Game 25 Open Thread- The Hangover
by the red baron on Apr 26, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
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Roy Oswalt Adam Wainwright
2-3, 6.00 2-1, 2.75
Okay, everybody. Gather round, gather round, now. Don't be shy.
Show of hands: who didn't see that coming?
A friend of mine scored last minute tickets to the game from his father, a season ticket holder, who didn't want to go and brave the elements. And so I found myself at the stadium last night, as Friday turned into Saturday, watching as the Cardinals let yet another one get away. Not a single person in that stadium, all fifty or so of us left, I think, was at all surprised by the ending. You could feel it coming, as the Cardinals let the Astros continue to hang around, never scoring the big blow to put the game away, until the Houston bats finally found a way to break through. Chacon threw 55 pitches, I believe, through the first two innings. Imagine my surprise, then, when I looked up at the end of the sixth and saw him somehow, someway, still on the mound, and not yet at a hundred.
This is beginning to be one of the more confounding teams I can recall, at least in certain ways. They continue to put absurd numbers of baserunners on; they continue to strand pretty much every one of them. Eleven more left on base last night, with the bases left loaded twice early in the game. I have to wonder a bit if Troy Glaus's eyes were bothering him during his at bats, or if he simply heard the smattering of boos after his second K with the sacks jammed and left the game before he broke baseball's most sacred rule, the one about no crying. I feel bad for Glaus; he's been very good lately, yet he doesn't seem to have managed to build up any sort of good will cache. The natives are restless, and a lot of the ire seems to be directed toward Santa. Not saying it's right, just reporting the mood of the crowd.
Of course, with a two hour rain delay before the game, I doubt I need to tell you what we did to pass the time. Luckily, I had brought an umbrella, so we were only cold while wandering downtown, drinking and waiting for the game to begin, rather than cold and soaked.
Izzy is really beginning to worry me, because it doesn't look like there's anything really all that wrong with him. He was throwing the ball hard last night, with at least one 95 on the stadium gun that I saw. He doesn't look hobbled, like he did so often in the 2006 campaign; he just isn't getting the job done lately. It's unfortunate, because this team doesn't have the margin for error to make up for the closer to try and work through his issues on the field.
More than that, though, this offense needs a shot in the arm. I have no idea where it's going to come from, unfortunately, because there aren't really any deals to be made this time of year. I can't imagine a team really looking to move any sort of run producer this early; no one's even really close to being out of it yet. So what's the answer? Do we rehash the lineup discussions again? Does the team need to start being more aggressive at the plate, rather than looking to get on base? That doesn't seem to be a good idea to me; everything I know about the game suggests that more baserunners should equal more runs. I wonder about it a bit, though. Is this team too patient? Personally, I don't think so, but I'm curious to hear what anyone else has to say on the matter.
The offense's job doesn't get any easier today, with Roy Oswalt on the hill for Houston. One of our longtime nemeses, I would love nothing more than to hang about six runs in three innings on Roy, but I don't see it happening. Oswalt struggled mightily in his first three starts of the season, as his breaking ball was nowhere to be found, but he has since righted the ship, much to our collective dismay. I'm hoping to see a little different look in the batting order today; maybe a little shakeup is just what the team needs to get it going. Then again, maybe not. But it certainly can't get much worse than five walks in the first two innings, against Shawn @$&!*$ Chacon, and pushing across two- count 'em- two runs. You may want to throw a shutout today, Adam, to try and avoid another loss on your record.
Enough spleen. I'm going to try and find some way to get rid of this headache. At the very least, I would like to cure the current one before incurring another. Happy Saturday, folks. Enjoy the game.
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Izzy scares me.
How has Perez been pitching this year?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez
So far 8.2 innings, 9K’s, 2BB’s, and one dinger. So far his control is much better than last year, but I’m fully prepared for some Mitch Williams moments when he eventually gets the call.
by mikedallas45 on Apr 26, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, sometimes pitchers that throw hard and wild can be quite effective.....
Think of the batter-is he going to dig in if he thinks he might get bonked on the chin? You can survive walks if you can miss bats and limit the homeruns. The worry for me would be entering the game with runners on base. Looks like he’s improved on the BB’s this year anyway.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 26, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sure
I think he’ll be pretty effective (and maybe have better control eventually than the original Wild Thing) but when he does have the occasional control meltdown he’s going to make people a little crazy around here.
by mikedallas45 on Apr 26, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not uncommon...
...in the world of sports to come across a feel-good team that plays with energy and enthusiasm but just doesn’t have the talent to consistently win. The Cards have been overachievers so far. That’s probably not news to anyone. But, then again, I get the impression by a lot on this sight that the Cards are UNDERachieving so far.
The last fews years we’ve kept thinking, hearing, and saying ourselves, “When all the pistons start firing at once…” or “when they all start hitting at the same time.” But, when has that happened? We do have some talented guys, and we do have players with higher ceilings than are currently being realized. But we shouldn’t expect them to all miraculously turn it on at the same time. And since they probably won’t, we’ll have to settle for a flawed team that plays hard and comes up oh so short too often for our liking.
But, hey, I’m still optimistic. I’m just a fan, and I listen (yeah, no TV coverage for me) to every game thinking that the Cards will somehow pull it out. Isn’t that part of the game’s greatness?
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"when they all start hitting at the same time." But, when has that happened?
August 2004.
Man that was a fun time. You could see the fear on pitchers faces when they took the mound against us.
Ah. Memories
by Harknights on Apr 26, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I remember some times in 2005, too. I meant to say when has that happened in the last couple of years.
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you've actually made my point
We have to go back quite awhile to remember the thing that we expect to happen every night.
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quality
That’s the problem. When batters (Albert included) do swing they are either picking bad pitches or getting bad swings on them. I love Albert and all but when a pitcher starts the game off by walking the first two batters and isn’t even close to the zone how do you take the bat of your shoulder? Come on Albert you are a great two strike hitter and in the first you should have waited for two strikes. In the ninth, what was Skip swinging at? Well it’s a good thing he did swing the ball might have hit him if he didn’t….and so on a so forth. Really, how many hard hit balls did the Cards have last night?
I just don’t get it. How can a team be so good at taking the walks when they are given to them but get such bad swings on the balls they swing at them?
by Harknights on Apr 26, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip
Was just trying to get a high ball into the outflied to put the runner on third.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever play golf?
I have, and I stink.
But that doesn’t mean I won’t try to hit a cut or a fade every now and then. Why? Because the situation calls for it. The problem is, when I try to do more than my talent allows, I end up in more trouble. It seems to me that a lot of our guys are trying to do more than their talent allows right now. Instead of trying to be so strategic and mechanical, you sometimes just need to stick with the basics.
Too much emphasis on situational hitting can cripple players who aren’t magicians with the stick. Not everybody’s a Wade Boggs or Tony Gwinn.
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel Glaus Duncan
Ankiel will be a great ball player…..If he is not over stressed. The clean-up expectations have him trying to produce “power” over game situation and reason. He is not the same player as he was three weeks ago. He is chasing everything, guessing and pressing. If it wasn’t for the power displays and age, he is playing more like a AA ballplayer as a 19 year old.
Your seeing the “Troy Glaus” of recent years. He came in a salary exchange. The league and scouts already have his number. ........Duncan is hard to figure…..one minute he is stoking the middle, swinging at reasonable pitches. The next he is choking at batting behind Pujol…...he may be “mental”............these teams seem willing to pitch around two hitters at a time to get to Troy…...which is why Duncan walked so much in the last two games. Albert is suffering his reputation.
Westcoastbirdwatcher
by westcoastbirdwatcher on Apr 26, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is said...
that more of what gave you the first headache will cure it… (or one just may get too drunk to care; been a l-o-n-g time since I’ve had occasion to try!)
This recent funk can be laid at the “lack of a timely hit” concern; All closers occasionally “blow up”. Izzy’s save percentage is 86% for his career, 87% since coming to the Cardinals in 2002… Mariano Rivera, generally considered the “gold standard” of closers, has a 90% successful ratio since MLB started keeping track of save opportunities in 1999. (He had 84 saves prior to that.)
Other notables:
Eric Gagne 93% (but only 31 of 39 total - 79% - from 2005 on!)
Trevor Hoffman 79% (He racked up 188 saves prior to 1999, so I dunno how many “blown saves” he had in that period.)
Joe Nathan 90%
Billy Wagner 88% (62 saves prior to 1999)
Francisco “K-Rod” Rodriguez 86%
Brad Lidge 83%
Chad Cordero (Nats) 84%
Francisco Cordero (now with the Reds) 83%
Izzy’s been pretty damn good at a position that generally has a short “shelf life”... Yeah, he got belted last night, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s out there again today, and shuts ‘em down!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Apr 26, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating...
is what I experienced as I stayed up late to watch the game. Didn’t I see Izzy carve up the first guy? Didn’t I see Izzy go up 1-2 on the second guy, only for a harmless ground ball that our back-up third baseman, (Aaron Freaking Miles??), wave at, resulting in a single? That is what I saw. Then the wheels came off. My question, is 1) why is AM still on this team- as his only real defensive postion is second base. 2) Why isn’t our weak hitting shortstop on the DL? 3) Why does the smartest manager in baseball continue to put this team in a hole- by not bringing up healthy players- even for a short time period, rather than keeping a player on the roster that isn’t able to play? Argggggggggg. My head hurts…and I really don’t want to watch Oswalt continue his dominance over us today- thank God I can watch the Rams pick the wrong guy! (Maybe I will play golf)!
by gman79100 on Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no cuts or fades, remember
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Daryl Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms!
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Chris Duncan sent Oswalt an invoice after he broke three bats against him in one game last year.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that's pretty funny
I needed that after that craptastic loss against the ‘stros last night.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 26, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
that think we can give Oswalt a run for his money today? This team, in some cases more than others out of the past ten years, excites me to no end. I look forward to each game more, and I really like the group of guys we have, even though they can piss ya off in a hurry.
Izzy is well, Izzy. He’s probably being used too much this early as been stated a few times. The problem with last night is that we should have never been in a save situation to begin with.
How many times have we had a starting pitcher above 50 pitches after two innings only to see them get an effective outing when it’s all said and done? I would hazard to guess that it has happened more than not. When we go back for our second round against the pitcher we’re not making him continue to work. And if we are, we’re not putting enough runs to chase him out.
Being the first game in the series, it also has series implications as well as now they have a rested relief core for the rest of the series. It’s frustrating.
I can’t wait for Izzy to get his 300th save. I feel he’s probably the most underrated closer in the past decade or so. Even though he’s going to give me an ulcer I love the guy, but I don’t want him to try for th 300th by mid May, I’m happy with July.
Rick needs to get back to hitting for contact rather than swinging for power. The more contact he has, the better his power will follow. Right now he’s swinging through pitches instead of looking for pitches to make contact with.
Glaus’ numbers really don’t look bad at all once you remove the home night games, which leads to if there is a problem in that situation, we need to remedy it. Of course finding anything out from the black box isn’t going to be easy. And I’ll still contend that the past 2-3 years at least, if not longer our biggest liability is the medical staff we’ve had.
Here’s hoping to Glaus using the next couple of day games to put some decent performances up. His defense has been a reasonable suprise, now only if his numbers can average up to match.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Naw you're not the only one.
I always manage to talk myself into the Cardinals scoring 10 runs and our Starter shutting out the other team.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the offense is sort of reminding me of the last couple years. it can be anemic, but then when everything starts clicking, they score 8 runs easily and could score a lot more. how are we going to start getting those clutch hits?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
line-up
According to gameday.
Skippy – RF
Ankiel – CF
Albert – where ever he feels like
Duncan – LF
Gluas – 3B
Kennedy – 2B
LaRue – C
Wainwright – P
Ryan – SS
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
situational hitting....
It seems that we have developed the perception that the cardinals situation hitting stinks. Looking at the numbers, they don’t. Small sample size caveat of course (~300 PA for RISP, ~500 for no one one, ~30 with bases loaded)
Ave, OBP, SLG, OPS, BABIP
RISP: .257 .376 .371 .747 .298
none on: .264 .354 .415 .769 .293
bases loaded: .360 .357 .440 .797 .409
The OPS is slightly higher when the bases are empty, but not by much. And it is actually about 30 points higher with the bases loaded. They are hitting as well with RISP as with bases empty. We weight the RISP situation more heavily so it seems like they always fail, when in fact they ‘succeed’ as often as they normally do. You might argue that they should hit better in RISP situations, which would be great, but we can’t expect that (for what it is worth, the hottest team in baseball does hit better with RISP – the Dbacks have OPS of .882 with RISP compared to .720 with the bases empty, but the BABIP is about 25 points higher with RISP).
by cdb on Apr 26, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
please dont be one of THOSE games after last night
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 26, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainer is not looking sharp right now
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't look that bad
The 1 HR sucked. But Lee look silly on that swing. And his pickoff move looks alright.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Got the slider going against Lee, looked like he got away with one to Berkman
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it always this empty on the weekends?
or is something wrong with the site?
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 26, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone...
Still sleeping off the hang over from last night?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or they're still pissed off ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should get over it.
We’re going to lose at least 50 more this year.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
late game last night
+ tough loss + weekend w/ decent weather all adds up
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has anyone else noticed that Wainer’s Curve is slightly different this year more lateral break than last year
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damnit glaus
not another strikeout
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The man is pressing way too hard.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how many more times are we going to hear about Gibson's 4 solo home run given up win
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 26, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
take one for the team buddy
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, LaRue found a way to get on base, finally ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainer vs. Oswalt
nice
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Wainer
touch ‘em all and get that solo shot back.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't happen...
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor would it have.
It’s hard to hit a solo shot with a man on first.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
atleast we are making him throw some pitches
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta wear him down
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ausmus is an idiot ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can play worth a sh*t, so I guess he thinks this is his contribution ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no tv
what’s happening?
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Daryl Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms!
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ausmus is an idiot
waino threw a ball that went behind Ausmus’s back. Brad then got all bitchy and started yelling, so both benches/bullpens cleared.
no one fought or got ejected.
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 26, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benches clear
Kick his ass, Adam.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stability
my 2 cents is to stabilize the lineup and not try to play prognosticator every game. it doesn’t seem to me that our players are so good that they (e.g., miles) can play 3 positions at an effective major league level day in and day out. same for which outfield position. the business with barton in right instead of left because it is “tricky” is simply over thinking the situation. anyone who plays the same position day in, day out will get a better jump on the ball. you know balls will be hit out there, but maybe never to the tricky part. i just think tony is overdoing it because he is convinced so many of his guys aren’t everyday players. that’s bs to me until proven otherwise. i point out how much luddy improved last year as he got more consistent playing time. can he do it full time? who knows, he’ll never get a chance with tlr. same for ryan.
frustrating
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that's kind of what I think too
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
why would we want to hit AUSMUS of all people?
and why would we retaliate for a pitch that might not have even nicked LaRue’s jersey?
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They hit Adam's Catcher
So he threw behind thiers.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps a LaRue vs Ausmus feud that goes way back?
Ausmus wants LaRue to get hit, LaRue wanted retaliation? Makes sense to me.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
ausmus vs. larue. if they both get kicked out of the game, that will really cripple both teams…
i say let ‘em fight.
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows ... it's all bullshit ...
But maybe it’ll wake us up ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, let's get albert pissed at the stros again
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do admit...
...to slightly enjoying seeing Albert calmly step in front of Wainwright at the start of that little fracas. As if to say please, come at my pitcher, you little, little man.
by six on Apr 26, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ausmus and Pujols
are decent friends. They were the ones that talked to each other after the Towles situation 2 weeks ago.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards'll score 5 runs in the next inning
book it.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats what I am thinking
Wagonmaker as motivator….
by cdb on Apr 26, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's get a W
I gotta go, it’s Draft Day!
bring home a winner
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 26, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, here comes the runs
eewww.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it happens
someone needs to buy you a beer, and you should purchase a lottery ticket too.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love you.
In a nongay Evil type way.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there a delay?
nothings happening on Gameday
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Daryl Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms!
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
never mind
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Daryl Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms!
by 82Special on Apr 26, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip's bat would play so well at 2B
why can’t they try to move him there?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You ever wonder...
If Ankiel goes to the plate thinking, “I threw much better than this guy does.”
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These Cardinals hitters keep spinning out of the way
of Oswalt throwing at them. Hang in there and send his butt to the showers.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Albert's awake ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't play baseball when your sleeping.
It’s a known fact.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow... only 3 more runs to go!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i love it when the ‘stros instigates against us.
I think when we play the cubs soon I should pay someone to talk shit from the dug out and see how fired up we get.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch behind the back
On a related topic, was anyone watching the Cubs vs. Nationals game last night during the rain delay? Lastings Milledge came up to bat and was digging into the batters box for an exceptionally long time and with great zeal. Bob Brenley said that it reminded him of a Bob Gibson story: someone was digging into the batters box in a similar manner and Gibson yelled at the batter to “dig it deep enough to bury yourself in”. Brenley said Gibson then beaned him in the head on the next pitch.
Can anyone verify that the story is true? Tony would blow a gasket if anyone on his team did that.
by CURVEBALL on Apr 26, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that Gibby would purposefully hit a guy
in the head.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought
but I’m not old enough to have seen Gibson play and remember it. I thought it was probably embellishment.
by CURVEBALL on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
old guy chimes in
“fierce competitor” stories have proliferated about Bob Gibson, especially the longer his actual career is a memory. MY memory is that he was in no way a head-hunter. He was the most rhythmical and fluid hurler I have ever seen… and still, that is, be generally in the category of a power pitcher. Others may have looked as smooth in their delivery, but not with the kind of heat and movement on the fastball that Gibby consistently showed.
He looked exactly like what he was - a basketball player on the pitcher’s mound. His style was unimitable; I’ve never seen a pitcher with a similar delivery, and yet it was without quirks - fluid, fluid, fluid.
re hit batsman… I scanned a few career numbers of pitchers of Gibby stature: taking what I arbitrarily rated as their best three year period, the HPB numbers are—
Gibson (66-68) 15; Drysdale (62-64) 31; Ryan (72-74) 26; Clemens (90-92) 21; Seaver (69-71) 15; Marichal (63-65) 7
by the Tewk on Apr 26, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Troy
How about you do something to make up for those two bases loaded strike outs.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here comes Glaus making rain
non-Pacman style.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troy and his blurry vision...
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly how shallow
was that shallow fly ball to right field?
I thought for sure Pujols was gonna be thrown out the way the announcers were talking
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shallow
but Pence ran into Bourn to make the catch,
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think pujols was tagging and heading home no matter what?
or was it heads up base-running, knowing they were going to collide?
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bourn was under it and looked to have position
Then Pence jump in front of him going sideways. Caught the ball and wasn’t in position to make the throw.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus Pence has the throwing arm of a 7 year old girl
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good baserunning, there ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 26, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oswalt
Has 64 pitches in the 3rd…So that means he’ll make it through 8 ininngs right?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can we not make references to last night?
I just ate lunch and want to try and keep it down :P
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad for a guy with blurry vision. Sac fly and advanced the runner on first.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look at his numbers on day games
or road games, he’s actually playing reasonable. i hope they get him something to help at night
I’ll blame Canada, they had to screw him up.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else love Wainwrights demeanor when Ausmus was barking at him?
He just stood there and stared Ausmus down, didn’t even say a thing from what I saw.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boo
I was wrong.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we forgive you
3 will work
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not your fault
Kennedy was batting.
Zing.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 runners went on, we brought three of them home. I love those types of stats!
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overshot that a bit
But still, you were right about them getting woke up.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that must have been a nice shower
I come back and the Cards have 3 runs!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matsui
sure seems to be hitting Waino hard, glad that one didn’t carry.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That one did though
We got a ballgame apparently.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The delay on mlb.tv
is massive.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
delay
from what I can tell, the delay is around 19-20 seconds on my end. I actually get to see the games on real tv today, and possibly tomorrow. I only get to see them when they play the Stros as I am living in Houston.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen worse
like entire minutes. It all matters when you log in.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say, Berkman has the classies move when he hits a HR...
no showboating, just lays his bat on the ground and hustles around the bases. It’s hard to hate him even though he plays for the Astros
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even if he does run the bases like an 8 year old girl
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always not like him much
but that’s just me
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bourn is getting extremely lucky these balls aren't bouncing past him.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I say we put Wainer at 2nd in between starts
Just to get his bat in the lineup. Haha
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the plate patience
but doesn’t it seem awkward when Ryan is doing it? I know he’s new and all, but with his type of swing/run I’d like to see him be a little more aggressive. Guess it helped the pitch count, but he doesn’t look overly comfortable watching and waiting.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
followed up by
Skip ‘ha! you can’t give me a GIDP with two outs, take that!”
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is that even if we fatigue him
with all this patience, aside from Pujols, we’ll just have to single him to death.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glaus gets a double
(crosses fingers)
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Waino
hit a slider in the strikezone at all this game? he got a couple strikes from fouls/foultips, but it seems to really move out of the zone.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that’s the point of a slider, to look like it’s in the zone so the batter goes to swing at it, just to have it slide out and have him miss.
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by cardwash on Apr 26, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
right
I’m saying they’ve generally not even been close, I was curious because I don’t know how much he depends on it. If he’s using it as a setup pitch, or not.
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.tv just froze
why???
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
Nothing exciting happened accept ankiel and Albert getting out.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's crap!
crap I tell ya.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
will they pinch hit for Oswalt he is at 97 pitches
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised they would let him face the murderer’s row of Glaus, Kennedy, and LaRue with a high pitch count
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what the Cardinals need
is a HR to get out of this offensive funk
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no homers since April 18, I would say they are due
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow I hadn't realized that it had been that long
When ank is slumping and Albert is getting walked we really have no power do we?
by TxCardFan on Apr 26, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Ludwick isn't playing
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy hit a double
brb. Im going to go mark this on my calander.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You read it here first
Kennedy will have more extra base hits than Larue will have hits this year. /sarcasm
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the tally as of right now, Kennedy 2, LaRue 1
by mizzoustlfan on Apr 26, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we now have 6, count em, 6, extra-base hits total
from Miles, Kennedy, and Izturis so far this year.
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the fact..
there is still bad blood between these teams, even though neither team is where they used to be.
by thewizard3 on Apr 26, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes it interesting
When they sucking. The Pirates could use a nice hated Rival.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Adam,
111 pitches, get on base so we can chase Oswalt out with 3 innings of bullpen
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uhhh, why no sac bunt?
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he could hit a homer
more easily than a lot of our hitters
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause Wainwright makes louder outs
than Izturis makes hits.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ryan drives in these runs
Izturis will start tomorrow.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheew
Thank goodness.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all right Ryan
time for first hit of the day
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap
looks like izt is back
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like
them letting the ‘Stros hang around like this. We need to be finishing them off.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how come everytime someone says something like.
“i dont like letting so and so hang around like this…”
They tie it up.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because baseball has a rhthym to it
and often times you can pick up on it fairly easy.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frikking Berkman
That guy just kills us every time it seems
by mikedallas45 on Apr 26, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't even a strike
it was a foot off the plate.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happens
I just like that fact that the HRs adam does give up are solo shots.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's why
I don’t like him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 hits
3 homers… wtf
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Astros have as many HRs in this game
than we do with every game added together since April 17.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shiznit
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it’s 2 very, very weak hits and 3 375+ homers. lol
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still sharp
that HR by Berkman was ridiculous.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so wainer finally let some homers in a game, big deal, as long as he keeps them solo homers and far and few between
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by cardwash on Apr 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berkman or Derrek Lee?
If you couldn’t have Pujols, and you had to choose one of those two to be your first baseman, who would you pick?
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Derek Lee
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is a better defensive player
Berkman isn’t as brittle.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top of the line up.
Lets throw up some more runs. Give Adam the lead. And then we can give Reyes the save. Or Adam the complete game.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lee
i hate berkman
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Apr 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon boys
let’s have a barrage of homeruns. now.
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it weird that every inning we don't score runs in
I run over to check mlbtraderumors.com to see if we signed Bonds? :D
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonds
what if he comes back and just sucks?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think
that that would happen
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's getting pretty old
and tiresome
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you release him
and all it cost you was money. No players.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha do the cards know they can do this with iz2 and miles?
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently not
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sayin it's a bad idea
But which outfielder do we send down?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha im with you...
but no chance it will ever happen
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loogy out there, why no Barton PH here?
by mikedallas45 on Apr 26, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's a conspiracy
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony is using the
“We can get on the other side of this wall if we just keep running into it” approach for Ankiel busting out of his slump. Just keep running into the wall until it falls down, damn it!
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
intentional walk time?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no.
two run blast time.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
intentional unintentional?
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols hurt himself
on that foul ball.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should abolish the hit and run
and just go with straight steals. We’d have 15 steals by now.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well Albert
you can’t win ‘em all
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team is so terrible offensively, it's hard to fathom
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not that bad
when considering how many baserunners we get. hopefully the luck will turn…
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
its amazing. I’d thought we’d be complaining about the starting pitching by now. If that falls apart….well i dont wanna think about it.
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. let's not even talk about that happening.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like every game Wainwright's started this year
has been a nail-biter. we need this one, start hitting!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boxscore
5-4 W
1-5 L
5-4 W
4-3 ND
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Horton taking shots at TLR
with the “Brendan Ryan fields his position very, very smooth”.
Ha.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've always liked his fielding
and he’s a lot of fun to watch playing
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Redskins fan
but the Rams should have traded out of that spot. Heck, they should still trade Long to Oakland.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they were getting an offer good enough to trade down...
I’m very happy with the C. Long pick.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't they take Dorsey?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
need DE more
carriker staying at DT, rams have depth at DT and no DE past little
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if Waino gets Bourn out unscathed
Do you send a tired Wainwright out in the 9th? Or which of our clutch-challenged bullpen members do you send?
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we don't score
I say you send him again. One more inning…
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so do u leave waino to finish it im he doesnt come up
he looked very sharp but should he really pitch to berkman again
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leave him out there is what I do
but LaRussa will get Franklin or Springer in for no-reason. It’s dogmatic.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let him hit
You need Barton and Ludwick vs LHP in the 9th.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike him out looking
with a 12-6 Curveball?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
wagonmaker been left in too long the last 2 outings. i prefer him healthy as he is out only legit starter at this point
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agrees with the first part
doesn’t really see the second point
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just my opinion
that most of our staff is pitching over its head up to this point in the season
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't even get to 100 last outing.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
2 of the last 4 he’s been up over 100
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
that Duncan pic cracks me up every time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Troy
what’s the pollen count?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just hit a homer!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If LaRue comes up
Do you pinch hit Ludwick for him and let Yadi finish up?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but who is the emergency catcher?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!
But it won’t be done.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm about to take another shower
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, how about in the 9th
you let Adam bat for himself and pitch the 10th?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not unless he gets thru the 9th in 10 pitches or less.
by sbentley on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have too many leadoff type hitters
remember when this was a concern?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if by leadoff
you mean too many hitters with no chance for an extra bases hit then yes you are correct
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
and back then we had all kinds of power. It has certainly flip flopped.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Kennedy decieves you
he swings like Ken Griffey but hits like Kent Bottenfield.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Put down the phone, TLR
Don’t make the change.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let him pitch
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where'd everybody go?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still here
Adam is still in there with two outs.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do... not... seek... the... bullpen...
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just no one whine
About Tony leaving adam in there if Berkman hits his 3rd.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Adam's game
he’s earned to win or lose it.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't
Just have to tip your cap.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he walks Tejada
he’s out.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look what I found!
says Troy.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all right
now just feed berkman some garbage
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have been impressed
with how easy glaus makes his defense look
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is throwing a changeup
is that it?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think so
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walk Berkman
no one up in the pen. It’s up to Adam one way or another.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that when a pitcher is up over 100 pitches
we make him throw over to 1st.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Automatic Ball
for going to his mouth.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's alot of 'em
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cards are going to need all the pitching they can get
if they are going to be in this many tight games
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great game adam!
who else regularly does 7, much less gets eight and change?
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
barton can't even make it to the 8th inning
ha!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That walk should be it for Adam
even though that was a strike.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All sliders to Pence
please.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
12-6
Right here Waino. I know you have it.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok he is at 120 pitches now and clearly has nothing left
is this what tony thinks of the bullpen?
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one was up
and he won’t take him out mid AB.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously tony controls whether someone is up or not
and there should have been
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it could still be a complete game maybe
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell
5 minutes ago everyone was saying leave him in?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
and he got the k and is out of the ninth, all is well
by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have been given every opportunity to finish it
until he walked 2 straight batters. He should have been given Pence and then nothing after that.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it is how he feels about wainwright
that he has pitched a good game and that his ace deserves the leverage to finish if off
by streamman on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either way
It’s dumb to have a pitcher, especially young one, pile on top of a 120 pitch count in high stress situations.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOO
Nice job Wagonmaker.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
quality
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and quantity
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Wainer is solid. Solid day for sure!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ace
I defy Dave Duncan to tell me otherwise.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright Arm Injury pool: I have June 5th.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just have to manage him next game, 100 pitch count should be absolute
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If throwing 120 pitches
in 1 start is enough to give the guy an arm injury, we must have really screwed him moving from starting to pen back to starting.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Standing O for Wainer!
Now let’s get a run! It would be a damn shame to waste two outstanding starting pitching performances in a row.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chitown Cards Fan
GO TAKE A SHOWER NOW!!!!
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by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heh
gonna go get me some food
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whew
can the offense pick this guy up a win plskthx
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to rain on the parade
but who else is worried about Wainwright throwing way too many innings early on in the season….can he keep this up all year?
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he did it last year
And in the minors before.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm very worried about it.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Innings aren't important
pitches are.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he's throwing plenty of pitches too
how many times this year has he gone over 100? 3?
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that' too many
it’s still April….
I don’t know, maybe he’s one of those rubber arm guys, but it def. worries me.
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not.
He’s been a workhorse. I think he will be fine. Just manage his next few games (length wise) and I think this game won’t hardly make a difference.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's total gamer though
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is waino the ace
if carpenter returns in his same form as before.
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Carp
Returns in his same form he is the Ace. And we have the best 1-2 in the Majors.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy, Young?
Webb, Haren?
Felix, Bedard?
Beckett, Dice-K?
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waino is an ace
Who says that you cant have 2 aces?
The only one who liked the Cardinals so much he became a St. Louis Cardinals football fan.
by coachnick39 on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
scroll up and you will see
i had the same worries
by FunkeeC on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Bart!
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please steal
please steal
please steal.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man crush on Daric
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give Barton the chance to steal
then sacrifice please.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw the sac bunt
have Barton take 2nd here! Let’s see those wheels!!
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damnit
bad bunt.
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you're gonna bunt
why not pinch hit Miles and have him do it?????
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aftet 120+ pitches
and thinking you’re day is over only to be called off the bench to put down a bunt??
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why waste a position player...
...well why bunt in the first place?
But if you are going to why churn through your bench, you think we would have learned this lesson after watching as Albert covered second on steal attempts.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
failed bunt, mentally exhausted?
Wonder if Waino thought he was completely done for the day when he came back into the dugout after the top of the inning. Probably didn’t expect to be called back up to bunt?
by lightbulb on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bunts are pretty random usually
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does LaRussa keep doing this?
Trust these young, fast guys to do it on their own.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't they pinch run Izturis??
Waino can’t do everything!
by TxCardFan on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly what I am saying!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after a long outing
running is good for your body immediately afterwards
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Wainer on base still?
pinch run!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's gonna pitch the 10th, obv.
let’s get him up to 140 or so.
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan is my home boy
good by Izturis
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that would've won the game, if we could've sac bunted successfully
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick time
Ludwick in to hit for Schumaker, I’d imagine.
by lightbulb on Apr 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't say I have a man crush on Ryan
But he’s definitely like the next night out after a “beer goggles”...uhh…mistake. Looks a lot better in comparison.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis running for Wainer
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if this goes into extras
i’ll toss up an overflow thread
by lboros on Apr 26, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh come on!
Seriously, no Ludwick?
Don’t agree with this Tonyh, but good luck Schu. Prove me wrong.
by lightbulb on Apr 26, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah not a fan of Skippy batting here
with Lud available…
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't you agree with it?
We need a single, not a HR. Schumaker is a high contact hitter, Ludwick is a high strikeout hitter. Schumaker also hits lefties better than Ludwick.
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not exactly regarding hitting lefties
Schu hasn’t hit lefties well this year… not sure about years past though.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
What happened last time we went into extra innings and ran out of position players?
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Righties almost always hit lefites better than left handers do.
Don’t read into small sample sizes.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Ludwick, look at his reverse splits. He sucks against Lefties for his career
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only like 200 at bats.
It’s meaningless.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if you look at his minor league stats as well
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career BABIP
v. RHP = .354
v. LHP = .241
There’s no way that’s not a massive fluke. It will level out all over time.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't change the fact that he's worse against Lefties
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a fact that he's worse against lefties.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or to clarify
FACT: Ludwick had bad results against lefties last year, mostly due to bad luck on ball is play.
This in no way is an indicator that he will continue to have bad results in the future.
by JI on Apr 26, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright threw 411 pitches in his first 4 starts last year
and then struggled 4 of his next 5 starts.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's coming off of a year of relieving though
I would think having a full season of starting behind him would make a difference
by TxCardFan on Apr 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SKIP!! SKIP!! SKIP!!!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was the best payday candy bar
I’ve ever had
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ballgame
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true grit
from Wainwright. I think he may be my new favorite player. well, except for Big Pu
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CG!CG!CG!CG!
If only it were possible for us to electronically carry waino out on our shoulders.
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweep tomorrow!!! Oh wait.....thanks Izzy
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by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets not think about last night
but rather be happy about today
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip player of the game?
Skip was CLUTCH but he didn’t throw 9 innings of 5 hit ball.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and Rick was like "of course its Skip Schmacher"
of course?
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i woulda been real nervous
had rick come up though
by huts04 on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Rick Horton
Who had a dicey debut as play by play to say the least….
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 26, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam no doubt
hell of a job.. battled his arse off. Still feel bad for Loop…
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
I LOVE A WIN AFTER A GAME LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE!
I actually yelled that, hence the caps!
Great AB there by Skippy!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, good motivating win, after a disheartening loss the night before.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 26, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team is resilient
If nothing else.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're my boy Skip!
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by stltrav09 on Apr 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainer
deserved that win! Crap – the Cards needed this one!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just watched the gameday video of the K of Pence
Waino lifts his arms briefly, then walks quickly towards the dugout with a gait that says “i am going to go put my arm in the biggest vat of ice you have ever seen, and not take it out till monday.”
by tom s. on Apr 26, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and then run to second
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
After seeing that, I was shocked that Tony kept him in.
by hannah_in_va on Apr 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright took over this game
When he threw behind Ausmus and just stared him down.
by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
I’m off to mow my lawn. WIth a smile on my face. Peace.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 26, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a rule on road games
about how long a pitcher has to stay in the game before being removed.
When we were sitting at the Pirates game on Thursday and the Cardinals practically batted around in the 1st, it got me thinking: Why not announce YESTERDAY’s starter as your starting pitcher on road games and have the real starter warming up in the pen. You could then pinch-hit for the ‘non-pitcher’ if he comes up in the 1st. If he doesn’t, then you just bring in your real starter.
It’s not like you are going to use the day before’s starter in the game anyways.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A pitcher has to face at least one batter
So if you don’t bat around, wouldn’t you have to let yesterday’s starter face the leadoff guy? But then, if we’re applying that rule, would you even be able to pinch-hit?
Hmm…
by Nate811 on Apr 26, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would this work
If your the away team, and you have batted around to the pitchers spot. Its the top of the 1st, could you have someone bat for the pitcher, and then put the pitcher in. Im trying to say that, If you haven’t put the pitcher in to pitch yet, technically he hasn’t entered the game right? so say the one game that we had glaus and #5 sitting out, we get around to the pitchers spot, you have glaus come up in a situation (so you can always use pujols later if needed) to hit since he is not going to be playing today, just this one at bat. Could you do something to this degree?
by from First to Third on Apr 26, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Once the game begins, anyone in the starting lineup is considered used, regardless of whether they’ve played the field or batted yet.
by LukeMP1186 on Apr 26, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the real question
is why would you burn a pinch hitter in the 1st inning if you’ve already scored at least 3 runs (the minimum if you’re 9th hitter of the inning is at the plate)?
by LukeMP1186 on Apr 26, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We bat the pitcher 8th
so it’d be the 8th guy to the plate and we also lost that game 7-4 because we left 8 men on in the first 3 innings.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still would be dumb to waste a bat off the bench in the 1st inning.
by LukeMP1186 on Apr 26, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its so rare
that a pitcher would bat in the first inning that it would only be neccesary like twice a season. And HL makes a good point. If it does come up chances are there would be 2 outs and it might be the differance between a 3 run inning and a 4,5,6,7 run first. Its really just a hypothetical question. Could they do it just in case? i would have no problem burning a player in that situation. How often do you use every last player? 1 out of 5 games? more?
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also..
would said pitcher be credited with a game played or a game pitched?
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can pinch hit at anytime to my understanding
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson
Just kind of an update on a thought from the past.
A couple of winters ago several people proposed trying to grab Reed Johnson from Toronto as he wasn’t being used a lot there. Apparently no one ever grabbed him, as he was available for the Cubs to grab this spring as a 4th outfielder.
He starts in center now that Soriano is out. He doesn’t draw a lot of walks or have a lot of power, but he’s hitting consistently against both righties and lefties. Even well enough to be the leadoff guy.
He’s playing a pretty good center field too, and had a spectacular Edmonds style play the other night, grabbing the ball in mid-dive at full extension.
by sdrone on Apr 26, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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