Game 29 Overflow Thread

Wainwright vs. Hill - Battle of curveballs
Piniero vs. Lilly - Piniero on the rise, Lilly falling to earth
Wellemeyer vs. Marquis—Emerging power pitcher against Betty.

by liam on Apr 30, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lets keep the card train running

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

time for a chicken dinner

by effin fisk on Apr 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice month of April Boys

Winnah.. And now in 1st place alone. At least ‘till tonight (and after if the Brew crew can play some good baseball)

by cloistermaximus on Apr 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

let's hope about 19 innings of good baseball.

by tom s. on Apr 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah. save the 19 inning game for Thursday

by cloistermaximus on Apr 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd prefer 22.5 innings in three days

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Apr 30, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*idiot

25.5

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Apr 30, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Franchise Record Month of April—thats got a nice ring to it!

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." Bob Gibson

by jodicards on Apr 30, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Izzy still has trouble getting ahead of guys

He gets in trouble when he falls behind. Oh well… I’ll take the uneventful save any day!

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(now accepting applications)

by stltrav09 on Apr 30, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My main contention is just to plug him along even though he’s not hitting stride. I really want him to get to 300 saves, and with the injury risk, sooner rather than later. That boy flat out deserves 300.

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 30, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So lets just lose the first game of every series from now on

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sounds good to me, except i’ve got tickets to fridays game and i really want to see a win!
I like going out in STL after a cards vs cubs when the good guys win!

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." Bob Gibson

by jodicards on Apr 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, this was nice to see

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/3/31/388101/play-ball#4304035

Should we expect 18-19 wins this month
going back and looking at the schedule breakdown, it seems somewhat realistic that if this team will be any good at all, they can easily win 18-19 out of their 29 games against weak opponents this month.

by Hardcore Legend

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 30, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Own Horn

tooted.

Very nice!

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Apr 30, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, we fared pretty well

against the Brewers. but faltered a bit against the Giants. this cubs series will set the tone for a while I think, as to how we can go up against “good” teams. when do we play the d-backs btw?

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 30, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

September

1-3

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well done ;)

I thought you were crazy at the time, IIRC… I was just hoping to be within reach of .500 right now.

How about our schedule so far though- 29 games in april, plus the rainout game, one day off tomorrow, and then 20 straight to start May, with the last 4 games of a road trip against the brewers in Milwuakee. If I was a cynical man I’d say the schedule-makers were trying to challenge us.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 30, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and I would say

“bring it on schedule makers… with your snottly little schedule and your silly disdain for the middle america team… we scoff at you!”

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 30, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poor outing by Izzy, I presume.

He didn’t get any ground ball outs. Not a one. (Just kidding, just kidding.)

Great to “see” Mike Lincoln back in the league. Goold said this morning he contacted the Cards over the winter and got no interest. Not complaining about that. Just glad for Lincoln.

by Youneverknow on Apr 30, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cubs play 2 before we take the field again

Hopefully the extra rest will give us an extra edge.

by redbird2006 on Apr 30, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lets hope their bullpen gets taxed

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 30, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they could be

1 game ahead of us then at best

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 30, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

heres to the brew crew...

beating up on the cubbies

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." Bob Gibson

by jodicards on Apr 30, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 scenarios

Cubs with a half game lead
or half game behind
or the brewers could be tied with us

by redbird2006 on Apr 30, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He meant on Friday

So if they win tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we’d be down by a game going into the weekend series.

by liam on Apr 30, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Half game

Right now we’re a half-game up

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 30, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tap out.

by liam on Apr 30, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brewers could only get to 17-11 if they sweep

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 30, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

pitch counts

There was a lot of talk about Wainwright throwing 125 pitches over the weekend. Should we be concerned that Looper stayed out for 114 today? It’s not like Looper is that much more conditioned to be a starter than Wainwright – plus, he only lasted six innings.

by kblakestl on Apr 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

More worried about looper short term, WW long term

Looper most liked was pitching more tired than Adam was so in the short term I am more worried about Looper than Adam. But long term wear and tear (end of this season and beyond) I am much more worried about Adam staying healthy and being a good pitcher.

by StLHugo on Apr 30, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not just numbers

its about how the pitchers looked as they threw >100 pitches. Wainwright, in addition to getting over 110 pitches, looked to be completely out of gas in the 9th and Tony let him stay in there to get the CG – that worries me.

In Looper’s case, I didn’t see the game, so I dunno how he looked. Its not all about conditioning either…the body adapts pretty well to workload once the program is switched. Looper has a full year of starting under his belt, so he’s conditioned to do this…it’s just a matter of him having the stuff to get through a lineup 3x.

by silent_bob on Apr 30, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Each pitch isn't the same.

The idea is that in general each pitch is worse than the previous one. So 25 pitches isn’t twice as bad as 14 pitches over 100. It’s like 100 trillion times worse (or something like that)

It’s like warp speed on Star Trek. Warp 2 is like twice the speed of light while Warp 6 is like 46,000 times the speed of light. (Est. – My tech manual is not in arms length and it’s not worth opening up another window.)

by Harknights on Apr 30, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

safe?

by Evilfrog on Apr 30, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The better question is

when did Brian Giles become an umpire?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 30, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or is that Joe Buck?

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 30, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I vote Joe Buck

but Brian Giles is a nice call.

Hey have you ever seen Joe Buck and Brian Giles in the same room?

by Harknights on Apr 30, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slama-Lama-Ding-Dong!

by effin fisk on Apr 30, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's a screw ball

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 30, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, it's Robo-Cop

Hel-lo

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on May 1, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

AMAZING article

I saw this on deadspin about Saturday’s game vs. the Astros.
http://deadspin.com/385778/the-middle-america-team-defeats-the-houstons
It’s a great read, trust me.

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Apr 30, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you hear anything about the Giants

needing a LH 1B?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sowers

I don’t know alot about Jeremy Sowers as a pitcher but I like why I know about him as a person…......from a good family – smart guy, Vandy grad – insisted on completing degree despite being drafted with huge signing bonus

Has an identical twin brother – Josh – a righthanded pitcher not quite as heralded….....currently a farm hand with Jays….....Josh, another bright guy, is a Yale grad where he was coached by John Stupor…...former Cardinal pitcher and one of the heroes of 82 championship team

by Hinkster on Apr 30, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can identical twins

be differently-handed? Jeremy throws left, Josh throws right…

Either they are fraternal (not identical) or I’m an idiot.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 30, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

that’s actually possible. Sounds weird, but I think it can happen.

by Phizzle on Apr 30, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suppan not sharp for the Brewers

So far, .2 IP, 6 ER, 5H, 1BB. Too bad, I was enjoying our boys in a solid first.

by rencelas on Apr 30, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ditto.

by cardsgirl95 on Apr 30, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cubs up 6-0

in the first. Supp is digging a pretty big hole for his team to climb out of.

by cardsgirl95 on Apr 30, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cubs are tough at Wrigley so far this year

I hope our offense kicks it into high gear when we play them at Wrigley, because they are scoring a ton o’ runs there.

by KYCards on Apr 30, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone see mulders rehab stats scrol on bottom line

like 3.2 ip 7 ER..something to build upon..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 30, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

Mulder, 3.2 innings, 9 runs (7earned) 3 home runs. Don’t count on Mulder any time soon. If Mulder makes it back, It’ll probably be several years down the road and a couple ball clubs later.

by ridgesee on Apr 30, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You do realize that even though it was AAA

he was pitching against the best team in the league, right? They are off to the best start in the 105 year history of the PCL.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 30, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But...it...was...AAA

And from what I read, Mulder was looking forward to the challenge because it was a big time lineup.

And he got crushed. Not good…

"Is this Heaven?"
"No, it;s Iowa."
"I could've sworn it was Heaven."

by MilCardFan on May 1, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

anybody know what the our rotation is looking like for the cubbies?

by redbirddude on Apr 30, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it's

Wainwright
Lohse
Wellemeyer

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that looks right... too bad we can't bump pinerio up for welley

by redbirddude on Apr 30, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Suppan

What’s up with the Supp….he never pitched this bad with us, at least not too often. The Cubs are eating him alive tonight. 92 pitches in the 4th…ouch. Is he turning into Matt Morris #2?

by KYCards on Apr 30, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I"m almost certain he's more reliant on the defense behind him than most

And that’s not really the Brew Crew’s strong point.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the Brewers haven't been that bad defensively so far this year

at least according to the traditional metrics – they came into today with 14 errors in 26 games, and only 3 unearned runs allowed all year. then again, they have one error so far tonight, and 3 of supp’s runs were unearned…

could be that the defense behind him doesn’t even have enough range to get a glove on the ball, so that’s why they aren’t getting charged with errors.

but, supp’s K/BB ratio for the season now stands at 12:11, in over 34 innings, so it’s not just the defense … he’s never been a strikeout pitcher but his ratio is usually better than that. (though maybe the defense is a factor – in the past supp could often get away with just throwing strikes and counting on the cards defense to turn a lot of grounders into outs; without that luxury, he has to nibble at the corners and the result is more walks and fewer strikeouts)

OK – time to quit arguing with myself, i’m off to celebrate the fact that THE CARDS HAVE ALLOWED THE FEWEST RUNS OF ANY TEAM IN THE NL SO FAR THIS YEAR

by mattlo on Apr 30, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah but chicago's lineup isn't anything to laugh at

by redbirddude on Apr 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Soto

is going to run away with Rookie of the year…and if Lee stays healthy, he will be up there for MVP. I hate to do it but I agree, this Cubs line-up is pretty damn good. And to think Soriano isn’t even in their line-up tonight. They don’t seem to hit as good on the road….but at Wrigley they are a force.

by KYCards on Apr 30, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget Fukudome

What the Cubs offense really needed was more baserunners. Fukudome is delivering.

by mojowo11 on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

like he needs anymore discouraging news..,.. ES PN is running Mulder’s line on the score tracked

by redbirddude on Apr 30, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just double checking

But the Cubs SI cover jinx starts this weekend right? Tonight doesn’t count because maybe not all newstands have the issue yet.

by KYCards on Apr 30, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The jinx

could start tomorrow for their rubber game with the Brew Crew (I’m predicting a Brewer loss tonight, amazing insight, I know) and then carry through the weekend. Yeah, that would be just about right.

by cardsgirl95 on Apr 30, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wishful thinking. The Cubs don't need anymore curses......

Do not take them lightly. They have a very good, not great, team. They have no glaring holes. They have holes, but no glaring holes. They have the free agent aquisition of the off season with Fukodome, they have been playing without Soriano. But you only have to be a very good team to win in the Central. Close to parity has been the history of this division, and you only have to be 1/2 up to win. I’m not saying the Cubs will win, I’m not saying the Cards will win, it’s going to be a slog for WHOEVER it is until the end. I do think the Brewers will take themselves out of it with poor defensive play. My gosh, have they no pride as an organization? I’ve never seen such a careless approach to defense as the whole Brewers organization seems to employ. Not even the Royals in their worst days were this bad on defense. Never count out the Astros; they have always mangaged to throw a wrench in at the end. The Pirates have a few young players to build a team around. They thought it was Jason Bay. But I think it’s Ian Snell, Nate McLouth, and Ryan Doumit. They will not be a factor until the end, when their few good young players go all out to secure their spot in the 2009 line up.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 30, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs