Game 5 Open Thread: April 5, 2008
by the red baron on Apr 5, 2008 8:29 AM EDT
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Howdy, folks. Nice game last night, huh?
First off, kudos to Braden Looper. He pitched far better than I expected him to; I was of the opinion that Braden's less than spectacular velocity and results in Spring Training were a harbinger of physical problems on the near horizon. Of course, that could still be the case, but he looked very good last night at least.
Kevin Slaten got the axe. There's a diary up about it; I won't belabour the point. I can't say I'm particularly surprised or all that disappointed, though. 'Nuff said.
So far, the Cards have played four official games, and one that got rained out. That's five starting pitching performances, and five solid showings. Brad Thompson and Kyle Lohse were the most surprising and impressive to me so far; Thompson for the quality of his secondary pitches, and Lohse for how good he looked with such a limited spring training. I know that he was throwing to UC Irvine kids during the offseason, but it's still impressive that he was able to come out and be so effective right out of the gate.
So, my question is this: When the first of the Cardinals' injured starters comes back, whether it's Mulder, Pineiro, or Clement, what do you want to see happen? For the hypothetical, and because it appears to be the most likely actual outcome, let's assume that Muldoo is back first. When he comes back, who's the first man out? Wellemeyer? Thompson? Lohse? Wainwright? I'll bet it's Wainwright.
Seriously, though. Who do you take out of the rotation, and then how do you clear a space for him? You probably have to demote one of the guys out of the bullpen to make a spot for the starter who's moving, so who is it going to be? The most likely candidates, of course, would be Wellemeyer moving back to the bullpen, and then either Anthony Reyes or Kyle McClellan hitting the I-55 Kerry Robinson Memorial Expressway back to Memphis. McClellan has been so impressive to this point, though, that I have a hard time believing it's going to be him. Hell, several posters here want him to be the first option as setup man or closer if something goes wrong down in the pen. It may be a bit premature, but the kid definitely looks as if he can get the job done at this level.
Which, of course, brings us back to Anthony Reyes. Is he the first player down, when someone comes back? We know that LaRussa, (somewhat) and Duncan, (hardcore) already wanted to move him off the roster, but were overruled by the Hand of Mo. Is that still the prevailing sentiment? He pitched beautifully the other day in relief; is that enough to force them to reconsider?
Personally, I don't think it will be. He's probably still on the hot seat. But, this would not be the first instance of me being wrong about something in my life. So, I ask all of you. What's the plan, Stan? When an injured starter, (most likely Mulder) comes back in a few weeks, what moves do you make to open up the spot?
A bit rushed for time this am, folks, so I'm going to cut it a bit short. Discuss.
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Reyes
If for no other reason than to have him start games.
Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)
by Tackle Box on Apr 5, 2008 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been very vocal in my opinion that
Mr. Reyes not be sent to AAA. He should be traded if he's viewed as "extra" My problem is, I don't think Mr. Clement will ever see the mound in St. Louis, and I don't believe that Mr. Mulder is going to ever to be anywhere near as good as he was in his A's days. Seriously, has there ever been a pitcher return from shoulder surgery 6 months out and be anything like they were in their past? After missing as much time as Mr. Mulder has? I think if he did get a good run, I'd trade him. He's more likely than not to be a candidate for re-injury.
I'm glad the starters have gotten off to a good start; I hope they all can keep it up. But history tells us that good pitchers will have bad runs, bad pitchers will have good runs, and someone is going to get hurt when you least expect it.
Having said that, Mr. Reyes goes no matter what he's doing at the time. He was the last one added to the roster, he'll be the first one off.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
considering
they have each only pitched 1 game, it is far too early to tell who will need to be moved to make room. i'd guess welly and thompson will be the first 2 outta the rotation since they both have the most relief experience (i know loop does as well, but i think he is set in the starters role from here on out). but i don't see piniero coming back as a starter but more likely a long reliever, mulder/clement are done (imo) so that just leaves carp to bump welly or thompson and maybe reyes will bump the other eventually.
by lopey986 on Apr 5, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes in pen?
I would like to see Duncan give Reyes a full shot at the pen. I have read that Dunc and Reyes have different 'pitching philosophies' with the one concrete example being that Dunc says Reyes does not pitch to contact. In the pen it is a good idea to come in and try to strike people out and not pitch to contact so couldn't Reyes pitching philosophy work coming out of the pen?
by texas on Apr 5, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
Reyes needs to start. There is no other alternative in my opinion. When Mildew gets back, Reyes needs to head to AAA to get some more work on his arm mechanics. Wellemeyer or Looper can in turn, move back to the bullpen to be the long relief guy (or in Looper's case the set-up man if Franklin is still scaring the bejeesus out of Cardinal Nation).
by Epic on Apr 5, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes traded
First off, I believe Pinero will be the first back and he will go in to the rotation replacing probably Wellemeyer. Of course that could change as each will probably have at least 2 more starts before Pinero returns.
Mo is probably holding his breath that Reyes will have a couple of more good outings so he can trade him to someone for something.
After that, McClellan is the guy who gets sent out. They've got money tied up in Springer and Franklin. Izzy isn't going anywhere. Flores and Villone stay due to being LH.
by cards13 on Apr 5, 2008 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right on the money, Cards13 ...
Pineiro definately will be the first back, and he bumps Wellemeyer (unless someone else gets hurt or has miserable outings before April 15) ... Wellenmeyer goes to the pen ... Reyes, who hopefully will have at least 2 or 3 more good relief outings, is then traded (hopefully, for his sake) ... or sent down to Memphis as a starter if there's no interest in him ... Mulder comes back next in early May ... Thompson goes to the pen ... then they have a real dilemma on their hands ... perhaps by then, someone is really struggling or hurt to make the decision obvious ... if not, McClellen goes down ... but it will be temporary ... both Reyes (if he's still around) and McClellan will be there to take the place for any injury or prolonged ineffectiveness (or of course, Wellemeyer or Thompson can be moved back to the rotation) ... anyway, that's my take ...
I hate to see it go down this way for Reyes ... he is a talent just waiting to blossom in the Bigs, and I wish it would be for us ... for reasons re-hashed a million times on this board ... so I won't go into any of that ... but, the way this staff is shaping up, and the way LaRuncan think, there just doesn't seem to be room ... set Anthony Reyes free ... I guess ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reyes traded
I still dont like trading Reyes and my reasoning has more to do with next year. Maybe im wrong but wont Mulder,Loshe, Clement, Welly and Looper all be FA after this year?
For some reason I thought so but looking at it, thats cant be right can it?
I know Loshe is on a one year deal, I assume Welly is to.
Clement is on a one year deal (options?)
Mulder was on a two year deal from last year
and I just think Loops contract will be up, maybe next year though?
Do we really want to have to fill all those spots again? I mena year we have a surplus and guys can be resigned but next year its looking like Carp, Waino, Piniero....
maybe we will be promoting players.
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've got options on mulder and clement
and i'm pretty sure welly will still be under team control, same for thompson.
but i'm not expecting too much from any of them. i'd like to see us make a run at one of the big fa pitchers - sabathia, burnett, sheets.
so our 09 rotation could look like:
carp
sabathia/burnett/sheets
wainer
then the best 2 of about 15 in-house options, including: reyes, welly, thompson, mcclellan, mulder, clement, piniero, garcia, mort, parisi, etc...
by swade on Apr 5, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the chaff will be separated from the wheat soon
enough. As alluded to earlier, it's very early, and although each pitcher that is a candidate for demotion is making a strong case to stay with the big club, the law of averages say that one or more will slip up, and the choice will be obvious. So, who will that be?
My gut tells me it will be Wellemeyer and Thompson, with Wellemeyer stumbling first. Unless he can start throwing strikes on a regular basis, the 5 inning 90 pitch outing will catch up to him sooner rather than later. Thompson is a one trick pony as pitch repetoire, and as I think it was HoustonCardinal who pointed out so astutely, on days his sinker doesn't sink he gets knocked around pretty well. (If it wasn't HC who wrote that, my apologies to the poster who did--please correct me).
Of course, the LaDunc attitude towards Reyes always makes him a candidate for demotion to AAA, with Well/Thompson taking Anthony's spot in the bullpen, but if Reyes keeps pitching as effectively as he is from the 'pen, I don't see how they could justify that move, especially if you have to pull Todd or Brad from the rotation for ineffectiveness.
As to trades, if I'm Mo I'm not pulling the trigger as soon as Mulder, Clement, and Pinero come back, because of their injury history. I wait until June or July, track those three and then look at Carp's return date before I start making any moves, but that's just me.
"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."
by MilCardFan on Apr 5, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it was AZ
It wasn't me. Thanks for the shout-out, though.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remain unenamored of Thompson's secondary offerings.
(PS - As an aside, omeone has a signature on this site that taught me the proper preposition to go with enamored. I'll never use "with" again.)
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's unfair
To automaticily assume that Thompson will struggle this year when his sinker isn't working. It's been true in the past. But he spent all spring working on his secondary pitches. His improved secondary pitches is the main reason he was able to strike out 6 in his last outing.
Obouvisily, he won't pitch 6.2 shutout innings with 6 strike-outs if he can't find his sinker. But I think he still has a chance to have a quality outing without it.
by Evilfrog on Apr 5, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right,
but his history, up until now, indicates otherwise. He had a very impressive first start, the best one of the staff until Waignwright's earlier today. Let's see if he can consistently do what he did the other day.
I really hope you're right about developing his other pitches, and like other folks have said, this is really a nice problem to have. I hope the front office makes wise decisions on the upcoming personnel moves.
"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."
by MilCardFan on Apr 5, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
options
which pitchers still have options?
If Wellemeyer has options, I'd send him and his 95 pitch count through 5 innings to Memphis. I like our bullpen, but I don't want to see it four innings a day.
I'd like to keep Reyes if for no other reason than Mo to establish dominance over Tony and Dave. Think Cesar Milan, the Dog Whisperer...tssst!.
Dave: Mo, we gotta send FlatBill down; he doesn't pitch to con- TSSST!
Mo: IronBill stays.
by sra on Apr 5, 2008 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
When our "B" starters are pitching better than
we hoped of our "A" starters, its a nice problem to have. My guess is that McClellan will go down to start at AAA and they'll keep Reyes in the bullpen (contra to what others think). If Reyes continues to dominate, like he did the other day, they'll give him a chance at starting---of course you would have to question his stamina for 4 + innings. Besides who's to say everyone who is healthy now will stay that way?
mattnj
by mattnj on Apr 5, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll Agree There 110%
If they keep giving us quality starts it is a very good problem to have indeed. At this point I am not willing to say what we should do. My gut is if we're not in the "race" when Mulder, Pineiro, and Clement get back we sit and wait. If we are in the "race" we deal a combo of the players to make a playoff push, with the caveat we don't mortgage the future for this year.
by tommyguniii on Apr 5, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need
These decsisions should be made soley based within the context of need. If all five pitchers are doing really well (not likely) when another is ready to come pack. The pitcher that is ready to come back should go on rehab and at least prove their readiness in the minor leagues before bumping someone that is geting results.
That said, I doubt Wellemeyer will keep posting zeroes, for reasons mentioned by other posters. It will probably be Pineiro that comes back and replaces him as I see Mulder having to do an extensive rehab to prove that he will not do what he did last year and just end up screwing the team. If Welley does get booted, I want Franklin on the DL because he has looked terrible so far, even with the scoreless inning last night he was getting crushed, it was just being caught.
Thats three cents I think.
by t7rick on Apr 5, 2008 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is sending down a position player an option?
Because right now our bullpen is pretty beat up and an extra arm wouldn't hurt. As much as I love the guy, Schumaker might need to go down to AAA and figure his swing out.
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not go nuts
The season is 4 games old.
by Jhusk on Apr 5, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that I think of it
is Skippy out of options?
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Schumaker would have to clear waivers to be sent to AAA.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought "making room"
was going to mean that you were making a chatroom for during games when there are millions of comments, but no continuity to the discussion. a chatroom would help with that...
by krippledmaster on Apr 5, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a great problem to have.
I would hope that Mulder would do a long re-hab stint. I would make sure he was for real before I did anything. If Mark struggles against minor league hitters then he will be the one who is gone. If Mulder mows done the kids then bring him in to face major leaguers. Welley or Baby Face Thompson can be moved to the pen. McClellan can be sent down.
I watched the Met game last September and I really was impressed with what Pineiro was able to do that day. If Pine Fresh comes back strong it might then be time to move Reyes.
I wouldn't mind Reyes/Duncan or Reyes/Schumaker being moved for prospect(s).
by nybirdfan on Apr 5, 2008 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
Well according to this article Pineiro will be back on the 13th of April.
When he does I think Thompson is the one that goes to the bullpen, and unfortunately McClellan will be sent down to Memphis.
That's only if the Cards continue to carry 12 pitchers instead of going to 13.
by AirForceCardsFan on Apr 5, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's no way a National League team can carry 13 pitchers.
Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)
by Tackle Box on Apr 5, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona could.
They could use Micah Owings as a pitcher/back up first baseman/pinch hitter.
I have secretly hoped Owings would be traded to the A's; that's an organization that would have no qualms about trying something like that...and you could probably sneak him out there to play left field on occasion too....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
April 13 is just more than a week
is it enough time for Mo to put together a decent market for Reyes and ship him off? Not sure. I think that's Mo's dream scenario -- Pineiro comes back and he's able to ship Reyes off for something of value rather than sending him back to AAA. Unless someone's hurt or he's able to trade Reyes, I don't see any other option for him than sending Reyes back to Memphis. BTW, I expected Pineiro to be the 1st one back but didn't quite expect him back that quickly.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 man rotaition
they could always go with a 6 man rot. until one of the pitchers flames out.. im affraid that a struggling mulder or pinero, will get starts over one of the guys thats making quality starts. i doubt welly and tommy boy can sustain this level of pitching but wierder' things have happened..
and yes im suprised reyes hasnt gone "postal worker" on that club house.. dud must have some cold stones. hell through him in center because of his "solid throwing arm"...
duncan.. your a beauti..
by sean in the mo on Apr 5, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would actually
like to see this tried, w/ the exception that Wainwright and Lohse throw every five days.
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Apr 5, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're still going to have to send someone out
probably Reyes and a 6 man rotation would short the bullpen. I guess you could have Wellemeyer, Thompson, Looper, and Pineiro throw once from the pen between starts. It might work. If you didn't do that, you're either going to have a short pen or 13 pitchers, and that's too many.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what kind of decent prospects we could get for Reyes or Lohse if they start pitching real well (of course would we want to trade them if they do so well for us)
Reyes can pitch 6 innings consistently, but he has to last past the 4th effectively to do so (he could do that with a team that's rebuilding/not bent on winning a division), he's young and he's been brought up a starter anyhow.
I don't trust 6 man rotations, looper and wainwright didn't perform as well with 5 days rest instead of 4 days, it screws up their pitching and workout habits between games, especially looper.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on Apr 5, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, the answer is
"wait and see"... when Piñiero comes back, the least-effective starter is likely to move to the 'pen.
Best guess is that'll be Wellemeyer, unless he can get his pitch count down. Who gets the Memphis trip? I sure dunno... but somebody else might get hurt between now and then.
McClellan has looked mighty good, but he is a projected starter who hasn't seen any AAA innings... sending Reyes down doesn't accomplish anything, if the object is to trade him; he's more attractive as a major-leaguer than as a AAA starter.
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Apr 5, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wellmeyer to the Pen...
I agree his tendency to not get past 5 innings without 90 to 100 pithces makes him the most likely to go back to the pen when Piniero comes back.
I also smell a trade a brewing. Maybe and OF/Pitcher combo of sorts.
Thompson seems to have a few more pitches now if he keeps it up he could stay or be a nice trade piece.
Maybe Reyes needs to go to AAA and pick up some experience closing out games eh?
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 5, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with MilCardFan
I agree with MilCardFan. Someone will slip up soon enough. If I remember correctly, last April the Card's staff pitched pretty darn well, but the offense was non-existent. We all know how the pitching ended up last year. I'm a fan of Reyes, but imagine he'll be traded. What would we want in return? A SS prospect?
by Yellow Dog on Apr 5, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Goold
in today's p-d suggested that Springer stunk last night perhaps b/c he was "still smarting from a 32-pitch inning Wednesday night." I ask again, why the hell was he even out there on Wednesday?
He entered the game in the 9th inning w/ the Cards up 8-3 -- a five run lead for a reliever who should be either the 7th or 8th inning option in a close game, not a mop-up guy. When he entered, the Cards had a 98.6% chance they would win. This was the time to use Reyes, thus saving Springer for a more high-leverage situation.
Maybe this means that he's used in Thursday's game, up 3-0 in the 8th -- when Reyes was used. If so, LaRussa wouldn't have used him last night, as he doesn't like to use him two nights in a row, and he wouldn't have struggled. McClellan or Reyes or someone doesn't give up 3 quick runs and the game never becomes as close as it did.
Plus, now Springer's going to be unavailable AGAIN today! It just made no sense then and makes less sense now.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely correct ...
I couldn't believe Springer was out there in an 8-3 game ... it was clearly an AR situation ... I like Tony, I don't like to rip him, but he drives me crazy sometimes the way he uses (mis-uses) the bullpen ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was thinking the same thing on Wed HC...what is Springer doing in this game with a 5 run lead...I thought that was the EXACT situation they were going to use AR in ? As to the other questions on who moves where when the other starters come back?.. well I think McClellan will be sent down as one move...I think a trade of AR is another good posibility....or?...some phantom injury to Welly or Thompson or Shu...to send them to the DL., is also possible
by Timbo02 on Apr 5, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it clear that either Pineiro or Mulder
would be starters when they first came back? There's something to be said for getting them some bullpen work before they join the rotation. Of course their long-term niches are as starters, but it might not happen immediately. Mulder is probably more likely to return directly as a starter than Pineiro, but pen time would make sense for both.
If either comes back and looks able to start effectively, Wellemeyer goes to the pen because of difficulty going deep into games, and McClellan goes to Memphis simply because he has options. I expect that McC will be yo-yoing between Memphis and St. Louis all season; that's your lot in life when you have options and are not an established starter. A related, and more difficult, question is: what happens when (if) the roster goes from 12 pitchers to 11?
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro was never really injured
he was just sore. He is said to have looked sharp over his last few throwing sessions and he looked really good as he stupidly climbed the wall during BP and stole a HR from Duncan yesterday.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are we kidding?
It's Reyes. He'll be traded. We saw last night why. McClellan couldn't find the plate with a map and compass and was hanging every breaking pitch he could throw.
Yet, he's Duncan's "Homeboy" and was given more than enough rope to finally get out of the inning. If it had been Reyes, Aaron Miles would have been called in to finish the inning.
It is such a shame that the braintrust is going to trade Anthony just when it finally seems he has gotten his mechanics back on track and that he could be an extremely valuable starting pitcher.
Thompson, who is a great long reliever, should go back to the bullpen. Reyes should go into the rotation. But alas, it is moot at this point.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McClellan looked pretty good from my seat last night.
One border line strike/ball and Glaus stiching up his hole in his glove and he would have got out of Springer's bases loaded jam.
I would rather see Fraklin/Springer on the way out. But unfortunely I agree that A-Rey will be the one on the way out.
by Evilfrog on Apr 5, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, if Kearns hadn't watched a belt high
hanging curveball, it'd have been a bases clearing grand slam.
McClellan got away with alot of bad pitches last night.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about your last comment.
Not that it should be Thompson, but that they should pull people out of the rotation based on if they are good in the pen. My choice for first to go would be Looper, but I know that's not possible at this point because he's been starting so much lately. But I still feel that he can contribute the most to our pen, and that he's not a whole lot better than the other starters. Also, let's face it, after a year of starting for the first time, the guy could easily break down this year starting games again.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pinerio Return Date
Pineiro's return date?
Team website says April 13
Post-Dispatch says he'll make two rehab starts (the first on Tuesday, April 8) which would make an April 13 return impossible.
Neither give quotable evidence. Any ideas?
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably depends on how we're pitching
and whether or not Mo's been able to line up a suitor for Reyes.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we all agree that Wellmeyer will get bumped...
by Piniero?
And to a lesser extent that A Reyes is probably headed out of town via a trade?
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 5, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree to that with no troubles ...
Iffing they can find a trade partner for Reyes ... which boggles my mind clubs aren't lining up ... I wish we'd keep him around so that he can replace Mulder when he (probably) flops ... but knowing LaRuncan's mindset, they'll re-replace Mulder with Wellemeyer or Thompson ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a market for Mr. Reyes....they are waiting for a fleece market.....which they can do,
because at this point they can wait it out.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proposition Reyes/Duncan.
Trade...
Duncan, Reyes package for ?
SP or SS...
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 5, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan/Reyes
I've been a big fan of packaging them for a long time. Still would love to see the Brian Roberts deal happen, but I guess thats not likely. How about Joe Blanton or Rich Harden? Harden could be a steal if he can get over his bout with Prior-itis. I think a move like this would need to wait a couple months (until they are ready to bring Rasmus up and Harden can prove he's healthy). I'm a believer that Looper, Wellemeyer, and Thompson need to be replaced in the rotation at some point. I also am not a believer in the Clement/Mulder comebacks. I'm not a big time believer in A-rey over the course of a full season. If you make this deal then you have a rotation of
Wainwright
Blanton/Harden
Lohse
Pineiro
Thompson/Wellemeyer/Looper (take your pick) -
Then if Mulder or Carpenter can come back and pitch effectively you would have a pretty stable rotation heading into the postseason - which is what they should be planning for, whether its realistic or not.
By the way, I realize that Harden is terribly injury-prone which is why I said it would have to be months before you could consider him. I would prefer Blanton as he seems to be a reliable 200 inning guy. I would not wait to pull the trigger on getting him.
If/when Clement comes back I think I'd have to release him.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's will require our 3 best prospects for Blanton and our 5 best prospects for Harden.
I love Rich Harden though. If you can work around his DL stints, like Milwaukee can with Ben Sheets, you have a guy with ace stuff. I don't see the Cardinals as being there quite yet. My guess is that he somehow ends up with Boston-they have enough stability in the rotation to risk him and they have lots of goodies on the bench and on the farm that they really can live without if forced to.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also be very careful about dealing for pitching with Mr. Beane.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true for sure...
I'm still trying to figure out how the Braves picked their pocket for Hudson and we paid a king's ransom for Mulder
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A time when Mr. Beane was the fleecee.......
But Hudson, even in a bad year, is still a pretty good pitcher. Which brings up another point.....the Braves are pretty good at unloading a prospect before everyone figures out they are no longer a prospect......I don't know if the new GM is good that way, but I'd be careful with the Braves too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would vote SS ...
That way Brendan Ryan can play 2b, where he'll be better ... somewhere down the line ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1380 Radio is currently talking about trading ...
Isringhausen ... I hear this kind of thing all of the time ... I think it's ludricrous ... don't most people realize how important Izzy is to this team? He completely solidifies our bullpen ... our bullpen is a shambles when he's not there ... when healthy, he's as reliable as anyone you can find ... and he's healthy ... so why wouldn't you want to hang on to him? He's a local guy who loves to pitch for STL ... it would be stupid to replace him until he's physically unable to perform at his present levels ... I like Perez ... (and maybe someday Motte ... I was listening to the Memphsis game the other day ... he's bringing it at 98 MPH ... and mowing'em down ... he's going to be a great addition sometime) ... but Perez isn't ready ... I like keeping Izzy around and letting him go out on his terms ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I goes with the mindset of
You dont need a top notch closer if you arent in contention. The return and salary we could ship off to someone wanting to make a run close to the trade deline is tremendous. Having Perez in the wings even makes it easier to fathom. We might not even lose much...
But I would like to see Izzy retire here
Springer on the DL...
by Evilfrog on Apr 5, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as of right now
we're in contention. in case you haven't noticed ;)
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams come up with all kinds of solutions for the closers.
Relievers are flaky; very few remain consistently good year in and year out. Sometimes they just put the best strike thrower out there until they explode. Then it's just next, please......
I still like Izzy on the team, though I worry about a breakdown because of his age and past health problems.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being "a local guy" is irrelevant
I get tired of that sort of prattle -- that he should play for the Cards b/c he's from around St. Louis. Who cares? And Izzy isn't going anywhere -- he's 10/5 protected and wants to be here. Until that changes or the season ends, he remains a Cardinal.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean that being local is a reason to keep him ...
I meant that being local is the reason he wants to stay ... and a significant reason fans would revolt if they got rid of him ... whether you like it or not, fans like local players ... can you say 'McClellan'? ...
But I agree with you that being local is not a reason to keep a guy around ... I can see that's how you'd take from the way I worded it ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do know
that's a reason many fans have for liking Izzy and McClellan. We just need to be evaluating these players objectively, not based on some regional affinity. Astros' fans do the exact same thing here.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans do that everywhere.
Ultimately, this is a business for the fans, and many fans are provincial. That is not a knock on those fans. If they want to see a local guy get the nod when the cases are close, then it is a good PR move for the team to do so. If it brings a few more viewers or a few more fans to the stadium, then it tips the scales on a close personnel decision.
I tend to evaluate players based on their performance; and, when healthy, Mr. Isringhausen has done the job. He is often scary when he does it, but he typically gets it done. Mr. McClellan simply won the job. I don't see any evidence that he was given the job due to his birthplace.
by etp_stl on Apr 6, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is ludicrous to trade Izzy.
He wants to stay and he is still a dominant closer.
Also he is the leader amongst all the pitchers. He helped Wagonmaker adjust to the big leagues and now hopefully he can straitghen out Reyes and help McClellan.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 5, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
His importance in the mentoring department can not be overstated. Add that to the fact that he is effective and it's a no-brainer to keep him around
by 10worldchamps on Apr 5, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
If we're desperate to get rid of salaries (which we're not) or free up roster space, deal Looper or Izturis (like that's going to happen / anybody wants him). Keep Izzy, though, because he's worth every penny.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes = Wainwright of 2006?
Of all the people we could trade as pitchers get healthy, Reyes has by far the most potential. However, he is also the least proven. Teams know what they are getting when they trade for a Wellemeyer, Thompson, Looper, or Pineiro. As it is likely we will be sending a pitcher to a team that believes it needs a starter to stay in the hunt, they will probably want a ~proven~ entity not a project. Trading with such a team will also mean that we are likely to get prospects in return, as they won't want to send valuable major league talent back if they truly believe they have a shot at the playoffs.
On the otherhand, if we decide we are in the running this year, then we would most likely need to trade a prospect/project ( aka Reyes) to a team in rebuilding mode and get major league talent back (shortstop, RH OF, 2B) that would improve our chances for the year.
Personally I think we could be in the running this year, and if there is a shot we can't give up on it (come on, we're STL, not the Pirates). The teams ahead of us could all be one injury away from trouble, and I don't think we are that far behind them anyways. So that would seem to leave us with option #2 as our mode of operation.
The problem is that I don't believe our bullpen is as solid as we thought it was (Kinney just had a setback by the way). This could be a knee-jerk reaction, but perhaps not. If Franklin is junk, then we need an 8th inning guy who can fill that role. Maybe that could be Reyes, a la Wainwright in 2006. We are not going to get equivalent talent in return if we deal Reyes this year, not at least till he gets 20 appearances or so out of the pen. We don't have a proven major-league ready guy at the moment that can strike guys out from the pen - Reyes is probably our best chance. If we think we are in contention we need to keep him for this possible role. And if after the year he has been successful, then we can try him starting again. Or if Duncan still has it out for him, then he is all the more valuable trade bait.
So what I think we should do is move one of our serviceable starters Thompson/Welly/Pineiro/Looper and an OF Skip/Ludwick to a fringe team and get prospects for the future, and not really be any worse off for it this year. We call up The Rasmus to take the OF spot, Mulder has the chance to knock of the worst of the remaining 5 starters (whether he should or not is something I am concerned about), and we dont have to watch Franklin pitch the 8th anymore. We have a chance to continue our love-hate relationship with Reyes. Our farm system gets another player. And our hopes for 2009 are improved (Reyes value/possible prospect contribution).
Sorry this is so long - It's my first post. I've been reading a long time but I have been too lazy to sign up till now. Two other questions.
Does anyone know of a good help source to get MLBtv 1.2mbps to work?
Does anyone know of a good Cardinals Bar in NYC besides Deweys Flatiron grill?
by ShannonIsn'tSober on Apr 5, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Springer...
Just went on the DL. Jeminez is up. So...whoever moves back into the pen I believe Jeminez is the guy that goes back down.
by Evilfrog on Apr 5, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yep ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how responsible is LaRussa for Springer's injury? ...
He's over-used and mis-used him this week, in my opinion ... which I've already described in a earlier post ... he's a tough one to lose ... I hope it's not prolonged ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to Russ Springer ...
... good.
It occurs to me that there is a distinct upside to the number of pitchers currently on the DL, namely the opportunity to be extremely cautious with minor injuries to guys on the 25-man whenever one of the DL pitchers is due to come off. Without knowing how severe Springer's injury is, if I were in TLR's shoes, I'd have been tempted to move him to the DL the next time he has so much as a hangnail, or a hangover, if there was someone ready to replace him. The only problem here is replacing him with Jimenez rather than with a pitcher.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must be missing something....because I just don't see Jimenez as being all that good.
Someone who knows more about him, please explain it to me......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 5, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jiminez isn't very good
this isn't an upgrade for the team but it IS a nice chance to extend Reyes' Cardinals career.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Ryan probably closer
than Pineiro to coming back?
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Say what?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point was
when Ryan comes back, Jimenez goes back to Memphis so Pineiro's return still pushes Reyes out.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rico will go down ...
When Ryan gets back ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Uncle Rico
will be sent down. How many IF do we need?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong Jimenez?
We have 2, one pitcher one MIF
by StLHugo on Apr 5, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clue!
I would've given a shot to Politte or Castellanos. Hugo is almost 28 years old now. Let's see what he can do. At least Politte has proven in the past he can fill this role. I just don't see what Jimenez has done to be this high on the depth chart
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave was ga-ga over him
wanted him on the roster instead of Reyes.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup is finally out ...
Barton, LF
Ankiel, CF
Pujols, 1B
Glaus, 3B
Ludwick, RF
Molina, C
Kennedy, 2B
Wainwright, P
Izturis, SS
I'm surprised Kennedy is in there against a lefty ... Ankiel #2 again ... don't like it ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, I hear that the new Gameday shows highlights
from the game moments after it happens? Is this true?
Also, if so, how does this work with the Fox MLB.TV blackout?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
I'm relegated to radio/gameday today due to the blackout, so this is great news.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually when I'm workin
I'm tracking the game on gameday, so the near-instant highlights are quite awesome. Gameday is pretty awesome this year and it usually helps take the sting away when angry customers yell at me at the mall or when I just don't feel like paying attention in my Met. classes...
by Fro Jackson on Apr 5, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somehow
I'm not blocked out today. You might want to check and make sure you are, in case you are just assuming it's blocked cuz it's a saturday...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im confused
I am on Gameday and waiting for this video replays to happen, Am I missing something here?
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 5, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago already losing
that didn't take long.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, MLB.com isn't showing
that there is a blackout. Can someone with MLB.tv check?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
All I know is that it's not being covered on Extra Innings. Dammit!
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it
Driving me crazy.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching the Cubs-Astros game on FSNSW ...
Marquis is getting shelled ... it 2-0 in the 2nd, and his pitch count is at 30 with no outs yet in the 2nd ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Astros ...
have men on 1st and 3rd ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen the Cardinals once
because Extra Innings has them on the overflow channels, and hockey is blocking it
by WhiteGold on Apr 5, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainer is off to a good start ...
Be nice to see a complete game shutoout, huh ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice start for Wainer
gave up a double, but he looks verey comfortable today. His curves are just barely missing. If he can get those in the zone he's going to be cruising today
by effin fisk on Apr 5, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Barton not hit pitches
in on his hands or something? Everyone is busting him in.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was feeble
I hope the pessimism doesn't set in as fast as the unbridled optimism around here did.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Next def is 1.2 MBpS?
Ha. Hi-Definition from my cable provider is often times 80 MBpS.
MLB should be ashamed for lying to people.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com still shows that these games are on MLB.tv
is anyone watching it?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching..
In Buenos Aires there are not much other options. It's choppy though, at 400k.
by Woodwork on Apr 5, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cant even get mlb.com to load for me
aaahhhhhhhh
by Matty I on Apr 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching,
which is thrilling on a Saturday. What happened to the Fox Saturday Baseball national blackout? Didn't Fox start that up today? Hopefully no one will notice until today's game is over.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 5, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel
Watching that catch made me nervous
by Ray Lankford on Apr 5, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how did those fly outs to center look?
are they hard hit or is Wainer looking good today?
by Matty I on Apr 5, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That ball was catchable
If I was a baserunner I'd run on anything hit to left field today.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a revolting development ...
Glaus out on a fielders choice, after a hit ... you don't see that often ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not glaus' fault
he made the right decision. Just bad luck on our part.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that ball should have been caught
not glaus' fault.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Yadi can score with Lopez out in Left
That is trainwreck in action
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced
The front office has told Al/Dan to praise Aaron Miles every damn chance they get for stuff that doesn't apply to him at all. They're bringing up how awesome he is and he isn't even in the game. We know they read El Birdos and our collective displeasure with Mr. Miles' being on the roster.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainer helps out his own cause ...
Great hit, Adam ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is Kennedy getting the start today?
I really don't understand what TLR is thinking sometimes. And I think TLR does shit like that just so he can say that people don't understand him/the game.
If there's any reason to have Miles on the club, it's to hit against lefties over Kennedy.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Whoever said our offense would struggle was wrong. Even our pitchers are driving in runs. Last night Looper...Today Waino.
by Pujols Is A God on Apr 5, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thompson had one too
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were talking about last year's start
must've gotten mixed up in their time travels.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad
pitcher's hitting stats don't count on my fantasy team.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm convinced..
Waino should hit 7th
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right handed hitters take note
Anything hit to left is a hit
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to go Izuris ...
3 hits now so far in two days ... I hope that keeps up ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is he
on the over for hits/errors now?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this...
I love watching Izturis dig balls in the hole and fire them to first. It's a welcome sight after the years of lil' Eck and his "gritty" SS play.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sic
of hearing how this team doesn't have edmonds and rolen anymore, what the hell did they do the last two years, I like watching a bunch of kids who WANT to play and bust their ass everyday than a bunch of old dudes cry about their injuries
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no need to apologize
I'm sure many people would agree.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
In my mind that's a litmus test for any "analyst" and their predictions about the Cards this year. If they say anything about the Cards struggling because of no Rolen and Edmonds, I simply dismiss their opinion because they are obviously oblivious to the reality of Edmonds and Rolen's contributions last year.
by Ray Lankford on Apr 5, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we shoud make a list
so we know who to email the "neener neener" comments to this October...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the FA list on the broadcast?
Yesterday, Dan and Al put up the FA list, and started discussing about the "big names" without jobs. David Wells, Jeff Weaver, Antonio Alfonseca, etc. Then commented on how surprising it was. Similar to the Rolen/Edmonds comments, these guys evaluate players on what they did 2-3 years ago.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to love
RBI hits with two out from the bottom of the order.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Apr 5, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another bad throw from Glaus ...
to Albert ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
Glaus is thinking too much.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Wainwright's change moves EXACTLY like his fastball according to gameday.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think lopez
would look better playing short for the cardinals than he does playing LF for washington....but i'm willing to give Cesar a shot as long as he promises not to make anymore errors and continues to get hits
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see ...
a SS that can get the ball to first without 3 crow hops and a grunt. I loved the way Eckstein played, but talent is a good thing.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got his Avg up to a respectable .250 right now ...
what's the odds of that continuing ... he is agressive looking on defense ... but he's still making errors ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately
None of the errors have hurt us yet, and he's made plays to save runs that Eck couldn't have made
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright is on a roll ...
this could be good ... this could be REAL good ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You got it, Ray ...
Good catch ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatness
How awesome was Dan's call of Ank's homer last night?
"Ohhhhh Yeaah! Way outta here!"
Dan and Al take some grief, and rightly so... but that was a great call.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan will always have me on his side just because of...
In the 9th inning the Cards blew a big lead to the Marlins about 3-4 years ago on a home run that tied the game...his call of their home run was "OH THIS IS JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU SICK".
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely love the way Rick is approaching ..
his at bats ... he has a very good eye; and with just a few exceptions, is fairly patient ... point is ... he looks good up there ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about patient
He's definitely an aggressive hitter not trying to see pitches, but he isn't hacking. There's a big and important difference.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefthander, righthander, it don't matter
Rick don't care. Rick hit ball. Rick hit ball hard.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curious
Anybody know how the "Comeback Player of the Year" Award works. Could Ankiel be considered as a candidate? Or did he play too much last year? Definitely deserves some credit for what he went through if he continues mashin' the ball this year.
by Pujols Is A God on Apr 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure...but I'd rather see Mulder win the award
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard an announcer (can't think of his name) talking about it ..
on 1380 yesterday ... they said he was eligible and they predicted he would win it ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the guy who used to work in ST. Louis ...
but is now working for the Nats ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
DYoung won last year, but wasn't Rick runner-up?
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 5, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Dan...
he took some getting used to, but he's definately my preferred play by play guy. he'd be better without Al
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see if Troy ...
Can fix his batting average against Chico today ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes
I wish Pujols wouldn't swing 3-0. I understand it, but it kind of bugs me.
(and I'm no old-schooler)
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With a runner on 2nd I don't mind it
Someone is going to have to get a hit to drive that guy in and the best hitter in the game with a fastball probably dead center that he can attempt to perform fission on isn't a bad one to have do it.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So yeah, I'm in the other room
hooked up my laptop up to the hi-def
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What tuner card do you use?
I tried doing that with my Laptop and it just could not handle the HD
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 5, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hooked up the monitor
cable to the HDTV and then selected 'Monitor Output' in Display properties.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody see Pujols throw a fake punch at Belliard?
That was amusing.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha!
that was awesome i didn't see it the first time but I hit the rewind on it....that was great
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
belly didn't flinch
gotta respect him for that...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seriously needs to relax
Needs a Matty Mo or Jeff Weaver to turn him into a space cowboy
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give him time.
It's still the first week. I'm sure he'll relax sooner than later.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could this be Yadi's breakout year at the plate???
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to go Yadi !!!
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, ...
Yadi heard that GG takes offense into consideration, too.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yadi refuses to make outs
Take that, gold glove votes
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What...
Would Yadi's breakout year consist of?
.280 avg, 20 HR?
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he'd get mvp votes
with a season like that...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'd work for me just fine, but AP said Yadi WILL bat for .300
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Alberts says it, I believe it
"Don't pack your bags, we're not going back to San Deigo"
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freakin right!!
Of course Juan Gone didn't pan out (Thank God)
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a bit much...
i'd say .280 10 hr 60 rbi
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I don't know where I dreamed up that 20 HR.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy's looking pretty good, isn't he?
That would be a welcome change from last year ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's got his average up to .444 ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan just said
Ankiel was taken in the 72nd round of the '97 draft
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor guy had to wait a while didn't he ;)
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know...
thats one thing I can't stand about the cardinals broadcasters....the NEVER correct each other or themselves. I understand the occasional slip of the tongue, and I usually know what they mean, but the 8 year old kid at home probably doesnt
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lance Berkman just left the Astros game
with a head/neck injury per my Cellphone.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your cellphone did what to his head/neck?
by Pujols Is A God on Apr 5, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theft deterrent
grubby little hands.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw the Replay feature on Gameday ..
for the first time ... how cool is that! I love the new format they've got ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how
how do you get to the replay feature?
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 5, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love
How Barton's hat flies off when he runs.
Manny being Manny? Try Brian being Brian.
(stupid. sorry.)
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang
Crabman lost his hat on the play.. The locks refuse to be contained
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, um...stupid question but does anyone know how
to go back to watching tthe games on the old media player after I've installed silverlight?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unintstall Silverlight
Go to control panel, add/remove programs, uninstall Silverlight.
Then re-log into MLB and it will give you a choice to use the old (and superior) media player.
Silverlight blows.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it doesn't allow me to see the mms address to record the stream.
Screw Microsoft.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should start a count ...
on how many times Barton loses his cap this season ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Make a drinking game out of it
That and how many long fly balls just at the track Franklin allows on the season
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chug a beer
everytime Barton loses his hat. Take a shot if he does it on an extra base hit
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's see
1 drink for when Barton losses his hat.
3 for when Troy Glaus fails at a play Rolen would have made.
5 for Franklin's shot's to the track.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to that
I'll have to have my stomach pumped after every 8th inning
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That get's you prepped for
1 drink when Izzy walks a batter.
Finish your drink when Izzy blows a save.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played the Bill Simmons' John Mellencamp drinking game a couple years ago
That was dangerous but god damn if this isn't ouuuuuuuuuuur country.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD!
that's going to be on sportscenter
by bosman on Apr 5, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles
totally would have covered that ground. His "grittiness" would have got him there.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His
"heart" and "hustle" would have willed him to that ball.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony.
I didn't know you were on here. I figured you were busy.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony had a hunch that play would happen today
that's why he started Adam over Miles against a lefty.
Don't question his genius...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy is looking REAL good ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan cracks me up
Kennedy could EASILY be 2 for 2....
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OF course he could
all he needed was 1 more hit.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright is getting hammered
yeesh.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear down, Adam ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
Can't wait for that Giants series.
Speaking of Giants, Steve Kline is on waivers. Do the Cards bite?
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stay away ...
from guys that are too old/incompetent for the Giants.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cost
Per Rotoworld:
Giants released LHP Steve Kline.
Any team can now sign him at the league-minimum, with the Giants picking up the rest of his $1.75 million salary. Nobody came forward looking to trade for Kline in the past week, but at this cheap, he should garner some interest on the waiver wire.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm also cheap
My fastball tops out at 35mph, but I'll sign for 50 cents on the year
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine tops out at about 60 and i'm 26 years old...
does that mean i have more upside than you?
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
i guess tony/dunc would probably take you instead
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to do this but...
That there is why A-Rey is not in the rotation. The complete inability to avoid the big inning. Way to go Adam!
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glaus' throws make my backside pucker
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why you guys are so anti-Glaus
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
I'm very very pro-Troy Glaus...Troy Glaus' bat. But he isn't in there for his fielding and his throws are not premier.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but I think his offense will more than make up for his lack of
defense, Rolen hasn't hit the last 2 or 3, I too loved Scotty's D
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
But that doesn't mean his throws don't make me pucker up.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difficult act to follow.
Rolen was so good defensively, that Glaus looks really bad. I don't think we appreciated just how much value there was to Rolen's arm and accuracy. That said, Glaus' offense will be more help than his defense will hurt.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen would have made that play....
Oh wait, Glaus DID make that play
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to go, Adam!!! ...
the kid can suck it up when he needs to ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be a broken record ...
but another bad throw from Glaus ... this guy is looking much worse defensively than I ever could have imagined ... he does have 10 years in the bigs, right? ... it sure doesn't look like it ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
some people
will look for any reason to bitch. My God people...
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan on Wellemeyer:
"he's a reader".
He pretty much just said "I once saw him reading a book without pictures in it"
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis has his OPS up to .804 now ...
wow ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
then gets caught stealing ...
oh well ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cost a run too ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be best...
If nobody got offended by this.
But I really want a poster of Brian Barton that looks something like this:
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You win
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish goof ball hadn't been picked off...
The hat almost came off DAMN wanted to drink
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
He Kept his helmet on!
"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog
by cyko42 on Apr 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the helmet stays on!
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Izturis would have scored if
he didn't suck at baserunning.
But YAY for Barton's triple!!!!!
(Remember when we were worried he was going to get dumped for Juan Gone.)
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he probably would've
had juan gone not got hurt
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as he earns it....
(and he will)
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't have a problem with that.
It's not Skip's job in stone either. And that position is pretty expendable as it is. Once Rasmus comes up, there goes the leadoff / CF spot, which is really Skip's main strength.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus, Ank, Barton and I hate it that Ludwick's riding pine
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compare to ...
Coleman, McGee, VanSlyke better than any OF defense we've had since.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think rasmus
has gotta bat 2nd in front of pujols and behind the 9-1 hitters to maximize his production
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that works,
I really like that outfield
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Barton leads off.
I agree with you. Two big OBP guys. "Damage" in the 2 spot. Moves Ank to 4 and Glaus to 5. Molina at 6. Sounds pretty good.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather molina bat 7th
but can't do that with the feebleness of the 2b/ss combo
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Molina ...
is going to become a better RBI guy than you've seen up to now. He seems to have a knack for hitting at the right times.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB for Albert
Popup for Glaus.. damn
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has this
already happened? do you see into the future? or, is gameday audio that slow?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.. just an educated guess
But I was wrong. Albert knew this and got overanxious
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he walks a lot,
but it feels like Pujols is getting walked at a ridiculous rate so far.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Apr 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
There is no way you give him anything to hit here.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston just broke it open with the Cubs ..
It's 5-2 ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno if I'd call a 3 run lead broken open
As much as I dislike the Cubs, they can put up a crooked number pretty quick. Esp with Houston's bullpen being what it is.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said 'open' not 'wide open' ...
jeesh ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snoop Dogg
Was the first name that came to mind when I saw Barton. Glad to know i wasn't the only one
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think crabman is more appropriate
Look wise, and if you consider that Barton is an Aerospace engineer.. not something that aligns well with Snoop's lifestyle
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabman doesn't really jibe with Barton either technically
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he does
It's implied that crabman acts simple to cover up his true identity as an international spy.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a bummer ...
One on third and one out ... Ankiel & Albert up and don't score ... ouch ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh
Personally I don't think they look anything alike. Plus, Barton smiles. And runs. I haven't seen Snoop do either of those in years.
by six on Apr 5, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but they are both black
so it is very clever to say they look alike. or something.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Snoop played baseball
he would defintely dress like Barton does.
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a uniform?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think VEB needs to make up shirts
for Barton and sell them.
They can be generic red shirts with white font on them but we need a solid slogan for the second coming of ET.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Baseball isn't Rocket Science" ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ouch.
Glaus, "What'd you want me to do, dive for it?"
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he dove
there was no way even rolen gets to that ball, if you're talking about the one milledge hit. I thought it was foul on the replay.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just playin'.
It was a pretty ugly stumble, though.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hitting is simple physics"
and some crazy long equation that fills up the whole back
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice, I still like a pic of Barton in white on the front and "Anybody seen my hat?" on the back
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Or, something like "This isn't rocket science"
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd buy that one.
also like: "why yes, I AM a rocket scientist"...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unrelated to the game today...
But I think most of you will enjoy this. Awful Announcing (a great blog) is running a series right now called "Homer Call of the Day." They are going to post a home run call from the primary television announcer for all 30 MLB teams.
Thursday's was the D'Backs' Darren Sutton (I give it a 3.5 out of 10):
http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/search/label/Homer%20Call%20Of%20The%20Day
I'm thinking Dan's from Friday night would make a good post.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
though
Homer call "of the day" is probably a misleading title because they aren't doing them daily... more like a couple per week.
by udcardinals on Apr 5, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
firejoemorgan.com
is my favorite
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton's swing is so amazing
Awesome bat speed, the Prince Fieldery finish I love it.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Dan ask stupid questions?
And then answer them himself?
"A play?"
"You bet...MAAHHHLLLLIIINNNAAA WITH THE CATCH!!!!1!!1!"
"I need a towel"
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe we're not winning this game ...
by more than 4-1 right now ... I thought we'd pounce this guy out of the game ... 13 LOB ... keep pitching Adam ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to Go, Adam!!!
Good ole' double play ... now, let's chase Chico ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And there's your 5th quality start in a row ...
how 'bout that pitching staff! ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid mlb extra innings
i wake up late after having too many franklins last night and its blacked out
damn
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES Franklins, we have not forgotten,
did you see the new drinking game above?
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i didnt
time to look
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
found it
wow, i wouldnt have woke up today if we played that
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, let's play with the
"It's not Rocket Science idea" and nail this sucker down so I can make a mockup of it tonight.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about
Rocket Science IS easier!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to be a rocket scientist...
but it doesn't hurt
by swade on Apr 5, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
I like that one.. maybe a photo of Barton in a labcoat swinging the bat?
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this might be the winner.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lab coat with
"I'd rather be hitting triples"
by apierce on Apr 5, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Baseball Isn't Rocket Science" ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about ..
It's not rocket science....but it sure does pay better!
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chico has 108 pitches ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FRONT - "It's not rocket science"
BACK -
1. D = m
V
D = density
m = mass
V volume
Also: V = m
d
m = V × D
2. d = v × t
d = total distance
v = average velocity
t = time
3.d = ½at²
d = total distance
a = acceleration
t = time
Also: a = 2d
t²
4. F = m × a
F = net force
m = mass
a = acceleration
5. p = m × v
p = momentum
m = mass
v = velocity
6. W = F × d
W = work
F = force
d = distance
7. P = W
t
P = power
W = work
t = time
8. P = F × v
P = power
F = force
v = velocity
9. V = W
q
V = electrical potential difference
W work done
q = electric charge
10. I = q
t
I = electric current
q = electric charge flowing
t = time
11. W = V × I × t
W = electrical energy
V = voltage
I = current
t = time
12. P = V × I
P = power
V = voltage
I = current
13.V = I × R (Ohm's Law)
V = volts
I = current (amps)
R = resistance
Also: I = V
R
R = V
I
14.v = u + at
v = final velocity
u = initial velocity
a = acceleration
t = time
15.KE = ½mv²
KE = kinetic energy
m = mass
v = velocity
16.E = mc²
E = energy
m = mass
c = speed of light
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These are the easy ones
Maybe go with Maxwell's equations
Not easy to paste in here...
by apierce on Apr 5, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to put STL cardinals and Barton's mug somewhere
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't use copyrighted
or trademarked images.
It'll just be text.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
if we could come up with a clever formula that was relative to Brian, this could work very well.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing on Barton
But if Izzy gets in the game I like the nickname The Rubber Hammer of God.
A rubber hammer will pound something down alright but will bounce back at you upon impact, possibly hurting the user.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Apr 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sooo.. who's got the 8th and 9th?
Izzy's pitched 2 games in a row, Springer's on the DL, Kyle looked shaky last night.. and Franklin is.. uuhh..
Flat Bill time?
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
adam back out to wrap up 8
then A REY
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont know what al is talking about
i dont really have time to check the wiki, but i doubt theres any movie theater mentioned in take me out to the ball game
by krippledmaster on Apr 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright's got 91 pitches ...
Do you put him in the 8th ... or go the pen right away ... I vote put him in the 8th, and hope for a short inning ... otherwise, take him out after the first hit/walk ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
leave him in
He's generally efficient. Plus, his last outing was short b/c of the rain.
by tom s. on Apr 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like you are going to be right.
Nobody is up in the pen.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man mlb gameday is tight
this is the first time ive ever seen it
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip, walk, run
So far this year, the guy nicknamed for a form of locomotion has walks and runs, but no hits. Maybe we should re-christen him "Slap" Schumaker.
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't he have to ...
at least "slap" on in for a hit first?
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll hit
the fact that he's taking walks is a very encouraging sign.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on Apr 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you like the ...
right/left platoon out of the leadoff spot? I'm not a big fan, but it seems to be shaping up that way. I prefer the leadoff hitter to be a fixed, everyday type of player. I think that spot sets the tone for the offense, and I think inconsistency affects that.
Curious on any thoughts.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks good to me
I don't see a problem here. "Sets the tone for the offense"? Meh. Having someone lead off who can get on base is what sets the tone.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
found it
there is no mention of people singing in the theater, but there was a movie called "take me out to the ballgame"
"The first verse of the 1927 version is sung by Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra at the start of the MGM musical film, Take Me Out to the Ball Game (1949), a movie that also features a song about the famous and fictitious double play combination, O'Brien to Ryan to Gol" --wiki
by krippledmaster on Apr 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flores
Washingtons C has been incredibly busy digging pitches out of the dirt.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
colome
has a nice fastball - 97 & 98 each time per gameday.
by tom s. on Apr 5, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think gameday is reading 1-2 high this year.
It appears to be measuring "speed out of hand" not mid flight.
by DriverZn on Apr 5, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good movement, too.
His ball is lively at the speed. He looks like Jose Jimenez with a little better fastball.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh..
more shameless plugs for hrabosky's bar
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dammit
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bounce back TO Wainwright, actually
Nice recovery, Adam.
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's in the pen?
I guess flores or franklin before reyes in the ninth.
by tom s. on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston is imploding in the 7th
Five runs in, runner on second with two outs.
by BTown Birds fan on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great day, Adam ...
I'd assume he's done now ... Is Izzy available today? Who gets the ninth? Reyes?
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Game for Wagonmaker!
But now who's closing?
by hannah_in_va on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
complete game
?
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's tempting ...
but I wouldn't push his pitch count this early in the season ... it's a long haul ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can just see Dave banging his head right now.
by DriverZn on Apr 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Banging his head?
You do know that he has as much, if not more input into the decision as TLR, right?
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just basing it on his previous comments
That Reyes wasn't suited to relief (Or pitching in the majors). Now they have to use him in a save situation. He cannot be happy.
by DriverZn on Apr 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great !!! ...
Strike out the side again, Anthony ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't that be something
Reyes w/ his 1st save!
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good day for Ludz ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting..
are they doing this to try and pump value?
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't hurt, but ...
the bullpen is pretty used and abused after the last few games. Reyes should be the guy.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes ...
but, it's his turn ... if he's a normal bullpen guy ... I don't know how the L/R splits line up, though ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reyes
is reyes getting over the slow warm ups or was he getting too warmed up last year?
by sbentley on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope it's so we build his confidence and finally let him
be the highly touted prospect he was
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reyes is watching the game more than he's warming up
Someone tell the kid to throw some warmup pitches lets he continue on his yo-yo path
by effin fisk on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we're going to have all of these trade chips what are we
going to be trading for?
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Reyes...
closer of the future ;-)
you never know though
does anyone know what his feelings on hotdogs is?
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have said
butt ends of hotdogs
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been nice if
WW could have batted for himself there, even knowing he's not coming back out next inning. Let him get the applause ... plus he may be a better hitter than Dunc until the injury clears up.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this true?
Cesar Izturis cost us 2 runners on the bases today?
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice eye Dunc
Did he get lasek in the offseason too?
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
holy crap...
thats gotta be the worst PR in history
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
picthing change
who are they bringing in now?
by sbentley on Apr 5, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Edmonds activated from DL today
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any idea if he'll make a rehab start/extended spring?
I ask because I live in Portland where the AAA Padres affiliate plays.. I'd love to see Jimmy up close at PGE.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think so...
otherwise he wouldn't have been activated
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pinch runner for Duncan ???
Or is that hamstring doing better than we were told ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
updates
yall are gonna make me buy mlb.tv!
I see what happens in print, before I hear it happen on gameday audio. It is about 19-20 seconds behind the game... rediculous
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
welley
pitch runner?
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wellemyer
trips... breaks ankle.... tony's a genius for making room for healthy pitchers coming back...
by redbirddude on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You certainly don't want Duncan running...
Do you?
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no but...
miles and washington are on the bench
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad
Wellemeyer's not going to do anything stupid here, and TLR has been burned before (as have we all...) through having an empty bench in extra innings.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
king
why didn't they put him in to face Duncan?
by tom s. on Apr 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's make some patties ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm picturing...
... the creepy, puppet-headed dude from the commercials.
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'll probably be their next commercial, except he'd be in a yanks uniform
by sbentley on Apr 5, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so any idea why
they brought in the lefty to face the right handed hitter?
when they idnt form Dunc?
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
duh
yes, he is.
my mistake.
even though when you are such a poor hitter does it really matter which way you face?
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Barton has got to be loving
not getting these last 2 ABs.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying
that Barton is not a team player?
Ok Skippy... you're starting. Now START HITTING!
by stltrav09 on Apr 5, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How scary ...
do you think it was for AK to see Burger King blocking the plate?
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll take'm any way we can get'em ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes is watching
his save disappear before his eyes here
Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....
by Schnake on Apr 5, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Tony anticipated a huge inning here
he knew we'd have more than a 3-run lead, so Reyes wouldn't be getting a save, but an inning of work in a low-pressure situation.
by effin fisk on Apr 5, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
big Shu
only 40 feet shy of the granny
by jealousblues on Apr 5, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since the passed ball emptied a base....
... I assume you meant the old lady in the stands just over the LF wall?
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see how reyes reacts in a save situation than a non-save one.
1 drink for each Reyes strikeout.
Finish drink for save by reyes.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time to refill those franklins
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness ... 18 LOB today ...
Alright ... we need three quick outs ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about this formula
Front of Shirt:
"Baseball isn't Rocket Science"
Back of Shirt:
(V+a)+(F+P)
----------------- = LF
Ep + W
Basically
(Speed + Acceleration) + (Force + Momentum)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Potential Energy + Work
= Left Field
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally, did anyone get a pitch count on WW?
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
107
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he'll give up flyballs
we know this. no worries yet.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was about 8 feet short of the track
but towards the corner.
It was a well hit ball.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
liner toward the right field corner
Lud grabbed it running away from the diamond so he couldn't throw
by ubeddie on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the way from Washington
getting his back treated on?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless telporting technology has been developed
He's in Washington with a bad back
by cloistermaximus on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watched Izzy.
Thinks at least one RISP required for save.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PS
We should always have our three best defensive outfielders behind Reyes.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ball 2 pitch to first batter
was strike 3. Geez.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One down ... two more ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is he leaving pitches up
looks like it on gameday
by sbentley on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yikes
thank god for that insurance run
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damnit ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan visits the mound.
How'd you like to be a fly on the mound?
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
see above for
comment about being able to avoid big inning
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope we hang on for Wainer to get the win.
It would stink if he loses this win.
by birdsonthehat on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man
the alcohol sellers are going to make alot of money on franklins this year
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to catch me up on the Franklins
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
... we just found out who goes to Memphis when Pineiro is ready.
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what Jimenez does first ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Al detracting from his what Reyes did in the WS?
Reyes has not been good very often but Al can blow it out his ass if he tries to make it sound like the start against the Tigers was all the ballpark.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I heard.
Al seemed to be explaining that Reyes would have given up HRs if they weren't in Detroit.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's bullshit.
Knock the kid when he gives up gofers like he did today but give him a little credit when he's due.
by azruavatar on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 flyballs in a row...
boone flied out
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's pulling Reyes w/ 2 outs in the 9th
and Guzman up? Geez!
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um
Guzman is hitting .556 against LHP... only .200 against Righties. WTF?!?!
by punditmoi on Apr 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
REALLY ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics of small numbers
He's a switcher, and historically, he has essentially zero platoon split.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzman raked one
hitting lefty yesterday adn TLR wants to keep it in the park
by ubeddie on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't let Reyes get the save after giving up
a HR. It's not 'Old School' baseball right.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony's an arsehole ...
But Anthony didn't do himself any favors ... We won though ... that's what matters ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
save?
one pitch save? how does that work?
Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....
by Schnake on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
i mean does that qualify?
Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....
by Schnake on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get out your brooms ...
SWEEP ... SWEEP ... SWEEP ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a Wiener!!!
What a start ... 4-1 ... Way to go guys ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's your first place Cardinals ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flyball from Flores
will be praised, I'm sure.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who woulda thought.
Two series. Two series wins.
by etp_stl on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reyes
could have given up another long fly too!!!
by okiecardfan on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be nice to actually be able to watch the game tomorrow
gotta restock the franklins
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did we even have a 4-game win streak last season?
by tom s. on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Finished the year with a 5-game streak, in fact. Baseball-reference.com ...
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is safe to say
that will be the last we ever see of Anthony Reyes this season.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mop up duty
the starters will have bad days like 5 ER in 2 IP and then AR will get to go till his arm hurts.
IMHO, TLR's move wasn't vindictive. Flores warmed up in the 8th so he was ready and Guzman has more power lefty than righty, not much but he did rake one yesterday. DC announcers even agreed with the move.
by ubeddie on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Flores looks like the better pitcher right now, which is a frightening thought.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you base that on
the 5 batters Flores has faced this year? Flores is bad. He just hasn't had a chance to show it yet.
by chuckb on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes
Didn't help his cause there.
Though Tony seemed to have liked it.
"I thought Reyes...If we did a better job positioning Ludwick..would have been an out. He left the one ball up. But he got his two outs. I was impressed."
But hey. That's just Tony trashing Reyes in public again.
by Evilfrog on Apr 5, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think tony plays mind games with us too
who knows whats going on
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 5, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schtick getting a bit old there, Evilfrog.
Get some new material. Or at least change your wording.
No Es Bueno!
by the red baron on Apr 5, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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