A Special Start (+ Game 19 open thread)
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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I suppose the best thing about Pineiro’s start yesterday was that he was able to keep the ball down – getting 14 ground balls to 9 fly balls w/ 3 line drives. He was hit harder in his first start, of course, managing just 8 ground balls to 8 fly balls and 5 line drives. Aside from that, though, it wasn’t a well-pitched game. Once again, he had no K’s. He did have just one walk, but for the season, 10 IP, he has yet to strike anyone out – not a good sign. Out of the 157 pitches he’s thrown in 2 games, he’s only had 9 swing-and-misses. (Wellemeyer’s averaging 10.5 per start so far this year) According to fangraphs, his velocity isn’t lacking – he’s averaging 90.6 in his 2 starts – and he was at 90.8 last year. It must be location that’s a problem, though he only has 1 BB so far. Hopefully, he’ll round into form as he pitches. He really didn’t have much of a spring. Tony doesn’t seem to be worried. I’ll agree that it’s still a little early to be concerned. From the other side, the Giants can’t hit but that Lincecum’s pretty good.
This just in – Albert Pujols, too, is pretty good. He may be off to his best start yet, also. He has 75 PA’s so far and has reached base via walk or hit in 37 of them – a .493 OBP. His career SLG is .620 and this year he’s off to a .644 start. His OPS+ right now is 203. It’s almost gone unnoticed, also, considering Ankiel’s start, and Skip’s and Ludwick’s and Wellemeyer’s, etc. Other players have given us so many pleasant surprises that Albert’s great start hasn’t really appeared that great.
Albert’s reached base in every game this season – even the one in which he didn’t start and he had just 1 PA (intentional walk). He strikes me as, paradoxically, more patient and yet more aggressive at the plate. He seems to have reached a Bondsian grasp of the strike zone, to which his 16 BB’s and 5 K’s attest. But he also seems to be more aggressively attacking pitches to hit early in the count.
Last season, Albert swung at only 83 of the 353 first-pitch strikes he saw – 23.5%. This was an uncharacteristically low number for him. This season he has swung at 13 of 37 first pitch strikes –35% -- more in line w/ his ’06 and ’05 numbers. Here are his career totals:
| YEAR | SWINGS | STRIKES | % |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2001 | 177 | 363 | 48% |
| 2002 | 166 | 370 | 44% |
| 2003 | 180 | 370 | 48% |
| 2004 | 172 | 393 | 43% |
| 2005 | 141 | 367 | 38% |
| 2006 | 120 | 323 | 37% |
| 2007 | 83 | 353 | 24% |
| 2008 | 13 | 37 | 35% |
It stands to reason that the number of strikes Pujols has seen has fallen throughout his career. He’s become one of the most feared hitters in the game and pitchers don’t want to just serve them up. It also stands to reason that he would be swinging at a lower % of first-pitch strikes as well. He’s become a more patient hitter, as demonstrated by his increasing walk rate. Last year, however, there was a big difference in his approach. He let 270 first-pitch strikes go by w/o pulling the trigger. He also had the worst (by his standards) season of his career. This year he seems to be back on track. He’s looking for his pitch to hit and, when he sees it, he’s hitting it. When they don’t give him the pitch he wants, he’s willing to take the walk.
Just to get a glimpse of how well he’s beginning this season, his OBP is far and away the highest of his career – 54 points over his previous career high in 2003. He’s on a pace for 144 BB’s and only 45 K’s. Those truly are Bondsian numbers. I’m not sure he can continue this pace throughout the season. The other hitters in the lineup are likely to slump and he may put more pressure on himself to produce, thus swinging at bad pitches. I, for one, hope he can keep it up. He doesn’t seem to be swinging at any bad pitches and when he sees one he likes, he’s drilling it.
Isn’t it time, considering all we’ve learned about the importance of on-base percentage over the last several years, that we stop saying things like, "Pujols was 0 for 3 w/ a walk yesterday?" It’s time we started calling that 1 for 4. The second game of the year Pujols was 2 for 2 and walked 3 times. That’s 5 for 5 in my book. Anybody gets on base 5 times in a game needs to be recognized for it…period. He had a 4-5 game against Houston (2 HR’s) and a 4-6 game in SF. He had 1 hit and 5 BB’s in the 3 game series against the Nats earlier in the season – a sweep, by the way. Most would say he was 1-7 in that series. I would say he was 6-12. There’s a huge difference in perception and the 6-12 number is, IMO, a better indicator of his importance to the offense in that series. The Cards didn’t win 3 DESPITE Pujols going 1-7. They swept the Nats partly BECAUSE he went 6-12.
Looper goes for the Cards today against a guy I want to see pitch – Jonathan Sanchez. Looper’s been pretty good so far (2.70 ERA) but those 5 BB’s last time out concern me. He still has yet to give up a homer this year though (knock on wood) and as long as he keeps the ball in the yard, he’s going to be OK. Some teams may single him to death but he’ll have more good starts than bad if he doesn’t give up the homers. It’s not as if he’s facing the ’27 Yankees today either. We haven’t lost a series yet. Let’s see that trend continue today.
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I agree wholeheartedly with re-valuing plate appearances
We did sweep the Nats b/c Pujols was on-base six times in twelve plate appearances. However, he did only score one run in that series to go with 0 HR and 0 RBI. So, while he reached base six times, the team did not drive him home.
Don’t you think that our expectations for Pujols are so high and that he so consistently meets them that it’s nothing to rant about here on VEB? Compared to the OF explosion which few saw coming and has been such a pleasant surprise as well as the starting pitching. I think these unexpected happenings peak our interest more than Albert Pujols raking since that’s what Albert Pujols does, and he does it better than anyone. (Thank God he wears the Bird-on-Bat.)
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat Agree
I agree that getting On Base is extremely important and can be undervalue by some but a walk is not as good as a single. You don’t drive in runs when you walk.
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 20, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to quibble
But, you can get an RBI when you walk. A walk with the bases loaded gives a player credit for an RBI, even if the run was not “batted in.”
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True-ish
Like bgh said, it’s not impossible to get an RBI when you walk.
But the real point is that he doesn’t make outs. You only get three of those per inning, so a hitter that only makes one a little more than half the time is scarily valuable.
by mojowo11 on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A walk also...
doesn’t lead to double plays. D.GOOCH
-- GOOCH
by GOOCH24 on Apr 20, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they ought to take a look at that.
‘Tis true you don’t drive in runs with walks, except you do if the bases are loaded. But you also can’t score if you don’t get on base.
Some observations around the rest of the baseball world…..
Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball. Alex Rodriguiz is close, but Albert is better.
Kurt Suzuki is batting leadoff for the A’s. He’s a catcher. Has that ever happened before?
A lot of those no names the A’s got for their names are performing quite well. Pitcher Dana Eveland has been the best.
The VEB’er who wanted Carlos Quentin appears to be right—I’ve seen him on my cable-he’s a gamer and he looks to be a nice player.
Chipper Jones is coming off a 2007 season where he contended for a batting tile. 2008 is looking like a repeat.
I thought the Nationals would be better, and the Marlins would be worse. Shows what I know…...
Kyle Farnsworth should be suspended for more than 3 games. Threw a pitch behind a batter’s head. It was Manny Ramirez, who didn’t see it. BEHIND HIS HEAD! Unacceptable….
Nate McLouth-Did anyone see that coming?
From the files of not giving up on struggling young pitchers-the Angels have been rewarded for sticking with Ervin Santana. He’s pitching quite well for them so far this year when they really need him. The Angels always did believe in his talent, even when he wasn’t getting results. They have been rewarded. Ditto for Joe Saunders, another pitcher they stuck with…there’s a lesson there for someone.
Derrek Lee has been pretty much carrying the Cubs on his shoulders. Yes, he’s a Cub….but he’s one of the good guys in baseball, so kudos to Derrek.
Detroit. Ugh. Looks like they’re headed for a year where everything that could go wrong will go wrong. Except now they have no farm system and no payroll wiggle room. Things could get ugly in a hurry…..
I wonder how much Seattle likes that Bedard deal now?
Baltimore and Kansas City-who knew? I know it won’t last, but it’s good that their fans have something to cheer about.
Surprised that the Dodgers haven’t done better and surprised by how much the Diamondback hitters seemed to have improved.
That’s all, folks! Happy Sunday…
Hey, we due for a 10 run Sunday?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cry alittle inside
when I think about how we didn’t get Carlos Quentin.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kendall batted leadoff for the A's and Cubs for awhile
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall used to leadoff for the Pirates
Before he broke his ankle, Jason Kendall was the everyday leadoff hitter for the Pirates.
by indakind on Apr 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first reaction was....Jason Kendall COULD hit?
I remember, vaguely, that he used to be a good hitter. I was unaware that he batted leadoff though…..it is unusual, though….
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
if I was the first to argue for Carlos Quentin, but nearly every trade proposal I tossed out there for awhile included him in some capacity. In spite of our own outfield’s tremendous start to the season, it still kills me to know that he was just sitting there, nearly free for the taking.
But, as long as CrabMan and co. keep it up, it’ll at least take the edge off.
All your failures are just training grounds.
by the red baron on Apr 20, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remember his name came up a lot last summer.
He had the first rate talent label with the stamp of underachiever. But it appears to have been injury related. I don’t think he’ll be a star, but he looks like he’s going to be a solid major leaguer for years to come. Kudos to the White Sox for taking a chance on him..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a gamer
A non-white gamer??? HERESY!!!! Quentin has way too much power/minor league track record, is way too big and way too not-white to be a gamer.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on Apr 20, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not heresy......he plays out there every bit as hard as bonafide white guy gamer
Nick Swisher. That should not be reserved for only white guys because it’s not true that it could be only white guys. Griffey,jr. Phillips, Rollins, Pujols, A Rod, Jeter, Cameron-those guys go all out every time they are on the field.
You are being tongue in cheek, though. It upsets me how sportwriters toss around words like grit, scrappy, gamer….it’s a lazy way to write a story, and it ain’t just the white guys who play that way…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, thanks for that!
I’m reading that and laughing out loud! Hysterically funny…......the Pedro stuff killed me, especially because I always considered that crafty sum beetch as a gamer….
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think John Stearns and John Wathan
both batted leadoff at points in their career.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know that.
You learn something everyday here! Thank you.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and no one mentioned that the Blue Jays released
Frank Thomas the day after he complained about being benched. He is hitting sub-.200 but he also has 3 HR and 11 RBIs.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well....I'm surprised to hear that.
That is a very productive low batting average….surely points out that the BA doesn’t tell anywhere close to true worth of a hitter…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Business decision
the Blue Jays most likely felt that Thomas would justify a $10 million in 2009. His contract had a vesting option which kicked in with only 304 more plate appearances. The team chemistry impact of Thomas not playing and being upset (justifiable or not) was probably also considered in making the decision to release him.
by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.....better way to spend money. We'll see.
If I were them, I’d take that money and give it to Mr. Halliday and Mr. Burnett. Those two are more important going forward than Frank Thomas, IMO.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their offense is now officially
horrible… there’s only one guy on that team right now (rios) who is likely to slug over .500. Wells and Hill have an outside chance, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Wonder if they need a left-handed DH/first baseman?
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely you kid.....
Mr. LaRussa would not send his favorite step child to play with that terrible, horrible, no good Scott Rolen. Would he?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas, Ott, Ruth, Williams.... Pujols
Interesting end to the article:
“With a career average of .302, Thomas is one of four players in baseball history to record at least a .300 average, 500 home runs, 1,500 RBIs, 1,000 runs and 1,500 walks. The others are Mel Ott, Babe Ruth and Ted Williams.”
If Thomas can latch on this year and get semi-regular playing time, he can easily pass the 1,500 runs threshhold, too. He’s 26 runs away. The .300, 500, 1500, 1500, 1500 “club” stays the same: Ott, Ruth, Williams. However, if he does prolong his career, his BA might be in danger of dropping below .300. Roughly 400 at bats at .250 would drag his average below .300.
If Albert stays healthy (even should there be a season lost recovering from TJ surgery and there is some decline due to age), he can make all of these levels in his mid thirties, but 1500 walks will be later, even at a new level of 100 walks per year. I won’t go through the math lest I anger the baseball gods …..
Albert Pujols’ baseball-reference page, leaders pages, etc., is definitely a favorite distraction…..
by ncgostl on Apr 20, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on El Hombre/Marty Mason?
I’ve always appreciated El Hombre’s self-less approach. He does whatever it takes to win. He will take a walk (sometimes the opposing team doesn’t give him the choice). He will drive in runners in different ways, and not just by hitting the glamour HR. I think his approach contrasts sharply to Sammy and Dunn who are feast and famine types, who don’t think about anything but HRs.
On a completely different note… I don’t hear much about Marty Mason as Dunc usually gets most of the credit/blame and attention on pitching. How much credit should Marty get for the solid bullpen since 2000? Does Dunc also work with the bullpen or are their roles fairly well-defined?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Apr 20, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some sportswriter, I think maybe Gammons?
once said that Pujols burns with the need to prove how great he is every day. And now that he’s accepted as a great all-around hitter (avg, power, OBP) in the Manny/ARod/Junior mold, I’ll bet Albert still wants to prove that he can literally do it all in baseball. He probably would like to be the acknowledged best bunter/situational hitter/base stealer as well.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty Mason
I don’t know much about him, but you can see him working on mechanics with the pitchers in the bullpen a lot. The broadcasters were talking about him the other day, how he’ll probably be a good pitching coach for a team someday.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Pujols - any ideas why?
Why is Pujols doing better this year? Was he “more unhealthy” than usual last year? Do you think this is something he worked on this winter?
by sdrone on Apr 20, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like, ...
from the above post, that he changed his approach some last year, as well. It would appear that he went for a less aggressive approach at the plate (re: the lower percentage of 1st pitch swings). It seems like he has decided that the approach was flawed, and he has returned to his more aggressive approach. What do you guys think?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think about
picking up Tony Graffanino as the Spezio-esque super sub?
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we already have
Aaron Miles, Brendan Ryan, and D’Angelo Jimenez at AAA. Why do we need him?
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because in my opinion
he is much better than Miles and Jiminez and Bernie, Goold and Leach have all stated that TLR seemingly has an unwillingness to bring Ryan back when he’s healthy.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about the rest of you ...
but Tony’s attitude toward Brendan Ryan is really pissing me off … get over it Tony … the kid can play … LET HIM PLAY!!!! ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if by play you mean...
Swinging at sliders before they leave the pitchers hand and going 0-5 with 2 strike outs against double A pitching. Then yes. Ryan can play.
Ryan would have made the team out of spring training if it wasnt for injury. Once he gets his game back up to level it was at the end of spring training he’ll be back with the major league club. He has only looked good in 1 game in his rehab start. And that was a game when Memphis put up 20 runs agains the pitcher.
Ryan will be back on the team. But right now he doesn’t look ready.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know how to respond to that......
Those are almost verbatim words out of Mr. LaRussa mouth, according to things Goold and Matthew Leach wrote…...
He has a problem with Ryan; it’s been reported as such. He should be evaluated-fairly-at the end of his rehab assignment. Not this minute. At the end of the assignment. Mr. LaRussa needs to stop implying that he’s not good enough RIGHT NOW! It is not helpful to the organization. Period.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Leach.
TLR said some things today about how it’s not guaranteed that Brendan Ryan won’t be optioned once he’s healthy, but honestly… there’s pretty much no way he’s not on the roster once his rehab finishes.
Leach seems to think that Ryan will back it back on the roster once his rehab finishes.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Mr. Leach thinks that.
That’s NOT what Mr. LaRussa is saying…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing is pretty silly
I’m not sure if Ryan’s ready or not, or really what Tony says about Ryan. Is Ryan better than Rico? Yes. Would he be better today, whether he’s “ready” or not? Unquestionably. Ryan can play 3 positions to Rico’s 1 and Rico doesn’t play that one well. I was hoping Rico would hit reasonably well when he was called up but he just hasn’t. Right now, he’s wasting a roster spot and it’s time to call Ryan up.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 ... It's like he's not being given a fair chance ...
I say: 1) Ryan’s numbers from the end of last year, 2) his very good ST, 3) his decent numbers during rehab (yes, you have to include his one big game as well as his couple of 0-5’s) and 4) his upside (the kid can be explosive … he makes things happen) ... all of this adds up to HE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING SLAMMED BY TONY … let him finish his re-hab … but to bad-mouth him during this re-hab really annoys me … he should have earned much more respect than that …
And when you have Rico batting .118, and killing rallies (though he has been good in the field, I’ll grant him that), it only adds injury to the insult …
By the way … I didn’t say he belongs on the team right this second … though he certainly could be … consider this:
MLB Career: .289/.347/.406/.763
5 Game Rehab: .304/.333/.565/.889
What I did say is that he plays well enough that he doesn’t deserve Tony’s bad attitude and disparaging public statements about him … He’s an exciting young player, and he’s good enough to be on this team when his re-hab is over …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rico hasn't been good in the field
he cost us the game in SF last sunday by missing a routine 2-out grounder, leading to a big inning.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 20, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about that ...
But I was trying to throw the guy a bone … I don’t dis-like Rico or anything … I just think Ryan deserves to be in the team right now (or after his re-hab) istead of him … and, I think it’s obvious … especially given the middle infield’s struggles … but, I didn’t want to seem like Rico is a piece of crap, because he has done some nice things in the field …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rico
I dislike him greatly, everytime I hear his name spoken by the commentators it makes me wish I could punch him in the face
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop. Just stop.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there is the rub
Ryan fills the most pressing need of the club infield depth. If the team is taking their time to make sure his rehab is complete it is incongruous to the way they are rushing back rehabing pitchers and outfielders (to a mild degree Duncan after the first series).
I understand that these other players are guys who basically had a guaranteed spot, but if there is no one else bocking Ryan (and Rico, though admirable does not fit this category) then it doesn’t make sense relative to the other decisions made by the club so far this year.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the club has stated
That they wanted to see how his injury reacts to colder weather. Which is why they moved him up north to springfield. He has also not been very sharp in his rehab. He has a couple of errors and a lot of 0-for days. He has had 1 really good day on thursday. He went 4-5 with a HR. But he followed that up with an 0-5 with 2 strike outs.
I; too; wish they would have given Joel a few starts in the minors. But i guess facing the Giants is close enough to facing an AAA team.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why ...
I don’t see them really keeping Ryan down when he is ready. Mozeliak has already shown that he is not going to allow personal issues to get in the way of the best roster. I can’t see how Ryan gets held down while Rico clearly seems to be overmatched in the field and at the plate.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. We have all of those guys. But Graffinino is a much better player than
Miles and Jimenez. And how will we ever know if Ryan’s the right guy? He annoys our $8 million dollar manager…...we don’t pay him enough to have to put up with an annoying player, do we? (snark)......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's better than Miles
but not Ryan. His career OBP is .336 and he’s played SS exactly 11 games in 4 years. How will adding Graffanino help us learn if Ryan is the right guy? The last thing we need is ANOTHER super-sub utility infielder guy.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost feel like mentioning Ryan as an option
is like mentioning The Hoff as an option: pretty much not an option unless and extreme circumstance.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. But the manager doesn't seem to think much of Ryan.
I’m just wondering if Mr.Mozeliak is going to pull a Reyes with Ryan, and force him onto the roster wheter the manager wants him or not. Because it is in the organizations long term interest to get a true read of his talent. Hoff’s too. I’m not really for Graffanino…....I just think if it’s not Ryan or Hoff, I’d rather have him than Miles. He’s a better all around player than Miles. We have Miles for the year. So they won’t be adding him anyway.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My read on TLR's comments
is that Ryan is not a proven major leaguer coming off an injury and therefore guaranteed elevation to the big leagues once his rehab assignment is complete. One game doesn’t prove Ryan is ready to go day in day out.
Give the rehab process time and if all goes as planned Ryan will be promoted. If he suffers a set back, he will not be promoted, therefore his promotion isn’t guaranteed.
TLR was imho responding to a question like “When will Ryan be back with the club?” and TLR probably did not feel comfortable giving a 100% guarantee.
by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't like those kind of comments coming from Mr. LaRussa......
Why not just say….he’s rehabbing now, we will re-evaluate his progress at the end of the assignment. Why not say we’ll call him up when he’s ready. Or Re hab is going well? Or rehab is not going well? Or nothing?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did say
that Ryan is rehabbing now and that he will be re evaluated as the assignment progresses. He stressed the things Ryan needs to do to show he is ready to be called up.
by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.....I guess he's got a list for Ryan too.......
Because I get the feeling they dwell too much on what players CAN”T do instead of what they CAN do. Sorry, but to me that’s a backwards approach, especially since it only seems to apply to certain players.
Ryan’s another one I’ve been upset about…..I better just stop here.
You all have a nice afternoon.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been a better answer
But he isn’t a politician. And he isn’t fielding screened questions.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also know, jills,
that Mr. LaRussa prefers to “motivate” players through the press. I see the situation as analogous to what the Blues and Andy Murray went through this year with David Perron. You see great ability and potential, but it seems like he probably has some growing to do in how he plays the game. I think LaRussa, in his own clumsy way, is attempting to not let Ryan believe he has simply been conceded a spot on the roster.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely oppose that method of motivation.
It is often counter-productive. And it hurts the player with the casual fan. They hear it as LaRussa implying that he’s crap and not good enough.
Do they really want to add Ryan to the list? What if they want to include him in a trade down the road? They have permanently hurt another players’ trade value by crap talk-and they were lucky they could find a trading partner for Rolen-in the interest of the organization it needs to stop. WE should not know that LaRussa finds Ryan annoying. That should be one of those stay in the clubhouse things…...
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I completely oppose that style of management, too. I believe in the public praise/private criticize method of management. I hope that came through in my post. I can tell you’re a little riled up here, so I was just questioning your point that LaRussa was looking to keep Ryan off of the roster. I don’t necessarily think that is the point that he was trying convey in his comments about Ryan not having a “guaranteed” roster spot.
Do you think I’m off-base, or do you just disagree with his methods? Thanks.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry if I sound riled up.
There is nothing that makes me madder than a player being disparged in the press. So I guess I am riled up. I like that word by the way.
I didn’t mean it to sound like I was zinging you, I’m really not.
I just hate when he does that. It doesn’t help anybody IMO.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not offended.
I was just trying to cut through the emotion, and I was wondering if you really feel that LaRussa will not look to bring Ryan back onto the team after a successful rehab based on his comments to the press. I don’t necessarily see it that way. What do ya think?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it sounds like it. I hope not, though.
The bottom line is he’s the best minor leaguer we have that has had some ML experience. It was a small sample size, I know, but he performed well and brought a certain spark to the team when they needed it.
To me that should be enough to get another look see.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 ... Motivating someone through publicly dissing them ...
is ludricrous … try to find that in any Management primer …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now we are assuming..
That Ryan hasn’t been informed that he has to play his way back on the team from management. Instead he is learning it from the news.
If Ryan has been informed of that. Why are we upset that Tony is answering a question truthfully?
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa has said
he has problems with Ryan’s personality in the clubhouse. Ryan reportedly suffers from A.D.D., and is known to fidget, hop around, etc. While not really his fault, these traits nonetheless annoyed some of the lower-key veterans on the team last year.
From what I read of the spring training experience, Ryan is learning to tamp it down but is still not what you could term “calm.” There is no doubt this is a significant factor in his future with the club, aside from his current injury situation.
by Red in Chicago on Apr 20, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a sh*t about Ryan's personality ...
I care what he does on the field … I’ve never heard anything that says Ryan is a bad team member or causes unrest in the club house … if he has ADD he has ADD … big deal … do you think he’s the first baseball player to have ADD? I doubt it … There is absolutely no way to defend Tony’s current treatment of Brendan Ryan …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clap, clap, clap......
That is the absolute bottom line. Can the dude play?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds can play too...
why dont we sign him? i bet a lot of people that say “all that matters is can he play?” would also be dead against signing Bonds because of his “baggage.” Ryan has “baggage” too in his past, IIRC, and his attitude is one of the main things that has held him back but he is the best option for the super utilty role we have so he should get the chance if he proves he is back to the level he was at last year…if he is not then he should in no way be just given that roster spot back…
TLR is someone a lot of you dont like, which is fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i dont like “dissing” people in the press but dude has done it for 30+ years and it has made him one of, if not THE best managers of all-time. overall the players dont seem to mind for every 1 player who didnt like Tony there are 20 that say they loved playing for him. i would say that you cant find many mangers who you can say the same about.
Sorry, a litte rant…too many words in quotations too…ill work on that,,,
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by nomar34 on Apr 21, 2008 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that ....
criticizing players in the press is what has made him successful, and even the guys that like him have expressed displeasure at that aspect of his managerial method. He is successful because of his ability to keep an entire roster ready to play, to try to identify places where each player will thrive, and to not fear changes that seem to give him an advantage. IMO, he could easily be as successful as he has been WITHOUT the public criticism.
by etp_stl on Apr 21, 2008 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true
i didnt mean it to sound like that was why he was so successful but it is one of his characteristics and he is successful. he probably could be just as successful without it but he isnt going to stop after 30+ years and it doesnt seem to be hurting the team (6 playoffs, 2 WS in 8 years) it just gives fans and the press something to talk about…
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by nomar34 on Apr 21, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, ...
you weren’t following the reports by Goold coming from ST. He had a long article discussing how Ryan’s personality was causing a ruckus with several of the veteran players, and that also irritated LaRussa. I’m not saying that I believe that clubhouse harmony is the most important item. I’m just pointing out that it has definitely been reported that he was a less-than-desirable team member last year.
I also think that the point has been made in multiple articles that Ryan’s ADD (by his own estimation) has caused him to lose focus in the field and at the plate. I obviously don’t see that as a reason to keep a talented player off the roster, but I do see it as something that a coaching staff should try to rectify if it can.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the club has a bit of a different makeup than last year too.
A lot of the guys on the roster played with him through the Cardinals minor league system. If he annoys them, I’m sure they’ve figured out how to deal with it. Heck, I’d bet some of them are even his friends…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
I’m more concerned with his loss of focus in the field/at bat. Those are more important issues, as they affect his performance. If a guy performs, guys will find a way to get along with him.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current treatment?
He had making the team out of ST until the Injury. Snice the start of the season I doubt that there has been any interaction between Ryan and Tony. If there has it hasn’t been a lot.
We are getting upset over Tony saying that Ryan has to prove he is healthy and can produce to make the team? That’s treating someone bad now?
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prove he's ready
even if he does get called up soon, will he really play regularly over teacher’s pet Iz2 or AK? Tony has already said he will give Iz2 a long leash, so what is he getting ready for? Playing every 5th day when Pinero’s scrubs start?
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think he is going to take a starting job.
I can’t see him taking a spot over either Izturis or Kennedy. He will get significant playing time when he can spell Glaus, Kennedy, and Izturis. I think those guys will get rotated a lot more when Ryan gets back.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll get a starting job either ...
maybe against LHP at second, though … but he’ll definately add quality depth to the middle infield, which is what we need …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teacher's pet?
What the heck is going on?
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you say ...
that Jimenez has been a Spivey-type wash-out? I don’t see him as any type of option going forward. It seems like Ryan will be your super-sub in the future (you can’t have Rico blocking him).
Doesn’t Miles seem to be an anchor pulling this team down? Or, maybe, LaRussa’s love for Miles, anyway. We need that spot on the roster to have Hoff, Ryan, and maybe the potential for other options.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite.....I think Spivey was paid a whole lot more money than Jimenez.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, ...
he was expected to take the starting job. I was referencing more the fact that he flopped in spring training, and that he has really become a failed option. Sorry for the confusion. I simply don’t think he is a reason to not look for additional bench help. Would you agree?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do. I agree with that.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols' OBP
I had the impression his OBP was so good because he was collecting a lot of intentional-unintentional walks. I had attributed this mostly to the perception that we had no batter behind him who could inflict remotely as much damage.
Consequently, I expected his OBP to decrease as pitchers start perceiving Ludwick and Ankiel as true threats. Conversely, a spate of slumps might maintain his OBP at about .500.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Apr 20, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man alive...
a post about Pujols’ overlooked greatness gets turned into a debate about how walks aren’t important and why La Russa hates Brendan Ryan. El Hombre can’t stop getting overlooked!
(By the way, he’s fucking awesome. You could smell that homer against Cain coming Friday night.)
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Apr 20, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There could be a debate about houston's statement about this being
Pujols’ best start. While he does have better rate stats as of right now, it’s hard to argue he is doing better this season then in 2006. He left April that year on pace to break not only Bonds HR record but Hack Wilson’s RBI record.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me it's the 16 BB's vs. 5 K's
that’s putting him in another stratosphere. If he keeps that up, he’ll be upwards of 40 HR’s and we know the BA and RBI will be there. Imagine if he could finish the season w/ 100 MORE BB’s than K’s! That would be really impressive.
2 deep drives off Looper to start the game. Let’s settle in Loop!
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always fantaised
that Pujols would be able to take that next strp forward when he hit his late 20s and put up Sub-Bondsian .330/.480/.700ish numbers.
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we take Pujols for granted
He’s having another good season, so what else is new. Thanks to houstoncardinal for the reminder that we have the best player in baseball on our team.
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best start
didn’t he hit like 17 HR in April a year or two ago?
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.346/.509/.914
14 HR
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Line-ups
Line-ups are in:
Giants:
1. Lewis, LF
2. Castillo, 3B
3. Durham, 2B
4. Molina, C
5. Rowand, CF
6. Bowker, RF
7. Aurilia, 1B
8. Bocock, SS
9. Sanchez, P
Cards:
1. Schumaker, CF
2. Barton, LF
3. Pujols, 1B
4. Ludwick, RF
5. Glaus, 3B
6. Molina, C
7. Miles, 2B
8. Looper, P
9. Izturis, SS
I''m a Jenius!
by gibbons on Apr 20, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see ...
Ankiel get a day off. It seems like he needs it. It’s also nice to see Ludwick get some playing time without having to be at the expense of Schumaker. The bottom of the lineup still seems like it’s going to hurt.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
much needed day off for Ank. Plus I love seeing Schumaker and Barton 1 and 2.
Need a win today..Makes the difference between a good homestand and just an ok homestand.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skippy then Barton.
Makes me all gidding inside. I wish we could do this everyday.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems to be ...
about as well as we can protect Pujols right now. With two OBP guys in front of him, and with Ludwick’s scorching bat behind him.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
Barton’s speed helps some, though. I have been a proponent of Duncan, so you don’t have to convince me.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be nice if Larussa wasn't so concerned about giving up outs
that he then gives up outs. He refuses to allow them to straight steal and instead puts hitters like Pujols, Duncan, Ankiel in situations where they have to give up outs/strikes to protect the runners.
Pujols K vs Lincecum yesterday had more to do with the double steal than with Tim Lincecum.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, enough ranting about Ryan ...
I love today’s line-up … Finally, Ludwick gets a start in the 4 hole behind Pujols … seize the day Ryan! ... I like our chances today … righties collectively hit .287 against Sanchez … we don’t have great numbers against him, no one has more hat a couple of at-bats against him … I hope we can tee-off on him, given our lull offensively yesterday …
I also love the speed at the top of the order, with Barton in the 2 spot … perhaps today is the day for Glaus to break out after getting benched yesterday …
Let’s kick so SF arse!!! Go Cards!!!
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take out Miles
and this is my favorite lineup so far. You could even take him out and just go with 8 and I’d be happy
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see Miles today ...
than watch Kennedy try to hit LHPitching … of course, I’d rather see Ryan, but I won’st start up again … hell, I’d rather see Hoffpaire (or however you spell it) than Miles …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen James Burnett makes me cry
oh, what could have been.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stealing my lines
houston, where’s my credit? i trademarked the word “Bonds-ian”. (I tried to link it to an earlier comment i made, but i couldn’t get it to work. Check out my profile and my earlier comment “Fun with sample sizes”.)
by sdangler on Apr 20, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is the home broadcast
not on Directv?
The Giant guys?!?
Really?
by Harknights on Apr 20, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else find that chemistry segment
not only insulting their intelligence, but insulting to Edmonds (and obviously Rolen) as well?
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, what are you talking about?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pregame spot
it was mlb.tv and probably show on whichever station is broadcasting the game.
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I wasn’t paying attention. Edmonds still has friends here with the Cardinals. When the Padres come together they are having a get together at F15teen. Tickets should be going on sell soon too. 314.588.8899 is F15teens number if anyone is interested.
Both Padre and Cardinal players will be there.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
were winning because the chemistry(!) is through the roof because Edmonds was bringing to team down with his bad additude… but wait I though Edmonds was the team leader that spurred the team to WS glory—so which phony BS story is it?
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only way Edmonds was keeping the team down..
Was his declining bat speed and not being able to catch up to the high heat that he loved so much.
I guess this is a good place as any to ask. When posting a fanshot does anyone know If I need to resize an image? l’ll the ones that have been posted seem to be the same size.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here, here
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a little too much.
For those who didn’t see it, the pregame talked about the improved clubhouse chemistry with the youth infusion at the expense of Rolen and Edmonds. Hrabowsky made some comments about how Edmonds is a great friend, but a little moody. He also said that Rolen was affecting the clubhouse, even if he didn’t mean to.
I think that stuff is a little overplayed, but there does seem to be a better jump in the step of the team this year. Isn’t that maybe more due to better on the field production due to the removal of two underperforming, high-priced veterans?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A crazy thought:
Maybe the hot start is due to having a healthy Pujols, and non-sucking Kennedy, more effective starting pitching, and overall superior talent, and Scuhmaker, Ludwick, Wellemeyer, and Loshe all playing out of their minds.
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KSDK's Games are really Dark
Anybody else having a hard time seeing things? They need to bump up the brightness
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I notice that every week. No other game on the EI package or on fsnmw ever looks as crappy as ksdk’s when they are at Busch
by The Butcher on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loop's gotta get that ball down
or this is gonna be a long day. That’s 2 long drives and 2 hard line drives in 4 batters.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Looper isn't doing so good against ...
some of these RH batters … settle in, Loop …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like
this game is being played in a church…
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well it is Baseball Heaven
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my church is louder then this
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by erik on Apr 20, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodged a bullet
Man.. I wish we were playing the Pirates today
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh boy
Giants hitting the ball hard.
And we caught a break on the ground rule double.
Better shape up Loop!
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew! there's out #3 ...
C’mon offense … get started early …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our last game with the Giants???
:`(
and yes “nutty” is the perfect word.
Barry Bonds died for your sins.
by JI on Apr 20, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This kid is pumping strikes
Lot of heat
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes ... it's a little omenous ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a two pitch pitcher right now
and just barely.. 14 pitches: 12 heaters, 2 sliders.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year he gave up a lot of HR and a fair amount ...
of walks … he’s been throwing much more strikes so far this year … let’s hope he digresses toward the mean …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's his history
Good K rate, intermittent control problems, lots of balls hit in the air. A guy like that can throw a no-hitter out of the blue, or batting practice.
by StanTheManFan on Apr 20, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Horton
doesn’t know what the Rule 4 draft is.
Here’s a hint: we took you in the 4th round of it.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's nice
to see a throw from short actually get there without Albert having to pick it out of the dirt.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bocock's got a Adam Kennedy like swing
Long swing with an uppercut.. No wonder he’s batting .185
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gameday
anyone else having probs with gameday today?
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
None for me
using the 2007 version, though.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man oh Man are Pirates terrible
Birds better win today or the Cubs will be in 1st.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they look so bad it's ridiculous
Hope they can at least keep it up through Thursday
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
luck
could this team have better luck with little bloop hits and rollers through the infield
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Much better inning for Loop ...
he’s settling in …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
better inning for looper
More like that please.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5
anybody know what the 5 is that is being shown on the broadcast today?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I’m watching in on MLB.tv. I’m not familiar with the local StL channels as I live in Houston, Tx.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the channel
it’s on channel 5
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by Molina4MVP on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.ksdk.com/
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loop looked better than inning
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez must hide the ball well
Nobody seems to have any idea where the ball is going
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice atbat glaus
they seem to mostly come with no one on
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slumpbreaker
He really bore down there, fouled off some tough pitches, and then drove one. That’s not the AB of a guy not seeing the ball. Could Glaus join the ranks of hot bats in the Rebird lineup? If so, look out Milwaukee.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
We need more 9 pitch ABs that end in a double
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope we start seeing a lot more of that !
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bummer ... Miles kills the 'rally' ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Benji a clean up hitter
one of the biggest jokes in baseball
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure benji
running the bases is a better one
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina running the bases
no matter which one is a joke
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, so much for settling in ...
3 straight hits … bear down, Loop …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this has disaster inning written all over it
Loop leaving the ball up all game.
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone who sees pitching well...
What just happened to Looper?
by six on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
get Reyes warmed up
Looper’s not fooling anyone.
by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
K would be nice
here
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn ... Albert was guarding the line ...
and it still got by him …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Singling to death
way to go, HoustonCardinals.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets stop the bleeding
please
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get him outta there ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go look at the standings to see us in 1st
Because that’s about to change.. That stinks.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dempster pitching for the Cubs
Reds about to get to the Brewers ‘pen.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Dempster's ERA?
He only allowed 1 hit to the Pirates last time he faced them
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once the Cubs
start playing teams that can actually pitch/hit they will cool down.
by KYCards on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loop looks like garbage
we’ll need at least 7 to win today
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by stltrav09 on Apr 20, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I blame John Kruk
He jinxed Looper by picking him in Daily Double
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we dont come back today....
arent we gonna look back at these games and kick ourselves for losing the season series to the giants.
by FunkeeC on Apr 20, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's 4-0 in the 3rd
and they are the Giants. Settle down everyone. The Sanchez kid isn’t that good.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah. Look on the bright side.
Reyes?
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, now it's 6 nothing
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is getting ugly
good thing we’re playing the Giants. time for Plan B?
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please get him out of there ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes is warming up
Hurry up Anthony
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus christ
That Bowker guy.. you’ve got to be kidding me
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our pitching staff is making him look amazing
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by IrishDomer08 on Apr 20, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes is warming up
Duncan has a bat. With no one on now they’ll try to get Loop through this inning than pinch hit.
Nice play by Izturis.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's turning into a pumpkin!
Well who the hell can see forever?
by Alxfritz on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we have an out
2 more to go
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Always enjoy hearing
the sarcastic cheer from the crowd
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
least i can turn on the lakers game now
by FunkeeC on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
those ground outs came
6 runs too late
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is painful
I missed the Cards 6 run inning the other bcuz I went to pick up a pizza. Why am I still watching this Giants rally?
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to cause panic
but didn’t our pitching started to go south about this time last year too?
At least this year we have Lohse, a solid #2 starter…something we really didn’t have last year.
by KYCards on Apr 20, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inverted quality start
6 runs and 3 or fewer innings.
by punditmoi on Apr 20, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis
can he throw the ball in the air to 1st?
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by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper still = inconsistent ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper batting for himself?
Are you serious? We are keeping him in the game?
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable ...
I guess they’re going to try to milk as much from his start as possible … rediculous …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
there is no need for this with Reyes out there wasting away
by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 20, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm betting there are no scouts there today.......
We’ll see if he shows up later…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt count as a start
if you dont get at least one at bat
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welp, I'm an idiot
Sanchez walks him.
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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a thank you walk
For giving up so many runs.
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
however,
at this point, it probably makes more sense to save the bullpen for milwaukee
by NorseKaiser on Apr 20, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would have to be the reasoning ...
they’ll yank him if (when) he gets hit hard again …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's that lack of control Sanchez tends toward ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one run at a time
it is really early
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants announcers
seem really down on Sanchez, that he’s a threat to blow up anytime he has to work from the stretch. hopefully that starts soon…
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Apr 20, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team can come back against anybody ...
(except maybe Lincecum) ... :)
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis ... walk or automatic out ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone else and i would have hope for a drive
not with him
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just happy he didn't ground into a DP
Mendoza the Second at work.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta protect the plate better than that, Skip ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overmatced
Skippy does not look good against this pitcher.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Bowker terrifies me
that is all.
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by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
through the first...
Mulder took 11 pitches and allowed a hit, then picked the runner off.
by longhornscardinals on Apr 20, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well there's some good news today ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and brendan ryan...
just led off with a single. no idea regarding his velocity, just watching on gameday.
by longhornscardinals on Apr 20, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good ... now he's batting .310 in his re-hab start ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap ... now Albert leads-off with the bases empty ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looper & day games
Wasn’t Looper terrible last year in day games?
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if i remember correctly
he was good in day and horrid at night
by FunkeeC on Apr 20, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other way around
but I wouldn’t consider that a predictive split.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just the opposite ...
he was great in day games and sucked at night … I mean, it was like night and day … :)
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Great during the day (1.82 ERA) and horrible at night (6.75 ERA). He was also far better at Busch III (3.34 ERA) than on the road (6.81 ERA). So, today does not fit the 2007 pattern.
For what it’s worth, the offense was also awesome on Sundays.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to be Mr. Negativity
But it is never a good sign when we have struck out 5 times in 3 innings…With our top 3 hitters having all the strikeouts.
by Pujols Is A God on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting tidbit (fun with small sample sizes!)
looper entered the game with an ERA a full 3.30 runs better than Sanchez.
Sanchez now owns an ERA .03 better than Loopers
by longhornscardinals on Apr 20, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bye-bye Loop ... enter Mr. Reyes ...
Pitch’em Anthony …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BIrds will have to score at least 7 runs
Against a guy who’s allowed 1 hit so far.. That’s a pretty Herculiean task.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Reyes on the mound
We can all remember how good he is at getting run support…
by NorseKaiser on Apr 20, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so Herculian
against the San Fran ‘pen, but still a tall order to be sure.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes flatbill
Eat high heat, Giants.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon ARey
you got this
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DP would be nice
Too bad he doesn’t get enough groundballs.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
feels like our first real stinker of the year
blah
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well.
Im Out. I’ll list on the Radio. This doesn’t seem to be our game.
by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im going to keep it on
i brought out tv #2 for the lakers nugs game
that one looks like it will be crappy too
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Barton throws to the wrong base and Molina’s still out.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he throws to second
the runner on 3rd scores.
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
if you’ll notice, he threw it to the cutoff man. If he’d have thrown to 2nd, it would have been about a 5 hopper.
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good pitch
bad result there.
And I don’t think Barton threw to the wrong base. The lead runner was heading to third and a throw might need to be made home.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
we seem to be having an inordinate amount of weak bloopers land for hits this season.
Maybe it’s just because I remember so many searing line drives last season.
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by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great...
and the first one I have have been able to watch on TV this season (being in the middle of nowhere Iowa). Does Shannon normally take a few innings on the Sunday broadcasts? If he doesn’t, he should, because it makes the broadcast bearable
by NorseKaiser on Apr 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they usually bring him on for the KSDK games, at least or a bit
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by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some bad luck for Anthony ...
Not a bad pitch to Molina … and a clunker to Right … bummer … just not our day …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the pitch to Molina
was a hanger and deserved to be hit hard. The one to Rowand was bad luck.
by chuckb on Apr 20, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reyes
maybe i gave up on him prematurely. i know he’s all over the place, but he’s got a much better tempo, better velo for sure.
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by erik on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bright Side
Maybe this will convince LaDunca to put Looper in pen when Mulder returns, and keep Walley starting.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll see ... there quite a few more starts ...
before Mulder gets back … any updates, on Mark, by the way?
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using his defense through 2
Gameday is here
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4-1
flyouts to groundouts?
not a good sign.
by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder ... 24 pitches (17 for strikes) thru 2IP ...
No SO … no BB … game is 1-0 Springfield …
Brendan Ryan is now batting .417 with Memphis …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's given up 2 hits so far ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder picks off his second base runner of the day ...
Still no runs allowed through 3IP, 32P-22 strikes … GO/FO: 2-4 … look’in good so far …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he leads off the inning with a single
He’s got his golfer’s swing going…
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder gets a single, and Brendan Ryan doubles in the 4th at Springfield ...
Ryan is now hitting .462 at Springfield …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see
hopefully he’s made the adjustments that he talked about in this post of Booher’s.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for keying on Mulders, start ... It's much more interesting ...
than the Cards game today … I am just watching it now to see Reyes pitch … plus, you never know …
Anyway … Mulder breezed through the 4th … has only had to throw 45 pitches to do it … pretty efficient … GO/FO ration is now 4-6 … has thrown 31 strikes … Springfield is winning 5-0 …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't apologize...
I don’t know about anyone else, but I appreciate the updates.
by six on Apr 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder thru 5IP ...
60 pitches, 40 strikes … gave up his firts walk, but also got his first SO … GO-FO now 5-4 … Game still 5-0 …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder has a shaky 6th ...
With 75 pitches, he started getting tired … gave up 2 more walks; 3 on the day … had a wild pitch … but gets thru the inning scoreless, by getting a line-out with runners on 1st & 3rd … line right now is:
6IP, 3H, 0R, 3BB, 1SO, 0Hr, 0.00 ERA
76 pitches, 46 strikes ; GO/FO: 7-8
Not too bad a re-hab start, but not overwhelming … 53 FIGS against AA … hmmm …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan Ryan, by the way ...
Struck out on a 9 pitch at-bat his third time up … made’m work …
Got hit-by-pitch fourth time up … currently batting .429 … with 1 HR and 3 RBI in 14 AB …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His OPS is currently 1.324 ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way ... Springfield is now winning 7-0 ...
Shorey hit a PH HR to score 2 … the Tulsa pither was ejected from the game for hitting Ryan …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder finished for the day ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the AA updates.
Certainly more entertaining than the big league game.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bloop hits
i cant remember a team playing against us, that gets soo many bloop hits. I’m almost gonna cry.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
96 mph ... consistently 95-96 from Reyes ..
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Season series
We are going to lose the season series vs. San Fran. Incredible.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reminder
it aint over…
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so,
I’m not sure what youre implying there.
18 outs; to me that means that there’s still some game left.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds
The Cardinals average 4.72 runs per game (or, per 27 offensive outs). They have scored 8 runs in 27 outs on three occasions and over 8 runs once. They now have 16 outs to score 8 runs. Not the best odds. Then again, against the San Fran ‘pen, it’s possible.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
its a tough row to hoe, but it can be done
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good start to the inning
May Albert come up again in this frame with men on base.
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, Troy
Let’s keep it going
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by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now that just figures
god that sucked
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by ihavebadknees on Apr 20, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez
Looks like his control is back… in the dirt.
Jump all over em boys!
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by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, our luck is holding up so far this inning ...
an excuse-me swing double play from Glaus …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
game thread
is consistently 20 seconds ahead of mlb.tv’s broadcast.
it’s getting to where I cant look at the thread while the game is going on. My hopes are constantly dashed because I see on here what happens in the game before it happens on the mlb.tv ‘cast.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good ab from Yadi
think he can steal 2nd. :-p
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is 2nd
now located a half step from 1st?
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by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need a distraction?
Pirates have bases loaded, one out…
by six on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with McLouth up and dumpster can't find the plate
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI McLouth!
Even though nothing was “batted.”
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
walked in a run
5-2
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez fielder's chioce rbi
5-3
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hustle
nice hustle Super Mario!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stolen
by luigi
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not play Kennedy?
His career BA and OBP vs. lefties is better than Izturis’ career BA and OBP against everyone.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy playing instead of Iz2?
who plays short?
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by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Instead of Miles.
If TLR is suggesting that Kennedy’s offensive production against lefties is not good enough to ever take an AB against them (which he implies by consistently sitting Kennedy against lefties), then how can he justify Izturis stepping into a batter’s box?
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, ok
i misunderstood what you were saying. I think AK would have made a couple of the plays that Super Mario let get by. Who knows though, I could be wrong.
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by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo's
cubs fans were booing the Dumpster after the walk
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
keep booing
walked Bay to load bases. LaRoche up.
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
struck him out
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till they
face teams other that the Pirates, the Cubs boo birds will really be in full force.
by KYCards on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize we're playing the Giants, right?
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by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes,
but we’re not booing the pitcher, i.e. looper for opening up for 7.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Giants team is not
as bad as the Pirates in my opinion. At least the Giants have good starting pitching.
by KYCards on Apr 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our problem
has always been not scoring, and then the pressure that the pitching feels because of that. that’s why the giants are so tough for us.
by NorseKaiser on Apr 20, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee...
Bases loaded, 1 out, top of the 10th
by NorseKaiser on Apr 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed...
The Reds walked Braun twice this series.
What’s wrong with them?
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
what happened to reyes’ change….. im sick of the curve
by TICY on Apr 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another bloop
dang!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs now up 6-3 after Cedeno rbi double
pinch hitting for dumpster after 5 innings and giving up 3 runs. I guess Lou doesn’t think he’ll need his bullpen against the Mets
And LaRoche lets one under his glove, scores Cedeno. 7-3.
Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)
by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder = 45 pitches through (31 strikes) through 4
still no K. He’s gotten the GB/FB ratio down to 4/6 though
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Santa Glaus
I’m not sold on this nick name. I think “Troy” is the more promising source for a good name.
The Happy Trojan appeals to me.
Paris or Helena are probably too attenuated, though both names would aptly describe his hitting.
How about, “the Lost City.” He sure has seemed lost up their recently . . .
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Apr 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Small victories
I would love to see just 1 freaking run scored
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, these dp are getting frustrating
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My god
The Pirates are a joke.. Watching this game on WGN is just absurd.. They have made so many miscues I’ve lost count
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sweet
5 DP’s in 2 days by SFO defense.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna keep saying this until it happens
Once our pitchers come back please trade Iz2, Kennedy and some pitchers for some good middle infielders.
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good middle infielders
please let them be able to hit as well.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Okay, Okay
The Pirates are the worst team in baseball. They field like a little league team.
Formerly Big Red (victim of the SBNation upgrade)
by Tackle Box on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
generosity
right there.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching them field
I can just hear the theme music to the Benny Hill show playing.. They look like complete fools
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder gets his first K
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
60 pithces, 40 strikes, 5-7 gb-fb through five
The inability to get strikeouts worries me a bit, though
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more curious about his velocity
Seems like that is key.. He can work on his command once he gets stronger, but if he’s still only throwing 88 mph heat, that is a problem.
by cloistermaximus on Apr 20, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis
Offically below the Mendoza Line, hitting .196. At least he still has a decent OBP, for now. What’s the OBP Mendoza Line? .300?
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still
He’s almost exactly at his career OPS (.626 vs .630), so it shouldn’t be unexpected. Just a little lower BA, a lot more OBP
Bench Skippy, start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on Apr 20, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.265 Slugging
That’s the scary aspect of it. He is not hitting at all. His career OBP is sub-.300; he is 65 points over that now, an overperformance that is unsustainable. He’s droped about 40 points in two weeks and will likely drop some more in the near future. The quesiton is whether there is any reason to be hopeful that he’ll start hitting again, let alone with any pop whatsoever. I fear that the answer is in the negative.
by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick sure isn't doing much with this clean-up opportunity ...
But no-one else is doing anything either … Thanks Loop for the 6-0 early hole … see what a nice effect it has on the team? ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad outing from Reyes for 3 IP ...
could have been better … could have been worse … about par for today …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to pick on him too much. But I never do.
He served one up to Molina. Deserved what he gave up there. He made a good pitch to Rowand…...I know everyone thinks good pitches don’t get hit, but they do, sometimes, by the good hitters.
But, if you watched on TV, he did not look comfortable, moving his shoulder around, tugging at his cap. Maybe a little rusty-he’s only pitched 2 innings in the last seven days. This was the first time he came in with a runner on-he scored. I think he’ll do better next time. I really do.
He did have a total of 6 base runners. 2 scored (1 was Looper’s) and that means 4 didn’t. I know, small victories, but that’s been a problem in the past…....if he can do that on day when he clearly didn’t have his best stuff, I think he’s still on the right track. Alas, the channel 5 camera panned to Mr. Duncan after he missed with an inside pitch, and he was shaking his head in disgust. I hope that was not what I thought it was, but considering who was on the mound, well….........I remember what Joe Strauss said about Reyes’ flaws being magnified in Duncan’s eyes.
Looper didn’t have his best command today; Reyes didn’t either. Reyes was a gamer today…....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, ...
the discussion on the broadcast was just talking about how McClellan shouldn’t even be considered as the one to make room for Springer. With that question, given that the team has Springer, TJ, Mulder, Clement, and Carpenter coming back, when do you think McClellan gets tapped?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reyes
after Reyes gets traded elsewhere McClellan will stay with the Cards.
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Reyes is not enough.
That doesn’t free up enough spots to adjust for all of these guys.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
i dont want to see ARey traded at all.
Pick on someone else, please
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you pick on, then?
I’m afraid Reyes will probably get traded at some point this summer. That said, we still have 5 pitchers coming back; and Reyes, Thompson, and McClellan are the only ones that I know have options. Nobody in the rotation can be demoted, so where do you go? Keep in mind, I don’t think any serious trading will occur until June.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tradeables, IMO
I would rather trade Loop, Pineiro, or someone else. I know it probably wont happen, but I get tired of hearing ARey’s name every time someone feels like someone should or will be traded.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they honestly tradeable, or ...
are those just guys you’d rather see gone? There is a difference. I find it hard to believe there will be an huge market for Looper. Too much money. Too old. Too little value. Pineiro is possibly a better option, so now we have freed up one spot out of 5. Next spot?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'm being a bit selfish
I like Loop, but I’d rather him be a reliever. Yeah, its probably not realistic that ARey will finish the year with the team, but I’d rather him stay.
I do think that there would be a market for Looper however, as a reliever and maybe as a starter. I dont know who else, butI’d rather it not be ARey.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it might be
reasonable to expect a relief market for him. Even if the Cards don’t trade Reyes, he is probably going to have to be demoted to AAA given that he is one of only 3 optionable pitchers on the team. I don’t see another way around it to make room for the other 5. It will be extremely difficult trade one of those 5 coming off of injury before they show something at the majors.
So, can you trade Flores/Villone to make room for TJ? LHP out of the bullpen is always in demand. If you want to keep both Reyes and McClellan then you will need to demote/trade Thompson, and probably still trade 2 of 3 of Looper, Wellemeyer, and Pineiro. That seems like a lot of trading, and it will be difficult to get value back. What do you think?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ still has options, right?
Why not keep him at AAA as insurance if all is going well? If Flores doesn’t improve, and TJ looks ready, trade him for a longshot single A prospect, and call it a day.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
That helps handle that spot. Springer is going to cause an immediate demotion of Thompson, Reyes, or McClellan. If we assume that McClellan is not the guy, then I would guess it will be Reyes (unless Mo steps in again). So, when Mulder comes back, do you then demote the other; or do you demote McClellan?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Springer. Trade Looper. They are not part of the future. At least they shouldn't be. We have right handers here. We have
right handers in Memphis. Reyes should not be optioned to Memphis. If he’s not kept here, they should trade him too. Is Mulder and Clement part of the future. Really? And you are going to give up your cheap young talent to keep broken armed pitchers around? That will cost you major bucks to keep NEXT year, when they are probably hurt again?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not advocating trading
any of the young guys. That said, we are looking at Springer coming back on THIS road trip. They are not going to be able to trade him (or anyone else for that matter) in mid-April. I think the Carpenter issue will be resolved via trade before he is ready to come back. I think that TJ and Mulder are going to push the Cards hand. I see the demotion as a way to keep all of these guys under control until the situation resolves itself.
I don’t think that Mulder or Clement will be part of the long-term future, but they will be a part of the immediate future, no? The same with Springer and Looper. You could throw Isringhausen in there using the same logic, right?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. But Izzy is a 5 + 10 guy. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't go.
TJ has rotator cuff issue. Just put him out of your mine. Who knows? He’s not even throwing yet on a mound
If Reyes goes down, LaRussa and Duncan will try to keep him there. It won’t be just a temporary roster solution. Unless Mr. Mozeliak wants to keep him for his power play, which I think is terribly unfair to the player. I really do.
And now I’ve gone and offended 99.9% of the Veb’ers….......
I really got to work on my self control….....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
So, the TJ issue is off the table. As I said, I believe the Carp issue will be resolved because of his potential return date. So, that takes us down to 3 spots that need to be resolved probably before June. As the original topic was how long can you justify keeping McClellan in the bigs, that means you will have to DFA or trade one of Looper, Wellemeyer, Springer, Pineiro after demoting Thompson in order to keep Reyes. I’m okay with that if you can help me identify how to resolve it.
Mulder will be ready within the next few weeks, which probably prohibits the ability for the Cards to trade someone before then. I can say that Clement may be far enough out, but once his rehab is complete you have to do something with him (i.e. DFA, bring him up, trade him). I don’t know what to expect of either of them, but that makes it more difficult to trade them, doesn’t it?
In addition, do you want to make a trade based on what you think you might have in one of these returning pitchers? Demoting those with options at least allows you to identify what you have before making decisions that can’t be taken back, doesn’t it? What do you think?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Optioning the ones that can be optioned makes sense on a certain level.
But I happen to think some of our younger pitchers have problems because of the back and forth to Memphis and the back and forth between roles. And Duncan ain’t never going to be happy with Reyes. Why even bother to keep him?
etp_stl, I love ya, man…...but you keep baiting me. Please. It’s making hard for me to stop. I’m just gonna quietly step away from the computer, and no one will get hurt.
You have a nice night.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, jills, ...
I always enjoy the discussions. I actually wasn’t trying to get a pro/con Reyes thing going, but more of a general “What do we do now?” type of discussion. I think I’m going to move this over to a fanpost.
Have a good night, as well.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a certain level, the players shoudl be professional enough
to understand the back and forth to Memphis. Reyes is from CA after all—he would have been in high school during Mulder’s glory days. I think he should be able to understand being sent to memphis for him, particularly if he’s struggling a lot.
Now, he’s not struggling right now, and I thnk the best solution is to get rid of Villone/Flores rather than him. But he is optionable, and if the team is going to prepare for the futre, they should probably put some effort into seeing which of the FA guys they want to keep around. Also, I wouldn’t expect everyone to finish the season uninjured.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. They should be professional. Mr. Reyes has always behaved in a professional manner.
Now maybe they should show him the same courtesy. Maybe if they want him to be valueable in a trade, they will treat him as a valueable asset. He has made a lot of progress, his worst outings have been manageable, his best ones have been electric. I think he learned a lot last year. I think he doesn’t want a repeat, and I think he’s put in the work to make sure that doesn’t happen. Right now is the time to commit to him on your team, or just go ahead and cut ties. It’s a scary proposition for the Cardinals, because they could get burned If they would have handled his situation in a professional way from the start, it would never have come to this.
It should be easy to trade him-scouts show up. They wouldn’t waste their time if they already didn’t like something about him. But no AAA for him.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fighting it.
I …. want …. to …. ask …. question …. but …........... NO. Whew. That was tough. Take care.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never offend me ...
I think you are usually 99% right … I value your opinion over 95% of those every posted around here …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flores actually has 2 options left also
but he’d have to pass through waivers due to having 3+ years of MLB service time. Brian walton at the birdhouse covered this in depth this off-season… FWIW Thompson will have to be sent down this month or he’ll have to be passed through waivers as well, and TJ has to be sent down before Sep 2nd.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on Apr 21, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, ...
that makes it sound pretty likely that Thompson will be the guy sent out when Springer comes back. I don’t think you could guarantee he would make it through waivers without a claim. The same can probably be said about Flores, and I don’t think the Cards want to just give either guy away.
by etp_stl on Apr 21, 2008 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I wouldnt be upset if ARey went to Memphis, as he would still be a part of the organization. I see Villone/Flores as expendable, but not both. Loop and Pineiro go if the Cavalry can come in strong. McClellan has options as well, but I’d like to see him all year with the big club.
We still have a problem, but it seems like a good problem to have.
This is why I’m not a ML GM.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not picking on Reyes
Just being realistic given TLR and Duncan’s attitude and opinion of Reyes I don’t think he’ll be around long.
by sbentley on Apr 20, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates
I just wanted to say the Pirates are awful! Probably worse than San Fran, as I would say San Fran has better pitching.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 20, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only thing
that can stop the Giants D from turning a double play is the pitcher.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
When you have a lineup full of guys that hit ground balls, a good defense will do that.
Bench Skippy, start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on Apr 20, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
pitching to contact works then.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least...
when teams field a lineup full of guys with no power. Unfortunately for the pitch to contact theory, only a few major league teams seem to do that.
The team basically has 4 guys with power. Duncan, Pujols, Ludwick and Ankiel. It’s bad enough when he sits one of them, but in this game he sat 2 of them. It’s like he gave away the game.
Bench Skippy, start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on Apr 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I assume you mean right now.
Cuz otherwise I’d have to consider Glaus a power hitter. Am I missing something?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is bocock just playing really, really close to the 2b bag? Or does he just have crazy range?
Thta’ts about the tenth hit up the middle that I though was a hit off of the bat, but instead became an easy grounder to 1B
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a terrible feeling that these past 2 games
will be the beginning of a downward spiral for this team. I hope i’m just being a pessimist.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me too
as far as you hoping you’re just being pessimistic. I think we will pull out of this. I dont think there’s a team in history to win EVERY series they played in during the season. We’ll be fine.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side...
Mulder had an effective outing at AA, not giving up any runs, however he also only struck out one and wasn’t throwing very hard, so that’s discouraging. But hell, anything is better than Looper right?
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the problem with looking at two games.
Yesterday was just getting beaten by a good pitcher. Pineiro was respectable (hell, it was a quality start), but sometimes you’ll just get whipped. Today is a stinker, and sometimes that happens, too. We have all been surprised that we haven’t experienced a starting outting like this, yet. Now if we do the same thing tomorrow …
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess i'm just discouraged by the fact that it's the Giants who are kicking our butts again
and the Cubs put up 13+ runs two straight days.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not exactly giddy, either.
I am apprehensive, but I still look at yesterday as one to throw out.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
recency bias
I look at the last 10 games to gauge trends.
by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Cards should be ashamed of themselves
being shut out two games in a row by the Los Gigantes is flat out embarrassing. i can see not getting much against Timmy yesterday, that kid is awesome. but this game today is embarrassing.
no tip of the cap to the pitcher today, the O just flat out sucked.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Apr 20, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
way to jinx it
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Tony for this game...(and yesterdays)
Having a lineup full of scrappy singles hitters (Skippy, Barton, Miles, Molina) and guys who just plain aren’t hitting (Glaus, Miles) is not a way to score a lot of runs.
Similarly, while they probably would have been shut out yesterday anyway, Pineiro is clearly not ready to pitch. He’s not fooling anyone, any team other than the Giants would have shelled him. But they had to rush him up to the majors before he was fully rehabbed
Bench Skippy, start Ludwick
by DiscoJer on Apr 20, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus has two 2Bs.
How is he one of the problems?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is it Tony's fault?
he works with what Mozeliak gave him. If you want to blame someone, blame Jocketty, for leaving Mozeliak with all these slap hitters (Although Mozeliak gets the blame for Izturis)
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who resiged Miles?
MO.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Apr 20, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he had to take what he could get because of the mess Jock left him
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry,
but that just does not make any sence to me.
Walt had nothing to do with MO resigning Miles. if anyone did, it was Tony.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Apr 20, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Glaus
time to man up!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well there you go Santa
the shut out is over. about freaking time.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jWell, at least no more shutout
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus' 2b
and 4 total bases, this game should be taken as a positive if it means he’s out of his slump.
by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing can make this game a positive
i’m sorry…but we get our butts kicked by the freaking Giants
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a completely sh*tty game ...
I hope this is not a sign of things to come … not a very good game to go into MIL with … let’s bounce back , guys …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
better late than never
at least they are going down swinging.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Apr 20, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, Washington got a hit...
that means TLR has an excuse to use him over Ryan now for the next 10 games.
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost posted the same thing ...
but didn’t want to over do it, since I ranted this morning … but I still miffed about the whole thing …
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rehab
how about letting him finish his rehab before you criticize TLR for not using him.
Unless, you’re talking about Luddy.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Apr 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just being a smartass, sorry
boo cubs, hooray beer
by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ryan starts at SS by June
the one constant through our winning and losing and today has been Iz2’s poor offense.
If Ryan shows he can glove it, which he hasn’t been doing during his rehab, there is no way Tony can’t start him – even Tony.
by enoscountry on Apr 20, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cesar Izturis
His defense still does not make up for his offense. That bottom half of the lineup is just so terribly brutal that unless the Top 5 are having great days, we will struggle to score runs.
Cesar has got to go. Can Skippy play SS?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You've got to be kidding ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry ... I really didn't think you were being serious ...
My comment was tongue-in-cheek … experimenting with Skip at SS seems a little silly when we have a proven SS in re-hab and days away … read Bernie’s updated on Brendan’s fieldling capabilities in this morning’s P-D … also, I’m sure Tony is going to kick his prized little toy Izturis out of his gig to start an OF at SS … it just isn’t going to happen and seems like wasted discussion … but that’s just my opinion … didn’t and still don’t mean to be mean …
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 21, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip DID play the IF in college
It would be a bit of a help to have him spell the regular guys every onc ei a while.
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by Valatan on Apr 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Skip's bat would be exceptional for a MIF
if he could provide what he does from SS, the offense would be worth more than a few more runs over the length of the season.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
I would assume he would give away a fair number of runs as a SS as well, though, based on his defense.
by holden on Apr 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skippy has 'quicks' and is probably faster than Izturis
but Tony will be the first to tell you that Skippy won’t be near as smooth with the glove out there, nor can he glide nearly as well.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis is going to have to provide something soon.
Otherwise, you’re right. You can’t justify this guy’s bat. I can’t believe that he will continue to be able to put up anywhere near a .350 OBP when he never gets a hit. There is clearly a black hole at that spot in the lineup, right now. I wish we could take one of those OFs and move them into the IF. I’m afraid that would be asking an awful lot of Skip to make that move. The guy hasn’t even seen an hot shot ground ball or turned a DP in years. That would be an hell of an in-season adjustment, don’t you think?
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if it's been said
We might’ve lost one, but hey, we lost our first series on April 20th. Who would’ve predicted that, eh?
Rasmus or bust.
by Zoop on Apr 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
like this happened during the So Taguchi era, did it?
by liam on Apr 20, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And they tell us ...
that it is us ignorant hicks from the sticks that are the most biggoted. Unbelievable. I am certainly not for censorship, but it amazes that some people have no moral code that they choose to live by. I can’t believe the vendor had the audacity to try to exhonerate himself with the “I’m making money off of it” line. Way to be accountable.
by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a hand it to
Fukudome, he handled it very well.
by brindled on Apr 20, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible silver lining?
The pitching matchups we were up against in the 7 games vs. the Giants went:
Correia
Zito
Cain
Lincecum
Cain
Lincecum
Sanchez
Based only on those matchups, you’d probably guess that the most likely scenario would be that we would win three (Correia, Zito, Sanchez) and lose four (Cain x2, Lincecum x2). Although we managed to win the two games that Cain started, we gave away two against the “other” pitchers. You could almost consider it breaking even against the pitching lineup. The complete lack of offense for the last two games was a little disheartening, but all-in-all where wins and losses are concerned, we did about what I expected before the games.
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by Mr Redbird on Apr 20, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good observation ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 21, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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