busted inside
too bad they couldn’t cash in that bit of luck in the 7th inning, ie the bases-loaded single that hit the baserunner; you don’t get many gifts like that in a season. if it goes through, the reds probably go ahead by 3 or 4 and the game’s over. alas, the LOB curse that houstoncardinal wrote about sunday got in the way again --- cards left 10 men on and had their own bases-loaded misadventure, back in the 3d inning. that’s where they lost the game. although the score was 4-0 at that point, arroyo was hardly looking sharp --- 5 of the first 12 men he faced had reached base, he wasn’t keeping the ball down, wasn’t hitting corners. he was ripe. duncan hits arroyo pretty well -- .313 career average / .625 slugging coming into the game --- and he singled in his first at-bat. here’s how arroyo pitched him in the key 3d-inning at-bat:

in, in, and in. similar pattern when duncan came up in the 5th with pujols on first ---

and the last out of the game, against cordero (again with a man on), came on a fastball in on the hands. is everybody pitching duncan this way? and if they are, am i the last one to notice? [UPDATE: apparently i am the last to notice --- or at least, not the first; azruavatar posted on this very same subject (ie, duncan getting busted inside) a couple weeks ago --- gameday screen capture and everything. . . . ]
anyway, back to the 3d inning --- duncan popped out and dimmed the prospects for the rally; they scratched out a run on glaus’s walk, but that’s a weak return on a one-out, sacks-jammed opportunity with the 4/5 hitters at bat against a laboring pitcher. even a single by duncan (or glaus, for that matter) makes it a different game; an extra-base blow and the cards have a good shot to come back and win that game.
ryan ludwick batted leadoff last night, as a few people on this board have been suggesting since spring training; the one-game returns weren’t positive, which doesn't mean anything; i’ll credit la russa for thinking unconventionally and batting ludwick there instead of going with a more orthodox leadoff type like izturis or kennedy. it's an interesting experiment, and on a team such as this i'm in favor of experimentation. but in my opinion they've got another leadoff-man experiment that's working out so far --- schumaker and barton. those two have occupied the leadoff slot in 25 of the 27 games to date, and cardinal leadoff men rank first in the league in runs and walks and 3d in obp.
wellemeyer kept the ball in the park for only the second time all year. interesting split --- in his three starts at home this year, he has yielded 22 fly balls and only 1 homer; on the road, 21 fly balls and 5 homers. not drawing any conclusions from that, but keeping my eye on it. as long as wellemeyer keeps throwing strikes, i’m fine with him staying in the rotation. last night he only walked 2 men last night and threw nearly 70 percent of his pitches for strikes, and he continues to miss bats (11 swinging strikes last night). what the hell; leave him out there and see if he can keep it up. but now here’s the irony: the stated rationale for using wellemeyer in the rotation was that the cardinals won all but one of his starts last year. i thought that was a dumb reason, as the w-l had less to do with wellemeyer than with his teammates. but now wellemeyer’s actually showing signs of being a decent power pitcher ---- striking a lot of guys out (he ranks 3d in the nl in strikeouts as of this morning, and 5th in k/9) and keeping them off the basepaths --- but the team’s only 3-3 in his starts. with mulder’s return looming, the colonel’s hold on a rotation slot remains pretty dicey.
gotta keep it short today. it’s a year since josh hancock’s fatal accident, a fitting time to remember him and think about the circumstances of his death.
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A quick look
at the stat sheet shows Duncan in 22 games with 6 RBI’s, Kennedy in 20 games with 9 RBI’s.
Kennedy gets roasted for lack of power, but the purpose of power is to get runs in, and Duncan has been futile so far. He also let the winning run in with his usual clueless defense. This guy has got to go. Even when he’s hitting he’s a liability in terms of winning games. He should be the #5 of the 5 outfielders, and see limited duty. Trade him to make room for Colby and let’s move forward. How would you like to be Wellemeyer when your leftfielder can’t catch an easy fly ball and lets the winning run in, then as your #4 hitter can’t get a runner in with the bases loaded and one out, pinning an “L” on your record?
Sorry for the tone of this, but some of us have been harping on this for years now.
by vinniefromjersey on Apr 29, 2008 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that .397 OBP is awful
So is the .831 OPS, good for fourth on the team.
After seeing Rasmus play over the weekend, he is not ready for big league pitching at this point in time.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What good
is his .831 OPS when in 72 plate appearances so far this year he’s driven in 4 men who were on base?
Wins are by runs, not OPS.
by vinniefromjersey on Apr 29, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya think that RBI total has something to do with the fact that Dunc bats 2d a lot
and Kennedy bats 6 & 7? Hard to drive in runners who aren’t there.
by tom s. on Apr 29, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might have missed
lboros’ 3rd to last paragraph for today’s post
“but in my opinion they’ve got another leadoff-man experiment that’s working out so far - schumaker and barton. those two have occupied the leadoff slot in 25 of the 27 games to date, and cardinal leadoff men rank first in the league in runs and walks and 3d in obp”
Looks like plenty of opportunity to drive someone home.
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to MLB.com, Kennedy has had 18 ab's this year w/ RISP
Dunc has had 12. I call a 150% increase in RISP a better chance to get RBI’s, yes.
by tom s. on Apr 29, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the exact same proportion, nonetheless
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by Valatan on Apr 29, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you beat me...
:(
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by nomar34 on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That .310 BA with runners on is awful, too
Wins are by teams, not 1/9 of the batting order.
2007 Playoff Teams (League OPS Rank)
Arizona (13)
Colorado (2)
Philadelphia (1)
Chicago (8)
New York (1)
Boston (2)
Cleveland (4)
LAA (7)
Runs are scored by OPS. Games are won by runs scored and runs prevented.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duncan has had 12 AB's total with RISP
plus 5 walks and a SF. For reference, Skip also has 12 AB’s w/risp, and he has driven in 5 of those- just one more, and skip has left the bases loaded 3 times without getting a single RBI. Duncan is 1 for 2 with the bases loaded and only has one RBI to show for it. Skip has had more chances to drive in runs than duncan and has done a worse job of it- should we fire him too?
Glaus has 39 AB’s w/RISP, which is a big part of the reason he has 17 RBI’s.
RBI’s are a fairly useless measure of performance, and to use them this early in the season is really, really useless.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan has also hit 2 most of the year
while Kennedy has hit 6 and 7 he has probably had more oppurtunities with RISP…although AK is leading the BARISP .333 to .250…
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by nomar34 on Apr 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to have to disagree about the crappy defense letting in that run.
Losing the ball in the sky is not crappy defense. It’s crappy luck. Ankiel and Izturis also lost the ball. No amount of skill or lack of skill is going to effect someone losing the ball in the sky. If it was one of his trade mark goofy route followed by an akward drop. Then that’s worth ragging a guy. But losing a ball in the lights at dusk….Not so much.
As far as Duncan’s bat, he does need to get that going soon. He did miss a lot of games in spring training. So he is a bit behind. And he has hit some sharp balls right at people in the last week. The bat will come around.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball was closer to Ankiel
l don’t think you can blame Dunc for that missed pop up. I saw a wider angle on Sportscenter this morning and it looked like the ball just about hit Ricker’s glove on the way down. He didn’t see it at all.
by birdo rojo on Apr 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but people don't like slamming Ank as much as Dunc
It did look like out of the 3, Duncan had the longest run to the ball. It isn’t his fault that the cameraman lost the ball in the lights too. If the camera would have been on Ank instead of Dunc, this conversation probably wouldn’t be happening.
by mattyfrommo on Apr 29, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His offense aside
there’s really no excuse for his horrible defense. he’s not an outfielder, and TLR should have realized this by now. the experiment is over, he’s just a 1B guy, and there’s no room for him on the team with Pujols starting. end of story.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 29, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah there is...
it’s simple math. His defense may cost 10 runs a season vs an average defender but his offense gains 30 runs over an average hitter…that’s certainly better then a league average defender that’s league average hitter.
30 – 10 > 0 + 0
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by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Range Factor is league average
for a LF for 2007 (source baseball-reference.com RF9 = 1.96 RF9lg = 2.00). For comparison Brynes had an RF9 of 2.30 and Burrell had an RF9 of 1.61
IMHO, CDunc is a case of an average defender with a serious lack of style going up against above average fan expectactions. He ends up making the plays an average outfielder makes, he just looks like crap as he does it.
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no
you are wrong. PMR, UZR and RZR all have him as a below average defensive outfielder. Your eyes are deceiving you. He’s well below average defensively (Manny Ramirez territory).
by azruavatar on Apr 29, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also (because I sounded like a stat worshipping ass in that comment)
most fans seem to think that Duncan’s a terrible fielder as well.
by azruavatar on Apr 29, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
if I used the wrong stat. I pulled data from baseball-reference.
Let me know though if I am wrong in my opinion or am I wrong in using bad stats.
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a "wrong stat", but the others are more sophisticated (read: accurate)
as far as your opinion, it’s not wrong, but it does seem to be the minority opinion.
by azruavatar on Apr 29, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish there were month to month fielding splits available...
last year duncan played for at least a month with a serious groin injury. He was really quite bad in 2006, but “looked” (subjectively, to me) to be doing a lot better at least in the early part of 2007. I suspect that one bad month in the field is enough to drop you pretty far, and we have to at least consider the possibility that he was limited by his injury.
This year, so far, he has made 29 of 30 plays on “balls in the zone” according to thehardballtimes RZR; last year he was 132 for 169, so he seems to have improved significantly by that metric. He’s “looked” bad, embarrassing even, and he’ll likely cost us some runs before the year is over, but he hasn’t actually been THAT bad, yet. Most of the LF starters are ranked below him, so far this year.
Going by RF9, he’s been remarkably good as well- the third best LF in the league, so far. Yikes.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 30, 2008 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just looks embarassing out there
you shouldn’t be allowed to play in the OF in the major leagues the way he plays out there. besides, that’s the whole justification for playing Izturis, is a want to go back to fundamental defense. Why shouldn’t this apply to Dunc Jr? He isn’t even that spectacular of a hitter, although he does have his moments. just not enough clutch hits to negate his poor outfielding.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 29, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That screen capture looks like
the one for Duncan posted here a few weeks ago. heh.
by sdrone on Apr 29, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are right
funny thing — i remembered that azru had used a screen cap a while back and thought it would be a useful tool here, but i had completely forgotten that AZ’s post was about the same subject, ie duncan getting busted inside. or maybe i remembered it, but only subliminarlly.
i updated the main post with a link to AZ’s post from two weeks ago
by lboros on Apr 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Col. Wellemeyer
The thing that really pissed me off last night was that as soon as Wellemeyer started giving up runs people in the game day thread started making comments about him turning into a pumpkin; stick a fork in him; those type of things. The guy had two bad innings for 4 runs. He was having a little bit of a hard time getting strikes at the plate early on. (more on that later.) His defense didn’t help him out. (Kennedy not getting a handle on a ball that he may or may not have been able to make a play at first. Duncan losing one in the sky. His own wild pitch.)
The thing is.. He has pitched well for the whole month. I don’t think that anyone sould complain about the 4-5 starters going 6 innings giving up 3-4 runs. He isn’t paid top of the rotation numbers. We can not expect top of the rotation resaults with every one of his outings. As long as he isn’t getting knocked out in the 2nd-4th inning and keeps the game from being out of reach in most games. Wellemeyer is doing his job. If he was getting paid Zito money. Then yeah, bitch away. 4.14 ERA with a 3:1 K:BB. I’ll take that from my back of the rotation guy every year.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I was not a big fan of the move when he first came on board, but it looks like he might have made real improvements with his control this year. If that’s the case then he’s a useful guy to have around, and we have two more arb years on him after this season.
by mikedallas45 on Apr 29, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the ump was not giving him the low strike
Which is a problem when your entire pitching philosophy is predicated on keeping the ball down to induce groundballs. He was peppering the bottom border of the zone early on and not getting calls. It looked to me like he adjusted to the strike zone but it makes it much harder to get good hitters out if you have to elevate the ball.
This is also a pet peeve of mine when watching games on TV. Al Hrabosky and Rick Horton frequently point out that pitches that were hit were not down in the strike zone but they fail to point out the fact that the umpire is not calling that low pitch a strike. And if that is the case, the pitcher is forced to either elevate the pitches and hope that the balls in play can be caught or serve up walks. The former makes more sense to me and I’m not surprised when major league hitters hit the ball hard.
Someone touched on the strike zone issue yesterday in the main thread (in reference to elevated pitch counts). It has gotten rediculously small from top to bottom and I too think it should be expanded somewhat. It seems like the strike zone is the size of a dinner plate these days.
by CURVEBALL on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was terrible yesterday
varied from batter to batter and especially from, ahem, pitcher to pitcher.
Welly pitched a very good game, imho.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m pretty impressed with Welle this year. But, as I always say, let’s check him at the end of May and see how he’s doing.
by sdrone on Apr 29, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welle was fine
what’s wrong with the offense? why can’t they get those risp in? I said this a while ago, but I still think with this team that they need a more regular lineup. ludwick leading off is crazy when you have Barton and Schu
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 29, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Because of you asses and naming him Colonel, I had a dream about KFC last nite.
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by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so wish
that people on here would take a breather before going overboard about how much someone “sucks”. Geez.. Welley pitched decently last night and people acted like he was done.
by mattyfrommo on Apr 29, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for the Reds
Since Walt’s in town, what are the odds we could get him to take Mulder and Kennedy for Johnny Cueto.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I think the equivalent trade would actually be Cueto, Votto, and Affeldt for Mulder. I’d do it! Where the Cards would play Votto is a bit of a mystery, but it would be worth it for Cueto if WJ was willing to make the same mistake twice!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Apr 29, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was anyone else surprised...
... when Cordero pitched to Albert in the 9th? It ended up not making a difference, but I think if I’m Dusty in that situation I give Albert a free pass just to take the bat out of his hands… I was glad he didn’t at the time, but again – it didn’t end up making any difference.
by birdjam on Apr 29, 2008 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was
I figured they’d walk him intentionally. hopefully this just angered the Pu, or at least made him want to get back at Codero next time
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 29, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not me
It is a game in April, if you want to give your closer some confidence don’t have him walk someone he MAY have to get out in a key situation in the future.
by mattyfrommo on Apr 29, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick
Is being eaten alive by breaking balls. He has yet to see a slider moving into the dirt and off the plate that he won’t chase.
His big double a couple nights ago against Houston came after Backe (was it Backe?) made him look terrible on nothing but breaking balls down and away. They tried to to bust him in with a fastball, but caught too much plate.
Anybody throwing Luddy anything but breaking balls is flirting with losing their strikeout.
by Hoffa on Apr 29, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
he looks like Willie Mays Hayes out there. Maybe some pushups will help?
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to get technical
but it was Pedro Cerrano who couldn’t get a curveball…..sorry, bit of a Major League junkie (as the signature will attest).
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by Futility Infielder on Apr 29, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...but
Didn’t Willie Mays Hayes have trouble hitting them in spring training (I remember him popping every one straight up) and the manager made him do pushups for every curveball he popped up???
“F%&* You Jobbu, I’ll do this one myself”...
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hayes' problem wasn't curveballs...
It was everything, if I recall correctly.
Cerrano was the one who couldn’t hit Uncle Charlie.
by birdjam on Apr 29, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Hayes thought he was a home run hitter and kept popped the ball up until Lou Brown made him do 50 pushups for every fly ball.
Then, in Major League Two he “beefed up” for his part in “Black Thunder, White Lightening” and started hitting warning track flyballs at an alarming rate, plus he was played by Omar Epps instead of Wesley Snipes.
Cerrano couldn’t hit the deuce to save his life. Straight ball, he hit very well. Curveball…bats afraid. He ask Jobu to come take fear from bats. Then he say fuck you Jobu, he do it himself. Great film.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Apr 29, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
but I really remember him popping up curveballs….
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
...Is likely true. He popped up everything at first. I loved it when he opened the season with a half swing/swinging bunt thing and he went “Oops” when he hit it…I’ll say it again: Great film!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Apr 29, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then
after he beat out the throw, he got picked off first…..
There was the scene where the mgr (Lou Brown) tells him “Well you may run like Mays, but you hit like s*it. For every ball you pop up, you owe me 20 pushups.” And Hayes ends up doing the pushups at home plate during a spring training game….
Pure classic.
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by Futility Infielder on Apr 29, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
horrible
am I the only one that puts Major League 2 in the same class as Rocky 5?? It was an over acting, cheesy ass Disney movie. I’m surprised I didn’t see Ben Savage playing an orphan.
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by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i liked 2 not as good as 1
but Rocky 5 it’s not. Heck Ill even watch Major league 3 if it’s on as cheasy as that is.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 29, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al just brought up Wille Mays Hayes
on the broadcast tonight (referring to Ankiel’s slide into 3rd in the 1st almost coming up short)
First day in at least 10 years that WMH has come up twice (unless I’m watching the movie of course)
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's an interesting note:
Fangraphs has just recently started displaying information on plate discipline. Based on this data, we see that Ludwick actually swings at significantly fewer “out of the strike zone” pitches than the league average player- 16% vs 25% average. His problem seems to be that, when swinging at strikes, he makes contact with almost 13% fewer than average, and when he does chase an out of the zone pitch he hits it 6% less than average. Though he is significantly better at making contact with out-of-the-zone pitches than duncan and schumaker.
Duncan shows similar tendencies as well, though he is “average” when swinging at pitches in the zone. Skip makes contact with 95% of balls thrown in the zone, and chases about the same amount as luddy and duncan. Ankiel swings at 83% of balls in the zone and 27% of balls OOZ- basically (and surprisingly), just over average, and a big improvement from last year, where he was swinging at 37% of the balls out of the zone.
Not totally sure what to make of this yet, but it’s interesting. More data is always good ;)
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by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad link?
I can’t link to that site…. sounds like interesting data though. look forward to checking it out….
by cdb on Apr 29, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here ya go
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by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff!!!
Going off on a tangent here, well because it just crossed my mind….
I wonder what Lankford’s graph would look like had they had all this great stuff a few years earlier. He had a fantastic eye, but swang through a lot of strikes. When he was on, he hammered a ton too.
I always liked that guy. I think he would have to go down as one of the more severely underappreciated Cardinals, in my life at least. All because he swung and missed a lot. But he got on base a lot, he had power, and he had speed. Very underrated player.
by Merry CRasmus on Apr 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ank
Ank is a real hacker isn’t he??! He swings at 10% more pitches than Duncan, and is COMPLETELY indescriminant about thost pitches – Dunc swings at 70% of pitches in the strikes zone, Ank 81%, Dunc swings at only 17% of pitches out of the zone, ank 27%. Their contact rates are very similar. Seems that if Ank could just do a better job of recognizing the zone and laying off pitches that are difficult to hit…. look out NL Central.
by cdb on Apr 29, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny
I wish they had a BABIP split. I’d love to see what ankiels BABIP was on those out-of-the-zone pitches; it seems like he was ripping balls thrown over his head and smashing pitches low and away early on, and then when he started taking those pitches, his BABIP fell off a cliff.
But I may be confused.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Would be nice if we could see game logs on that data (maybe I just haven’t found it yet). It would be interesting to know whether these data explain the streakiness of Ankiel. Is his funk bad zone recognition or does his swing get sloppy and his contact rate goes down? Another instance where the BABIP data might be useful
by cdb on Apr 29, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
don’t Pujos’ numbers look absolutely gorgeous.
And the next post on that site talks about the WPA of pitching trios.. so far we’re third this year with Adam, Lohse, Loop. Nice to see
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan inside
I was noticing that last night too (pitchers go inside on him). The dude sets up on the outermost edge of the batters box; almost telling the pitcher, “I don’t like it inside”. And we know this. Almost all of his well hit balls come on pitches where he gets his arms not slightly, but FULLY extended.
I think he is going to need to learn how to turn on an inside pitch if he is going to have any success in this league. It’s amazing after his start last year – he’s probably the last of our 5 outfielders I want to see at the plate at this point.
And I don’t think him hitting cleanup is going to help the situation. I would like to see him in the 6 spot (w/ Rick or Ryan hitting cleanup depending on who is pitching. Lord knows we need power beyond the 5 spot anyway.
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OTOH, setting up that far away from the plate
could imply that he’s trying to extend his arms on those inside pitches, not that he’s afraid of them. If he’s that far off the plate, you’d normally pitch him away, ala (a la.? a la?) Sosa.
by sdrone on Apr 29, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes that's true...
he’s trying to get extended on inside pitches, but there pounding him inside even in relation to where he is set up. And he has such freakish long arms, I think he thinks he can connect with outside corner pitches as well (and he might be right).
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR Followed my advice
Alas, Kennedy is batting second and DUNCAN IS BATTING 6.
Good move, imho.
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far
there are two things I haven’t been convinced of…that Ludwick can hit ML pitching over the long haul and that Brendan Ryan can’t.
by ridgesee on Apr 29, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A refreshingly fair and reasoned approach
I agree. And, might I add something that I have been convinced of? Cesar Izturis cannot hit ML pitching over any sort of haul and should not be on a AAA, let alone a ML, roster.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is lucky
He is small and has a small strike zone.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder's return--to the 'pen?
Any chance he gets back and becomes a LH specialist? Does he have to immediately return to the rotation? Flores was SO lucky last night to escape without a run—hit base runner???
by gocards62 on Apr 29, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That 0.00 ERA for Flores
means he isn’t likely going anywhere. Plus, Flores is a LOOGY (generally). If brought back to the ‘pen, Mulder would not fill that role. He would go long stretches of middle relief (3 innings or so) to build up to a return to the rotation.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike Zone for Arroyo.
not one to complain about the Umps. That often. But last night Arroyo was getting strikes on both side of the plate 2-3 inches off the black. Yet Wellemeyer wasn’t. I believe the Ump had a hard time picking the ball up off of Arroyo’s hand. As the game went on the strike zone seemed to strink for him.
Anyway. That makes it a bitch easier to pitch inside one someone when they no the strike zone outside is a larger than normal. Arroyo did a great job of exploting that.
Here are some explains. (went a found a left hander batter and a right handed batter.)
Called 3rd strike on Yadi:

Called 1st strike on Glaus.
Im
That is a huge strike zone for a breaking ball pitcher to work with.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oopsie.
I posted Rick’s HR instead of Glaus’s. Glaus isn’t even left handed. What the hell is wrong with me? I’ll be back. I got the other example somewhere.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was noticing
a lot of pitches called as strikes outside the strike zone last night
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 29, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ball that kennedy hit
for the rbi double should have never happened though. the previous pitch was right down the middle and he looked at it, should have been strike 3. i guess my only point is that as much as it sucks, it sort of goes both ways…
by UNCDubya on Apr 29, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenney...
Hit his double off of the third pitch thrown. I believe you are thinking of the first pitch thrown. Which was called a ball. It was thrown right down the middle but a little on the low side. And was called for being low. Not to the left or the right. The second pitch he fouled off. The third pitch was his double. The ump was a lot more consisent with calling balls at the knees. As someone pointed out else in this blog the was wasn’t giving the low strikes. Which is why Welly was throwing up in the zone.

by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIP Josh Hancock
I can’t believe it’s been a year. He seemed like a good guy and a good teammate who made some poor decisions. RIP #32, you’re missed by this Cards fan.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Apr 29, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've still got him on MLB 2K7
It’s weird having a guy on your team that’s not even alive.
by saladdays on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB07: The Show
In my “Road to the Show” franchise (in which I am only controlling my namesake player, not making any GM/managerial decisions or controlling any players other than my own created guy,) now well into the year 2011, Hancock is in my rotation and is the frontrunner for the Cy Young. Makes me a little sad every fifth game…
by birdjam on Apr 29, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
Albert is about the only guy that teams can not really fall into a pitch pattern against. Yes the ideal way to pitch Duncan is inside but at the same time the best way to pitch Rick is away because he tends to pull off the pitch away.
Dunc just need to get better at killing the mistake pitch that is not quite inside enough. Also Dunc does have a good eye and maybe he has fallen behind in some counts due to missed calls on the inside pitch. I don’t know I did not see the game last night. It seems like teams have been working Dunc in all this year.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good eye
for fastballs, but he tends to chase low in the zone on breaking and offspeed pitches. Actually his eye for fastballs is very good – he doesn’t chase many out of the zone, and pitchers seem to get alot of inside fastballs called for strikes.
by cdb on Apr 29, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an awesome site
look at how many fastballs out of the zone were called strikes that were not strikes… duncan got brutalized by the umpires last year.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umps
THey funny thing is that the 2008 data looks the same. Umps are regularly calling inside strikes on him that should be balls. Why???
by cdb on Apr 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it because he's so wide in the batters box?
would it be easier for him to get those calls if he came in the box more? I don’t expect him to crowd the plate based on his stature, but if he comes in some would they be more obvious?
I don’t know the answer off hand, but for me it has some sense.
You could tell when Arroyo was throwing his change up last night pretty well, I don’t know if anyone else noticed.
Noticed that Duncan really bites hard on the changeups. That is a pretty cool site.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Noticed Ludwick.
He too has a pretty good eye, but stuggles on the slider.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be bummed
if we drop Welle for Mulder. I love guys that can miss bats and I don’t think Mulder will miss many. I think Looper should be concerned….
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Apr 29, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Looper should be more concerned
Mulder is shadowing his starts and not Wellys. Though they have talked about giving Mulder more time. So we actually might be looking at late May instead of early May. And A LOT can change in a month.
by Evilfrog on Apr 29, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miss bats!?
How dare you suggest such a thing!? This is St. Louis where we PITCH TO CONTACT!

by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a solution
Package Lohse, Duncan and Thompson up and trade them to a team in need of a starter and a DH/1B. Got anyone in mind?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 29, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa I heard
there’s a west coast team looking for a 1st baseman.
by sdrone on Apr 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they have any
young pitchers available???
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you might be right...
some guy said the giants were looking for a lefty first baseman… what do they have that we might want? hopefully young pitching…
by mattybobo on Apr 29, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lohse and Thompson
are in the discussion to be traded I think all pitchers should be considered trade worthy. I believe out of all that’s active we have only a couple that aren’t going to be. I’m pretty sure Izzy would have to sign off and he wants to play here. And with him being near a save milestone with his high save percentage he shouldn’t leave.
We have a reliever who is here or retired due to family concerns.
But everyone else should be on the table for a package deal, not just Lohse. Lohse could very well give us a reasonable contract chance even if he is a Boras client.
Personally I would be glad to give him 3-4 years in a very incentive laden contract. Especially if we gain a year or two in option years out of the deal.
He’s not an opportunity cost in the short to near term, he’s pitching well, and even if he does regress some (and I’m sure he will) he’s still going to be a serviceable #2, or #3 depending on how Carp comes back.
I actually like Looper as well. Sure he got belted against the Giants, but nothing went right in that game. And frankly he’s a pitcher than can provide several roles for us, from starting to relieving and does have closer experience should we need it for some off reason (but yes, that particular situation long term does have opportunity cost as we have Perez and K-Mac who could also fill that role post Izzy).
Note the stress in the incentive part to Lohse. He’s worth Suppan like money as long as he doesn’t regress past Suppan like numbers. He likes it here with us, and there’s nothing not to like about him as long as he doesn’t regress too far or falls into injury laden years.
We can’t makeshift our pitching core every year, we’re going to need some constants. And theres nothing he’s done to not be a discussion point.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lohse
I think you are kidding yourself if you think we could sign Lohse for “3-4 years in a very incentive laden contract.” The only reason we were able to sign Lohse to a reasonable deal this year is because Boras over-priced him to the point where Lohse’s options were sit out and make $0 or sign a reasonable one year deal and try to boost your earning potential for next season. You’ll also note that, unlike Kenny Rogers or A-Rod, Lohse didn’t fire Boras or begin contacting teams on his own—he stuck with Boras while team after team passed on his high price tag. So far, Lohse has pitched well, and thank goodness for that. If he keeps it up, I’d like to sign him for a couple years as well. But to do that we’d have to pony up, and big time, IMO.
by Ray Lankford on Apr 29, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I’m not saying we will, by any means, be a guarantee. The market setup for a guarantee job somewhere for him by season start this year so when teams didnt bite for the Boras approach then he stuck it out as the price wittled to something someone would take.
I don’t know if this offseason will offer the same attributes for it though.
I’d be quite willing to offer 8 mil + 2 mil under performance incentives for the next couple years with an option and increase for a couple more.
Who knows what he’ll take and he very well could be well out of our price range. But we do have some coin freeing up at the end of the year and we should do in season talks with him to try and keep him before we consider him trade bait.
If he doesn’t bite and we can get someone that we need that is cost controlled then I’m all for it. But the “he’s gone at the end of the year, let’s just trade him for X” shouldn’t be the first port of call. Signing him should be.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we don't get ahead of ourselves signing pitchers.
Please. We are barely a month into the season. Pitchers get hurt all of the time…....I don’t want to pay someone not to pitch….let’s not go there just yet.
Wait and see if the still young Mr. Sabathia goes on the market. Now that’s a guy you want to give a contract to. And he’s big and strong and a lefty. Keep the wallet closed for now. Please.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 29, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia is good
but I would be so disappointed if the Cards ever think of giving a pitcher the kind of money C.C. is probably going to be asking for
by mattyfrommo on Apr 29, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree.
He’s EXACTLY the kind of guy you sign to a big contract. He is a difference maker. He ran out of gas by the time the playoffs came around. I hope Cleveland takes that to heart and works him more carefully this year. I would want him here. I really would.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 29, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I've noticed
is that if we have an ump who is giving an inconsistent strike zones or even a wide one, we tend to struggle.
I’ve seen three games this year where either the ump’s strike zone has either been well wide the entire game, or changed throughout the game and it really got to us. Obviously it could be said it’s 100% on the umps, but regardless we’ve got to learn to adjust to the ump to some degree.
We have a very patient hitting core in the lineup overall and for the most part it’s a good thing, but until we start adjusting on the second at bat, it seems that we’re going to have some issues.
I remember a few years back when I started on the college team my freshman year my coach lamented me several times for being a perfect pitch hitter instead of an umps hitter. I never adjusted my strike zone based on what the ump was calling and getting behind in the count. once I started using my 1st/2nd at bat to find trends it really helped me. Hopefully we’ll do the same.
And nothing against the Reds in the game yesterday, they won it. But the umps were calling some abysmal pitches for strikes. Makes you wonder if Glaus is the only one with eye problems during pollen season.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reds Bunting
Did anyone else notice how bad the Reds were at bunting yesterday? I was only listening on the radio but I counted 3 failed bunt attempts, one a bunt foul out from Arroyo, one was a position player who bunted straight to the pitcher for a force out at 2nd, almost a DP from how it sounded and the last one was a bunt pop out I beleive. Someone needs to work on the basics with those guys.
by StLHugo on Apr 29, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker
Most people don’t like bunting, but I however find it useful at times.
Dusty Baker was notorious while coaching the Cubs for having players who were absolutely terrible at fundamental baseball. I am not surprised to see anything less of anyother team he coaches, but you would think maybe the minor league insturctors would be doing a better job at the minor league level. I dont’ care if people think the bunt is a statistically bad option professional hitters should know how to bunt. You never know when it could be useful.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 29, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"All you do when you bunt is move runners over and further clog up the bases" -- D. Baker
Not really, but I could hear him saying it.
by Ray Lankford on Apr 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't we
had pretty unsuccessful bunts this year so far? I can recall two pitchers and Iz twice having issues on bunting thus far. One just a couple days ago where it was practically a groundball to the pitcher for a force to second.
Just saying, in general, if a coach is going to have it as his arsenal he needs to make sure that his players are fundamentally sound before it’s a toolkit option.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of poor bunting this year
I’ve noticed poor bunting in quite a few games this year.
It was even horrible at the Memphis Redbirds vs. Iowa Cubs game Saturday night.
It’s an interesting phenomenon, to say the least.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick was
at leadoff b/c before last night – he had hit .571 (4 for 7) with a homerun and two doubles against Arroyo. We all know how Larussa loves matchup numbers. Ankiel improved his already good numbers against Arroyo, too. The lineup was stacked based on guys who have had success against him with Ludwick, Ankiel, and Duncan. Only Ludwick didn’t stay with the trend (very small sample size).
by Toddius on Apr 29, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"small sample size"
Is this phrase the by-product of sabermetric analogy? I’m waiting for the day (very soon) to find it used in a commercial in regards to side effects of some new medicine. May have to start a drinking game everytime I hear the phrase…..hic! uh…excuse me.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a phrase
of statistics and probability. If you play poker you will hear that phrase ad nauseam there too.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Small Sample Size" Misconception?
I think there are some possible misconceptions with the use of the phrase "small sample sizes." I think it is almost used exclusively as negative. But I think sample size is a trade off among various aspects: availability of data, accuracy required for analysis/hypothesis testing, variability in the data (e.g. if there is no variability, then N=1 is quite alright), and detail needed vs. aggregation (i.e. aggregation increases sample size at the expense of controlling for factors). I know that some often make fun of TLR with his "tea leaves reading" (maybe TLR graduated from Hogwarts before passing the bar) for using very small sample sizes of individual batter vs. pitcher matchups. To me, that is not totally useless because that is the most specific data concerning a particular matchup. I think that data should be combined with more aggregated data, e.g. batter versus similar types of pitchers (left/right, flyball/groundball) or career numbers… So I think small sample sizes does serve some purpose. On the one end of the spectrum we have anecdotal evidence and on the other very aggregated non-specific data.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the answer to my question is yes?
Thanks totalloser for a couple of drinks and a indepth look at the phrase itself.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Agreed
I second your comment. It’s perhaps overused and wrongly used sometimes. And sorry for being long-winded, although I am sure you didn’t mind a couple of Franklins before the game.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know me well....
You were not long winded….. I’m just being a smart-ass (but alas… you knew that too). Perhaps the phrase (and I have been guilty of using it before) will be used in the correct format from now….. but then I might get less to drink…... sigh…
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 29, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenedey batting 2nd and Duncan 6
...per Bernie on 1380.
I like it! We desperately need power in that 6-9 void in our lineup.
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineups per Bernie
Interesting switch in the 2 hole…
Schumaker
Kennedy
Pujols
Ankiel
Glaus
Duncan
Molina
Pineiro
Izturis
Patterson
Keppinger
Griffey
Phillips
Dunn
Encarnacion
Votto
Bako
Cueto
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you just beat me to posting it.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you change
your call sign to “yer dog second” ?
by ubeddie on Apr 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
maybe I should… then I would have to change my Xbox Live gamertag too.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 29, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No B.Ry, what a shock
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's why I still like some pop in the #2.
Man after the first round of batting, that line up screams DP worthy.
The sporadic Molina, Pin, then Iz, then Skip, then Kennedy..
Over and unders on DP hit tonight?
I say two.
I don’t mind Dunc being towards the bottom to shore up some power down there, but would love to see him 7, Molina 6. Kennedy 9 and Ryan 2.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clue what caused that
was supposed to say
“I don’t mind Dunc being towards the bottom to shore up some power down there but would love to see him batting in the 7 spot with Molina in the 6. Put Kennedy in 9 and Ryan in 2.
Sorry about that..
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is TLR reading VEB?
First Ludwick in the leadoff spot, now AK batting 2nd.
Those are two ideas that have been tossed around here a little here and there the past few weeks or so.
Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)
by stltrav09 on Apr 29, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Then he'd have to admit that MAYBE someone besides him knows something!
If he did, he’d never admit it.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
they win twice over the weekend with Ryan in the lineup…and he sits the next two
by mattyfrommo on Apr 29, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this has been mentioned...
but it appears Bryan Anderson has been promoted to AAA
I know we love Yadi, but man…would it be nice to have offensive production from the catcher position.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Teach the kid how to play 2nd base!!!!!!!!!!
Wouldn’t this fix most of our problems all in one fell swoop? He has the body type for it. Yadi can continue to be the best catcher in the majors. Hell, Tony might have some sort of spasmic attack if he had a player that could play middle infield AND behind the plate. I firmly believe he would carry a 13th pitcher just so he could start double-switching in the 3rd inning.
Oh yeah, and we would have a 2nd baseman that actually can hit.
sigh As my manager always tells mem “The only problem with that idea is that it makes too much sense.”
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Apr 29, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make him a Biggio type guy?
But I like Hoff at 2nd (granted, no power shown from him so far).
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 29, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher to 2B
I don’t think that’s as easy a transition as people sometimes think it is. His bat plays best as a C. It plays well at 2B too, but not as much. Of course it would fill the greater short term need for the club.
The only way I’d like him to move to 2B is if it is determined that he’s too much of a detriment defensively at catcher. I don’t think we’re close to there at this point. Even if he is close to league average, that bat could make him very valuable.
Let’s be patient with him. Catchers get hurt often. Even if they don’t they need days off. And even if we don’t ever want to bring him up for spot duty, he’ll have great value in a deal if we just leave him at catcher and let him progress.
I like the idea as a fallback plan, but for right now personally I’d just assume the club stays patient and see how it plays out. He’s increasing his value every year. If not to us directly, then by trade to someone else.
by Merry CRasmus on Apr 29, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggio
He is a hall of fame ball player who played C, SS, & 2B. I don’t know if Bryan Anderson is quite that type of player. It’s not that easy to change positions and I remember Anderson saying he was really just a catcher as he had tried to play OF in high school but was brutal. Some guys no matter how good they are can only really play one position.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 29, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just threw Biggio's name out there
because he’s the only Catcher converted to 2nd Baseman that came to mind. No way am I saying Anderson is “like” Biggio.
His HOF numbers never came into the picture, only the positions.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 29, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fantastic! And
I happen to agree with you…..I get slapped around here when I post it, but if Anderson can be at least average defensively, and keep hitting as well as he’s been hitting, he’d be mighty valuable. I love good defensive catchers, I really do. But I’d still trade ‘em in a heartbeat for a Brian McCann or a Russell Martin or a Joe Mauer or a young Jorge Posada. You can win with guys like that who bring a bat…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 29, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
I think only american league teams should look into offensive voids at short and catcher because of the DH firepower, however for a NL team to give away 1/3 of their outs is suicide.
And I’m all for getting power bats away from the plate and into the OF/1B. As a catcher myself I can tell you it really does effect your ABs, especially late in the game. Last year I was trying to see the life cycle of power hitting catchers but I got distracted by a shiny object.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hancock
In remembrance of Josh, here are a few traffic stats:
Fatal crashes in MO due to drinking ~140/year (could be multiple fatalities/crash)
Injury crashes in MO due to drinking ~2,000/year
Total crashes in Mo due to drinking ~4000/year
I hope TLR is supporting MADD in addition to his animal charities.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 29, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
I am looking at investing in a St. Louis jersey t-shirt. My last such purchase was Jimmy Edmonds in 2001, which was a good purchase. When making these decisions, I try and look at the probability that the player will be wearing the birds-on-bat for an extended period of time since I am a poor student. (I already own an authentic Pujols jersey that was a Christmas gift.)
My finalists are Wainwright and Ankiel. I am leaning toward Wainwright, especially with the fresh contract extension. Is this the wisest move? And, secondly, should I get “Wainwright” on the back or “Wagonmaker?”
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You aren't likely to go wrong
with Adam, especially in light of his new contract. If you are springing for a jersey, use his real name and not a nickname. If a T-shirt, you could use either. That’s my opinion anyway.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 29, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ wagonmaker
That’s funny and all but if it’s that big of a deal to you you might not want to invest in novelty.
Pitchers are too fragile and especially at 125+ pitches a game I’d re-think the wainwright in terms of longevity. Then again, if you save $10 a month, worst case scenario he goes down the day you bought it and you’d still have it at least an active player and somebody that closed out the world series. Hell I’m even thinking of buying some clearance Rolen and Edmonds jerseys just for historical reasons.
Normally a position player is a safer bet, however, Ankiel might “melt down” (read coke-out) again…then again the historic value again can last you a couple of years alone.
No offense though, it’s only a T-Shirt and working at mcdonalds for a weekend will afford you one ;) I make decent money and I’m still thinking of taking a part time job at the buckle to fuel my wardrobe addiction.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Wagonmaker"
would only be on a t-shirt.
I figure it would be a good way to signal to VEBers at the game. We need to develop a secret society nod so that nobody is the wiser.
I am totally serious about “Wagonmaker” as a valid option.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be falldown hilarious
see an entire row of Colonel, Puppykicker, Wagonmaker, etc
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do need
to revamp the VEB Shirt. I’ll be the first one to buy one once the design improves.
by davethebutcher on Apr 29, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers 1 and 2 on my list
1) “Wagonmaker”
2) “Colonel”
If I had a disposal income, they’d be purchased already.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or you could
go with a retired player. they will always wear the birds on the bat. i’d love an old school Gibson jersey.
by davethebutcher on Apr 29, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Student
...whose car actually broke down en route to the Saturday Cards vs. Nats game with Wainwright starting. Never used my hotel reservation, never used the tickets, and got stuck paying for repair work. While we often trash the organization (i.e. not spending enough and expensive concessions and tickets), they sent me two vouchers for our tickets with a handwritten note, “Hope this takes the sting out of the weekend and to see you at Busch soon.”
Word to the wise: Use the internet to pick out your seats and call the Cardinals box office directly. Do not use tickets.com since they won’t allow transfers. Also, make your hotel reservations directly with a St. Louis hotel. And always use a credit card so you can dispute charges against weasels.
I have an “O. Smith” jersey t-shirt (since the mass-produced ones have merely “Smith”). I covet both a Willie McGee and Vince Coleman jersey t-shirt. I have tickets to one of the San Diego games at Busch, which were a birthday present. To that game, I am wearing my Edmonds jersey t-shirt with a “Thanks for the memories, Jimmy” sign that I will hold up when he is on-deck.
The pitch counts for Wainwright concern me, but I did watch the guy pitch a few times when the Redbirds came to Des Moines and I have a bit of an allegiance to him (closing out the NLCS and World Series with such grit!, the fall of trust off the dugout wall to the ‘pen on Opening Day of this year, his overall attitude, etc.). I also thought about a Rasmus t-shirt (since I can wear it to I-Cubs vs. Redbirds games and then continue to wear it to St. Louis games.
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that is awesome
Great karma for the organization for that bit.
Molina is another probable long-term organizational player.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 29, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1980's Cardinals
Theirs would have to be with the yellow-eyed birds on bat. I quite prefer them to the new logo with the weird white eyes. The official website does not have a yellow-eyed Cardinal jersey t-shirt option, but they do have http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2726610&cp=1452367.1452901.1502588” target=”_blank”>yellow-eyed Cardinal tees. (I own the powder blue version.) I’ve given thought to purchasing a yellow-eyed 1980’s tee on ebay and then taking it to a local shop for “McGee.”
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could always go with Carp
He’s with us till 2011, ‘12 if we pick up the option. Will likely retire with us you’d think. And it has some historical significance as well considering he’s been a cornerstone for quite a while
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an aside
The official stlcardinals.com store has no markdown for Edmonds or Rolen jersey t-shirts. What the heck?
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you
read some of the comments on here time to time when they’re Troy or Rick bashing, you’ll see why.. lol.
I hadn’t noticed that though.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 29, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got an official replica Edmonds jersey
for $30 on ebay. try there.
by effin fisk on Apr 29, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#45
http://shop.mlb.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2455400&cp=1452367.1452901
Cooperstown Gibby?
by bgh on Apr 29, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Link went to customized Jersey section,
But if I were a richer man, http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2289857dt.jpg
by davethebutcher on Apr 29, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite jersey of all time
was actually my old school cooperstown number 6. I wore the hell out of it and it just made it more fade and torn like it actually came from that era. Also can’t go wrong with those powder blue 80s jerseys.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are AWESOME
But those MItchell Ness numbers are EXPENSIVE.
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