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Josh Hancock, April 11, 1978 - April 29, 2007

Here's the original thread on VEB from when the news came out -- hard to read through for me -- considering all that has happened since that day one year ago, it definitly seems like a lot more time than 366 days have past. In fact, his passing is even now, just twelve short months removed, often overlooked in the drama that the 2007 club endured.

Although a lot of the original rumors about what had happened that night (unfortunately) were true, this still marks the passing of a young man who was a beloved son, brother, friend, teammate, and World Series Champion.

I still almost morbidly think of Josh every day as I'm driving home from work, passing by the Anheuser Busch sign on Highway 40 by Grand, and remember the night that one man made the fatal mistake of not calling a cab.

Rip, Josh. You're missed.

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Thought the same thing

on the way home from the game, regarding the sign. R.I.P. Josh.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 29, 2008 3:44 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm really glad you put this up Fritz.

thank you, I was going to, but you beat me to it.

when i was in the city back in January i drove by where he died & pulled over for a minute to reflect & say a prayer for him & his family.

his death really hit me hard. he was exactly six months to the day younger than me. it is just such a tragedy you know?

you are right man, i can’t believe it’s been one year since he died. so much has happened since then, to not only every one here, but to the Cardinals. but i don’t know how anyone can forget that his passing was the low point of last season.

RIP Josh. you may be gone, but you will never be forgotten. hopefully you are up above playing catch with my dad.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Apr 29, 2008 4:15 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Driving home tonight

there was an accident in nearly the exact same spot on 40… tow truck there, cops closing it down to one lane… kind of eerie, really.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Apr 30, 2008 12:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

RIP

Hard to believe that it has already been a year since his tragic and untimely passing.

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2006 WS for JB and DK57RIP: Josh Hancock

by cardsfan84 on Apr 29, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

RIP 32

I think subconsciously I wore a Cardinal sweatshirt and hat to work today.

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 29, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

will the brids do

any sort of quiet rememberance tonight?

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 29, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

still pretty sad

God bless, Josh

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."

by erik on Apr 30, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Fitting tribute, AlxFritz

I just read through all the comments in the thread a year ago. So many memories wrapped up in one post. It’s one thing to casually look at the initials and jersey number i wrote in black felt pen on the side of my cap last year. It’s another thing to reread the firsthand accounts of that tragic day. Re-read the words that I wrote just minutes after hearing the news. Re-read the words of people who share ideas everyday on this site. It brings up some strange, sad memories.

RIP Josh. You’re still missed.

by effin fisk on Apr 30, 2008 2:43 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I still think that it is awesome

that in his final outing on April 28th, 2007, he went 3 innings, giving up two hits, a walk, and a run. Exactly the type of outing you want form your long man; reminded me a bit of what I wrote this time last year:

“Life is an odd thing. We love people like Albert Pujols because we can never be him; chances are you can’t even imagine what it’s like to have that kind of physical skill. It’s easy to idolize the greats, but in doing so, we undervalue the guys who make up the backbone of not just the game, but of life. Life isn’t hitting 500 foot home runs; it’s an 88 mph fastball and the ability to mop up some innings. We like to think that life would be great if it was filet mignon and $200 bottles of champagne, but it’s not. Life is a few cold beers, hot wings, and good friends. (and maybe some washers.)

Life is Josh Hancock.”

He was never asked to be a superstar, but he filled his role here in St Louis perfectly.  INow redundent,  but you're missed JH 32.

Well who the hell can see forever?

by Alxfritz on Apr 30, 2008 3:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well said..

Very well said Alxfritz…I completely agree.

RIP JH

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." Bob Gibson

by jodicards on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

This may seem to be the wrong place for this....

I don’t like it when people call the Hancock death tragic—it’s not. Unfortunate, yes, but not tragic. I speak here concerning the circumstances that led to his untimely passing a year ago. While I feel for the family members and everyone who knew Josh, it’s tough for me to call it a tragedy, because someone who puts themselves in the situation that he did knows that they are putting themselves in the crosshairs. He made a poor choice and, unfortunately, he paid for it with his life.

Darryl Kile’s passing was tragedy. The passing of Hank Gathers was a tragedy. Korey Stringer’s death was a tragedy. Unexpected deaths like those shatter the imagination because these are highly trained and conditioned athletes, we don’t expect them pass away in the prime of their lives.

I believe it’s disrespectful to the families of these men to call it tragic when someone makes a poor decision and puts themselves in harms way as Josh Hancock did. I am glad each and every day that he did not kill anyone else in this accident, because their deaths would be considered tragic—life ended when someone else made a poor decision.

I think the important moral lesson to draw from this unfortunate event is to educate our young people that these types of things can occur and to remember incidents like this any time they are faced with a similar situation.

(Postscript: I have nothing against the use of alcohol or recreational drugs. I believe where we fail as a society is that we make every effort to keep people from using these drugs but don’t talk enough about the consequences of dangerous use or of their effects on decision making for those who do use them. I believe that this starts with proper parenting and proper parental discipline, something I believe is slipping away from us as a society. I’m not saying anything negative about Josh’s parents, a grown man makes his own decisions, I’m simply saying the the most positive impact that this incident could make is to use it as an example of what can happen to anyone who puts themselves in a risky or dangerous situation. My aim is not to offend, only to correct what I believe is a mistake in defining the incident)

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 1, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Don't Agree

A tragedy, by definition, is a “disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life.” Josh Hancock lost his life through a terrible mistake. I think he and his family have paid the price to spare the moralistic judgment of his error.

It’s one thing to discuss the lesson learned from Hancock’s poor judgment. It’s quite another to dismiss his death as something less than others who left us far too early. That’s disrespectful to his family and friends, who knew him as a person, a living soul, and not as an object lesson.

by Forsch31 on May 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Disrespectful? Anything but...

I believe I said “unfortunate” and “untimely”. Please don’t quote Webster’s dictionary to me, that deviates from my point, which was not to address the scholarly definition of the word tragedy, but to understand the circumstances of calling this type of event a tragedy.

Calling this event “tragic” puts the whole scenario in a context of being unlucky or unpreventable, such as the deaths of Gathers, Stringer, and Kile. This situation was a case of bad judgement and bad decision making, calling it tragic glosses over those key points and paints it as a “it won’t happen to me” situation for those who are too young to understand and feel they are invincible or impervious to death. It’s simply the usage of the word tragic that allows people to dismiss it as an “act of God” or something completely out of their control, which is not the case in this instance.

I was not dismissing his death by any means, and nowhere in my original post did I state that his death was not unfortunate or that he had it coming to him. I do feel for his family and friends who knew him, his decision has affected their lives more than he could have possibly imagined when he made the choice to climb behind the wheel that night. I just think that we need to be more sensitive to those who have suffered a death like those of Gathers and Kile when we talk about a death that could have been prevented.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 2, 2008 9:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A preventable death is just as tragic...

...simply because it could have been prevented. You are dismissing Hancock’s death as a tragedy, attempting to assign value to a human being’s death because of the way he died and then building a soapbox on it. That’s disrespectful, no matter how many ways you paint it.

by Forsch31 on May 3, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think

what fourstick is saying (correct me if I’m wrong) is that Hancock’s death was unfortunate, but not tragic because he had a hand in it. If he’d only been more responsible… For many people, a tragedy occurs when there is a loss of “innocent” life. Does that make sense? Not to everyone. Obviously it’s terrible that Hancock died. I’m just glad he didn’t kill anyone else. THAT would’ve been tragic.

by spants on May 3, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, I don't know

Hamlet certainly had a hand in his death. But it’s the very definition of what it is to be tragic.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 4, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

True, but

Hamlet wasn’t real. Come up with a real-life example.

I’m sure some of you are going to strongly disagree with what I’m about to say, and some of you are going to agree with me. I’m not trying to fight with anyone, just voicing an opinion.

Look, I think a loss of life is terrible when it could’ve been prevented. However, I’m loathe to call Hancock’s reckless and unfortunate demise “tragic,” regardless of the dictionary definition. That’s just me. Had someone else been killed and Hancock lived (which could’ve happened under slightly different circumstances while driving drunk) their death would’ve been tragic and he would’ve been a criminal. In fact, his actions were illegal and dangerous and could’ve had tragic results.

To me, tragedy has a note of the unexpected. Tragedy implies a great downfall or a disaster. Like a little kid getting hit by a car or an earthquake causing a car to buck off the road into a ravine, or myriad untimely, unnecessary ends. People just innocently living their lives and meeting their deaths in the process. Hancock wasn’t innocently leading his life in those moments. He was doing something that everyone knows to be illegal and dangerous and inappropriate.

Just like shooting guns at people leads to gunshot wounds and shooting up with heroin leads to overdoses, drunk driving leads to accidents and deaths. These are outcomes that should not be unexpected just because they don’t happen every time. I don’t understand how people keep being so shocked when someone drives drunk and kills someone or dies. This happens every day, all over the country. And I don’t think there’s anything tragic about such arrogant reckless irresponsibility.

I’d qualify this as a mis-fortunate end with a touch of tragedy because it was a waste of life. There was potential for great tragedy, but it was fortuitously avoided because Hancock was the only one who lost his life. Call me crass, but that’s how I see it. And I’d bet many people agree with me.

by spants on May 4, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Exactly....

And that’s the point I was trying to make, that we’ve become so politically correct about other people’s feelings that we don’t call a spade a spade sometimes. Had he survived but killed some 10 year old kid who was standing near the scene of that accident, he would be in jail, not being memorialized as a “tragic” death.

I sympathize with those who knew him, but their feelings on the subject don’t excuse the fact that this was reckless and irresponsible behavior.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 6, 2008 8:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hamlet?

There’s a big difference between a “tragic hero” and a real life tragedy. All tragic heroes (Antigone, Julius Caesar, Romeo, Hamlet) have a hand in their own death, usually through unforseen circumstances.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 6, 2008 8:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

calling it a 'real life tragedy'

implies that real life is mirroring the artistic form of a tragedy

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 6, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So

you’re saying the way Hancock died has artistic value? Is that what we’re discussing?

by spants on May 6, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No

I’m pretty much siding with those who say it was an unfortuante, horrible thing that happened, but not a tragedy.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on May 6, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh

now I get what you were saying. Duh.

by spants on May 6, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

R.I.P. Josh...

we hope and pray your soul did have and continues to have a good journey…
God bless, Josh

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by Johnny64 on May 2, 2008 11:13 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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