Not With a Bang, But a Whimper.
Last year, just before Valentine's day, my paternal grandmother passed away. Her heart finally gave out on her late on a Sunday evening. She had been in the hospital, attempting to recover from a triple bypass; she had had a stint placed the year before, and it wasn't doing it anymore, and finally, it all just gave up.
My father was pretty broken up about it; it was the first parent he had lost. What surprised me wasn't seeing my own father, one of the more stoic, unemotional people I've ever known in my life, just fall apart; I was far more surprised by how much it hurt me. Don't get me wrong; I loved the woman. But it was very much that species of love you feel for a family member 'just because'. We had never been all that close. In fact, I've never related all that well to my father's side of the family in general. I always took more after my mother's side.
I'm not much of an outdoorsman, and fishing is just something I've never been able to generate any sort of interest in. I like fish, but actually trying to catch them seems too much like just waiting for nothing to me. I can't stand to kill an animal, so I've never gone hunting or any of those sorts of wholesome, manly activities either. My father's family consists almost entirely of rugged, salt of the earth types from out in the backwoods of Missouri. I don't say that in any sort of denigrating way; I just don't relate to them all that well.
But when my grandmother died, I found myself far more broken up about it than I ever expected to be. When it came right down to it, it had just never seemed to me like either one of my father's parents would ever die. My mother's side of the family, the one that I've always been closer to, has never been a healthy bunch of people. Heart disease, diabetes, alcoholism, bipolar disorder, you name it, that bunch of people seem to have a history of it. I had grown used to the knowledge that there was mortality in these people; I know perfectly well that nothing lasts forever.
But my dad's parents, on the other hand, had never been sick in their lives. After my grandfather retired, they traveled extensively, spending very little time anywhere near home. They even bought a doublewide down in Florida that they would go and stay at January through April. It just felt as if they would always be there; that none of the infirmities and ravages of age would ever really touch them. Even when my grandmother was diagnosed as diabetic, it was very mild. The only noticeable change was the pitcher of unsweetened iced tea always present at family gatherings after that.
And then, one day, she was gone. I had somehow never even thought of her as being all that old; she and my grandfather had gone down to Montauk State Park just a few months before, at the close of fishing season, and had brought back bag after bag of cleaned, beautiful trout. Like I said, I can't stand to kill an animal, but I am generally willing to eat them, at least the tasty ones, and trout are right near the top of that list.
So even as I sat at her funeral, waiting to perform my duty as pallbearer, I realised, at least a little bit, that what I felt wasn't just sorrow for the woman who was now gone; it was a little bit for myself as well. It may sound selfish, but grief usually is. We don't feel bad because someone we love has finally escaped from their pain and sickness; we weep because we've lost them. I had never thought of these people as being mortal. Trust me, I was plenty old enough to understand that everything, everyone, and everywhere will have an end, and yet it just never seemed to apply to certain parts of life. I grieved, not only for a woman that I had known, but never as well as I should have, but for my own new wisdom.
I tell you all of this not to depress you, or to invite sympathy, or anything like that. I tell you all of this because I felt, in some small way, a very similar emotion last night as I watched Jason Isringhausen's postgame comments. If you didn't see the show, here's a little bit of what you missed:
"I'm just getting sick of embarrassing myself and letting my team down."
"It's just time for [La Russa and Duncan] to figure out- we should have five more games in the win column, in my mind. So we should be out there in first place even more. They can't keep sending me out there when I'm pitching the way I'm pitching. We're going to have to figure out some kind of remedy. I'm sure that remedy will give me some time off from that role and we'll somebody in who can do a better job right now."
"I'm leading the league in saves and blown saves with an ERA of seven. (7.47) It's not a whole lot of fun, especially when you let down 25 other guys day in and day out. It's the end of it."
Now, if you can't feel something for a man standing in front of the cameras, naked pain on his face, eviscerating himself so thoroughly, then you obviously don't have much in the way of compassion. I saw those comments last night, and I watched them again this morning, and what I felt was a sense of sorrow, of loss, that seemed completely out of place in the context of a sporting event, regardless of outcome. It wasn't the loss; it was the knowledge that this may very well be the end for Jason Isringhausen.
Izzy has long been described by many, myself included, as a warrior. Last night, he seemed almost to be following the Bushido code to me, falling on his own sword rather than dishonour himself, or his team, any further, by going out and continuing to pitch. He gave La Russa more than enough in those comments to justify relieving him of closer duties, and he did it because he didn't want to hurt the team any more.
I'm sure there are some who will still rant and scream at Izzy, but I have neither the stomach, nor the heart, for the task. There are some, I'm sure, who will point to his salary, and say he has 8 million reason not to feel bad, but I don't buy it. Ballplayers are paid very well for their services, yes, but that doesn't mean they aren't human. It doesn't mean they stop feeling all the same things the rest of us feel. They simply feel all the same things in a different tax bracket. This is a man, a man of tremendous pride and confidence, staring into his mortality, forced to consider that he may, in fact, simply no longer be good enough. In the end, time gets us all, even when we think it never will.
As I said above, there was a point to all of my earlier maudling. I've never been a huge fan of Isringhausen. I've never booed him, simply because I'm not really the sort. There's only one Cardinal player I've ever actually booed, and it had almost nothing to do with his performance on the field. Still, though, of all the Cardinals who contributed to this decade's run, I've never loved Izzy like some of the other players. I loved Jimmy Edmonds, with his dives, (sometimes justified, sometimes not) his blond tips, his ridiculous batting stance, his annual spring training leg injuries. I love Albert, because I've never seen a player do the things he does before. I loved Daryl Kile, because he seemed almost too decent to be true. I love, but will never quite forgive, Rick Ankiel. I loved Matt Morris; his duels in the 2001 Division Series are still some of the most memorable games I've ever experienced. I even love Chris Carpenter. Hell, who doesn't love the T-1000?
But Izzy never really did it for me. I've always respected his contributions, but also always felt, like many others do, that he put way too many men on base, he walks the bases full, always has to make it more interesting than it should be, yadda yadda yadda.
But now, having seen Izzy prepared to step down, out of the role that he's filled for so long, it seems like the end has finally come. Not just for Izzy; this may or may not be the end for him. I have no way of knowing. But for the Cardinal team that gave us all so much joy for the better part of this decade, this is definitely the end.
How ironic, or perhaps it's just fitting, is it that on the same day, Jason Isringhausen falls on his sword for his team and his manager, and Jim Edmonds is released? We tend to look at Albert as the big gun of the 2000 era Cardinals' success, but the arrival of Jim Edmonds and Daryl Kile really ushered in the era. Kile, of course, has been gone for too many years now, but Edmonds was still around, still flopping in the outfield. Now his career may be over. Even if another team does pick him up, it's going to be strictly in a part time, defensive sort of role. Personally, I would be a bit surprised if he even gets a contract.
Earlier this month, we saw Matt Morris come to the end of his road. The Pittsburgh Pirates, officially cutting ties with the Dave Littlefield era, released Matty Mo; he shortly thereafter announced his retirement. Another warrior done before his time; another reminder that all things must end.
Mike Matheny finally fell victim to one too many foul balls off the mask and retired two years ago now. He made the decision, or perhaps it was more made for him, that being able to live without a permanent fog, or even just live at all, was more valuable than continuing to play. He made the right decision, of course. Still, strange to see him gone from the game.
Houston had no use for Woody Williams this spring; Woody too received his walking papers. One of the best stories you'll ever hear in sports, the ex shortstop made good on the mound, Woody appears to be retired. I don't know if he's formally announced it, but then again, I'm not sure he has to. No grand exit for Woody, either. Just a slow fade, the days piling up until there are just too many to lift.
One by one, all of our heroes have fallen; time gets us all in the end. And now Izzy. He was never my favourite, never the player whose jersey I proudly sported. But I never really expected him to go anywhere. It somehow seemed to me that he would just close games for the Cardinals forever. He would always put too many men on. We would always complain. But he would also get the job done, night after night, until the end of time. He never really seemed to age, just wear down from time to time and have to go into the shop to get fixed. To see him as he was last night, announcing to the world that a change needed to be made, hurt me in a way I was not expecting. He was never my favourite, but he was always there just the same.
And so it seems, to me at least, that we stand now at the true end of an era. I've said that before, but it was always just lip service. Now it seems real. Watching the postgame show last night, I found myself looking back, and thinking of that team. That team is gone now, and I'm surprised by how much I miss it. Izzy was the last man left standing; the last on his feet and fighting. You'll forgive me, I hope, if I can't feel any real joy, or even relief, that he's finally fallen.
We all look to the future, of course. We all wait to see which way the wind will blow for this team, and this bullpen. I hope, though, that as we all turn our faces forward, you'll join me in one last little look back. It may have been just a baseball team, but it was our baseball team. It was my baseball team. The story, though, is over, and it's time to say goodbye.
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This is an awesome post, red.
Thanks.
by Archaeopteryx on May 10, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
....

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 8:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eloquently said
I don’t know what’s wrong with Izzy. Apparently, neither does he. I’m sure Duncan and LaRussa will figure it out.
But this isn’t the end of the Cardinals. Players come and go. It’s sad, but it’s part of life. New pitchers will come up, and someone will take the closers role, even if it’s only temporary until Izzy figures out what’s wrong. Or doesn’t, and then he retires.
The King is dead, Long live the King.
by O'Fallon Park on May 10, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as good as any ever on this site
well done TRB.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I made my (sports-appreciating-but-anything-but-blog-reading) wife come and read. It has been a time of lots of transition and a lot of players that have defined the cardinals are fading into history now. It’s hard to see. It is in some way refreshing though to see that izzy is not above the frustration that so many others are feeling.
by ribbij on May 10, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...
and that is saying something with all the great posts there has been over the last couple years…
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on May 10, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must admitt
That last night I was about as mad as I have ever been at any Cardinal player. Once I read his quotes my heart sank. It seams that he has lost his fire, and that may be a bigger problem to over come.
by nybirdfan on May 10, 2008 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have a link to the video?
mattnj
by mattnj on May 10, 2008 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't let the door....
Granted you have to like a guy that cares but he’s been an albatross on this franchise long enough once again heading towards leading the NL in blown saves (as in 2006) unless a change is made.
At some point you have to hold players accountable for their performance on the field and try something new when it’s not working (like larussa finally benching rolen in the 2006 playoffs as he was about to begin another one of his patented september/october fades) and it’s izzy’s time to leave.
I want players on this team that want to be here (izzy certainly qualifies; rolen did not) and actually put the team in situations where they have the absolute best chances of winning (izzy certainly does not qualify).
This team won a world series without izzy, I don’t see the burning need to keep him around especially since the team has young power arms wasting away in AAA that could get a shot in the closing spot.
Young, rookie arms have worked well in the past with this franchise in the closers role in big situations (todd worrell, wainwright) and with other teams in this league (papelbon and jenks most recently) why not give it a whirl? We are also supposed to be in pseudo-rebuild mold, let’s see if any of these kids can take this job and not give it up. They couldn’t do any worse than the current product.
It’s sad that izzy is sad about being a crappy pitcher but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a crappy pitcher that’s hurting my favorite team’s chances of winning. Hey I’m sad, too, that I have to (and izzy’s teammates have to) continually watch their team win a game for 8 innings only to lose it thanks to one person that’s obviously not very good.
It’s time to move on. I’m hoping as a fan that I’m never subjected to watching him pitch again. I’ve had enough, and apparently so has izzy himself.
by yargs on May 10, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well written...
but jeez. it’s just a game. Isringhausen has had a longer career in the big leagues than most. He’s made a ton of dough. He’s been one of the lucky ones in that he’s survived a major career-threatening surgery. He’s easily the most successful of the NY Mets three “young guns” who flamed out. I don’t feel THAT sorry for him.
"If I ain't startin' I ain't departin'"
by templetown on May 10, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I appreciate the beauty of the sentiment, but nothing gold can stay Ponyboy. Sunrise, sunset. I think I was actually more upset by Jimmy Baseball’s being released than reading Izzy’s postgame comments.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's strange is
the decline of Edmonds and Izzy happened so quick. It’s like they woke up one morning and aged 5 years.
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on May 10, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you could throw matt morris in there too
I thought he’d still be effectively pitching at least 2 more years
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best post
I’ve ever read on VEB. Well done!
"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."
by MilCardFan on May 10, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I would love to see Izzy take on mentoring the young arms, and I would love to see Edmonds back as a coach. It might be perceived as a hokey ploy, but the game balls he gave out during the ‘06 playoff run built team cohesion, and I believe played a huge part in winning the WS. We can always use leaders like Izzy and Edmonds in the organization.
by gocards62 on May 10, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy yes, Edmonds no
I would love for the team to keep Isringhausen around all season to mentor the bullpen, as he did with Wainwright. He is a natural for the role.
Edmonds, on the other hand, doesn’t seem like a fit for this ballclub with TLR still at the helm. Not that he has an Ozzie-sized gripe with the man, but La Russa frequently made him a target of his needling through the press, notably when he was going after his last contract. I would think the relationship might be a little strained. But I could be wrong.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 10, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo
After how upset I was last night, reading your post eased me a bit. Excellent post, and a very good way to look at the end of a fantastic era in Cards history.
Thanks!
by joecardsfan on May 10, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we still have Pujols at least
the era isn’t quite over yet
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols is
in an era all unto himself
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey there, Mr. Red,
I enjoyed reading that post. I don’t know what to make of Izzy right now, except he needs to be moved out of the closer’s role. Whether he’s hurt, aged out, or mentally not where he needs to be, he gave management his permision, I should say he has actually requested they do what they need to do-which is remove him.
Thanks for reminding everyone that ballplayers are human. I think we all forget that. Sure, they make a lot of money. All that means is that money is not one their problems.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
it is heartbreaking to see him be a broken man but the Cardinals need to press on with the tough decisions.
Perez better be on a plane from Las Vegas to Milwaukee as we speak.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we give the job to Perez
we better be prepared to live with his ups and downs too. I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but he does have that same problem of walking batters…
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on May 10, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Closers work in the most pressure-packed situations, and any mistakes are extremely amplified. Chris Perez, Jason Motte, or Mark Worrell will not come in and convert 100% of their situations. They will put batters on base that don’t belong there, in a perfect world. The question is, can they convert a significant majority of the time.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but if they struggle
it will actually be for the benefit of something. Isringhausen going out there an blowing saves is frustrating because he’s not part of the longterm goals of this team. If Perez is out there blowing saves, we can somewhat bite our tongues because he is learning to be our closer of the future.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
My point was that closers are the most entertaining and frustrating members of a bullpen. It is easy to romanticize prospects, as we have seen with Duncan, Ankiel, hell Jim Lindeman. The point I thought rockin the red was making, and the point to which I was agreeing, was that we should have realistic expectations of these guys.
I am all for the youth movement. It is more exciting to watch a young guy figuring it out at the major league level versus watching a veteran that is losing what he once had. I think there will be those that agree with you about the frustration point, but I am also very convinced that that sentiment will last all of about a month. If the Cards were not in contention, then maybe that would extend to half a year. The problem is that they currently ARE in contention. I don’t think they have the horses to stay a full season; but that is merely subjective, as the evidence says they’re here now. Watching as games are given away in the late innings is frustrating, regardless of the pitcher that is doing it.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fact is
they can’t afford to give away those games if they want to compete this season. cubs, brewers, hell, maybe even the ‘stros are all around our same level of competitiveness
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those damn Astros......
You can’t easily count them out…...they have the best 3-4-5 batters in the NL Cental, IMO. And Berkman looks like he’s on his way to a career year….....they really can overcome some bad pitching-much like the Phillies were able to do last season.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, RB
You’ve put into words exactly how I felt watching Izzy make those comments last night. I have to admit to a sense of relief, as it is so obvious that something needs to be done-but to see Izzy himself give up the ghost like that, well, it WAS an emotional moment. Yes, the players need to be held accountable. Yes, the team has to move on as all teams do. Yes, Izzy has been well compensated financially for his services. But as you say, he is human. Watching the old warhorse admit he’s done, probably the hardest thing he’s ever had to do, left me sad and nostalgic too. Maybe a team is just laundry and stats to some, but I’ve always felt an emotional attachment to our boys-especially when they have periods of trial and tribulation. I’ve been a Birdfan for 40+ years, and seen a whole bunch of guys come and go. But I always feel sad for the older players when their time in the sun is gone. Always have, always will. Thanks for that great post.
by rockin redbird on May 10, 2008 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Gotta respect Izzy for those words
n/t
by sdrone on May 10, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great. great.
post. man.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on May 10, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good post
I too feel a bit sad that so many of the Cards former greats are all coming to the end. That being said I think Izzy gave TLR the opening he needs to make a change. They should DL Izzy for now (I’m sure they can find a reason), install McClellan as closer and bring up Perez to take McClellan’s place. It’s high time those power arms on the farm started getting big league hitters out.
by indakind on May 10, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe too Maudlin
Okay, okay—he’s out as the closer. At least for now.
But is he really gonna be out entirely? I mean, this is a guy who can still get outs. And there is that contract of his to consider.
My prediction, closer by committee. Izzy will be one of the committee. He’s just not going to get the latitude and confidence that a closer gets,i.e., we’re not going to let him be the one who’s closing the games anymore.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on May 10, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post, but I don't think it's over, simply time for a break
I feel he’ll be back, and I’ll welcome it when he’s ready. When he’s throwing well he’s still a top 10 closer. He’s not Papelbon or Rivera but I’d take him over quite a few other guys out there. Gameday had him hitting 93 with his fastball last night so it doesn’t look like he’s completely done without a chance. There’s definitely a mental/mechanical issue going on right now.
I’m hoping for a couple of week trip to the DL for some random ailment to allow him a break and a rehab assignment to work on his stuff in a situation that won’t cost the team W’s.
by birdo rojo on May 10, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely right
The original post by the Baron was very well done. Great job.
But, Izzy isn’t retiring, folks. And LaRussa and Duncan aren’t putting him out to pasture. You can bet on that. Will he get a break from the closer’s role? Probably. He definitely should, especially since he seems to want it. Granted, a lot could have changed since the immediate aftermath of last night’s debacle. He may have awakened today, a few more hours removed from defeat, and thought that quitting isn’t the right way to go. Who knows?
But whatever Izzy said last night, you can bet that we’ll see him throwing for the Cards again—and soon.
Don’t start writing Izzy’s pitching eulogy just yet.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on May 10, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy threw 13 pitches yesterday
and not one was a curve. I wonder why. All fastballs and cutters. If your cutter’s not cutting, and you’re not blowing anyone away w/ the fastball, why not throw a curve? Not one!
by chuckb on May 10, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is gonna work, damn it!!
LaRussa has the same mentality, kept ramming your head against the wall until it falls down.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy said something to the effect of;
My curveball is an out pitch, I can’t throw it for strikes, so if I’m behind in the count, I can’t throw it.
Not a direct quote, but I think thats the sum of what he said. Not that it makes any real sense to me.
by fuegophil on May 10, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
I was afraid to read VEB this morning but this is very reassuring.
I’ll admit.. i was enraged at Izzy until I saw the postgame. Empathy kicked in and I felt bad for the guy.
It’s hard to bounce back from a loss like that. I’d be stunned if the Cards won today.
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by stltrav09 on May 10, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
Sometimes it’s actually a boost to a team when a member does what Izzy did after the game last night. Especially when it’s a team leader who’s struggling and admits his failings, the team will often respond by kicking it up a notch and rallying together. Our problem is that when some of our inexperienced players-whom we rely on heavily-try to kick it up a notch, they end up trying to do too much. The results, in that case, are not pretty.
Today’s game will be very interesting. It will tell us a lot about not only the character but also the ability of this team to reach back for a little something extra.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on May 10, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope x 2
I do think that the best thing is for him to take a couple weeks off and come back, how many days was he off before the Sunday night Cubs close? He had the fire then, perhaps it was the situation, but I hope he can find it again. In the meantime, I think Villone might be the best bet, because you know they are not going to bring up anyone from Triple A.
The bad thing about this is Milwaukee is now energized, and can’t wait to get to the ballpark today. They were down and out by losing 6 in a row and they now have hope. What seemed to me to be a sure series win for the Cardinals, can shape up to be the same for the Brewers. Yes, it is only one game, but I hope that Izzy didn’t light the fuse for them this season.
by dralexp on May 10, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy
He is one of my favorite Cardinals. he is a standup guy and takes the blame when it’s his. He takes the ball and does his best. Most are forgetting this man has had major injuries. The hip problem alone would have ended many a careers. It did Bo Jacksons. This may be the end for izzy, but i wouldnt count on it!
"Today is the day now is the time"- Billy Graham
by clemente21 on May 10, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Equating Izzy to Jed doesn't look quite correct to me.
In Edmonds you have a guy whose body was simply breaking down, for the last several years, and he knew it. He was trying to eke out one last year so that he could go out on his own terms - “orchestrate my own exodus” was the phrase that Lou Brock used at the same point in his career (and he managed to do it) - but his body just wouldn’t let him. That’s a fate anyone over the age of about 25 can relate to, and if you’re 26 and dispute that, go try to do some gymnastics or figure skating or competitive swimming for a year solid and get back to me.
With Izzy, I don’t think anyone knows what is wrong. I agree with rojo: a guy who can go out there and pump 93-octane gas is not simply being betrayed by a terminally broken-down body—unless, maybe, there’s something about that body that is keeping him from throwing effective cutters and off-speed stuff. I am insufficiently knowledgeable about the mechanics of pitching to know what that particular something might be, but it’s time for the team to start looking. Is there a pitching doctor in the house? If not, where do we find one?
by StanTheManFan on May 10, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Red Baron.
This was an excellent, emotional piece. I can relate more than I will go into to your personal story, though I tend to lean to the other side of the family. Whether anyone thinks that was going too far about a baseball player, or not, thank you for sharing that with us. That is writing.
I was particularly interested in your point about how some would see his salary as a way to cushion the blow of his failures. I think that would be a disingenious view of the situation. Any individual of integrity, as I believe Isringhausen is, would feel much worse about failing when receiving such a salary.
I have never been enamored with Isringhausen (for all of the reasons you stated), but his results have been unmistakeable. When Isringhausen has been truly bad, it has always coincided with some significant, unreported injury. There is still a part of me that wonders if he is hurting, right now.
He has always impressed me with his sincerity, honesty, and cool-headedness when dealing with his teammates and the media. He has never been one to make excuses, but he has always portrayed confidence in his abilities. I think that is what makes his demeanor on the mound yesterday and his comments afterward so disconcerting to all of us. Both seemed to indicate that he doesn’t believe he can right the ship. He seems to be frustrated over why it isn’t working. I hope Marty Mason can identify something mechanically that is causing his issues, or that maybe just some time off will clear his head. If not, I think your point has been poignant. I think we would be remiss to not take a moment to reflect on what has been an era of some terrific players proudly displaying the Birds On the Bat. Then, we can turn the page and look to what is hopefully the start of a great new era.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy swears he's not hurt this time.
See the main article at www.stltoday.com/cards.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on May 10, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, I believe him.
As I said, he has shown to be a man of integrity; so I believe he is really not injured.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
But that actually makes his ineffectiveness even more frustrating—for him and us.
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on May 10, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, that leaves ...
confidence, age, or mechanics. Two of the three may be resolved. Age can’t be reversed.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Izzy said he didn't tell anyone
when he was hurt…so what are we to believe? I’m not saying he’s a bad person or of low personal integrity…I don’t believe that. What I am saying is that these guys have grown up in a culture where it’s not OK to say that you are hurt. Maybe he can’t feel pain….that doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem somewhere in his hip/spine/arm etc.
He says his mechanics are to blame. How long has he been pitching? Usually at his age if the mechanics go, its because he has a problem somewhere in his body? Did he just forget how to pitch? I doubt it. His velocity is down and his cutter doesn’t move. Very reminiscent of ‘06.
He is lights out when he is healthy…...e.g. Last year
mattnj
by mattnj on May 10, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doing what he did last night is way, way harder
than just saying “i’m hurt”
CUTTER BAD!! NO CUTTER!
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between conjecture and statement, ...
you have to believe the statement. We can all choose to assume what the problem might be. His past has not indicated that he NEVER told them he was hurt. He indicated that his hip was an issue when it became painfully obvious to him that he could no longer do his job. His comments clearly indicate that he believes he has reached that point this year, and then he says that it is NOT an injury issue.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
I hate that Izzy blew it again, but you have to admire the willingness to not only accept the blame, but also admit that he doesn’t understand what’s going on.
One of the things that used to drive me nuts about Jason Marquis was that he always, even after another multi-run short inning outing, just had to make a “minor adjustment’, or needed to throw another pitch less or more.
I respect a guy that can say, hey, somethings seriously not right, and I can’t see what it is.
BTW, this is how I felt when the Cardinals began deconstructing the Whiteyball team after the 87 season. Can’t remember the exact sequenecs that lost us Clark, McGee, and Pendleton, but I do remember laying on my bed crying and cursing Dal Maxville when they got rid of Clark. I was seven, and having just seen him hit a walkoff hr in extra innings the previous summer, he was my favorite ballplayer at the time.
by fuegophil on May 10, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was worse.
That team was dismantled for financial reasons. I remember waiting out the ‘90 season to watch Coleman, McGee, and Pendleton leave in one way or another. It was made extremely clear during that season that none of them would be resigned. These were not players that couldn’t do it any more. McGee won the batting title that year AFTER being traded to the American League for better than the last month of the season. Pendleton went on to be a major component of the Braves’ run. Coleman didn’t fair as well, but you can’t send a guy with a Coke problem to New York City.
At least this time, it is an issue of players reaching the end of the road.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
Perfect contrast to make in this situation. That’s my main thought as well, and I stated it on other forums under different names. Man, I could hardly stomach Marquis. Partly because he would get rocked fairly often, but mostly because you could be assured that in the postgame comments he would be delusional. Remember after getting shelled by the Astros in the playoffs? You’d think he pitched fairly well and let one or 2 pitches get away from him if you listened to him. Of course he also sulked when he was left off the playoff roster. And now in the spring for the Cubs, he suggested they trade him when he figured out he’d have to compete for a rotation spot. Now there is a guy that doesn’t know his place in the world. Kip Wells and his passive aggressive pissing and moaning about just missing his innings bonus after months of passive aggressive pitching really got me going too.
Izzy does none of that. He made what is a very sticky situation for Tony, whether we want to admit it or not, a hell of a lot easier. He knows he doesn’t have it right now and says so. Left implied is that he may never have it again. What more can the guy say? I’m sure he’d rather not say it but he does. The only reason he would is because he knows it’s better for the team. I think you gotta respect a guy that will do that out of loyalty to the guys he works with out of the pen.
Great points by Red Baron too. He deserves decent treatment from the fans. This happens to every ballplayer eventually. And the “He makes millions and I paid for a ticket” line of thinking doesn’t wash with me. Strikes me as a form of class envy that isn’t productive for anyone. The line that has become so cliche – “He feels worse than anybody” – clearly applies here.
by Merry CRasmus on May 10, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone seems to forget
that Izzy is still the closer until TLR says that he ain’t. That would mean that TLR would have to admit that he made a mistake in continuing to send Izzy to close the last several weeks when he obviously had nothing on his pitches. TLR will never admit a mistake. I see Izzy losing more ballgames in the closer role. I’d almost be willing to bet the farm.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on May 10, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like every other attorney I know....
TLR follows fashion, never being able to admit a mistake. It must be something they learn in lawschool.
mattnj
by mattnj on May 10, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has already admitted that mistake
look at the article about Springer. TLR admits that he should have used Springer instead of Izzy vs Colorado.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I disagree.
I am no apologist for Mr. LaRussa or Mr. Duncan. That said, your premise is wrong. Isringhausen showed signs of still being able to get the job done, and it is not a pleasant thought to go through the season with the closer role in flux. I think a leader is required to walk the fine line of maintaining faith in his team members, while trying to identify what is best for the team.
This is the issue that got Jimy Williams chased out of Boston. They are paid to identify that tipping point without ruining an asset. Williams probably missed the transition point with Martinez that year. I think that it is early enough in the season, that I was more than willing to give Isringhausen, and LaRussa, some line to run with. Isringhausen’s mound presence and comments after the game make it extremely clear that the time has come for him to at least recharge mentally in a lower pressure role. I think Mr. LaRussa will respect the player and the team’s wishes, and demote him to a mop up role for a while.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that he leads the league in both
save and blown saves says it all. I think he’s being sent out there too much… he doesn’t have the stamina any more
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
he is being overused. That will happen with a team that has trouble putting the opposition away. There is no way that the game last night should have ever been in close to a save situation. You can’t really blame Tony for using him so much though. You have to try to win the game. That is why I have thought that they needed to bring up Perez or Motte up sooner. They have some closer experience, they could at least give Izzy a break when it is needed.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
every team needs a closer
especially a team like our team that isn’t following through on all those RISP. and very few closers can go out there 4,5, 6 times a week and be a weapon
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
one of the best posts i’ve read here at el birdos, and that’s definitely saying something. the closer is one of the most unappreciated roles in baseball, and izzy’s blowns have always seemed to dwarf his terrific number of saves.
it’s graduation day for me, and i’ll definitely be having a drink tonight for izzy. but let’s not give up on him just yet.
by gashousegangup on May 10, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody think that he just wore out his welcome with the Central League Teams???
The Central has seen him for so long maybe they know what is coming. He needs to make an adjustment or come up with a new pitch.
The Brewers definetly have his number this year.
If he is not hurt then he needs to adjust to the league catching up with him. I think he can do it but maybe he should do it on the D.L. and not blow anymore games.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nah, he was just pitching bad.
It’s not like they were pounding him on good pitches…he just isn’t throwing well.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on May 10, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
. ” I’ve never been a huge fan of Isringhausen. I’ve never booed him, simply because I’m not really the sort.”
That statement kinda’ summed up my feelings for Isringhausen also. All of my family are gone except me and an older sister who is in a nursing home now with at best, months. Being the youngest, I was the only one with stamina so I was called upon often when the burdens of dying arose. so I know how it is to witness things come to an end.
With Izzy there have been a lot of warning signs, kinda like a slow death. It was sad watching that 9th inning last night. Luck got him 2 outs, but skill couldn’t get the last one.
After some time off, I would not mind seeing him try to come back in the bullpen in some other role other than closer (even some spot closing)...Isringhausen is dying, but for now, I am not going to pronounce him dead.
by ridgesee on May 10, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Central has him pegged..
If his velocity is good and he isn’t injured someones got a book on him out there and he needs to adjust.
It’s not mental but it may get to that point . He is to tough mentally.
Switching out your bullpen every few years is a good idea because it keeps your divison foes on thier toes…
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the postgame...
...we get the games on cable in Jonesboro, Arkansas, but can’t get the pre-game and post-game stuff because the local cable company is forced to carry FSN Southwest; but I read Izzy’s quotes this morning.
Last night, I saw a guy “pressing”... Izzy’s frustration was evident. I don’t think he’s “done”; I do think he needs to re-gain command of his cutter, which has become a vital part of his arsenal.
Every ballplayer fails; it’s the nature of the game. When closers fail, their team loses, making their failures more glaring. I believe Izzy can and will correct his mechanics and regain his closer’s role.
As for the moment, I suspect Russ Springer’s role on the club may have just gotten a boost in responsibility… we’ll see.
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 10, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that cutter just isn't working
guys’ll lay off the fastball, and just wait for it. Maybe he can try and get command of that knuckle curve again, or learn a splitter or something. But yeah, adjustments need to be made.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A question about the June draft.......
My son has recently had the pleasure of seeing the Upton brothers play for their respective teams…..Is there another Upton brother to be had in the draft? If not, can we ask the Upton’s parents to make another son…....(okay, now that’s meant to be a joke) but #1 son swears he has never seen any players that good, that young….
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR has 8 million reasons
to keep Izzy in the closer spot. It shoudn’t be that way, the guy best suited on the 40 man roster should be closing. But anyone that is actually paying attention knows what I am talking about. I just do not see TLR taking Izzy out of this role, blown saves be damned.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on May 10, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
That was a well written very eloquint post. It is sad to see a player breakdown and underperform after years of service. Its almost like looking at yourself aging when a player stay with a team so long and you look back and say damn I was X years old when he started am I declining that much in X years.
With that being said it is time to look at other options. I am in sales and it is a perform or go business also if your good your close ratio is about .300 much like a good batter. So I might be a liitle more callous than most about this.
Over the past four weeks Izzy has blown four saves. One a week and three of those came to divisional foes. Not good. When you have a young team playing thier ass off for a spot on the field and the manager keeps rolling out someone who’s continually failing it must be a little demoralizing.
8 million be damned. I have never been a proponent of just because your paying a player alot of money you need to roll him out there when he’s not getting it done. It’s time to start looking at other options, (closer by committee, bringing someone up or a trade). A young teams psychy can be crushed with continued defeats like this.
by poohrat on May 10, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a great post, red baron.
There really isn’t anything that I could say that would add to it.
by cardsgirl95 on May 10, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Relievers can't practice outside of games
I think a big part of the problem is the cutter/curve just aren’t working and he doesn’t have anywhere to work on them other than in the game. It’s not like he can have a 50+ pitch bullpen session to work on them – if he did, he wouldn’t be available for the next 5 games. It’s not like he’s a hitter in a slump who can go spend an hour in the cage before a few games or take some extra fielding practice.
Let’s let him get a chance to work on these things in a situation that isn’t a 1 run game with the 3-4-5 hitters in the bottom of the 9th up before we write him off entirely.
by birdo rojo on May 10, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you, Sir !!
mr Red Baron, i like this post very very much! thank you!
sometimes Izzy was one of my favourites, in other times i could not appreciate his performance. back in 2006 i couldn’t even understand why TLR had so much patience with him, now I understand.
and for me this “end” shows two things:
-first: Izzy really is a warrior and i wish him all the best. thanks Izzy and hope he somewhere in the future will become a (pitching?) coach with the Cardinals. his words of last night make me respect him even more.
- second: the respect of TLR for his players; i don’t approve what is called his “preference for veteran players”, but i appreciate his respect for players like Izzy.
a warm welcome to our new closer. go Cardinals!
Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008
by Johnny64 on May 10, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
Maybe a bit melodramatic for the moment but I can appreciate that. Sometimes baseball players feel like family members. Right or wrong its a fact of our entertainment culture.
By the way,I loved the T.S. Eliot quote in the title; very appropriate.
by ZiggyG on May 10, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
I lacked access to the post game conference last night so I didn’t see Izzy’s comments until this morning. After checking out the written reports this morning, I could almost feel the emotions that Izzy probably showed last night.
Izzy may be done for the closer role but he will continue to contribute to the organization with his mentoring and taking his turn protecting leads. I believe we heard him say last night that he was realizing his dream of reaching 300 career saves was gone.
by ubeddie on May 10, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although he won't be closing....
it appears Chris Perez has been called up. Which would mean that someone has been moved off the 40 man to make room for him.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i shouldn't say for sure he won't be closing, i just don't see TLR throwing him into the fire right away
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on May 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll probably get roasted...
for saying this, but this blog is at its best when it conducts lean and mean analysis of actual events on the field and moves by the front office. These melodramatic, excessively verbose posts seem to be coming with increasing frequency. This type of post should be left to when a guy on the 40-man dies, or we lose a game seven, or when Pujols’ elbow finally blows out. Just my opinion…
by guayzimi on May 10, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
-1
I’m more of a numbers guy than a touchy-feely guy, and I enjoy the careful analysis that we usually see. But. RB wrote a strong, empathetic reaction to the pain that Izzy felt at being a liability rather than an asset to the team.
Izzy’s candor deserves recognition, and none of us should overlook how hard it must be to admit that he should give up the job that defined him.
by madridbend on May 10, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed mb
Kudos to Izzy for doing the right thing and admitting that a change was needed. We know Tony would have most likely kept running him out there like he did with Ray King back in ‘05…only that team was able to spare a half-dozen losses or so…
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
by iron duke75 on May 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on May 10, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I see what you mean.
I would never equate seeing a baseball player becoming ineffective after a long, successful, lucrative career to a family member’s death. But some people are very emotionally attached to baseball teams and players. Perhaps it’s because it’s easier to process those feelings than the complicated feelings we have for family. If you can cry at a sad movie why not baseball?
I think emotional posts are going to be more frequent when so many vets of a golden cardinals era are disappearing.
"If I ain't startin' I ain't departin'"
by templetown on May 10, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To each their own
People write what’s on their mind, and analyze things in the way that suits them. RB clearly cared about what he was writing, and put together an intelligent, informed and coherent piece. If you think it’s sappy and melodramatic, write your own diary or get your own blog, and skip this particular piece. By now, you now the tendencies of the particular writers.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just know that Red Baron almost always writes from his personal perspective. And he is quite good at it, I might add.
Baseball often is emotional for him and I think it’s absolutely wonderful that he opens himself up to the readers that way. I never miss one of his posts. And I have no problem with him, in fact, I enjoy it. It’s a unique perspective, and I’m glad I get it for free….
Tom Hanks got it wrong….there is crying in baseball-at least for some of us that tangle it up with our personal life-which I do, too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on May 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I remember getting a lot of pushback like this whenever I wrote a personal type of piece, and it always annoyed me.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, of course,
this article is better than anything that I’ve ever written online
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that is why baseball is what baseball is
it is supposed to be emotional. It didn’t get to be the National Pastime for nothing. Things like great comebacks, close losses, players slumps, and hotties in the stands are what make it what it is
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
This blog is great because of the difference in personalities. There are many times during the year that in depth analysis of the X’s and O’s of baseball will be discussed, definitely more often than not.
However, few of us follow sports for purely logical, analytical reasons. Most of us are emotionally connected with the teams. A logical individual would find such deep emotional attachment to a game to be absolutely ridiculous. Yet, we still continue to devote a great deal of personal emotion into our fandom and our commentary.
The Red Baron’s post here may be used to remind all of us why the discussions on sports sometimes get so heated. We are emotionally invested. Otherwise, why would so many of us find a need to continue our daily dose of sports news and notes?
I appreciate your opinion on the matter, and I think it has its place. I hope posts like this continue to find their way on here to balance the strong analytical nature of the blog and remind us why we are all sports fans.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four bad weeks....
Does that mean that Izzy is suddenly “done”?
I’m not so sure it does… he’s appeared in 18 games, on pace for almost 80 appearances (would be new career high, he’s only topped 66 once)...
He appeared in 6 of the team’s first 9 games this year—-at which point he was pitching as well as ever (5 baserunners, zero runs, 7/2 K/bb). Since then he’s been pounded, allowing runs in 7 of 12 appearances, and blowing 5 saves.
Last year Izzy was one of the best closers in the league… as he was for the Cardinals in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005. In 2006 Izzy had the hip injury and that obviously affected his performance. Post-surgery he was back to his old self.
Watching Izzy blow these “sure wins” has been frustrating (didn’t the Cardinals only lose like once last year wehn leading after 8?) but I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden (especially with his solid first half-dozen appearances) Izzy is just completely toast.
Take him out of the role for a couple weeks to let him work it out, but don’t give up on the guy.
Those of you who “aren’t that big of Izzy fans” should go back and take a look at what Izzy has done for this team he since arrived here in 2002, and try to find another reliever in the NL that has done as much for his team, year in, year out. The truth is, he’s been absolutely among the best.
by salvomania on May 10, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Perez was called up it sounds then he has time to figure the problems out
If he can then we have two good options at the end of a game. If he cannot then at least we reconized the problem and moved him to a place where he is still filling a basic role for the team (innings).
Perez appears to be the type of pitcher that will do well with both Izzy and duncan available as coaches. His only problem appears to be one of control. That is something we have a track record of fixing.
by DriverZn on May 10, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roster space...
If Preez was called up what move will the Cardinals make to make room for him?
- Piniero to the DL?
- Izzy to the DL?
- Reyes finally traded?
by Evilfrog on May 10, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it's reyes
we’d still have to make room on the 25 man for him.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good point.
Even though I followed his game last night. I some how forgot we sent him down. I blame all the beer I drank last night.
by Evilfrog on May 10, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't even on the 40 man
so there would have to be a move made there. It looks like the two most obvious moves to get him on the 40 would be to move Clement to the 60 (which I think i have already seen on here) or move Hawksworth off the 40. What would that do to Hawksworth though.
It does look like an interesting weekend if Perez does get the call though.
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you make moves to the 60 day DL retroactively?
‘cause moving Carp would be pretty easy to do too, if that’s the case
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 10, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure
where is that guy/girl who had the link to the roster moves when you need him/her?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I now see that you can
i still wish whoever posted that would come in though
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hawksworth would have to be
passed through waivers, like haerther last year.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on May 10, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the way he is pitching
that might not be much of a problem
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what other teams do with their busted closers
move them to middle relief.
Send Parisi back down, call up Perez.
by Hardcore Legend on May 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Mike Parisi down. Izzy insists he’s healthy. He could be a mentor for Chris in that bullpen.
"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"
by rockin the red on May 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel for Izzy
but it feels a bit misplaced to be mourning when our team is in first place.
I’m not saying that the closer role isn’t presenting a challenge for the Cards, one that needs to be solved to stay in first. I’m just saying that I’m not ready to cue the violins.
by spants on May 10, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Isringhausen
Izzy is a stand up guy. I agree wholeheartedly that booing him or others when they aren’t performing well is not going to help the situation. Ballplayers already know when they screw up; they don’t need 40,000 “experts” to point it out to them.
June 18, 2006 Izzy came into a game where the Cards had a 2 or 3 run lead. I remember the date because it was my first anniversary and the wife got tickets to celebrate. Back to the game. Izzy gets an out, everyone cheers. Then he gives up a solo homer. Everyone in the place, other than me and the wife it seems, lets him hear it. He rebounds to pick up the save.
After the game we head down to the players parking exit and stand around with about 25 other fans hoping to get autographs, photos, whatever. The cop in charge of directing the traffic keeps telling us that we’re wasting out time, that nobody is going to stop, etc. Then, after every player has driven by without any sort of acknowledgment to the group gathered there, we hear a loud, old sports car fire up. The cop looks at the rest of the cops and says with a tone of disgust, “thats Izzy, he’ll probably stop.” Up rolls Izzy in his ‘68 (i think) Camaro. He pulls over just inside the gate, gets out and walks around to every single fan. He signs, he smiles for pictures, he carries on brief conversations. It was simply amazing to me on a night where he had hear the boo-birds despite still completing his job that he would be the only guy on the team to stop and acknowledge the fans.
It will be a sad day for me and should be a sad day for all of Redbird Nation if Izzy is truly “washed up.” Despite his struggles, he has served our beloved Cards dutifully for many, many years now.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on May 10, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me
My dad and I went to MMP back in September 2005 the night Carp got his 20th win. A number of players came out to sign autographs from both teams. I remember seeing Ensberg at one point giving autographs for a short time, and Eckstein came over and signed for about 5 minutes or so. Izzy was near the Cards dugout signing autographs, and I remember being surprised at how long he stayed out there. My attention would wander away to other things, and then I’d look back down there expecting him to be gone, only to see him still there signing away. If the game hadn’t finally started he might have stayed even longer. My dad and I were both impressed by how fan-friendly he was. Although I’ve cussed him as much as the next guy, I always felt that he was a class act and was glad we had him.
"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart
by iron duke75 on May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid Fox
I was hoping the game would be on, but of course it’s the scrubs and dbacks
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are in Chicago
and you were hoping the Cards game would be on?? You are a fan with some faith aren’t ya?
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's chicago and d-backs...
up here in Iowa too. sigh
by svengali on May 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I didn’t even bother to check if I was getting the Cards game. I knew better
"He was trying to hit a three run homer with the bases empty. To my knowledge, no one in the history of the game has ever done that. But it could happen someday. You never know in this world of baseball." The Moonman
by mattyfrommo on May 10, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting Izzy's comments
I’ve never loved Izzy, but I have alot more respect for him now. Its not his fault to be trotted out there when he’s ineffective. You don’t often see individual players make flagrant negative comments about themselves. Its nice to see him feel so concerned about the team; its a shame it had to come to this.
After watching last night’s game, I was ready to post about TLR adhering mindlessly to roles, despite the fact that Izzy’s blown four of his last seven, his velocity is down, his curveball is nonexistent; and, as pointed out earlier this week, he’s not missing bats. Given Joe Strauss’ comments about not using Perez this year, you have to think LaRussa was dead set against him for 2008.
Its lucky Izzy spoke up, or else further damage would have been incurred.
TLR deserves alot of credit for successfully rotating middle infielders and the outfielders this year. However, his handling of the bullpen has not been good.
After 2006, the national media praised his managing, but people on this board rightfully pointed out that his unwillingess to stop relying on veterans and trust youth (Kinney and Ty Johnson among others) almost cost them the pennant. Considering that summer, it wasn’t surprising to see him make the same mistake the last twe weeks.
Who knows… maybe Perez, or KMac or Franklin will struggle too? At least TLR will have to be more objective about the situation. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Izzy rectified his issues and saved some games later this year. I’m rooting for him.
by greenwichvillagecard on May 10, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK any picks??????
Who’s gonna step up and lead this bullpen to a pennant?
mattnj
by mattnj on May 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it would make most sense for Perez or Welley to
but who knows what’s going on when the wheels are turning in the mind of TLR?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing post...
one of the best i’ve ever read; i think, because you tapped right into a part of the human element of it.
with that said, i am not so sure i see this as the end, unless izzy is hurt (which I suspect, even though he claims no). he has been extraordinarily bad recently, but it seems he just can’t get his pitches down in the zone and can’t get the cutter to work.
normally when he’s not been hurt and been “bad” (referring to high whip) in the past, it’s been because he would challenge and go mano e mano. other times he’d get too crafty and try to pitch to very specific locations, and would walk guys.
but i’ve never seen his cutter not bite when healthy. which is what’s going on now. this tells me that he’s adjusting, unconsciously or not, to compensate for weakness, pain, etc (thus injury). I can’t be sure of this, but this is how I see it.
Moreover, I think he could be a good two pitch pitcher (though maybe not a closer). but he keeps trying w/the cutter. where’s the curve? it seems he’s getting beat on fastball w/poor location (up) or, esp, cutter w/poor location (i.e. no movt; read: fastball).
I hope we’re able to figure it out (mechanics, “injury,” both, etc). I still think Izzy, assuming his hip allows, has a few good years in him. Then again, maybe I’m just hoping.
Good luck Perez (or whomever), if you’re coming up.
by HoosierCardFan on May 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful post, RB!
I always enjoy your posts and this had to be my favorite because you found a way to put my feelings over the past couple of years into words.
I became an everyday watching/listening fan during the summer of 2002. I was living at home with my parents for a brief time while I studied for the bar exam. My parents had FSN Midwest on DirectTV. Taking time out for the game was my treat for studying hard. Despite the outcome of the playoffs, that was a really special summer for me. I was taking the NY Bar Exam and the exam happened to be the next week after Ozzie was inducted into the HOF. I was sooo nervous about that exam but I got to Albany and seemed to be surrounded by Cardinals fans! I sat next to two elderly ladies in a restaurant and overheard their warm stories about Jack Buck. I just seemed to calm down and I passed the bar on the first try.
I think what made that summer so special was the time I spent with my dad. He and I were very different, but we really bonded over those nightly ballgames. I lost my dad in January 2006 (at the way too young age of 52). We watched and cheered those glorious teams of 2004 and 2005 (sometimes states apart), but he didn’t get to see the championship season. As great as it was to win, it was almost too bittersweet for me. Now, seeing all of our heroes from those seasons past fading into retirement, it’s another loss to me.
But, I have to say, RB, your post actually gave me hope and inspiration. We will send these warriors on to retirement to spend time with their families and leave behind the physical pain of playing ball. I’m looking forward to moving forward with our next set of heroes.
by thisgirllovesbaseball on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And my thoughts on Izzy..
Thinking about my dad distracted me from my second point (he’d laugh at that)....
I have always LOVED Izzy. His is the only jersey I have. I think he reminded of my first love in college or something…and I’ve always a thing for pitchers. So, it breaks my heart to hear him sounding defeated. I hope we find another role for him for the rest of this season.
by thisgirllovesbaseball on May 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Premature?
I’ve never been a big fan of eulogies prior to death…........but great sentiment and writing nonetheless….......regardless of Izzy, we are certainly seeing a major passing of 2000 heroes
by Hinkster on May 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thanks. Btw. this might be a good time to drop a friendly reminder that if you havent for awhile, you should call your grandmother.
by PSKPSE on May 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It ain't over
I’m one to hope we see Izzy again. And I hope he finds a new vigor and comes back with a vengeance. God willing, he’ll storm back, lift us on his shoulders and have one final hoorah that makes the baseball gods cry.
And call me an old romantic but if life were fair we’d sign Matty Mo and Jimmy Baseball and even Woody to one day contracts and let them retire where they became legends to us. We owe it to them for the way they tried for us.
As a fan of 29 years, I’ve never seen a group of new guys that made me so happy. I’ve also never read anything that made me stop and thank Red and Whitey and especially my grandma for allowing me to be a Cards fan. Thanks, this was a brilliant read.
by BurnsySTL on May 10, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post, RB!
well-written, from a fan perspective, but personal too. good segue from remembering your grandmother to the little,much less important “deaths” players experience when they realize it may be time to end their career.
i agree with other posters, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Izzy. He’ll drive you crazy, but, by reading VEB did I learn that he owns the franchise record for saves. I would have bet on Eck. I think there may be a bullpen by committee in the making, with Franklin’s save today, Perez coming up, and McCellan available too. Izzy needs some time by straighten things out. But, he’s one stand-up guy.
Does someone want to take a shot on a post on JEd’s chances for the HOF?
by chicagojedi on May 10, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you would like to see sharp contrast.
I appreciate VEB all the more after a short trip over to Bird Land. Apparently, the idiocy of the P-D forums has infiltrated Mr. Goold’s blog, as well. Mr. Goold simply posted Isringhausen’s comments after the blown save in Colorado indicating the he felt uncomfortable with using the curve in the high altitude. Not news to anyone that has followed the careers of so many curve-ball pitchers that have gone there to implode. Instead, the commentors were nearly one long continuous rant about how he was just making excuses; and that he has clearly been a bum. LaRussa is an idiot for having him around, and the Cards should shove him out the door as fast as they can.
It makes me appreciate the great perspective that this article employed. Thanks again, Red Baron. I don’t know if he is really done, or not. If he is, it would be nice to know that the self-proclaimed greatest fans in baseball understand that part of being a great fan is being gracious to those that have given us so many years of their lives. I know they get paid handsomely, but would you honestly subject yourself to real possibility of public humility and scorn for nothing more than money. These guys have pride, and it is cruel to scream obscenities at them if they are clearly trying to succeed. It appalls me the way people conduct themselves when they are cushioned from any direct repercussions of their actions.
Thank you, also, to all of the great members of this site for rescuing me from subjecting myself to the torture that is reading the irrational ravings that go on on mainstream media blogs such as FoxSports.com and StLToday.com.
by etp_stl on May 10, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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