. . . . . and we're back
by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
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the entire SB Nation network was down for 7 hours yesterday; i picture cables unraveling, servers liquifying, IT dudes fanning the smoke and flame away as they peer into their flat screens. the source of the problem, we are told, was "bad RAM" ---- just installed a few days ago. this is extremely rare and therefore was only discovered via a painstaking process of elimination --- ie, after nearly every other possible cause for the outage was investigated. that’s why the system was down for so long.
we’re cautioned that the server might still get balky today when normal network traffic ramps up. so if the site goes down again today --- or if it should ever go down for any length of time at any point in the future --- i’ll use the VEB page on facebook as a channel to keep everyone updated re the tech situation. the page is easy to find --- just type "Viva El Birdos" into the facebook search bar. i’ll write on the wall there and share whatever information i have.
my apologies to everybody for the long outage.
although we didn’t have a game thread last night, i kept picking up telepathic signals throughout the evening and jotting them down. so here they are --- an abbreviated game thread for last night’s 7-4 loss:
GAME 22 OPEN THREAD: APRIL 23, 2008
ryan’s not starting tonight? TONY!
way to get us started schu.
troy!
kennedy got another hit? mercy.
and miles kills the rally.
ryan drives in the runs there. no question about it.
attaboy, welley!
9 up, 9 down.
don’t jinx it.
too late --- there’s the basehit.
nice going, loudmouth.
there goes the shutout.
c’mon welley, bear down.
we need some more runs.
crap --- tie game.
c’mon albert!
crap.
when was our last base hit anyway?
fourth inning.
another hit for kennedy? i can’t believe it.
. . . . . and he’s caught stealing. never mind.
here comes reyes.
come on anthony!
what the hell was THAT??
second baseman’s supposed to be covering.
yeah, but where was he throwing it?
ryan would have caught it.
come on anthony, shake it off.
uh oh. there goes his trade value.
time to bring up mark worrell.
that was depressing.
we suck.
it was la russa’s fault.
late, everybody.
regarding reyes’ errant throw in the 8th, it sounds like he was a tad jumpy. he told the p-d: "I turned around a little too quick and thought somebody would be there. I was just hoping that it would get to him." very costly mistake, and the string of two-out hits that ensued was all too reminiscent of reyes v2007. but i can’t pin the loss entirely on him. the cardinal bats fell asleep after the first inning, putting just 7 men on base after the 4-inning rally. the at-bat that really hurt, imho, was duncan’s in the second inning. the cards had 2 on and 1 out; they’d put 8 of their first 12 men on base against snell and were poised to drive him out of the game. snell threw him a slider at the ankles on the first pitch, and duncan chased it ---- i often defend first-pitch swinging on this board, but that was the type of hack that gives first-pitch swinging a bad name; if it’s not a pitch you can drive, let it go. i suppose duncan might have been looking for a fastball in and got fooled; snell had thrown him 4 fastballs in his previous at-bat. then again, maybe chris was just overeager and took a bad swing. in any case, he swung and missed at a pitch that should have been ball 1; then he chased a borderline fastball on the second pitch and grounded into a double play, getting snell out of trouble. what might have been a fatal inning for snell ended up being a 7-pitch picnic; he cruised thereafter.
i thought the sb attempt by kennedy in the 8th inning was a good call --- sensible time to try a one-run strategy. it was late in a tie game, so they didn’t really need to play for the big inning --- one run probably wins it. and the hitters due up (pitcher, then miles, then schu, then ankiel) weren’t likely to put together a big inning anyway. so the cost of a CS was lower than usual, whereas the reward of a successful steal was higher than usual --- it’d get the go-ahead run to 2d with nobody out, and he probably would’ve scored. the pittsburgh infielders were all in motion, playing for the bunt, and the catcher (doumit) is really an outfielder; he’d only thrown out 1 of 8 basestealers in 2008 prior to kennedy’s attempt and nailed just 22 percent of baserunners in limited duty behind the plate last year . . . . all around, the attempted sb was a good percentage play. it took a very good throw, which doumit made, and the play was very close (i couldn’t say for sure he was really out).
before i sign off, i have to call everyone’s attention to the 1986 replay over at the sporting news. they’ve been dutifully simming over there for almost 6 months; the season is almost complete, and deadspin’s will leitch has miraculously skippered the cardinals to the brink of a division title: they lead the mets by a game with 10 left to play. in real life, you may recall, the 1986 cards finished 28.5 games behind new york; in the fantasy world, the cards went into shea a few days ago and swept a two-game series (winning both by 1 run) to open up a 2-game lead. last night they took a 3-2 lead into the 9th against the phillies, but ray soff (???) blew the save.
remember, everyone ---- head to facebook if the server ever bombs again.
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abbreviated game thread
it made me laugh out loud. thanks, LB. a little humor helps when cards are in a mini slump
Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....
by Schnake on Apr 24, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dead On
We should just have you do the game threads from now on. That was perfect, and much more succinct than the real thing.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Apr 24, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry,
Your game thread was spot on.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 24, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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When I tried to open the comments here, I had 3 proxy errors in a row before it finally loaded. I don’t think SB is through the woods yet.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks ray
i’m noticing some funky stuff too. i’ve e-mailed the tech guys.
in a pinch, facebook . . . . .
by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play at 2nd
totally flummoxed me. There had to be a crossup between Kennedy and Miles. Kennedy went directly behind second instead of going to the back. Miles was NOT in motion at all. Apparently he thought he was backing up and got confused when Kennedy did the same thing. Right handed batter so nornally, Kennedy takes the throw. I kept thinking Ryan would have been at the bag due to shear speed. I would very much like to hear from Miles or Kennedy on who was supposed to cover. The Post dumped the whole thing on Reyes which was bull. Somebody should have been at the bag!
by jjray on Apr 24, 2008 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
miles doesn't make mental errors
he’s a player-coach — remember?
by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...
i thought the post article was absured…reyes turned around and there was no one to throw it to, and that’s his fault?? terrible middle infield play. i don’t know if miles or kennedy was to blame, but i’ll add it to the pile of evidence that miles has absolutely no business playing shortstop
by bw133 on Apr 24, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles
I was standing in the concourse behind HP in the 8th inning and when Reyes wheeled around, Kennedy was breaking hard for the bag. He got about 3 steps away and Miles came flying in to cover, and Kennedy went behind him. Reyes was on the mound, so odds are he never even saw Miles all the way down there.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 24, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unnatural positions
TLR’s use of players out of thier positions is becoming disturbing. Miles as SS was quite a stretch. He’s used quite a few SSs to spell 3b over the years. Plugging your bad-elbowed face-of-the-franchise 1bman at second was just crazy.
This trend is seemingly getting crazy and I just don’t get it. TLR seems to try to squeeze out marginal runs by batting the pitcher 8th and using platoon splits…does he just not see how many runs a SS with a complete lack of range and ignorance on base coverage will cost us?
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but what choice does he have?
I presume that Ryan didn’t make it to Pittsburgh in time to be in the starting lineup – so he has to play Miles at SS. Terrible situation. Miles should not be playing SS in the major leagues, unless it’s the 18th inning of a tie game and you have no other choices. And if Izturis can’t play for a week, he should be on the DL and bring up someone who can help.
As all can see, this roster is not balanced right with too many players being asked to play positions they are not suited for defensively. This is something Mo has to address soon if we are going to stay in this.
by O'Fallon Park on Apr 24, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday
Was not the first time Miles has played SS.
And, he did have choices over Albert. I would let a relief pitcher hit before I plugged Albert in at second base.
If I were GM or owner, and I told my field manager it was a rebuilding year. Then, he pulled a stunt where he put a $100 million dollar investment whom we still ove at least $53 million dollars in a position to exacerbate an injury for a shot at an early season extra inning win….. well, I don’t know if I would fire him, but it would cross my mind. I would certainly conduct some “disciplinary re-education” to make sure the goals and the interests of the organization as a whole were clear.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then it is time for the knife
If the GM or owner has decided that 2008 is a rebuilding year, then put Albert under the knife and fix the problem. The tendon can blow on any play, now or in 2009.
For example, there was a play earlier in the year where Albert threw out a runner at second on a bunt attempt. That play probably caused as much stress on his elbow as any throw from second to first.
by ubeddie on Apr 24, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal rights
There isn’t a boss in the free world who can order an employee to have surgery.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I understand that it can go at any time. There will be plays that stress his elbow at first….but there will be a lot less of them then there would be at second.
Also, he knows the body mechanics required at first base. He knows his elbow and his limitations.
When you put him in an unfamiliar position and expect him to adapt at game speed levels, it’s much more possible he might make an awkward move that would place additional stressors on the elbow.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the interviews
Oquendo and LaRussa stressed to Albert not to make any out of ordinary throws. Albert confirmed that he was told not to do that but said he would have attempted the double play anyway. He also wanted to go in at SS not 2B. Might be time to “re-educate” Albert on his responsibilites to the team.
by ubeddie on Apr 24, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS
SS would be better to play than 2B if you are concerned about throwing motion. 2B is more of a side arm sling, you don’t see too many 2B throwing over the top. At least at SS Albert would have more of a chance to throw more over the top.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add
If TLR adjusted his roster where he carried 13 pitchers and had no backup SS….how can you say he had no choice? It’s directly his fault.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is his fault
but not that we don’t have a backup shortstop. We do. It’s Miles. He played his role last night. I’m not saying that he’s a good or even adequate replacement at short but that’s what we have. The argument here is that we have the wrong backup shortstop. But TLR is not letting Miles go anywhere. Ryan is only coming up to spell Izturis and once he’s back Ryan will be sent back down. I know it sucks, but such is life…
by eglasier on Apr 24, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is his choice.
He called up more pitching. Even if Ryan wasn’t ready, he could called up D’Angelo Jimenez for 2 games or something. He shorted his own bench. There’s no way around it.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy2 wasnt DL'd
so when he comes back no one will need to be sent down. he is still on the active roster…i am pretty confident the ryan will stay for the time being.
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on Apr 24, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
failed double play
It is so tough to say who is at fault because there are signs and verbal communications that none of us can see or hear even if you are at the game live.
It looked like Kennedy was shaded a bit closer to 2B than Miles so Kennedy flased into Reyes’s view a bit quicker than Miles, but Kennedy did not go to the bag at all he was going behind the bag to back up the throw and because the ball was hit towrd the middle so he was moving that way. If Reyes takes a bit more time which he had, and thrown the ball directly over 2B I think Miles would have been right there to turn the double play. Reyes’s throw was a bit to the 2B side of the bag. I don’t know who was really at fault??? By the way Kennedy, Reyes and TLR sounded it was Anthony that got a bit rushed and did not know who was to cove the bag.
You can’t watch that play and really know who was at fault because there is so much going on in terms of communication and signs it’s just impossible to tell. Who covers changes pitch by pitch as well.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Reyes’ throw was almost DIRECTLY over the bag. Maybe 1 foot to the 1st base side.
I saw a replay from the high home plate camera view and he threw it exactly where pitchers are told to throw it. When the fielders are in motion, you don’t throw it TO a particular fielder…you throw it right over the bag. FlatHat did that. For whatever reason, Miles stopped long before the throw, and Kennedy was never moving TO the bag…he was moving behind it to back it up. As the SS, that was Miles’ play the whole way, and he f’ed it up. If he had kept running to the bag, Reyes’ throw would have been right on the mark, even leading him a little to help the followup throw to 1st. 1-6-3. Two outs, no one on.
It was pathetic. I’m no Reyes apologist, but he did exactly what he was supposed to there to turn the DP. Miles did not.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
by Mr Clean on Apr 25, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the hype of a fast start
My comments above and LB’s and other’s comments about the use of the pen lead me to another question…
Does a fast start change anything? I, personally, don’t think we are as good as our record….even though it’s coming back to earth. Should we be pulling out all the stops and going for it all? I don’t think so.
TLR is managing like we should. He’s played Albert at second. He has one of our top young pitchers on pace for over 100 innings out of the pen. He’s taken our best young starter fresh off a 6 year committment and twice ran up his pitch count way too high for early April, IMO.
Is this wise? Does the front office back these decisions? Is the 2008 season worth the abuse to these young arms?
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree w/ you ray
but tony can’t manage any other way. this is going to become an even bigger theme if (when) the team settles into long-term mediocrity — not really in the race, but not quite out. you know, picture them at .500 and 8.5 games back in mid-june — tony’s sure not going to give up. the front office isn’t going to give up. but you and i and many many fans are going to say, “screw the short term, let’s build toward 2009.”
by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more.
The decision to play to win now was made when TLR was brought back. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised by how much he’s used some of the younger, “future” guys
On another note, with Ankiel slipping badly, what’s everyone’s guess as to when it becomes “Colby time?”
by vinniefromjersey on Apr 24, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I couldn't believe...
...was that Dan/Al tried to avoid criticizing Miles in one of the most obvious situations there could possibly be to criticize him. I swear they’ve been told by management to have some fun with us by praising him every little chance. The guy is bad at the game of major league baseball.
But a 2B’man well never, ever cover 2nd base on a ball straight back to the pitcher, the shortstop has his momentum going towards first——it’s a much, much easier throw. Kennedy obviously knew this. That was 100% Miles fault not even remotely “maybe kinda” a question. Not Reyes, he did exactly his job (on that play that is), not anyone else.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 24, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the hitter/pitch not always best for SS to cover the base.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the 2b often covers
if there’s an RHB at the plate, the 2B often has a quicker route to the bag. i thought that was the situation last night. maybe that’s why miles was late to the bag?
by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the simplest level
That is true meaning a right handed batter up then the 2B will cover on a ball back to the pitcher. It just depends though once you throw in charts that teams use in college and especially MLB ball.
But at times if you have charts saying the right handed batter will hit balls on the ground in the IF but will pull balls in the air you may have your SS cover the bag on a ball hit back at the pitcher.
There are just a lot of variables we can not know about the situation. TV angles are not very good but from what I saw I thought Kennedy was playing closer to the bag than Miles.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's very rare* that the 2B covers
In fact, I was taught that the SS always covers. There are several reasons for this. As joker24 said, the SS has natural motion towards and through the bag, so he’ll be able to get a lot more on the throw. it’s very awkward (and dangerous) for a 2B to take a throw from the pitcher and then throw to first, because his back will be to the runner and he’ll have to completely change directions after catching the ball- the angle is much more extreme than when taking a ball from the SS or 3B. it’s also almost impossible for the SS to back the play up, and easy for the 2B to do so.
Generally the pitcher throws the ball to the bag, leading the SS, and assumes the SS will get there, and in general a good SS WILL be there. Miles was not there, so the throw went past the base to the second baseman, who was doing what he was supposed to be doing and backing the play up.
*Wikipedia says (no citation) “for every 100 6-4-3 DP’s, there are twenty 1-6-3 and five 1-4-3 DP’s”, which reduces to “the SS covers 4 times out of 5 on ground balls to the pitcher”. Since there are more RHB than LHB, that “second basemen cover when a RHB is up” is not a correct statement.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joker here is my explination
failed double play
It is so tough to say who is at fault because there are signs and verbal communications that none of us can see or hear even if you are at the game live.
It looked like Kennedy was shaded a bit closer to 2B than Miles so Kennedy flased into Reyes’s view a bit quicker than Miles, but Kennedy did not go to the bag at all he was going behind the bag to back up the throw and because the ball was hit towrd the middle so he was moving that way. If Reyes takes a bit more time which he had, and thrown the ball directly over 2B I think Miles would have been right there to turn the double play. Reyes’s throw was a bit to the 2B side of the bag. I don’t know who was really at fault??? By the way Kennedy, Reyes and TLR sounded it was Anthony that got a bit rushed and did not know who was to cove the bag.
You can’t watch that play and really know who was at fault because there is so much going on in terms of communication and signs it’s just impossible to tell. Who covers changes pitch by pitch as well.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There is absolutely no way for us to know who was at fault, Kennedy and Miles are supposed to communicate, which obviously didnt happen. Or if they did communicate one of them missed the signs, Tony knows which one is responsible so hopefully it wont happen again.
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've convinced me on Kennedy
I didn’t like it at the time b/c he’s not a base stealer but, prior to yesterday, he was 8 for his last 10 over the last year and 22 games. He’s 71% for his career so, considering the bottom of the order was up, there were 2 outs, it was late in a tie game, it was probably a decent move.
As for the botched DP—somebody’s got to be there. Reyes sounds like he’s taking one for the team there. That said, he’s got to overcome it and get out of that inning. He hung some pitches and got killed on them when he could’ve been out of it unscathed. He deserves some of the blame, but Kennedy and Miles do also for botching the DP in the first place.
by chuckb on Apr 24, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
I don’t blame Reyes, He did throw the ball around the bag for someone to catch and make the play. I think the problem lies in the STL middle infield situation. There is too much of a revolving door because no one is really that good. Miles and Kennedy have not played many games together and I would not doubt that their communication was not the best.
I am just not very excited with the middle infield even last year I thought it was pretty terrible. I am sorry but I don’t think Kennedy, Miles, Izturis or Ryan are very good. I would not want any of them to be starters on a good team.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 24, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the defense
Even with a botched DP last night our defense has been great. I am not worried about the defense(except for Miles…...) its our MIF hitting thats just horrible…......(Cantu anyone?)
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct!
Cantu is another terrible hitting middle infielder.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is hitting better than
Kennedy and Miles, I would love to have some power in the MIF even if we lose some defense.
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
who would you trade for someone who is hitting well over a 58 at bat span, whom also has an OPS under .700 for over 2600 plate appearances?
Do you always judge players based on 22 games or so?
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I would trade for him
But it is an option that Mo should look into, if he is cheap then yeah, but if they ask for too much then no way….
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what did you mean?
Just to say his name? He’s not a free agent. How else would we get him?
He’s the starter on that squad. They aren’t going to short the team for a low level minor league non-prospect. We would have to give something and Florida doesn’t just give thier players away.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I am way too snarky this morning. Sorry.
I’m not going to talk about the Cardinals until I’m in a better mood, I guess.
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I ment was
Mo should look into it….. I have no idea who we would trade for him I am not a GM and I dont pretend to be one. Mo should look into the options to fix our MIF problem that is all I ment….. What position is Cantu playing for the Marlins? because doesnt Uggla play 2b for them? just curious.
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 25, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The double play.
Wouldn’t nearly be as bad if we didn’t leave 8 runners on the bases again last night.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If our MIF could hit we wouldnt leave so many on base…....
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our middle inflied
had the same amount of hits as Ankiel; Duncan; Pujols; and Ludwick did. And they drove in 2 more runs than those 4.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One game
sample sizes are great, aren’t they?
by RedbirdRay on Apr 24, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im only talking last night game.
So I can’t get a bigger sample size. Im not saying the MI has been hitting that great all year. Just that missing 1 DP last night wouldn’t have stung nearly as bad if we didn’t leave 8 players on the bases. Which wasn’t just the fault of the middle inflied.
But kennedy is hitting .315 and Miles is hitting .295 for the year.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude......
I think a little guy named Snell had something to do with that….....
"Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape!" -RIP Charlton Heston
by Calhoun on Apr 24, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no barbs
for Duncan’s flailing effort to catch that home run ball last night? If he gets to the right spot, I think he catches it.
by DCGreg on Apr 24, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that
catch made too. It was catchable if he gets to the right spot and times his jump. Unfortunately, Duncan isn’t that good of an outfielder.
by hit and run on Apr 24, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't.
I was sitting in the bleachers and that ball hit the 3rd bleacher back on the fly. Unless he has go-go gadget arms, he isn’t making that catch even if he is lined up with it.
He was fighting with a fan at the wall for the ball and the ball went OVER that guys head. That should be a sign it wasn’t catchable.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 24, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silver linings
It’s been a bit depressing lately, but any bright spots? I thought it is heartening to see Glaus with a 2 RBI double again. I wish those would eventually become HRs but his bat is seeing some life.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 24, 2008 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it safe to post?
or will the site blow up again?
by FunkeeC on Apr 24, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Facebook site
does anyone else think that the VEB facebook page is weird? I mean, not only seeing actual names of people, but seeing pictures of them that aren’t weird animals or the cardinals logo?
it seems….unnatural…..
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation is crap! CRAAAP
and so is the Cardinals offense.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they had faulty hardware
this could and does happen to companies all the time. It has nothing to do with the SBNation folks but with their memory provider.
by azruavatar on Apr 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come one shoee
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 24, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gorzey's No-Hotter
Seriously, this is the worst no-hitter past 4 since Dontrelle Willis…
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
jinx!
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
barton big hit
2-1 cards
lets get a big inning and a win tonight
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pujols single for a rbi
its so lonely in here
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where has the power gone?
Seems like the Cards are having a real power outage lately (and I’m talking about SB Nation).
by OCCardsFan on Apr 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton
deserves some more playing time. The man can’t help but produce.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so...anyone know who is pitching for Memphis this weekend
I am going to head up to at least one of the games, I just don’t want it to be the Wasdin one.
by mattyfrommo on Apr 24, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s Parisi on Friday, Hawk on Saturday and Wasdin on Sunday. I think. . . .
by azruavatar on Apr 24, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
Thank god VEB is back. I might be a little late to the party, but yay.
"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."
by sirensofsilence on Apr 24, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're Back!
VEB that is. Cards looking good too. Finally a couple timely hits.
Pineiro looks solid out there too!
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by stltrav09 on Apr 24, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I was just think the same thing about Pineiro. We need this from him.
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok so
Gorz walks the bases loaded, and then Narton get s a hit, so does AP, but why doesnt the other guys make him work a bit? Glaus should have taken a few the guy hasnt been raking Id make a guy whos been struggling throw me one or two first…
course if hed gone yard my take might have been different, but i still think with a guy struggling like that they could have gotten a few more.
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by punchinjudy on Apr 24, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
good ole’ Narton…
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by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i was just gonna comment on that
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here he comes now
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of needing something from Pineiro
A timely hit would be nice.
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well done mr. ryan
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by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ryan comes through
love the socks
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn I missed this site
Really liking tonight’s lineup (except maybe have kennedy instead of miles)
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and a skippy double
god he is running shit at the top of the order
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weee!
our kid are hittin’
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by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright Skippy!
I think he’s the only OFer who can hit lefties (well, Barton too)
Start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip
you are amazing!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta keep
laying this on!
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what we should have done
after the 1st inning last night
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love how the announcers are discussing the aerospace industry
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by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Narton
...too high…
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by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too high?
what do you mean too high….
major league
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit, barton almost floated that pitch out of the park
that would have been sweet
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
that was amazing. Nice Jo-el.
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by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 24, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
web gem
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
ESPN never notices if it happens in St. Louis.
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if thats not a web gem
im not watching baseball tonight ever again
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea they do
they reported on McGwire’s steroids, TLR’s DWI, Rolen’t malcontent…
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by Molina4MVP on Apr 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true...
... and Ankiel’s HGH.
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually on ESPN radio
as i posted in a diary…gammons gave some love to the Lou…
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 24, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gammons is a baller
he is above espn
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
albert pujols is the first image on SC's intro video
by from First to Third on Apr 24, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked last years
Baseball tonight’s intro. Wainwright is the Mucking fan.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
was also proclaimed The Mang in Jason Stark’s column today.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on Apr 24, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Pinero used to be a pitcher Red Sox
That’s gotta count for something.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 24, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 ugly duncan plays
from this week have been webgems. Last night and vs the Crew
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by stltrav09 on Apr 24, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whole crap on a stick
That was some kind of play.. Gotta be #1 WG tonight.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 24, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 solid innings
From Pineiro. Let’s go one more JP!!!!
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unlucky pujols
barely out
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, Hombre is slow
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 24, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uh
that was a perfect throw.
He runs good for a big guy
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by stltrav09 on Apr 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, but any time you hit the ball off the base of a wall and don't make it to second, you are slow
I’m not saying he sucks or anything, and he does run well for a big guy, but he still = slow.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
slow compared to Barton
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was also pretty unlucky
that carom went right to Nady
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert....
stop getting caught stealing, please. Please?
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by sirensofsilence on Apr 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
got caught
Stretching. In his defense if the ball didn’t bounce off the wall so hard he would have had it.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem with that
it was a great throw, and albert is really agressive
cant question el hombre
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been getting caught a lot lately, though
Don’t get me wrong, he’s still el hombre. But sometimes it gets him into a little trouble. I think he’s not quite as fast as he thinks he is.
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by sirensofsilence on Apr 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon Glaus
let’s start seeing some more hits! thanks for all those doubles with rbis though.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shit
it was ludwick
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you had it right the first time
it was Glaus
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by stltrav09 on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
need a triple
with molina running
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Doubles for Yadi tonight
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 24, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
need him to get going
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by stltrav09 on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all right pep pep
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IW
Miles. I guess funny things do happen when you bat the pitcher 8th.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahah
i would pitch hit here
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if you are TLR
a ridiculous squeeze play with 2 out.
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by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
probably shoulda pinched hit here. although the bullpen needs a little rest I think
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny things happen
when you walk a guy like miles
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bert getting caught at second
sucks now though.
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
does he still get the single
for his average?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes - single
but caught at 2nd
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
my fantasy league is called the Big Lebowski League
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Believe it’s scored as a single, and caught stealing 2nd.
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by sirensofsilence on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he get's the single
But he doesn’t get a CS.
by Evilfrog on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note:
Cards without a homer since last friday.. (attempt to jinx)
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon pineiro
belt one outta there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply:
Troy without a homer since September 5th
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on Apr 24, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, I just saw Pineiro's kick save
Nifty play, Joel.
by mojowo11 on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro is guaranteed
a spot in the web gems and touch ‘em all if he slams this! haha!
The Dude abides.
by drewmaniac on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE
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by lboros on Apr 24, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more duct tape for SB nation...
duct tape can fix anything
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