Concerning OBP and run scoring
Ok,
I started out looking for stats concerning LOB for teams in the past ten years and I could not find an easy way on Baseball-Reference and I didn’t want to work a lot harder than that. So I decided to use some of the stats readily available to me on the before motioned site and perhaps, draw some interesting inferences from those stats.
Here is what I compiled
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Year |
Runs |
R. Rank |
Baserunners |
Ratio (hits/walks) |
OBP |
OBP Rank |
% baserunners scored |
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STL* |
2008 |
135 |
4th |
417 |
1.90 |
0.374 |
2nd |
32.4 |
|
PHL |
2007 |
892 |
1st |
2199 |
2.43 |
0.354 |
T-1st |
40.6 |
|
PHL |
2006 |
865 |
1st |
2244 |
2.58 |
0.347 |
2nd |
38.5 |
|
CIN |
2005 |
820 |
1st |
2064 |
2.38 |
0.339 |
T-2nd |
39.7 |
|
STL |
2004 |
855 |
1st |
2092 |
2.82 |
0.344 |
4th |
40.9 |
|
ATL |
2003 |
909 |
1st |
2153 |
2.95 |
0.349 |
2nd |
42.2 |
|
ARI |
2002 |
819 |
1st |
2114 |
2.29 |
0.346 |
1st |
38.7 |
|
COL |
2001 |
923 |
1st |
2174 |
3.25 |
0.354 |
1st |
42.5 |
|
COL |
2000 |
968 |
1st |
2265 |
2.77 |
0.362 |
T-1st |
42.7 |
|
ARI |
1999 |
908 |
1st |
2154 |
2.66 |
0.345 |
6th |
42.2 |
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HOU |
1998 |
874 |
1st |
2199 |
2.54 |
0.351 |
2nd |
39.7 |
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ST.DEV. |
0.29 |
|
ST.DEV |
1.6 |
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|
Average |
2.67 |
|
Average |
40.8 |
Hopefully that fits on the screen.
Moving on. It seems that I constantly hear complaining/agonizing that we are leaving too many people on base. I wanted to put some numbers together to get a better idea about our situation. The above numbers have flaws. There are many variables, slg% etc. that I did not take into account; however there are some trends that I feel would give away why we are seeing so many men left on. It would also be very helpful to see how many men these teams left on but like I said I cant find it. The record of the teams is also relevant but you can look that up easily, and for the most part I think they are playoff teams with a few exceptions.
As you can see a high OBP usually = leading the league in runs. However, our Cardinals are in 4th and they are a long way off the pace of teams like the Cubs. With the exception of the 2004 cardinals and the 1999 d-backs (two teams that won over 100 games) a high OBP is necessary to score a lot of runs. This is common sense, but why aren’t WE scoring the runs.
Our ratio of hits to walks is very low compared to the other teams that have had high OBP. Out of the other nine teams on this list, the range of on STDEV for that ratio is from 2.38-2.96 and we are at 1.90. I know that this conclusion has been reached before on the message boards but I just wanted to see it in the numbers. We just aren’t getting enough hits. The walks are fine, but if no one can get a hit, a walk amounts to nothing. I know that some people have said that in their book, a walk=a base hit, but when it comes to getting a run across the plate, walks don’t do much with a man on second.
The trend however, is that an OBP that ranks 1st or 2nd in the league is usually accompanied, over the course of the year with a better hit/walk ratio. I think the cardinals will begin to find that ratio as the season progresses and the sample size increases. It will manifest itself in clutch hits, as well as a decrease in the amount of walks taken. I base that on my feeling that the team will hit better and the inevitability that out OBP will not stay at .374 but will decrease towards the league average. This will decrease the number of men that get on but increase the % of the runners who do get on that score. (last column in the table)
There is also another way to look at it. If the punchless bats in our lineup, Izturis, Kennedy, Miles, and even Yadi to some extent don’t punish pitchers for putting people on base, then our walks will continuously go to the more dangerous hitters. This will allow opposing teams to take the bat out of the hands of the good hitters and get the outs where the threat of a hit is less. We would then have the MLB’s version of Hack a Shaq in Pitch around Pujols.
I don’t see that happening but it is up for you to debate. I just thought this was a fun little number crunching activity, you thoughts?
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Pretty sure slugging is the answer (or lack thereof). Per the baseball reference play index:
SLG 2008 Cards (through April): .415
SLG 2004 Cards (full year): .460
SLG 1999 DBacks (full year): .459
Makes intuitive sense that if you’re OBP consists of a lot of singles or walks, and decent slugging isn’t there to drive them in, then your run production won’t be the best. Teams like the ‘04 Cards or ‘99 DBacks might not have gotten as many walks or singles, but when they got on base, it was due to hits that picked up at least 2 bases.
Not that I’m complaining about our excellent (and unfortunately soon to regress) OBP of course, it’s why we’re 18-11. Just wish we slugged more. It speaks to your point that our weak spots (middle infield, catcher) are REALLY weak.
Oh, and if someone with a B-R account (getting my soon, promise) can run Team Batting data for the 2004 Cards and 1999 DBacks for just April of those seasons, it might give us a better apples-to-apples comparison.
On second read...
I’m sort of cringing at the mention of clutchiness:
It will manifest itself in clutch hits, as well as a decrease in the amount of walks taken.
We shouldn’t want a decrease in the amount of walks. Walks are good. Trying for a clutch hit by swinging at a ball out of the strike zone is bad.
My point is that our .374 team OBP will regress, and our weak spots in the lineup that you mention will really come back to hurt us in the coming months.
Bad wording
I wasnt trying to say that I want our walks to go down. I would like for out OBP to stay at .374 and get clutch hits in addition, i just dont see it happening.
I'm not sure what to think
We are 8th in the league in R/g. Of the 7 teams above us in R/g, we are outslugging AND out-OBP’ing the pirates, brewers and dodgers this year, yet they are all still on pace to score more runs than us, so it isn’t just that our slugging is lacking. The only teams out-OPS’ing us are the cubs and Diamondbacks, and we are outscoring two teams who are outslugging us, FLA and CIN.
I guess an argument could be made that our situational hitting has been lacking; we’ve hit into 31 double plays, vs 24 in the first 29 games of 2004. The pirates only have 11 GIDP’s so far, and Mil 14, but LAD has 29, which hurts that argument.
we’ve also hit a lot of solo home runs (13 of 20), though the teams we are outslugging and out-OBP’ing who are above us in run scoring PIT (13 of 23), mil (15 of 24) and LAD (12 of just 17) have also been hitting many solo shots. So that’s not it.
BA/RISP? Only LA is noticeably better (15 points of BA); PIT is 83 points behind us in OPS/RISP and 33 points behind in BA/RISP, while MIL is basically tied.
I give up. I guess I’ll take refuge in the fact that if we had scored 4 more runs overall, in 29 games, we’d be in 4th place instead of 7th, and we’ve had a couple of unjust calls at home…
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BTW, 2004 in april we did: 23 games, 130 runs, 312 baserunners (w + h + bp), 229 hits, 77 BB, 2.97 H/BB, .345 OBP, .518 SLG, 40 HR, 42% scored.
So we scored more runs in 2008 than we did in 2004, but we had 5 more games to do it in.
Through the first 29 games in ‘04:
146 runs, 379 Baserunners, 278 hits, 92 BB, 3.02 H/BB, .274/.335/.477, 43 HR, 38.6% scored
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
get on, leave on
yep, i agree. the lack of hitting, and power in particular, means that opposing pitchers can pitch carefully and not worry too much about putting men on base. we simply have to structure our line-up in a way that keeps them form doing this. kennedy, iz2, yadi, and the pitcher is too big a hole. tlr finally moved some folks around the other day and i think it needs to stay that way. bat skippy/barton and kennedy/ryan at 1 and 2. if one of them gets on, they will have to pitch to albert more often. power-schmower, two-hole schmoo-hole, we just can’t have the long dark tunnel of lower watttage bulbs all in a row and succeed.
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
I think you've hit on something.
It would be interesting to compare our lineup production now (runs scored vs. team OBP or SLG) to that of the Astros of the past three or four years, which has had a glaring discrepancy in effectiveness of lineup spots 2-3-4-5, as compared to the rest.
Honestly, though, no lineup construction is going to be able to effectively hide shlubs like Kennedy or Izturis, and the pitcher’s spot. The best we can hope for is that they take their walks and hope they make outs less than 2/3 of the time. At least until we get some better hitters.
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I'm not sure the problem is hits...
The Cardinals actually rank 5th in the majors in hits, and as you probably know, they are also first in walks. The Cardinals also rank 12th in total bases though, showing a lack of extra base hits. When you are 5th in hits, you definitely want to be higher than 12th in TBs.
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