The search for bench players

by gocards62 on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT Comment 1 comment

What's more important -- offense or defense-- in a SS or 2B? Does a slick-fielding, no power MIF save or cost your team runs? There's a lively debate going on at PD's CardsTalk comparing Izturis, Eckstein & Ryan. http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=534150.

This issue got me thinking about the Cards bench. I'll try to summarize what others are saying about the above issue and give my thoughts on why I think the Cards shouldn't trade/buy any IF help. I also think that given our offensive weakness at the bottom of the order, we need to use the best hitters available.

Now CardsTalk discussion raises the issue of "lies, damn lies, and statistics." The Saber metrics guys argue that Izturis is the weaker of the three SS DEFENSIVELY. According to these stats, Ryan is the best, followed by Eck. The guys who use their own personnel "eyeballs" say that Izturis is better. Offensively the Eck/Ryan is a push and Izturis is clearly again the weakest, notwithstanding his good OBP% this year.

In looking at the Memphis IF offensive stats, there are several guys that are out performing Izturis (.204/.265/.361): J. Hoffpair (.387/.418/.391) and B. Barden (.290/.435/.375). Well, okay Hoff's not getting on base quite as much. There are two other guys who could be serviceable as Glaus's backup: J. Mather--on DL (.318/.464/.727), & D. Freese (.254/.460/.277).

Full disclosure: I haven't seen ANY of these guys play, I don't create my own stat sheets, and yes, I know it's not the same to compare ML and Pacific League. But the point I want to make is that it's preferable to give the Memphis guys a chance to prove themselves before trying to package a group of pitchers and prospects to get a bench player from elsewhere.

I'm willing to have Brendan Ryan play everyday SS, and I think defensively he'll be comparable to Izturis. He certainly will be more effective at the plate. I also think the Memphis guys mentioned above will be adequate to replace TGlaus when he needs a day off. Perhaps one or more will develop into a John Mabry or Scott Spiezio. They need to be given the chance.

Thanks for reading and be gentle to this first-time poster.

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Are we really looking for bench players?

I agree that we need an upgrade to the Rico/Miles tandem, but Izturis’ bat is really hurting this team right now. I don’t think it is an accident that the team offense seems to be dropping with his OBP.

I don’t think that Ryan’s defense could possibly hurt the team as much as Izturis’ sub-Mendoza line average and impossibly anemic SLG%. I’m no Saber guy, so I need to look into how much defensive liability is necessary to offset 75 – 100 points in batting average and 100+ points in OPS.

I also think your choice of Mather is probably a significant upgrade to Rico as a backup 3B, but I guess he is on the DL. Ryan will help some here, but as I said, I think you need him in place of Izturis. I’m not sure about Freese, yet. The Cards probably still need to look outside of the organization for a SS, IMO.

by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs