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After watching the Cardinals and Astros empty the dugouts (and bullpens) twice in as many days, I found myself musing about the differing reactions of the umpires viz-a-viz the ballplayers, fans, and announcers involved; and the changes in baseball culture since the late 1970s.

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Cards' skipper Tony LaRussa praised the umpiriing crew in this article; kudos to the "Men In Black" for stopping any possible fights before they got started.  Nobody got ejected; nobody gets suspended... as an erstwhile umpire myself, I can testify that umpires really don't want to have to fill out the paperwork required when they have to send the "boys" to their clubhouse for baseball's version of "time-out."

I can also testify that getting hit with a thrown or batted baseball hurts! (It's an occupational hazard for umpires; foul tips are no respecter of persons, and sometimes you simply can't get the heck out of the way of a line drive.) So, I can understand batters objecting to having baseballs whiz past tender parts of their anatomy. But the game's reaction has changed since the late 1970s.

Take Saturday's contest; Cards' catcher Jason LaRue gets plunked by 'Stros ace Roy Oswalt... ouch! LaRue takes his base without comment. Cards' hurler Adam Wainwright apparently took it upon himself to remind the Houston club that he also has a baseball that he can throw close to a batter's body; sailing a pitch well behind Brad Ausmus' backside in the following half-inning. Ausmus objects, vehemently; but is restrained by the umpiring crew, LaRue, and Astros' coaches. Now, had Ausmus complained, "Whaddaya throwin' at me for? I'm hittin' oh-freakin'-80!!!," he could have claimed the moral high ground. From my admittedly comfortable seat in front of the TV, it appeared to me that Wainwright's pitch sailed away from Ausmus, and never really got close to him. The Wagonmaker (sounds like the title for a '50s TV Western, doesn't it?) never says a mumblin' word to Ausmus, and the game continues without further incident.

On Sunday, fan "favorite" Brandon Backe got lit up for four runs and consecutive extra-base hits by Ryan Ludwick and Troy Glaus (First Homer As a Cardinal.. Hooray!!) When plate umpire Jim Joyce granted "time" to Yadier Molina just prior to a Backe pitch, the next delivery sails up under Yadi's chin.  Quoting from Matthew Leach's MLB.com article,

"I wasn't expecting it," Molina said. "I wasn't expecting that pitch that close, right in my face. If you're going to try to hit somebody, you've got to do it in the body. You can't throw it in the head. That's not professional. That's not baseball. That's not human."

Later, Leach quoted "Bad-Boy" Backe:

"I can understand him getting a little upset because it was so high," Backe said. "But I didn't try to hit him by any means. I'm trying to get in there. Part of the scouting report against him is to throw the ball inside on him and jam him.

"I think he overreacted as far as causing such a big scene. But I don't think that he shouldn't have gotten mad at me for throwing the ball up around his head. Like I said, I didn't mean to do that. But it's the game. That's just the way it goes. He can get as mad as he wants, but it wasn't on purpose."

Molina was still seething over the pitch after the game, and not apologetic for his reaction on the field.

"Overreacted, man? You see that replay?" he said. "He tried to hurt me. I'm 100 percent. That's not professional. If somebody is trying to hurt you, you're going to react that way. You react that way, you want to let him know that you're mad. You can't play with other players that way."

Nobody threw a punch, nobody got ejected... Although, when mild-mannered Cards' broadcaster Ricky Horton was surprised that Backe was allowed to continue, Backe's protestations of innocence ring a little hollow. There's a b-i-g difference between "in on the hands" and "up under the chin."

Twasn't always thus... the players used to police themselves back in the day; although "retaliation" was often fairly subtle... Bob Gibson used to throw over a batter's head to send a message that "decking" Cardinals' hitters came with a price. The batter would duck, the "message" was delivered; nobody got plunked, nobody got suspended, move along, nothing to see here, people...

Now, had the umpiring crew known of Backe's previous contretemps over Albert Pujols' baserunning, they might well have excused the Galveston native to the showers on Sunday. The two teams don't meet again until May 27 at Busch, and there's no guarantee that Backe will even pitch against the Cards in that series. If any batters are hit with pitched balls in that series, I suspect the cause will be an inside pitch that "misses" too far inside.

But if he did, and I was his mound opponent... well, in the words of Nolan Ryan (about Lenny "Nails" Dykstra,) "That young man needs a bow tie." And bow ties, as we all know, are worn right under the chin!

What do you think? Does today's "warning" system keep hitters safer, or not?

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On the subject of Bob Gibson

people are often taken to grandiose when recounting a tale of Gibson’s ‘mean streak’ but this one is actually true.

On July 3rd, 1967 the Cardinals and Reds were playing in the first game of a 3 game series. The Cardinals jumped all over Milt Pappas in the first inning for 7 runs. In the second inning, with the 7 run lead, Brock is gunned down trying to steal 2nd. The Reds were none-too-pleased and in the 4th inning, they drilled Brock for it. In the 5th inning, Gibby gets Tony Perez to fly out to RF and takes exception with the fact that he is running on the IF grass and not the baseline. Gibby starts screaming at him , the benches clear , alot of feet shuffling and eventually the St. Louis Police is called in to restore order.

The point of bringing this up? The police had to be called in to stop this ruckus and NO ONE WAS THROWN OUT OF THE GAME.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I was AT that game!

‘Twas a “Straight-A Night” at Busch II… earlier in the at-bat, Gibby had thrown one about two feet over Perez’ head; message delivered.

The crowd of “Brainiacs” (we weren’t called “geeks” until much later) was screaming for blood like Romans at the Coliseum! Good times…

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 28, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post.

Really nice post here.

Also, I think the next time somebody gets hit we’re going to see a melee. Like, a real bench-clearing brawl. There’s a lot of bad blood between the Cards and Astros that goes back to 2004-2005, and it doesn’t surprise me at all that it’s the players that were on those teams (Molina, Pujols, Backe, Ausmus etc) that are the ones getting into it.

I’m calling Backe hitting Pujols or Molina the next time he faces them.

by mattisnotfrench on Apr 28, 2008 6:21 AM EDT reply actions  

waino

I did like that wainwrights pitch (that got away from him) sailed behind the hitter. Similar to your Gibson tendency to throw over the head – the message is sent without any injury, ejection, or suspensions.

by cdb on Apr 28, 2008 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

i also loved wainwright's quote about it...

something like “i was competing.” not exactly a confirmation or denial…

by mattybobo on Apr 28, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

though I don’t think there was any question as to whether it was an accident….

by cdb on Apr 28, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roger Clemens

once thought a runner at second was stealing signs. He called time, walked towards the runner, and said, “If you don’t stop, I’m going to bury the guy at the plate.” The runner stopped.

I think pitchers have to protect themselves and their teammates. Pitchers have to be allowed to move batters off the plate. Hitters today package themselves with all sorts of body armor that their whining about inside pitches rings hollow. If you dive into the pitch, you have to expect the occasional ball to sail up and in. I thought Backe’s pitch was tight but allowable. Yadi could see it the whole way, and he was crowding the plate.

The current system allows for one freebie—the first guy gets to plunk someone with impunity, but the subsequent pitcher(s) and manager get tossed. That’s unfair. This system seems to allow “bad blood” to linger until the next game or series. Do pitchers ever get fined for hitting a batter?

by gocards62 on Apr 28, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The body armor is illegal except for the grandfathered guys, I thought

I really haven’t seen may people other than Biggio and Bonds with it in a while.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Apr 28, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so too

but Barton had a pretty huge one on last week

by mattyfrommo on Apr 28, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi has an open stance

He doesn’t exactly crowd the plate.

by spants on Apr 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edit

Yadi has an open stance this year.

by spants on Apr 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edit

Today…

He’s hit better since sticking w/ that open stance starting in the 06 playoffs.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Apr 28, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference

has been stark as he can now actually hit the ball. Still, Yadi doesn’t crowd the plate. That was my point.

by spants on Apr 29, 2008 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was surprised about Backe being able to stay in the game

Because before he threw the pitch he was arguing with Yadi. If he wasn’t going back and fourth with Yadi there I would have a different view of it. He got upset that Yadi got the time called and threw it at his head.

However; No harm not foul. Umps did do a good job there.

Waino’s pitch would not have hurt Ausmus that much if it did hit him. It was thrown at ass level. Im sure having a bruse butt might hurt your pride. But it’s a bit different than a pitch that is inside at eye level. Waino’s came after a 1 hbp and a few pitches already thrown inside. It was more of a “hey, remember, I have a ball too. Be carefull when going inside.”

Backe seem more like, “oh yeah, I’ll show you who called time.”

by Evilfrog on Apr 28, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The way that inning was going

I thought the umps were doing us a favor by letting Backe keep pitching.

by liam on Apr 28, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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