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Joel Pineiro             Ben Sheets

  2-2, 4.33                    4-0, 2.29 

Rumours abound that Chris Perez is on his way to help the big club, but so far, nothing confirmable.  If it is, in fact, the case, I must say I'm impressed by the alacrity with which this move was made.  I wasn't expecting such a quick response to the current 'pen woes. I hope it's true; I'm excited to see the kid get a chance at the big league level. 

Sheets has been downright nasty at times this year, but, as always, has been a little banged up.  The Cardinals seem to usually do pretty well against ol' Ben- let's hope that's the case today. 

Go Cards!

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Well.

We should know real soon if Perez is coming up unless it isn’t happening till Monday.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

That would be one of the fastest responses to a struggling closer I think I've seen.

Man it stinks to take a 3 game losing streak into a game against Ben Sheets.

by TheBirds on May 10, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Especially...

when it should have been 4 wins in 5 days instead.

by svengali on May 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I'd say

could, not should.

At the end of the day, Izzy’s woes or not, it still took a series of batters on the other team to win it. Like it or not, the Rockies earned their win. They slammed balls for triples against an out of position player.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'd say should

Izzy should of done his job and the Cards should have won 4 of their last 5

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Actually, I thought the game Franklin was in, when we won 6-5, is the game that woke up their bats.

I had a bad feeling that the Rockies were going to win the next day after coming so close.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

mixed feelings

I’m happy for Chris Perez, and hope that he is able to close well for the Cards, which means I’m also happy for the Cards to have a new closer.
On the sad side of things however, I feel bad for Izzy. He’s been a very effective closer throughout his career and has helped the Cards for quite some time. He is however apparently past his prime, which is sad considering I’m the same age as Izzy and don’t consider myself past my prime. Hearing that Edmonds has been released and that Izzy is having such major problems really makes you think about the longevity of players and how few of them know when to hang it up. I could probably write more but need to spend some time with the kids.

by sbentley on May 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Papelbon just bew two games maybe the Sox would trade for IZZy ala Gagne ???

That would be a sweet deal for us eh?

Send us over Jed Lowrie for Izzy and Reyes.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

heh

Papelbon = Izzy + Reyes? j/k

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 10, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes ...

I am joking.

I think Papelbon will be just fine…

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

but it goes to show

that even the best closers in their prime aren’t automatic, far from it.

If our defense was better and our LOB was lower, last night shouldn’t even have been a one run game to begin with, matter in fact I’d say most of the times we’ve had blown saves we should have been out of a save scenario as it was.

That doesn’t discount the lack of authority that Izzy has been having, but it shows that if you don’t want to get in a blown save situation, get some more damn runs to begin with.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree that even the best have an off day but Izzy has definetly lost a step all of the sudden.

He has blown 5 almost as many as he has saved with an ERA over 7. He is toast at the moment.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

and as you’ve seen, he feels the same. Going out on the mound feels like deadman walking

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes.

For him to come out and say he shouldn’t be closing must mean something is seriously wrong. ALthough I really respect it because that is what I said under my breath after the game last night as I ranted to my girlfirend while she blankly stared back like I do to her when she talks shoes.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

at least that last line

took the sad thoughts out of my mind for a bit anyway.

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh...

& no.

Lowrie does not equal Izzy and Reyes.

They would have to have a hole in thier heads to deal Lowrie for Izzy and Reyes and Mo one to not pull the trigger right away if they would…

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Aaron Miles is starting at third base today...

This has ugly written all over it

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

"I have a bad feeling about this" - Han Solo

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

aaaaarghaarrwwoorooarrhgh

-Chewy doesn’t like it either

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Now I can die happy

Having finally read a wookie’s cry spelled phonetically.

by effin fisk on May 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Unbelievble.

With Ryan back, and Kenedy and Izturis contributing, there is no need to ever play Miles outside of 2B (and even that is pushing it). He has neither the range nor the arm to play that position. It is absurd.

by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

is Miles .329 slugging %

the lowest ever for a 3b?

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

didnt ryan make two terrible plays at third yesterday?

I didnt get to see the game, crappy work, but I saw one on replay.

i assume thats why he isnt starting.

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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

plus if iz2 is getting a day off

I’d much rather see miles at third and ryan at short than vice-versa…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So,

Isringhausen can have a bad week before his job is relinquished; but Ryan can’t have more than a bad game? I prefer SleepyCA’s argument for why Miles is in there. I didn’t realize earlier that Glaus was hurt. I still don’t have much use for Miles, but he’s what we’ve got.

by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

if ryan plays like an allstar for most of a decade

then he’ll get more benefit of the doubt

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 10, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So, ...

does that mean Miles is an All-Star, or has some kind of proven track record of which I’m unaware? Comparing Izzy to Ryan is overstating the situation, but I can’t say that Miles deserves playing time over Ryan at any time. I also did not have an issue with Izzy being given the benefit of the doubt. I’m simply pointing out that LaRussa probably gives veterans too long of a leash and rookies too short of a leash.

by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fair enough

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 10, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Good lord...

All of the sudden we are short a 3B and a closer.

Looks like the wheels are starting to wobble.

Better get to dealing Mo or bring up some kids. Freese might not be that bad and Uncle Rico would be much better than Miles.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I'll take the chance of a defensive liability

of Miles over Rico who.. in all of his MLB at bats seemed he couldn’t catch up with a fastball over 90mph. His bat is not anywhere close to MLB level.

With all of the griping about Glaus not heating up, going to miss that smooth glove he’s had

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Glaus has been a plus plus at 3B...

I didn’t see Rico bat but I remember hearing he had a couple of big ones at the plate where he came through with a hit.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

really?

I cant recall him ever hitting when he was up with the club, and he was bad ith the glove.

though I think he has a rep for really hitting donw on the farm

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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

FOX!!!

If you’re going to block me out, you have to do better than a rerun of MA*SH* on your local affiliate

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

f

chicago-arizona

It could be worse, you could be on fire.

by themanthemyth on May 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

maybe

that storm will hurry the hell up and they will be forced to show the Cards game as the back-up.
Wait, are the Yankees or Red Sox on the game schedule for fox today too?

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

didnt a week or so ago

if I recall fox had a situation where their game was rained out and instead of picking up the other game they just showed tarps and stuff…?

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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah

We were in San Fran and looked at the tarps in the boston/yanks delay

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well obviously

the tarps in a yankees-sox game are more interesting than game action somewhere else

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fox here has yanks-tigers

no chance it goes to stl

e'rebuilding mang

by nycbirdo on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

same in california

but I’ve got radio for free.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lineups anyone???

I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!

by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

got em now, thanks.

skip
miles – 3b
albert
ankiel
dunc – oh boy, poor luddy
kennedy
molina
jo-el
ryan – ss

I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!

by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

at least Luddy's OPS won't take a hit

from having to face Sheets. hopefully Duncan can get going, but that’s a tough assignment as well…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

unfortunately

Sheets ERA won’t take a pounding from having to face Luddy’s bat

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Larussa Talking

on FOX pregame (local) saying Izzy is out of 9th for awhile, and looks like closer by committee is coming. Izzy will be pitching in “other situations”. Izzy punched a wall, could be on DL. They officially left Perez in memphis.

I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!

by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Why do full grown ML players

have to punch walls and throw things in the dugout. I have always thought that was so silly and childish.

by ridgesee on May 10, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Emotion

We ask them to play at 110% all the time.

If I cared about my job as much as I want them to, I’d probably break things when I screwed up too.

by djsmokyc on May 10, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

hell, I don't like my job

and I still punch walls

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that's why cubicles

are made from soft spongy cloth. Cuts work-related injuries by 50%.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm older than any of those guys, including Franco

and I still do it when things at work blow up in my face. It comes with being an emotional and committed person.

Thing is: I make sure to always punch a soft wall.

by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

They also reported ...

that he won’t have to be put on the DL, despite the wall punching incident.

by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

sounds like he was trying to put himself on the DL

heh. all these last few blown saves have shown that he won’t be used as often and won’t be the de facto closer

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

pitchers

stop fucking doing that. seriously no one else punches a damn wall.

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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My whole thing is...

why don’t clubs fine pitchers for this crap?

The Cards are paying Izzy $8mil to pitch not to punch. If Izzy breaks his hand, the Cards are out a lot of money for nothing.

Of course, that could’ve been a blessing in disguise. But still! Remember when Kevin Brown did this with the Yankees?

by spants on May 10, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

By definition,

this is not a reasonable moment from the individual. Do you think they are going to stop and think “Oh, I better not punch this. It could cost me money.”? A reasonable person knows that his bread is buttered with that hand. Do you think a fine will make that realization greater for the player?

by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my problem is

its always pitchers, you never see other guys do it.

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by jealousblues on May 10, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Put down the suitcase, Chris

Kilcoyne says Perez is staying in Memphis for now. Closer by committee approach for now.

by Merry CRasmus on May 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

wonder if Piñeiro is still hurting

Perez makes more sense in StL than Parisi does at this point. Though I guess room on the 40 man needs to be made for him. But still…

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on May 10, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I seriously doubt TLR can veto Mo

Plus I think that if they were going to bring Perez up, TLR is smart enough to know that it would be a GOOD thing

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, LaRussa can veto Mo

he was given certain assurances by DeWitt when he signed his new contract. I’d have to imagine that this was one of them.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that is the key phrase

you would have to imagine it is one of them. Who knows?

"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman

by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

if la russa can veto Mo

how did anthony reyes make the opening day roster?

by lboros on May 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It took alot of work to get Reyes

onto the team and it’s become pretty clear that he was only here to increase trade value.

If Perez is called up, it’s so that he can be part of the big league team.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

it was still done over tony's objections

tony has a lot of influence, but “veto power” is way overstating it

by lboros on May 10, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs