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welcome back, walter jocketty. the guys at SB Nation brother site Red Reporter asked my opinion of their team’s new gm over the weekend, and i gave ‘em some thoughts; read all about it.

and au revoir, matt morris. he’s the second not-that-long-ago mainstay of the stl rotation to get released this month, following woody williams. seems like they’ve been gone ages, doesn’t it? but morris has been out of cardinal red for just over two seasons (2006-07, plus a month of 08), woody williams just over three (2005-07); they started games 1 and 2 of the 2004 world series (and of that year’s nlcs / nlds, for that matter). kind of arresting how quickly it can all go south for a pitcher.

this is probably not the time to point out that morris is the last cardinal pitcher to throw 120 pitches in an april game --- or was, until wainwright did it the other day. morris achieved the feat against the astros too, on april 6 2002 --- burned through 125 deliveries in only 6 innings, which is even harder on the arm than wainwright’s 9-inning effort on saturday. during his time in st louis, la russa has asked only two other pitchers to throw 120 or more pitches in an april game: garrett stephenson (april 22, 2000) and alan benes (april 30, 1997).

if we lower the pitch-count threshold to 115 pitches, we find wainwright and morris crossing paths again. matty mo was the last st louis pitcher --- until wainwright, this month --- to toss 115 or more darts twice in the same april. matty did that two aprils in a row, in 2002 and 2003; the only other pitcher who’s ever done it under la russa is alan benes, in both 1996 and 1997. . . . .

okay okay (you ask), so morris stephenson and benes all had short careers --- what does that prove? and i answer that it doesn’t prove anything, but it’s still a pattern that concerns me (as it does houstoncardinal, who wrote about this yesterday). after wainwright’s outing, jeff passan pointed out at Yahoo sports that while opinions remain sharply divided about the correlation between high pitch counts and injuries, the fact is that pitch counts are being watched much more closely; it’s very rare for any pitcher to throw 125 pitches in a game anymore, let alone in an april game. passan notes that only 14 starts lasted 125 or more pitches in 2007, and only 26 went that long the year before that; only 2 of those starts came in april (by schilling in 2006 and barry zito last year).

in that article, la russa blithely waves off the pitch-count issue (just more of that stat-geek crap) and cites subjective observation as the only fatigue meter that matters: "You watch and see a guy all game long. When he starts to change, it means most times he’s losing stuff, getting tired, losing concentration." wainwright, says tony, has the ability to "make pitches when he has to," and that’s true --- in both of his long starts this month adam got into trouble as his pitch counts mounted but made the pitches he needed to and got out of the jams; the cards won both games. he’s got guts, he’s got willpower; we can all see that and admire it. but if those qualities encourage la russa to make wainwright play the hero every second or third start, it is likely to catch up to the pitcher and the team --- and sooner than we might like. in his last 16 starts (going back to last august 5), wainwright has thrown 115 or more pitches 5 times; that projects out to 10 times over a 32-start season. is that a lot? only 3 pitchers have done it during tony's sojourn in st louis.

using the amazing Baseball-Reference Play Index, i looked up all starts by st louis pitchers in the la russa era that lasted 115 or more pitches; here’s the list. and below is a table listing the pitcher-seasons (st louis only, la russa era) with the highest number of outings that lasted 115 pitches or more. the DL column lists the pitcher’s next trip to the disabled list after (or during) the season in question:

pitcherseasongamesDL
woody williams 12 2003 2004
todd stottlemyre 11 1998 1999
andy benes 10 1997 1997
andy benes 9 1996 1997
todd stottlemyre 8 1996 1997
matt morris 7 2002 2002
darryl kile 7 2000 ---
alan benes 7 1996
1997
1997
garrett stephenson 7 2000 2001*
donavon osborne 7 1996 1997

a sobering list. again, this doesn’t prove anything --- it’s not a scientifically rigorous study --- but experience can be a great teacher. if i were a big-league manager, and every single pitcher i rode too hard ended up getting hurt within a year and was out of baseball within 5 years, i might learn something from that experience. osborne, alan benes, and stottlemyre were never useful big-league players again after carrying their heavy workloads; they, and all the other pitchers on this list, retired before the age of 35. ok, i’m lying --- stottlemyre attempted a comeback at age 37, which lasted 21 innings (0-2 record, 7.52 era); and i’ll admit that we don’t know how long kile would have lasted in the big leagues, but he did need shoulder surgery after the 2001 season. . . . insofar as the cardinals have wainwright under club control for 5 seasons after this one (through his age-31 season) and are on the hook for guaranteed money for 3 seasons after this one, maybe tony ought to at least consider the stat-geek crap. or at least, he should do that if he wants wainwright's career to last longer than matt morris's did.

since darryl kile’s name keeps coming up, i’ll add that i thought of him when word of morris’s release came down. kile mentored morris, and no cardinal was wounded more deeply than matty when darryl died. i sensed a trace of kile’s influence --- his maturity, his humility --- in matty’s statement after being released: "It was a great segment of my life. I really can't wait to move on and be with my family. It's a sad day, but it's also a joyful day. ... I'm proud of my career."

we’re proud of ya too, matty mo. thanks for the thrills, and much success to you in all things in the future.

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Matty Mo as a releiver

Anyone wonder if the Cards might offer him a minor league contract to try a come back as a reliever? Or is his arm completely shot?

by StLHugo on Apr 28, 2008 8:31 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I repeat – NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Apr 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think Matt has too much respect for the game for that

I may be wrong , but he knows he is done . He has nothing left to prove, and he doesn’t exactly need the money.
I hope that they sign he just so he could retire with the BOB , or at least bring him back for spring training like Matheny. Now that would be my dream future manager and pitching coach tandem.

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rasmus in DSM

I went to see the Memphis Redbirds, who visited Des Moines over the weekend. I only made it to Saturday night’s game (work kept me busy Thursday and Friday night). Rasmus did not look that great at the plate, taking many defensive swings. However, in the field, he showed off his canon, cutting down an I-Cub at third (which negated a run that had not quite crossed the plate) and then mowing down another who tried to stretch a single into a double on a line drive slightly into the the left/center gap. The runner was only halfway to second when the laser beam found Uncle Rico’s mit. (As an aside, Uncle Rico had a double.)

It was only one game (and thus an incredibly small sample size). Also, it was 40 degree outside. Nonetheless, he didn’t look like a player on the cusp of the big leagues.

As an aside, I checked the Memphis website for player stats before going. Their banner has former Redbirds who have made it to St. Louis in Memphis uniforms. Pretty cool and a fun trip down memory lane.

http://memphis.redbirds.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t235

by bgh on Apr 28, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Clapp

looks like he is doing a “Wizard” impersonation.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Apr 28, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Memphis.

I was there Thursday night and yesterday afternoon - I wasn’t impressed with Colby at the plate either. His defense looks great - he gets really good jumps on balls in the air and he does have a cannon, although he didn’t throw anyone out on Thursday night. He had the day off on Sunday, possibly to nurse his ego after going 1-12 the first three games of the series.

Parisi, Boggs, and Perez were all impressive. Perez pitched the ninth on Sunday and was consistently hitting 92-93 on the gun—a gun which is notoriously 2-3 mph low. Gave up one dinky hit but otherwise looked very impressive. Parisi pitched well enough to win on Thursday, but Motte blew the save in the 9th when he had some control issues.

Boggs looked unhittable for 5 innings on Saturday, but ran into problems in the 6th, giving up two unearned runs (Barden booted a ball and led to two runs scoring) but was able to scratch out the win wih some help from the bullpen. He was hitting high 80’s/low 90’s and his breaking stuff led to some poor looking swings from the I-Cub hitters.

Parisi had some control issues on Thursday night, walking 4, but only gave up 4 hits and 2 runs in 6 innings. He threw 76 pitches in 6 innings, 45 for strikes, but struggled with location and was behind in quite a few counts. I-Cub hitters helped though, chasing a lot of pitches out of the zone—whether this is due to movement I can’t say, as I wasn’t directly behind homeplate like I was on Sunday afternoon.

Motte throws absolute smoke, hitting 97 on the gun, but the ball just doesn’t seem to move that much, and he gave up to sharp singles on fastballs that ended up losing Memphis the game in the bottom of the ninth.

I was impressed with Freese at the plate—he has legit power (4 HR, 5 2B so far this season) and he has a good idea of what pitches he handles best and is good at sitting on those. He doesn’t have great range at third, but has a good arm and doesn’t try to do too much.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 28, 2008 1:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's gotta be a record, right?

“it’s very rare for any pitcher to throw 125 innings in any month anymore, let alone april.”

I’d like to see a table of how pitchers who tossed 125 innings in a month fared over time ;-)

by goodymobb on Apr 28, 2008 9:10 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

it's been done...

pud galvin’s a hall of famer!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BUF/1883.shtml

go cards, o's, and phillies.

...boiler up.

by moboiler on Apr 28, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

gotta love the dead ball

The staff pitches 859 innings and gives up 12 HRs. Funny

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

great post

and i second the best wishes to matty mo. always one of my favorite cardinals. sad to see his career end already, but he had a pretty good run.

by TheFranchise9 on Apr 28, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Matty Mo

The performance by him that will forever be etched in my mind was during the 2001 NLDS when he went toe-to-toe with the much ballyhooed Curt Schilling. In Game 1, he lost a 1-0 duel, going 7 innings and surrendering 1 run. In Game 5, he went 8 innings, allowing 1 run, before Steve Kline gave up a walkoff single to Tony Womack (his less-remembered RBI single of that postseason).

Congratulations on a great career, Matt.

by bgh on Apr 28, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Nice take on Walt

Would that big game he hunts be light hitting middle infielders or broken down pitchers he dumps on pitching coaches to fix.

Haven’t seen anything in the P-D today about this, all NFL draft I guess, but the Houston broadcasters said during the game yesterday that before the game Yadi was working with The Secret Weapon taking grounders at third base. Now to me thats news. Flashbacks of Todd Zeile anyone?

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Apr 28, 2008 9:31 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I bet he was just screwing around

Noooo way he has the quickness to play third. Then again, there’s nooooo way Aaron Miles has the arm/range to play third or short.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 28, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

According to St. Louis TV

he also took some grounders at short; Horton said it was an exercise to “keep his hands soft,” but added, “being able to play another position always helps the club.”

Yadi probably could play 3B in a pinch; just play the position like Joe Torre did… play everybody “in”, and get what you can…

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 28, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Did you see the Tony

reply about when Glaus went out of the game earlier in the year and Miles replaced at third? (mlb.com)

Paraphrasing.. “What would we have done without Miles?” Sigh, I’ll never see what he sees in that guy :(

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 28, 2008 11:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

you may

have to further adjust your expectations.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Apr 28, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Does Aaron =Tony

Does Tony look at Miles and see what his career could have looked like if he hadn’t hurt the shoulder? I really don’t know what kind of player he might have been. Does anyone know what kind of prospect he was? Is there a website out the anywhere that examines these kind of things? Can the guys over at Future Redbirds have a spin-off called Past-Future-Never-Were-Redbirds and let me know?

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I read on another board

It was a bet between Yadi and Oquendo. Yadi had to field 8 out of 10 to win a steak dinner; apparently he got all 10.

Dave

by SydneyDave on Apr 28, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Joe Morgan has the answer!

While watching Sunday night baseball last night the always correct Joe Morgan was giving a run down of the Catching Molinas and mentioned that Yadi wasn’t originally a catcher. He started his baseball career at third and then moved behind the plate. Maybe it wouldn’t be as much of a stretch as we think???

Of course, it was Joe Morgan so who knows what the hell he was actually talking about.

by birdo rojo on Apr 28, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

TLR's observation factor

Well, my feelings on the pitch count issue aside (is TLR the new Dusty Baker?)....

The problem with TLR’s assertion that you can see a pitcher getting tired is that when you see it…it’s too late.

When the pitcher starts looking tired, there’s not enough time to get someone warmed up and into the game before the pitcher finishes the inning. Well, there could be if TLR would get some guys up….but then that’s unnecessary abuse on thier arm if they don’t end up coming in.

When Wainwright was clearly laboring in the 9th, no one was up. Therefore, no one was available to sub in and Wainwright was force to struggle through the inning with a tired arm and a climbing pitch count.

TLR may be able to see it, but how often will he be able to react to it?

I think a better answer would to just plan on removing him and to already have someone ready.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 28, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm with you 100% Ray, with 1 exception

I know exactly what you are saying. If Wainer were still throwing free and easy, hell, leave him in. But he wasn’t. His fasball was clocking at something like 86mph, and he had no control with it. Once a pitcher starts to labor, that usually means his legs are pretty much shot, and once his legs are shot, he puts more stress on his arm to try to generate velocity. That is when injuries happen.

OTOH, I know where Tony was coming from. The kid had thrown a good game. It was a tie score. He is our ace (for now, anyway). Show him that you believe in him by letting him try to get a win. Tony seems to love these “statements of action”. By leaving him in there, he is trying to tell Wagonmaker that he has enough confidence in him to finish the game.

I believe that if the Cards led the game in the 8th, Waino would have not come back out for the 9th at all.

Thanks for the great outings, Adam, Kyle, and Kyle. Thanks to you guys, our aging bullpen finally got some much-needed rest.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Apr 28, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just don't know

I see what you are saying about “statements of action”. Maybe that’s important for some people.

Confidence and attitude doesn’t seem to be an issue with Wainer, however. Does Adam really need to pitch the 9th inning to know TLR has confidence in him? This kid did close in the WS, afterall…started game one….was groomed for an upper spot in the rotation from day one.

And, what is the long-term cost of a one-inning confidence boost? Is arm surgery next year worth Wainer knowing TLR ‘believes’ in him?

by RedbirdRay on Apr 28, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I totally agree with you.

I think the root problem is the antiquated “win” statistic. Tony wanted Adam to get the win. If LaDuncan ever realized that a useless statistic is not worth risking a pitcher’s arm for, then our rotation would probably look something like:

Matt Morris
Chris Carpenter
Adam Wainwright
and who cares is 4 and 5.

As another vote of confidence, after Tony and Dave ruin his arm, they will rush him back from surgery just to show him how much they believe in him.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Apr 28, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Getting him a "Win"

To begin with, I’d rather have him get a “win” in September of this year, and maybe 20 “wins” in 2009 than to put his arm to the grindstone in April for some arbitrary, meaningless statistic. Not that TLR said he was leaving him in to get Wainwright a “win,” because he didn’t. If that was the reason, it is idiotic.

What’s more, Wainwright doesn’t care about this stupid, arbitrary statistic. When asked about losing out on a win vs. Milwaukee last week, this was his response:

“Don’t kid yourself,” Wainwright said. “If our team could win all 30 of my remaining starts, I don’t care if I get one of them as long as we win every game.”

If we want him to have multiple seasons of 30 starts, someone had better have a come to Mozeliak meeting with TLR.

The Dusty Baker reference is fantastic. TLR is Exhibit A for grinding pitchers into the DL and Dusy Baker, Version Chi-ca-go, is Exhibit B. What’s more, if TLR is using his “subjective” assessment, how did he not take Wainwright out? He was struggling, big time, with a drop in velocity and loss of control.

I apologize for my tone, but there seems to be a disregard for players’ health in this organization that is unfathomable to me.

by bgh on Apr 28, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

SB Nation guys:

thank you so much for giving individual comments their individual scrollbars. Fantastic innovation.

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by Valatan on Apr 28, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Organizational disregard

While we are talking about pitcher abuse, I was troubled that Jaime Garcia got pushed out an extra inning yesterday too. I can see the logic behind Wainwright, though I don’t completely agree. I don’t see why you’d trot Garcia back out to push him over 100 pitches, after going a very efficient 99 the start before.

Wins and losses in AA are very secondary. I don’t know why you’d do that to a top pitching prosepct who just is coming off elbow issues. In April nonetheless. I think he needs the baby glove treatment if anybody does, and apparently he isn’t getting it.

So yeah, I agree with you. This has become a bit of an issue throughout the whole organization.

by Merry CRasmus on Apr 28, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Quoting Redbirdray

“The problem with TLR’s assertion that you can see a pitcher getting tired is that when you see it…it’s too late.”

That is such a true statement and I have seen so many pitchers abused over the years. I mean right before my eyes watching a game, knowing it was happening. But it will continue. Often times a manager has such an over worked bull pen that he doesn’t know which way to go. A tired pitcher is the only way to go. You damage the one on the mound or you risk injuring a tired arm from the bullpen rushing to heat up and come in and throw under pressure. Bob Gibson had a great career but it should have been longer because he was one of the most abused pitchers of his time.

Often a manager just has a tendency to override a good horse. That is why I have a soft spot for pitchers. They risk so much every time they appear and I dislike umpires that squeeze the strike zone on pitchers. I favor umpires with a liberal strike zone. Makes hitters get bats off their sholders and put the ball in play. How many times do you see a hitter lay off a ball that could be called a strike and the umpire give him a break and call it a ball, only to see the hitter on the next pitch swing at the pitch a foot outside and ground weakly to 2nd base. Now I’m not saying umpiring is bad.
It is generally good, but I’m saying If I personally was a MLB umpire, word would soon get around that I was fair, but a pitcher umpire and in late inning you better get the bat off your sholder against a tired pitcher because the Pitcher is going to get the benefit of the doubt. I say this because I see umpires that do this and I think it makes for a better game.

by ridgesee on Apr 28, 2008 10:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Pen

I wonder why teams don’t use a shuttle-system to save thier pen?

I might be misunderstanding options, but if a guy has already wasted an option year….you can just send him back and forth right?

I don’t see why teams don’t use a shuttle to help bullpen stress/overuse. Last week, when the pen was overworked and TLR was worried about it….couldn’t we tell KMac “hey, you are going down for 3 days. You will be right back. We want to rest your arm.” Then, call up a guy on the 40-man who already has an option wasted (like Motte). Get a fresh arm or two in there for a few days and reset.

This wouldn’t always work out, of course. You would have to choose minor leaguers on the 40-man who weren’t in the same boat as the big league bullpen guys. The minor league options might be beat up at the same time.

Teams seem to occasionally do this for spot-starters, but I don’t see it often with the pen.

by RedbirdRay on Apr 28, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

or...

I guess you could pick a minor league whom you didn’t really care about wasting an option on. If you had some guy who was basically filling a minor league roll but you didn’t believe was going to develop into a big-leaguer…you could call him up for a cpl days just in case you needed some mop-up duty.

Sure, you would have to pay him more on the year. Wouldn’t the future of your big-league pitchers be worth it?

by RedbirdRay on Apr 28, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The minor league option system is sooo misunderstood...

This technically makes the shuttle system more advantageous and especially with the relief prospects we have it doesn’t make too much sense why we wouldn’t but anyway: There are no such thing as “options”. There are “option years”, as soon as a player is on the 40-man roster he has 3 option years. In an option year, a player can be sent up and down as many times in the year as possible, (each time he is sent down he can’t be brought back up for 10 days). So if a guy is on the 40-man (Motte) he can be called up and down as you please…which is why early in the year when the pen was spent I was pushing for him to be called up for like 3 days just to get some big league innings and spare the rest of the pen.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 28, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

Thanks for clarifying

the process. Is this statement correct? Player Zulu was added to the 40 man roster in Dec 2007. He can be optioned between the Majors and Minors during 2008, 2009 and 2010.

by ubeddie on Apr 28, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Under 99% of circumstances yes

.......except unless all three option years have been used when a player has been in pro baseball period for less than 5 years like Anthony Reyes there is a fourth option year but that rarely ever happens as guys who are good enough to get called up don’t need that extra option year….

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 28, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what would it take

to expand the active roster to 26? Then the pen would have the extra arm that seams to be needed. I can’t believe the players association would be against it. The manangers should be all for it. So why not add an extra player?

by nybirdfan on Apr 28, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The best way to prevent the pen being overworked, IMO

Is to have bullpen guys work more 2 and 3 inning stints if they are throwing well, like McClellan did yesterday. Now McClellan has to take a powder for a couple of days but all of the other guys are ready to go. There really is no excuse for having an overworked 7-man bullpen unless you are too one-batter matchup happy (not that we know any managers like that around here). I also agree with RedbirdRay that there is no reason you can’t bring in a fresh arm from Memphis every once in a while. I think if you get sent down you can’t come up again for 10 days though, but I’m not 100% sure about that.

by mikedallas45 on Apr 28, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

McClellan

I can’t believe he actually threw 32 pitches yesterday. It seemed like they were hitting the first pitch on every at bat except the strikeouts. I am pretty sure my eyes were playing tricks on me though. Wow, he does have some nasty stuff though. Is it too much to hope that he ends up in the rotation next year?

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pitchers

are one of the most impressive types of athletes around. you have to be unflinching both in the sense of getting hit by a fast moving, hard object, as well as in situations where you can lose the game in an instant. complete games are also one of the most impressive accomplishments in sports, so at least wainwright reached a sort of milestone, notching a complete game and giving him more of a sense of accomplishment. not that he needed it, but it’s always nice. here’s hoping LaRussa doesn’t do this type of situation to him again, because it was uncalled for and dangerous to his health.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Glaus's vision

Okay so, ... Troy Glaus is making over $12M this year. He averages about 600 ABs when healthy. His defense is okay…so I’ll say $11M of his salary is for those 600 ABs. That’s like $18K per AB.

He waits until he strikes out… with the bases loaded… TWICE... before he says ‘oh hey, btw, I can’t see crap’.

What is the deal with overpaid thirdbasemen not reporting health problems? Again, They’re paying $18K per AB. Someone can afford to buy some eye drops!!!

by redbird2006 on Apr 28, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

What was wrong with Glaus's vision anyway? I didn't catch the whole story on the TV yesterday.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Apr 28, 2008 9:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Night Damp Games in St. Loius

only at home plate causes his eyes to water. Allergies are being blamed.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 28, 2008 9:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I Gotta Be Honest...

That’s not too far fetched. The guy’s played ball now in Anaheim (beautiful), Phoenix (Has anyone ever had allergy issues there?), and Toronto (I have no idea what allergies are like there, to be fair…) but I know that St Louis, especially for someone like me, is murder with allergies. I’ve got a baseball on the side of my face where it’s swollen up behind my ear at my jaw joint and I haven’t taken a breath through my knows since 2007. If Glaus is experiencing allergies in his StL games, I don’t think it’s too far fetched.

by mynameistyler on Apr 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Me too

and if you pull out all of the night games here at home, his numbers really look great and his strikeouts are really down.

It’s no secret that his numbers exploded when we went on the road, and this may very well be why

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 28, 2008 10:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

inside

and most of his games while he was in Phoenix and Toronto were inside.
I am thinking people would bitch if he would have said something about it earlier.
Can we all agree not to overreact ? The Cards are doing a lot better than we expected, plus it isn’t like Troy has been stinking it up ala Tino.

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pink Eye?

Does anyone else remember Ricky Horton say that he was fighting Pink Eye?

by gonzostl on Apr 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

here’s a link is you want to catch up to what’s going on.

In short, something at night is really making his eyes water and they’re not sure what specifically. Allergies possibly.

Considering that his career is mainly Canada, Cali and Arizona it’s easy to see it come up as a suprise all of the sudden.

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Houston Announcers

were saying he has been battling “pink eye”. I’ve never had it, but I hear its terrible.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Apr 28, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

When someone says Pink Eye

they are usually referring to bacterial conjuctivities which is very contagious. But, right now allergens are so bad a lot of people have allergy conjuctivities (ie: eyes are watery, itchy, and swelling due to allergens in the air).

My poor little 5 yo’s eyes looked like he’d been in a fist fight Friday and his Doc’s office says they have had lots of kids in with similiar problems. Daycare and school isreporting half the classes with it as well.

by deerhart on Apr 28, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm experiencing the same thing

I had to watch all the NBA games and the Cardinals game out of one eye because the other was watering so bad yesterday.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If Glaus smacks dingers when you’re watching the game one eyed, you need to become a pirate. (read: Blackbeard, not team)

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 28, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

or you need to watch more games one eyed

Whichever. I would consider poking myself in the eye if that would work

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was Pink Eye

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 28, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, he wasn’t speechless during the day he struck out twice. He had communicated the issues to the trainer on both occasions. Got eye drops before those at bats and gave it a go.

He was pulled mainly because he couldn’t even see a couple of pitches at all in the second at bat. Going up against a guy with control issues and not seeing the pitch wouldn’t exactly be all that safe.

He’s not just playing pretty good defense, his defense is great thus far. Near tops in the majors in total chances, and errors per inning played. Nothing like his history advertised.

He’s seeing the Dr today to see if they can figure it all out, but it’s clear that it’s not as simple as eye drops.

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 28, 2008 9:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Troy, vision, and nicknames

Troy, who wore glasses or contacts starting in childhood, had laser eye surgery done before the 2004 season