We have some trade chips, what do we need?
by jjray on Apr 4, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
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Anthony Reyes just raised his trade value substantially. Mozeliak's instances that Reyes remain on the 25 man roster against the wishes LaDuncan has just paid dividends. But there is really nowhere for Anthony Reyes to go in this organization. As the injured starters (Pineiro, Mulder, Carpenter, Clement) come off the DL, current starters will be returned to the bullpen. And then there is Josh Kinney. Soon, current bullpen members will be voted off the island. Reyes and McClellan are the obvious choices (both with options). Gee, who gets more love from Duncan? They both may have to go to Memphis in the first half of this year.
It just makes sense that the Cards will deal A. Rey early this season. And isn't Colby Rasmus one of the three best OFers in the Cardinals organization right now? C. Duncan can't stay healthy. The big boy is a DH / 1B waiting to happen. Let's say we package A. Rey and C Duncan. What are we looking for in return? My vote would be for a middle infielder who can start immediately. Any thoughts on this topic?
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How about Schumaker or Ludwick too?
Once Rasmus comes up, I don't see a long-term place for both of them. And if Barton develops into a regular, then there would be even less playing time for them. I've been stumping for Josh Barfield to play 2B for months now. The Indians sent him to Triple-A to start the season. We have nothing to lose by offering some combination of Reyes, Schu/Ludwick and Duncan.
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by TurdFerguson on Apr 4, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
infield
I agree with trading an outfielder. I think Duncan is highly overrated and if we could swap him for an infield PROSPECT that would be great. I don't think there are many teams that are interested in giving up anything better than we have on the team already though.
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need a new manager
more than anything else that I can think of at the moment.
Seriously, I'd like to get a real hot AA shortstop prospect for the long term needs of the team. I highly doubt Kouzma will meet the long term major league SS slot.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on Apr 4, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about LaRussa + Shumaker/Miles
to Washington for Acta?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 4, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
if they allow you to trade managers. if you could, i think larussa would be worth every bit of a danny haren. thats right, "danny." it makes me angry when people call him dan.
by krippledmaster on Apr 4, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Variation
Trade Hardcore for the mustache of Mex, give it to LaRussa, Jerry Curl his bangs. We end up with Mexussa and Hardcore gets a spot on Keith's 25 accessory vanity case. Also, we get to see what might happen after 3.3 games with what we already got.
Other mysteries remain. TL
by BKKCard on Apr 4, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 years
I think we all know what to expect from LaRussa, except when it comes to when to use relievers. Some days, he just throws the cards up in the air and picks the one that lands face up.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 4, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be great
Gotta admire what they turn out down in Atlanta. That shortstop they have looks like the real deal. Would be nice to see a consistent return on talent like they get.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians...
have great depth in the SP department, with: CC, Fausto, Byrd, Lee, Westbrook and then Elarton, Laffey, Adam Miller, and Jeremy Sowers at AAA. So they won't be needing A-Rey or any kind of pitching of the MLB ready variety. They also are stacked in the outfield with Francisco sitting in AAA and at 1B/DH with Garko/Hafner. I don't know who they would want from us if we were to attempt to acquire Barfield. The indians seemed stacked at every position.
by BeastlyAlbert5 on Apr 4, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson just raised his trade value
while we are at it.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 4, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot more than Reyes, too
1 IP doesn't DRASTICALLY improve ARey's value. But it's certainly a step in the right direction.
by effin fisk on Apr 4, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are stocked
I say we keep everyone .
At most see if we can get Hardin but we already have like 7 or 8 starters not counting all the kids in the lower ranks due up.
Can we get Yunel Escobar?(pipe dream)
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 4, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im not brainwashed
I think La Russa is doing a fantastic job with all trouble with injuries over the past few years. He isnt the GM. If we had any other manager in baseball we would probably have been close to last place every year since 2004. He gets more out of nothing than ANYONE out there. That said, he is too devoted to the OLD guard.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ZZZZ...ZZZZZ
Day dreams of the Renteria days. He never should have been allowed to leave.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One goalie's opinion...
Renteria leaving was due more to his agents looking for the biggest contract possible than the best "fit" for Edgar; he's a better player without the media attention he suffered through in Boston. St. Louis, Atlanta, and Detroit are all "lower pressure" clubs, with more-prominent players to take the "spotlights", allowing Edgar to just play...
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Apr 4, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
If Renteria wasn't allowed to leave, we would have not had the Red Sox pick in the 2005 draft. Goodbye Colby Rasmus
by Glowsticks on Apr 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Didnt realize thats where that pick came from. Guess a few years of crowhops from behind the mound didnt hurt all that bad.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts...
is 31( too old, 2B don't age well). Plus, we aren't in the position to acquire a 2B right now b/c we have invested $4.9 m towards the 2008 "tandem" of Miles/Kennedy.
by BeastlyAlbert5 on Apr 4, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we really have a surpluss of starting pitching?
Aside from Piniero and Carpenter, I have no faith that Mulder or Clement will be able to rebound from injuries. I haven't seen any real statistical or case-study analysis, but the anecdotal evidence suggests that the prospect of recovering from shoulder surgeries with real effectiveness is grim. I think we should probably hold onto our starting pitching until the big guys have demonstrated big league numbers in their rehab starts in AA which, as I suggested, it's a long shot.
Maybe we should trade Looper, though, because he's expensive and it's his walk year. Our obvious need is a middle-infielder with OBP and can hit lefties (I really don't like Miles).
I would actually be really interested in undertaking the pitching project: look at various statistics of pitchers pre-surgery and post-surgery (maybe focusing on k-rate, walk-rate, RA, DIPS, etc), maybe control for age and look at the results. I'm familiar with regression analysis/econometrics, but have never applied it to baseball. If anyone familiar with baseball data analysis wants to work on it with me, I would be excited.
"The steak may be tough, but you can always slide your fork through the gravy."
by KennyWang on Apr 4, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can NEVER
have enough pitching. ;)
by DenverCardsFan on Apr 5, 2008 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've finished 3 games this season
and there's already a trade thread up.
by azruavatar on Apr 4, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking.
I got as far as this before I faltered:
"Anthony Reyes just raised his trade value substantially."
That's right, the first sentence. Has he really? One inning pitched and you think his stock is skyrocketing?
Give me a break. Next time he could come out and get shelled. It's one game. This is the ultimate sample size mishap. A-Rey's stock is just where it was two days ago.
by mojowo11 on Apr 4, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no break
Reyes substantially raised his trade value for two reasons: (a) he touched 94 with his fastball and (b) he threw a tight hook for strikes in an MLB game. These are two things we did not see last year. They are important steps and up his value. If you want to trash someone over the word, "substantial", fine, be small to boost your own feeling of worth. Message boards are for the quibbling so blast away. Reyes is being shopped and that one lone inning will certainly stir the discussion.
by jjray on Apr 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touching 94 in relief
doesn't mean he can do that as a starter. One inning of relief is not going to substantially change a clubs offer concerning him. The clubs that were interested before the end of Spring Training are the only ones who are interested now and obviously there wasn't a substantial enough offer or Reyes wouldn't be here.
by azruavatar on Apr 4, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the 94 was especially meaningful
and I'll allow that it's a positive sign, 1 IP doesn't substantially increase his trade value...period. Aaron Miles threw a perfect inning last year. Incidentally, just b/c 1 IP may "stir the discussion" in message boards, particularly the p-d message boards, doesn't mean that he substantially increased his value.
by chuckb on Apr 4, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
early for a reason
It may be early in the season for the thread but I think Reyes gets traded before we are out of April. He was definitely on the market during ST and is only on the 25 man roster to be showcased for a trade. Absent more injuries to our starting pitchers, I think he is gone.
by jjray on Apr 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson
is blocked right now by Molina and the Red Sox are looking for a future catcher.
As for players that are on our big league roster now, I can see Skip/Ludwick/Barton being traded.
Something would have to be pretty tempting to move Dunc/Reyes.
Our only gaping hole is prob future SS.
by rmtx97 on Apr 4, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton cannot be traded
he is a rule 5 pick up. We would have trade Cleveland for him and then trade him but other than that he stays on the 25 man or Cleveland can buy him back for $25,000.
by DJ4508 on Apr 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a tad off the subject
Barton is one ugly dude!!!!!
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
he could be traded without having to offer him back but the team he was traded to had to keep him on the ML roster all year...isnt that what happen to Josh Hamilton....Cubs drafted him and then traded him to the Reds...I could be wrong...
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on Apr 4, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson now has Arni Cruz chasing him down playing C as well as 3B.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Apr 4, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
outfielders
I dont think these guys are as highly appreciated outside st louis. I doubt any of them are going to bring much in return. Reyes would probably bring mediocre returns but the outfielders arent that special.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lofton
I know its been talked about many times, but if we would trade an outfielder or two whats so wrong with a year of kenny lofton?? If we plan on keeping barton around he might pick up a thing or two.
HEEE HEHEHE BIG BOY- mike shannon
by plunkem on Apr 4, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please........
Everythings wrong with a year of Kenny Lofton...like wearing a Cards uniform AFAIC. Especially when the last thing we need are OFers and one more guy you might refer to as ugly. LOL!
Barton is young, fast and free and handsome! Im thinking we stole the guy!
Besides...Kenny Lofton is right where he needs to be right now. Somebody will sign him July 31st tho...
"Anthony, you have everybody all stirred up again, I want you to cut that out....right now!" Anthony Reye's Mom
by cardschinmusic on Apr 5, 2008 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers...
Folks,
The Detroit Tigers are in dire need of bullpen help at the moment.
I know they remember what ARey did to them in the WS.
Don't know what they have left in the system after the deal with the Marlins.
by RDF922 on Apr 4, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we trade Pineiro, Mulder, Looper and
Clement later. Why not keep the youngsters around? If they don't look like they are going to improve by the end of the season, there are lots of nice free agents to be in 2009......I have never thought much of Pineiro, folks injured like Mulder rarely come back to anything like their former selves, and Looper will be a free agent going into his 35 year season. I want them to put #23 back into the rotation. One thing he has shown all spring is command and control and that is what made him so good when he was in the minors. He didn't have that last season, and now that he does, he seems primed for a breakout IMO. I would hate for it to happen on someone else's mound.
He is tradeable, easily, and the Cards are probably asking for too much.....or maybe there is someone in the organization who just doesn't want to cut the chord on him. Hampton's out, Pedro's out, Phillies are a mess on the mound, Nats are always willing to take on the "problem" children, and there's a rumor the Royals would like him. Mr. Mozeliak needs to get on the phone...unless maybe he really doesn't want to.
I mean it seems like he's available like Brian Roberts is available......only for a kings ransom.....
I said I wasn't going to comment on (#23) anymore....but since I didn't start the thread, maybe you all can forgive me. I'm going back to reading my new Richard Russo book.
You all have a nice day.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 4, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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