from our announcers, there is good ole dan. now i get to heal my home helitech on saturday!!!
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip first pitch hitting.. sigh
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was second
and he didn’t get a hit :D
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, fair enough
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets is going to dominate us today
the team’s morale is very low and his great talent is going to sink it even further.
As was in the PD today:
“I think everybody is pretty down right now,” Wellemeyer said.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unless he gets injured
heh
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not often
is a guy going to earn the record “most strikeouts for X team” on El Hombre’s bat.. but Sheets did.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, that could have gone better.
let’s go boys, end the streak
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan does have pretty good range doesn't he
That first at bat was lined pretty solid and Ryan was still there for the out had Miles been out of position.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way
miles or glaus or rolen gets that.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 pitches busted in on Braun
here’s an idea, stop throwing the same pitch over and over again.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Dave Duncan school of pitching.
If a guy has trouble with a certain location, then that is the only place one should pitch him. That has been a hallmark of his pitching philosophy. He believes in pitching low and away, but it doesn’t seem as though he emphasizes setting those pitches up.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
why was miles playing almost 15ft off the line?
Every foul was catering to the line, you think he’d play the line tighter with Ryan covering the hole. He’s obviously going to hit it there with those same pitches.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB blackout is on...
I have been watching the Saturday games until today. They are now implementing the FoX rules.
Sucks.
I’m in CT w/ the damn Yes network and Sox station. How Fox loses business over me watching the game I don’t understand.
On Perez…
The team needs a lift and some energy in the bull pen. I think he would give us a nice jolt after guys watch him throw flames past the opposing batters and know they have a chance.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed, the blackout is awful
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate saturdays
Although it means I get to listen on audio once a week, which keeps me grounded..
by RiverRat on May 10, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell
Sheets can pitch two complete games and still be under 100 pitches the way we’re batting
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh, 2 innings, 16 pitches
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm gonna be happy this game was blacked out the way it's going so far.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't you know we're good luck?
if you and i were able to watch, they’d be up 4-0 by now.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pin has looked good so far
“so far” being key phrase
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time the Cardinals were no hit?
Seaver was in 78, what has there been since then?
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fernando Valenzuela did it in ‘90, none since
and not today
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando
was a monster. One of the best preseason features FSNMW had were replays of classic Cards games leading up to the season. I remember watching Game 5 of the NLCS against the Dodgers (the “go crazy folks” game for you young’uns) with the same enthusiasm as I had as a 7 year-old. Fernando was incredibly rough that game.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright Joel
I’m just watching on gameday, but it lokos like he’s keeping all of his pitches down. good start so far.
by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah yadi.
bloop city!
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no hitter what?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brendan Ryan, nice!
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man yadi
is slow. good hit ryan
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard rooney that excited
about a runner going from first to third on a double
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Yadi's wheels
lol
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks brendan
show the upside
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
god this brewers radio announcer is terrible
keeps going off on tangents; i have no idea what the game situation is. He’s putting me to sleep. i think brendan ryan might be batting, but I’m not sure; no idea what happened to piniero.
Oh, yes, it was ryan batting. And he did good, hehe.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i had no idea it was bob euker
i thought euker was funny? This guy is as engaging as a upper level mech teacher. Wra wra wra wra wraaaa, wra wraa, wra wraa wra.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol oh man
i was listening to the home broadcast and completely forgot about Euker! Changed over now….ball 4….ball 8….low and rick vaughn has walked the bases full on 12 straight pitches.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to go Ryan...
now drive em in Skippy
by TxCardFan on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday just magic'd Ryan to 2nd
and skipped him in the gamelog.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Fox's scorekeepers found a side job...
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's go say hey skip!
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that, nice work Skip
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip hit the curveball for runs
and hit the fastball for no outs.
I’m so confused.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good job Skip
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First McLaughlin use of the word scrappy.
Everybody have a Franklin.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sadly it was on miles
someone needs to inform him that the keyword is ‘grit’
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preferrably in the manner of Alec Trebek
I love how many sublevels of “scrappy” we have in the lexicon. It’s almost as lush a vernacular as Eskimos have for “snow”.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's get a little patented miles blooper here
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow my gameday audio was about 10 seconds
behind gameday. hmmmm…
by TxCardFan on May 10, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can't wait for the day
when we get to choose which game to watch on tv, Fox. or directv. whoever can implement that feature, do it post-haste
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf
houston is 2.5 games out? go away, you pests. hopefully they’ll drop off in the second half instead of streaking at the end
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
walking Jason Kendall is almost as bad as walking Mike Fontenot
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
isnt that about all
that Kendall does?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who is the announcer with the lisp?
opposide of Dan?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could use the ole strike em out throw em out right here
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or another walk....playing with fire Jo-el
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird that welley and looper
have been better than lohse and piniero
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yankees are getting a nice start from Rasner today
oops… wrong game. stupid FOX.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on May 10, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice play for Miles
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good job
scrappy
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and even more scrappiness
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to hear more about
this blind hog
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs just scored on arizona
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't the cubs be the reds for a day?
Reds got pummeled in the first game of the DH
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope they lose today
wasn’t expecting them to win yesterday for some reason
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton
bobbled and then sat on the ball as Sori ran. Talk about awful.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it really was pathetic. not just the bobble but just the apathy or stupidness or whatever
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to some terrible defense by Justin Upton
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 gritty plays there
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shannon said that pujols home run
would have been over 500’ last night if the roof wasn’t closed
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was nice
to see him hit one of those monster shots again.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Shannon fun today
Caught this on the broadcast today:
John: “We would like to thank the armed men and women who are being honored here today at the ballpark. Without them we could not enjoy events like this”
Mike: “Astronauts too”
by BerkHHC on May 10, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only from
The Moonman
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was
Awesome.
I still dont see why people hate this guy.
He is pure Gold.
Then again I like Shatner too
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yanked!
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
POWER?!?!? FROM DUNCAN!>?!
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice
I’m thinking he needed that one
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i heard he was done...
guess i shouldn’t believe everything I read on teh interweb…
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crip, hes a crapple!
Dunc hits one off of Sheets!
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dunc
has reasonable numbers against Sheets, but that was a nice hit
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christmas in May!
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to go Dunc!!
nice to see him hit the ball in the air… or at all for that matter
by TxCardFan on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yaaaaaaay!
gotta love the contributions from struggling players when this team needs a boost.
by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy says ...
wait I think I can do that.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
must have busted out the good tobacco today.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on May 10, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tuhbackey
its pronounced Tuh-back-key ;-)
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
if dunc gets his homerun stroke going along with Ludwick, that’s some nice power numbers. not to mention if Glaus can actually start hitting for power
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he didn't have power anymore
Now I don’t feel so bad about Luddy not being in
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad slump is my guess
he needs to make up for his fielding somehow if he’s going to have playing time
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
Ive always been a little reticent about switching over to the Luddy bandwaggon, but lately Ive hopped on (how could I not?) and I was wondering why Dunc was starting over him today…
I bet it has somehting to do with sucess in small smaple sizes.
Goes to show supermanager did it again. Maybe Dunc will get on track?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no reason not to have two bandwagons...
not done the math yet, but that HR should push Duncan’s OPS over skip’s. if not, it’s very close… Not bad for a guy everyone is giving up on, offensively.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell
i am on 5 bandwagons
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully that takes the monkey off his back
While I like Luddy in, I can think of worse things than both of them slugging so well that it’s a constant debate on who’s in and who’s out. Defense set aside
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
finally found the game
thank you, tvants
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on May 10, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yadi's wrist appears hurt
but he’s staying in the game.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was like a cartoon...
i thought the ball would send him flying backwards
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, no choice but to catch it
that would have pegged him in the jaw, and was a screamer
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW, how was that not a homerun by Hall?
Off the bat, it looked like it would go about 450 feet
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess
is because piniero didn’t throw it very fast
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pin needs to get ahead in the count
or the brewers are going to stop getting under those meatballs and start putting them a little deeper than the track
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess somebody told Dan ...
please get in EVERY Cardinal antecdote you can fit into one game. If I hear him mention the fact that Prince Fielder is a vegetarian one more time. Besides the fact, he is a self-proclaimed vegan, not simply a vegetarian.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how can someone get a belly like that by only eating vegetables??
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heredity
genes, stuff like that
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably a few brewskis and custard too
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he's a vegan, i doubt he drinks or eats custard (definitely not custard, unless it's soy based)
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the vegetarian
some of them eat fish and eggs
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm talking about vegans, not vegetarians
vegans are even stricter than vegetarians, vegans won’t touch anything that is a byproduct of an animal, a bug, anything…
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not a vegan
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so i see, but that doesn't change the point of what I was saying :P
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vegans are much more rare than vegetarians
and make life very difficult for themselves. almost impossible to be a vegan
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to college with plenty that have tried.
I had a group of friends that got into it. It is pretty much silliness, IMO. I wouldn’t mind, but they tend to be so DAMN pious about it. Eat what you want, but shut up about it.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't had a banana in a month
but you don’t see me braggin’ about it.
—Jim Gaffigan
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dated a vegan once
and needless to say, it didnt work out well (with me being a red meat loving person). Trying to find places to go out to eat and stuff was nearly impossible. Any restaurant that was vegan friendly, made me want to vomit.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's hard enough dating a vegetarian
but a vegan? that’s going to be a pain
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not vegans, though.
They refuse anything with meat or even animal based proteins. They don’t eat blanched grains because they believe they use animal bones in the fires that are used for the blanching process.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes yes
I know what vegans do
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blanched grains...?
wuh, waaaaaahhh???
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically,
any white flour. I had it explained to me one day by some friends in college. You know the type. The ones that know everything about farming, but have not actually ever been on a farm. It was pretty irritating, and the logic is full of incongruities.
I’ll get off this now, as it is becoming too much socio-political nonsense for this forum.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beer
rice is a veggie, no?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rice is a grain technically
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh duh
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's alright, though.
They don’t discriminate against grains.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure I have had vegetable beer before
I know that pumpkin crap counts
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by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe...
That tubbo just recently went vegetarian. I could be wrong but I believe that I heard he went vegie due to concerns over his weight and health.
by streamman on May 10, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought
he was a recent convert
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, just a vegetarian
Fielder is only vegetarian. Tony Gonzalez of the KC Chiefs is the one who recently went vegan.
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by ChiTown CardFan on May 10, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. I was fairly sure that he had been advertising vegan earlier in the year.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy mistake to make.
I think—not 100% sure – that he went vegetarian after reading “Skinny Bitch” which is (poorly written) vegan manifesto in the form of a chick-lit diet book. (Must’ve been his wife’s?) Talks about abuse of animals, etc, and pushes a vegan agenda.
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by ChiTown CardFan on May 10, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for treating animals better
but if someone is selling me something that is already dead, why not eat it?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be ironic ...
to get davethebutcher into this conversation? Sorry, I couldn’t help it.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m not advocating veganism! I enjoy (mostly organic and humanely raised) meat and they’ll take cheese out of my cold dead hands. I only read – part of – the book because my future MIL gave it to me saying that I might “find it interesting”. But to answer your question: they make arguments that the human body is not designed to digest dairy products, and that we don’t need calcium from dairy, that eating meat makes us “fat pigs” and is therefore more harmful than good.
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by ChiTown CardFan on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arnt all mamals
designed to ingest dairy? I mean kinda, not from a cow or whatever.
and we are clearly designed to eat meat.
I understand their opinion on the matter though. But some of that sounds silly.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
we don’t really have the proper teeth for meat-eating. We’re not carnivorous. We’re omnivores.
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not completely true.
Your canine teeth, and effectively the front half of your teeth are designed for tearing meat from bone. The back half of your mouth contains teeth intended for grinding vegetables and grains. That is what makes us omnivores.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which implies
we are designed to eat meat.
which is exactly what I was saying (not trying to sound smart assed or anything) but its clear we are *supposed to be able to eat meat.
we CAN eat mean, we like eating meat, we are partially designed for it, hell Chimps eat meat on occasion.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this post was aimed at the omnivores post
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant was that
we’re “designed” to eat whatever is edible, including meat, but definitely not exclusively. And not to the quantity that most people eat meat. We’re not meant to eat meat at every meal, and many of us do.
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
we really only have 2-4 good meat-tearing teeth.
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many do you need?
And technically, the front eight are all intended for tearing meat and things such as corn off of the cob.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cats have
a whole mouth full of pointy, meat-tearing teeth. Dogs have a bunch of meat-tearing teeth, too. We have some.
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But, both of those animals are much more significantly carnivorous than we are. Cats have virtually no need for non-animal products. Dogs have some need, but typically can survive with just some added grasses to their diet.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lie brown
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again,
it is a survival thing. Meat was more difficult to get before we domesticized them. Consequently, an animal designed to eat only meat would not have had the same survival rate that we have had. Veggies, fruits, and grains were typically more available.
Your “meant to” argument doesn’t make sense. We were designed to be ABLE to go for longer periods without meat. That doesn’t mean that we weren’t MEANT to eat meat frequently.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of mammals that are carniverous:
Their bodies are designed to be able to catch meat without weapons or traps. They ARE the weapons and traps. We’re more intelligent, but this intelligence took A LOT of evolution.
Humans don’t have claws or fangs. We’re not fast like a puma or a jackal. We’re not camouflaged. We can’t fly to swoop down on prey.
Meat-eating teeth or no, our bodies aren’t naturally hunters. If anything, we are scavengers, picking the other animals’ leftovers clean.
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's inaccurate.
We are not scavengers. We have never been scavengers. Dogs are scavengers. Buzzards are scavengers. Animals that are scavengers are actually attracted to animals that have begun to decay. That characterization does not fit human beings. As a matter of fact, decaying material kills us. We can’t process the baterium and fungi that cause that process.
Sorry, we do have fangs. They are not as developed as the ones that dogs and gorrilas have, but your canine teeth ARE fangs. That is what they are designed for. We also have opposable thumbs, which allowed us to create tools. These tools were designed for the basic necessities of hunting, gathering, and creating shelter.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I meant hunter-gatherers. I’m just saying, our bodies are not exactly prime hunter material. How do you think the earliest human/humanoids caught/ate meat?
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I do believe that some of the earliest humans caught and ate meat. Remember that as we have evolved, so have other species. Not all herbivores were always so well developed for survival. The problem is, since they were bad at it, we never saw them. The dodo bird is a prime example. It was so poor at survival that it was driven out of existence.
As the hunted have developed, so have the skills of the hunter.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
all that I meant is that we’re not meat-thirsty. We’ll just eat whatever is edible. That’s all. Friends?
by spants on May 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I get animated, but it doesn’t mean I ever took it personally. It was a fun argument. I enjoy arguing. Your points were well taken. I hope I didn’t offend. Thanks for the exercise.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was fun.
I think we both see that there are degrees of carnivorousness. Debate is always good.
by spants on May 10, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly,
its just a goofy debate.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goofy is always fun.
It’s hard to get really mad when you know in your heart the debate is really kind of silly. It is a good way to keep the debate skills up, though. And spants made some very good points that were fun to debate.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the plains of africa where we our ancestors first evolved, they worked much like a pack of wolves (albeit not nearly as efficiently). They would sneak-up upon a heard of animals, near a watering hole or other such gathering place, and selected one of the weaker animals and killed it using very rough tools. Another favorite technique was to use fire to drive the herd to their death over a cliff or other such geologic feature.
by streamman on May 10, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is how the duncans still eat
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to start a whole new tear with this...
...but the teeth in your mouth evolved to make you omnivorous, as being adapted to eat what whatever food was available to them to eat gave our ancestors a selective advantage over those who could only efficiently eat meat, or only efficiently eat plant fibers. They were not “designed” in any real sense of the word.
by streamman on May 10, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Designed is a matter of opinion, but ...
your point is absolutely valid. However, since your point is actually a religious commentary, I’m going to stay WAAAAAY far away from it.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy the fact you wrote it in caps
POO
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just glad nobody said
so do the Duncans
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by mattyfrommo on May 11, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
You guys are confusing the crap out of me. I didn’t read either moniker close enough to realize that ChiTown CardFan and Cards Fan in Chitown were different. I thought there was a split personality argument going on here.
To your point, it depends on the vegan as to their argument. As I said, I had several friends in college that tried to present their arguments to me. The concept of what was best for the human body never came up, except as some additional justification for the ethical stance they were making. All of them tried to convince me that I was a bad person for being both an omnivore and an hunter.
I don’t doubt that a book aimed at circulation would spend more time trying to convince me of the improved health effects, but I haven’t seen any clinical evidence for that. It simply makes them feel better about themselves. Again, I’m all for that, just leave me alone about it.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice running ryan
+ E
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, Skippy sure does hit some lasers
even when he is making outs, he is making solid contact
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LIFT, man. LIFT.
If he could just get it over the infielders. I’d like to see him look to the opposite field a little more.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not nearly as patient with sheets
as he has been with most pitchers this year.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets just chewed Miles up
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chews him up...
... and Sheets him out.
by punditmoi on May 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought our team was a high strikeout team, this team is full of rod carews compared to the Diamondbacks.
Ted Lilly had 10 k’s yesterday, Dempster has 7 so far today.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they sure picked a convenient time to slump...
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Senor Pineiro is rolling today
67 pitches, 0 ER through 5 IP. The best way to avoid letting your bullpen blow the game is to pitch the whole thing yourself.
by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We've got five good closers
Wainwright, Pineiro, Lohse, Wellemeyer, and Looper
They just come in in the first inning and throw 20000 pitches
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the streak?
is it still alive?
oop, i guess so
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
37?
plus a 10-game hit streak, i believe
by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost half way to Ted Williams
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 behind personal best
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
Just spent the entire game trying to get my mlb.tv audio working…don’t install Kaspersky Internet Security if you want to listen to games…
by davethebutcher on May 10, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got up, it's 6:00 am here. Is Joel on his game today?
by akaitori on May 10, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems to be
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dbacks
got another lucky hit. or maybe they made an error. c’mon, don’t help the cubbies
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap
I meant the cubbies got a lucky hit on the dbacks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great AB from Dunc
to earn a walk. Maybe the slump is over.
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is Miles batting second and not Kennedy?
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only Tony LaRussa could answer that question
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see why
Kennedy batting second has been very successful so far. He’s a lefty going against the righty Sheets. Miles sucks. Why not bat Kennedy 2nd, Ryan 7th, Miles 9th?
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the second lead off hitter is to work best
I think you have to keep Ryan in the 9 hole, the combo of Ryan, Skip seems to work well (enough at least) I would say give miles the 7 hole. He seems to get lucky enough to find the hole up the middle frequently enough. Better yet bring up Mather and have a true back-up at the corners and let him hit in the 7 spot on days like today.
by streamman on May 10, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Kennedy sue for defamation?
This idiot next to Dan just referred to him as Miles.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess because...
tony wants more ummmphh lower in the order. lol
by streamman on May 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what, 5% more?
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice works cards
only 2 men LOB
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Until you just said that
Then it doubles
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
leave two on 1st and 2nd with two out than have bases loaded with no out and leave them all sitting there ala last night anyday of the week
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru dat
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok
we’re up by 3 runs; what could possibly go wrong?
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many losses have we had
where a starter has a 3 run lead when he leaves?
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
off the top of my head
no more than 11 or 12. Maybe it just seems that way ;)
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by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards' rally cry lately
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win expectancy
83.3%...I feel like our team this year has single-handedly dropped fangraphs’ win expectancies for each leading situation
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down sheets
it took Pineiro three of those…in a row, to start complaining
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dbacks just got outta a tight one with a great throw
by RiverRat on May 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Snakes!
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta go take a sheet
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very nice ryan
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
brendan
is his best at shortstop, by far.
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by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zryan
well, that was nifty
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jst made it through the posts. Confirmed that Izzy punched a wall? Probably missed the plate first.
by akaitori on May 10, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Punched the wall when he was trying to punch the floor
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear the punch he threw was a cutter
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was aiming for the dugout phone
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro
80 pitches through 6 IP
If he pitches 9 IP at this rate it’s 120 pitches
Would rather not see Franklin or Springer in this game!
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like that JP
is aggressive. He works both sides of the plate. He may get hit but he’s going after guys.
JP, WW, Looper, and the Colonel. Pretty good rotation. So far :)
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Lohse
Sucked hard last time (and I think the time before) but he’s been pretty good so far
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll bat in the seventh
so he’s probably done. Hope not.
by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, off topic
whats with the freakin hardees comercials?
do they think disgusting slopping and slirping sounds makes me want to buy their food?
maybe they think if they disgust me to the point of not wanting to eat I wont spend my money at their competators?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DBacks have the bases juiced with 1 out. Upton at bat
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
COME ON UPTON
NEED ME SOME FANTASY POINTS!
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by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he walked in a run
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Ryan must not have much power, because off the bat, that thing looked gone
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with the dome closed
does the ball carry less?
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it must, because Hall hit one earlier in the game that I thought was for sure a homerun as well
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's wind INSIDE the dome, believe it or not.
Wife and I saw a game there a couple of weeks ago. There was a distinct, although not strong, draft blowing from right to left.
by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets has fallen in love
with the curveball. Just about all he’s throwing.
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i might be the only one.
but i really am liking Kennedy in the two spot.
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by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no you're not...
I feel that is where he probably best belongs in our line-up, it had historically been one of the spots he has been best in.
by streamman on May 10, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ztalk about placeent
on that miles hit
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the grit
Let’s go, AP. End this game.
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, was the last Pujols hit with RISP back in that Cubs game?
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 on grounders make me weep El Hombre
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goddamnit
Every time we strand two or more runners, I’m going to steal $99.99 from Cardinals Care.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 that made me laugh out loud
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by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
I laughed
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
starting to get an eerie sense of foreboding
we were winning 3-0 most of the game just last night…
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's been the story of the season so far
not being able to put teams away when we have them on the ropes. our offense just folds. anything other than a Solo Homerun seems like a pipe dream (except for the duncan smash earlier)
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to look for the curve
from Sheets. We’re hitting the fastball.
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in coors a couple nights ago
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
having trouble with gameday audio? I read through this whole thread (except the extended discussion of the severity of Fielder’s vegetarianism) and still haven’t picked up a stream.
Understandable that they’re dealing with high traffic here, but this is ridiculous.
Look, I’m ridiculing it.
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
is gameday audio blacked out on saturdays too?
And the local radio affiliate is playing college baseball.
Argh.
Guess I’ll go work on the roof with a boombox and see if I can get KTRS from here.
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my gameday audio is working fine
except that I was very confused at first when I clicked on the link to last night’s game
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strange
It turns out I get KTRS pretty good on this old boombox, though.
Their signal isn’t so bad, after all.
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad it's not a nice game
I’ve been able to pick up San Antonio AM stations in Alabama before
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice=night
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel as if the next three innings are going to be
critical for the way this series pans out
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by texbird on May 10, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone getting loose in the 'pen?
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
which RH goes first?
K-mac or Springer?
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I hope TLR stays away from lefty relievers though. Milwaukee as a team murders them.
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's lost some giddyap
Fastball down in the high 80s now…
by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but great placement
still working both sides of the plate
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was all over the place there
It’s about time. Thanks for the quality start Jo-el.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springer, Franklin and/or Izzy equals a big red L for the Weejee Company
by akaitori on May 10, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer Franklin over Springer
And K-Mac over all three
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on a side note
good thing that hit was fow-el or else we could be in for some trouble
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hooo boy
This is getting interesting. Damn! We’re in a tight spot!
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by Mr Redbird on May 10, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
piniero needs to r-u-n-n-o-f-t
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here come K-Mac
Strand those runners.
Great outing by the lone survivor of planet Krypton.
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok McClellan
show ‘em what you’re made of
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
friggin crap
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy would have been lynched :D
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by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guesses on how many the Brewers push across here?
by akaitori on May 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
over/under is 1.5.
and my money’s on the under.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of the better at bats
I’ve seen by a non Cards batter all year. He earned that, however should rick not slip it would have been a moot point.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in the words of teenage girls everywhere
omg wtf
by davethebutcher on May 10, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll shut up now
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arrrrrrgh
just like charlie brown on the walk.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kmac pulled the football away again
arrrrrrrgh
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
craptastic
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
K-Mac wants to be the closer.
by liam on May 10, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
keeping it dramatic, that's all
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zgood news, this guy doesnt walk much...
bad news: Its freaking Braun
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Phew..
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 out, bases juiced, 1 run
I’ll take it
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woohoo! Good news: we are out of this inning
Bad news: we will see the “new closer”
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
we need some crazy thrower like perez to be closer
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could have been worse
but could have been better. throw strikes, young man.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
could have been much worse, but you don’t want to walk in 2 runs!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any guess as to who the closer will be ?
Villone???
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was kinda thinking that
seems like he might have the cajones
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict it will not resolve quickly. We will see several auditions.
Izzy will try to come back. Bet we won’t see anyone closing consistently until June or July.
by tom s. on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was thinking
it will be agonizing
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBC
driving everyone nuts, not just the fantasy guys
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding K-Mac
I’d rather see him walk than get beat around. Though to be fair I’ve been spoiled by him thus far and didn’t see the walks coming. He hasn’t walked hardly a thing all year.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and
should Rick not slip on that single, that force out would have been #3. Rick had a play on it should his feet stay under it.
I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang
by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brewers announcer
says that the grounder to the pitcher could have been a double play too. Of course that one was K-Mac’s fault.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
he was coming down off the mound and the ball wasn’t hard hit, now he misplayed it. But I dont know if they could have gotten two. The force at home was a guarantee however, regardless of the bobble
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
those were rookie walks
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,
AdjustedExpectations, I guess they didn’t listen about staying out of closing situations.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guess not
and I don’t have faith in the rest of our righties, and the Brew can belt lefties.
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
" i dont believe what I justr saw"
Buck on Gibsons HR?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Ozzie was Go Crazy.
Gibson was I Don’t Believe What I Just Saw because he was missing an arm.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and two bad legs, right?
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they had Perez in the bullpen today...
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heart attack at age 27 at this rate.
partly from the stress, partly from the amount of beer needed to calm me down after the games…
by davethebutcher on May 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
beer actually helps prevent heart attacks
or so i keep telling myself.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but only 2 per day, more is harmful
devil’s in the details
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
It’s 5pm, time for a Franklin.
by liam on May 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 3:00 pm in California
But i’m in college for another 2 weeks, so I have an excuse.
by davethebutcher on May 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 pm here, i'm late.
e'rebuilding mang
by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this pitcher
is goofy
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why won't fox learn
that I’d rather watch the ball games than see weather alerts on incoming t-storms and tornado watches.
If I go down, I’d rather watch some baseball. Ugh
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by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely off-topic
I was thinking on the way home from softball earlier about who the old and cranky guys are in Memphis that are giving Rasmus the blues.
I’m thinking that one of the worst offenders might be Cody Haerther, who could be imaginably bitter after getting DFA’d twice this offseason. We may have been better off leaving him in the Tigers organization.
Wonder if we could trade him to the Tigers for some middling pitching. They’ve only got 36 players on their 40-man, so they could send him down.
by liam on May 10, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm unfamiliar with the Rasmus blues.
Where did you see the story?
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, haerther is not looking likely to be called up any time soon.
We could easily make a whole new outfield from memphis w/o using him.
Say, Rasmus, Mather, Stavinoha. Might take Marti before him.
by tom s. on May 10, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my guess is the last thing the tigers want to do is trade away bullpen guys
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking more along the lines
of an A-ball pitcher.
by liam on May 10, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was toronto
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so honest, qustion:
Why is closing so hard?
Is it just tough mentally because of the pressure?
are guys trying harder to score (this can be that much of a factor?)
I just dont understand. Obviously ive never attempted it, part of me thinks it atrificially inflated as being tough.
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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is the microscope.
Especially since the closer role has become a last inning position. There is no room for error, and that will make about 95% of us have trouble crapping. It is the mental pressure. It is no more difficult to get the outs. They aren’t different hitters, typically, from the ones that middle relievers tend to face.
I would agree that from the outside it seems like it is artificially inflated, but look at how the closer by committee thing fails when employed. It is a lot like your batting order position. It is a mentality that is required. When you fail as a reliever in the 7th inning, the reporters don’t flock to you and ask “What happened? How could you fail there? Aren’t you paid for this?.”
I haven’t done it either, but that has to be the issue.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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