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A Special Start (+ Game 19 open thread)

Sanchez Looper
0-1, 6.00 3-0, 2.70

I suppose the best thing about Pineiro’s start yesterday was that he was able to keep the ball down – getting 14 ground balls to 9 fly balls w/ 3 line drives. He was hit harder in his first start, of course, managing just 8 ground balls to 8 fly balls and 5 line drives. Aside from that, though, it wasn’t a well-pitched game. Once again, he had no K’s. He did have just one walk, but for the season, 10 IP, he has yet to strike anyone out – not a good sign. Out of the 157 pitches he’s thrown in 2 games, he’s only had 9 swing-and-misses. (Wellemeyer’s averaging 10.5 per start so far this year) According to fangraphs, his velocity isn’t lacking – he’s averaging 90.6 in his 2 starts – and he was at 90.8 last year. It must be location that’s a problem, though he only has 1 BB so far. Hopefully, he’ll round into form as he pitches. He really didn’t have much of a spring. Tony doesn’t seem to be worried. I’ll agree that it’s still a little early to be concerned. From the other side, the Giants can’t hit but that Lincecum’s pretty good.

This just in – Albert Pujols, too, is pretty good. He may be off to his best start yet, also. He has 75 PA’s so far and has reached base via walk or hit in 37 of them – a .493 OBP. His career SLG is .620 and this year he’s off to a .644 start. His OPS+ right now is 203. It’s almost gone unnoticed, also, considering Ankiel’s start, and Skip’s and Ludwick’s and Wellemeyer’s, etc. Other players have given us so many pleasant surprises that Albert’s great start hasn’t really appeared that great.

Albert’s reached base in every game this season – even the one in which he didn’t start and he had just 1 PA (intentional walk). He strikes me as, paradoxically, more patient and yet more aggressive at the plate. He seems to have reached a Bondsian grasp of the strike zone, to which his 16 BB’s and 5 K’s attest. But he also seems to be more aggressively attacking pitches to hit early in the count.

Last season, Albert swung at only 83 of the 353 first-pitch strikes he saw – 23.5%. This was an uncharacteristically low number for him. This season he has swung at 13 of 37 first pitch strikes –35% -- more in line w/ his ’06 and ’05 numbers. Here are his career totals:

YEARSWINGSSTRIKES%
200117736348%
200216637044%
200318037048%
200417239343%
200514136738%
200612032337%
20078335324%
2008133735%

It stands to reason that the number of strikes Pujols has seen has fallen throughout his career. He’s become one of the most feared hitters in the game and pitchers don’t want to just serve them up. It also stands to reason that he would be swinging at a lower % of first-pitch strikes as well. He’s become a more patient hitter, as demonstrated by his increasing walk rate. Last year, however, there was a big difference in his approach. He let 270 first-pitch strikes go by w/o pulling the trigger. He also had the worst (by his standards) season of his career. This year he seems to be back on track. He’s looking for his pitch to hit and, when he sees it, he’s hitting it. When they don’t give him the pitch he wants, he’s willing to take the walk.

Just to get a glimpse of how well he’s beginning this season, his OBP is far and away the highest of his career – 54 points over his previous career high in 2003. He’s on a pace for 144 BB’s and only 45 K’s. Those truly are Bondsian numbers. I’m not sure he can continue this pace throughout the season. The other hitters in the lineup are likely to slump and he may put more pressure on himself to produce, thus swinging at bad pitches. I, for one, hope he can keep it up. He doesn’t seem to be swinging at any bad pitches and when he sees one he likes, he’s drilling it.

Isn’t it time, considering all we’ve learned about the importance of on-base percentage over the last several years, that we stop saying things like, "Pujols was 0 for 3 w/ a walk yesterday?" It’s time we started calling that 1 for 4. The second game of the year Pujols was 2 for 2 and walked 3 times. That’s 5 for 5 in my book. Anybody gets on base 5 times in a game needs to be recognized for it…period. He had a 4-5 game against Houston (2 HR’s) and a 4-6 game in SF. He had 1 hit and 5 BB’s in the 3 game series against the Nats earlier in the season – a sweep, by the way. Most would say he was 1-7 in that series. I would say he was 6-12. There’s a huge difference in perception and the 6-12 number is, IMO, a better indicator of his importance to the offense in that series. The Cards didn’t win 3 DESPITE Pujols going 1-7. They swept the Nats partly BECAUSE he went 6-12.

Looper goes for the Cards today against a guy I want to see pitch – Jonathan Sanchez. Looper’s been pretty good so far (2.70 ERA) but those 5 BB’s last time out concern me. He still has yet to give up a homer this year though (knock on wood) and as long as he keeps the ball in the yard, he’s going to be OK. Some teams may single him to death but he’ll have more good starts than bad if he doesn’t give up the homers. It’s not as if he’s facing the ’27 Yankees today either. We haven’t lost a series yet. Let’s see that trend continue today.

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I agree wholeheartedly with re-valuing plate appearances

We did sweep the Nats b/c Pujols was on-base six times in twelve plate appearances. However, he did only score one run in that series to go with 0 HR and 0 RBI. So, while he reached base six times, the team did not drive him home.

Don’t you think that our expectations for Pujols are so high and that he so consistently meets them that it’s nothing to rant about here on VEB? Compared to the OF explosion which few saw coming and has been such a pleasant surprise as well as the starting pitching. I think these unexpected happenings peak our interest more than Albert Pujols raking since that’s what Albert Pujols does, and he does it better than anyone. (Thank God he wears the Bird-on-Bat.)

by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Somewhat Agree

I agree that getting On Base is extremely important and can be undervalue by some but a walk is not as good as a single. You don’t drive in runs when you walk.

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 20, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Not to quibble

But, you can get an RBI when you walk. A walk with the bases loaded gives a player credit for an RBI, even if the run was not “batted in.”

by bgh on Apr 20, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

True-ish

Like bgh said, it’s not impossible to get an RBI when you walk.

But the real point is that he doesn’t make outs. You only get three of those per inning, so a hitter that only makes one a little more than half the time is scarily valuable.

by mojowo11 on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A walk also...

doesn’t lead to double plays. D.GOOCH

-- GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on Apr 20, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree they ought to take a look at that.

‘Tis true you don’t drive in runs with walks, except you do if the bases are loaded. But you also can’t score if you don’t get on base.

Some observations around the rest of the baseball world…..

Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball. Alex Rodriguiz is close, but Albert is better.

Kurt Suzuki is batting leadoff for the A’s. He’s a catcher. Has that ever happened before?

A lot of those no names the A’s got for their names are performing quite well. Pitcher Dana Eveland has been the best.

The VEB’er who wanted Carlos Quentin appears to be right—I’ve seen him on my cable-he’s a gamer and he looks to be a nice player.

Chipper Jones is coming off a 2007 season where he contended for a batting tile. 2008 is looking like a repeat.

I thought the Nationals would be better, and the Marlins would be worse. Shows what I know…...

Kyle Farnsworth should be suspended for more than 3 games. Threw a pitch behind a batter’s head. It was Manny Ramirez, who didn’t see it. BEHIND HIS HEAD! Unacceptable….

Nate McLouth-Did anyone see that coming?

From the files of not giving up on struggling young pitchers-the Angels have been rewarded for sticking with Ervin Santana. He’s pitching quite well for them so far this year when they really need him. The Angels always did believe in his talent, even when he wasn’t getting results. They have been rewarded. Ditto for Joe Saunders, another pitcher they stuck with…there’s a lesson there for someone.

Derrek Lee has been pretty much carrying the Cubs on his shoulders. Yes, he’s a Cub….but he’s one of the good guys in baseball, so kudos to Derrek.

Detroit. Ugh. Looks like they’re headed for a year where everything that could go wrong will go wrong. Except now they have no farm system and no payroll wiggle room. Things could get ugly in a hurry…..

I wonder how much Seattle likes that Bedard deal now?

Baltimore and Kansas City-who knew? I know it won’t last, but it’s good that their fans have something to cheer about.

Surprised that the Dodgers haven’t done better and surprised by how much the Diamondback hitters seemed to have improved.

That’s all, folks! Happy Sunday…

Hey, we due for a 10 run Sunday?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I cry alittle inside

when I think about how we didn’t get Carlos Quentin.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Kendall used to leadoff for the Pirates

Before he broke his ankle, Jason Kendall was the everyday leadoff hitter for the Pirates.

by indakind on Apr 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My first reaction was....Jason Kendall COULD hit?

I remember, vaguely, that he used to be a good hitter. I was unaware that he batted leadoff though…..it is unusual, though….

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know

if I was the first to argue for Carlos Quentin, but nearly every trade proposal I tossed out there for awhile included him in some capacity. In spite of our own outfield’s tremendous start to the season, it still kills me to know that he was just sitting there, nearly free for the taking.

But, as long as CrabMan and co. keep it up, it’ll at least take the edge off.

All your failures are just training grounds.

by the red baron on Apr 20, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just remember his name came up a lot last summer.

He had the first rate talent label with the stamp of underachiever. But it appears to have been injury related. I don’t think he’ll be a star, but he looks like he’s going to be a solid major leaguer for years to come. Kudos to the White Sox for taking a chance on him..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

he’s a gamer

A non-white gamer??? HERESY!!!! Quentin has way too much power/minor league track record, is way too big and way too not-white to be a gamer.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 20, 2008 12:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not heresy......he plays out there every bit as hard as bonafide white guy gamer

Nick Swisher. That should not be reserved for only white guys because it’s not true that it could be only white guys. Griffey,jr. Phillips, Rollins, Pujols, A Rod, Jeter, Cameron-those guys go all out every time they are on the field.

You are being tongue in cheek, though. It upsets me how sportwriters toss around words like grit, scrappy, gamer….it’s a lazy way to write a story, and it ain’t just the white guys who play that way…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh, thanks for that!

I’m reading that and laughing out loud! Hysterically funny…......the Pedro stuff killed me, especially because I always considered that crafty sum beetch as a gamer….

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think John Stearns and John Wathan

both batted leadoff at points in their career.

by houstoncardinal on Apr 20, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I did not know that.

You learn something everyday here! Thank you.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh, and no one mentioned that the Blue Jays released

Frank Thomas the day after he complained about being benched. He is hitting sub-.200 but he also has 3 HR and 11 RBIs.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Well....I'm surprised to hear that.

That is a very productive low batting average….surely points out that the BA doesn’t tell anywhere close to true worth of a hitter…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Business decision

the Blue Jays most likely felt that Thomas would justify a $10 million in 2009. His contract had a vesting option which kicked in with only 304 more plate appearances. The team chemistry impact of Thomas not playing and being upset (justifiable or not) was probably also considered in making the decision to release him.

by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yep.....better way to spend money. We'll see.

If I were them, I’d take that money and give it to Mr. Halliday and Mr. Burnett. Those two are more important going forward than Frank Thomas, IMO.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

their offense is now officially

horrible… there’s only one guy on that team right now (rios) who is likely to slug over .500. Wells and Hill have an outside chance, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Wonder if they need a left-handed DH/first baseman?

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Surely you kid.....

Mr. LaRussa would not send his favorite step child to play with that terrible, horrible, no good Scott Rolen. Would he?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thomas, Ott, Ruth, Williams.... Pujols

Interesting end to the article:

“With a career average of .302, Thomas is one of four players in baseball history to record at least a .300 average, 500 home runs, 1,500 RBIs, 1,000 runs and 1,500 walks. The others are Mel Ott, Babe Ruth and Ted Williams.”

If Thomas can latch on this year and get semi-regular playing time, he can easily pass the 1,500 runs threshhold, too. He’s 26 runs away. The .300, 500, 1500, 1500, 1500 “club” stays the same: Ott, Ruth, Williams. However, if he does prolong his career, his BA might be in danger of dropping below .300. Roughly 400 at bats at .250 would drag his average below .300.

If Albert stays healthy (even should there be a season lost recovering from TJ surgery and there is some decline due to age), he can make all of these levels in his mid thirties, but 1500 walks will be later, even at a new level of 100 walks per year. I won’t go through the math lest I anger the baseball gods …..

Albert Pujols’ baseball-reference page, leaders pages, etc., is definitely a favorite distraction…..

by ncgostl on Apr 20, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed on El Hombre/Marty Mason?

I’ve always appreciated El Hombre’s self-less approach. He does whatever it takes to win. He will take a walk (sometimes the opposing team doesn’t give him the choice). He will drive in runners in different ways, and not just by hitting the glamour HR. I think his approach contrasts sharply to Sammy and Dunn who are feast and famine types, who don’t think about anything but HRs.

On a completely different note… I don’t hear much about Marty Mason as Dunc usually gets most of the credit/blame and attention on pitching. How much credit should Marty get for the solid bullpen since 2000? Does Dunc also work with the bullpen or are their roles fairly well-defined?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Apr 20, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Some sportswriter, I think maybe Gammons?

once said that Pujols burns with the need to prove how great he is every day. And now that he’s accepted as a great all-around hitter (avg, power, OBP) in the Manny/ARod/Junior mold, I’ll bet Albert still wants to prove that he can literally do it all in baseball. He probably would like to be the acknowledged best bunter/situational hitter/base stealer as well.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 20, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Marty Mason

I don’t know much about him, but you can see him working on mechanics with the pitchers in the bullpen a lot. The broadcasters were talking about him the other day, how he’ll probably be a good pitching coach for a team someday.

by liam on Apr 20, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

On Pujols - any ideas why?

Why is Pujols doing better this year? Was he “more unhealthy” than usual last year? Do you think this is something he worked on this winter?

by sdrone on Apr 20, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Last year

He had issues with his legs.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It seems like, ...

from the above post, that he changed his approach some last year, as well. It would appear that he went for a less aggressive approach at the plate (re: the lower percentage of 1st pitch swings). It seems like he has decided that the approach was flawed, and he has returned to his more aggressive approach. What do you guys think?

by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What do you guys think about

picking up Tony Graffanino as the Spezio-esque super sub?

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

we already have

Aaron Miles, Brendan Ryan, and D’Angelo Jimenez at AAA. Why do we need him?

by houstoncardinal on Apr 20, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

because in my opinion

he is much better than Miles and Jiminez and Bernie, Goold and Leach have all stated that TLR seemingly has an unwillingness to bring Ryan back when he’s healthy.

boo cubs, hooray beer

by Raconteur on Apr 20, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know about the rest of you ...

but Tony’s attitude toward Brendan Ryan is really pissing me off … get over it Tony … the kid can play … LET HIM PLAY!!!! ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

if by play you mean...

Swinging at sliders before they leave the pitchers hand and going 0-5 with 2 strike outs against double A pitching. Then yes. Ryan can play.

Ryan would have made the team out of spring training if it wasnt for injury. Once he gets his game back up to level it was at the end of spring training he’ll be back with the major league club. He has only looked good in 1 game in his rehab start. And that was a game when Memphis put up 20 runs agains the pitcher.

Ryan will be back on the team. But right now he doesn’t look ready.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't even know how to respond to that......

Those are almost verbatim words out of Mr. LaRussa mouth, according to things Goold and Matthew Leach wrote…...

He has a problem with Ryan; it’s been reported as such. He should be evaluated-fairly-at the end of his rehab assignment. Not this minute. At the end of the assignment. Mr. LaRussa needs to stop implying that he’s not good enough RIGHT NOW! It is not helpful to the organization. Period.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

according to Leach.
TLR said some things today about how it’s not guaranteed that Brendan Ryan won’t be optioned once he’s healthy, but honestly… there’s pretty much no way he’s not on the roster once his rehab finishes.

Leach seems to think that Ryan will back it back on the roster once his rehab finishes.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, Mr. Leach thinks that.

That’s NOT what Mr. LaRussa is saying…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This whole thing is pretty silly

I’m not sure if Ryan’s ready or not, or really what Tony says about Ryan. Is Ryan better than Rico? Yes. Would he be better today, whether he’s “ready” or not? Unquestionably. Ryan can play 3 positions to Rico’s 1 and Rico doesn’t play that one well. I was hoping Rico would hit reasonably well when he was called up but he just hasn’t. Right now, he’s wasting a roster spot and it’s time to call Ryan up.

by houstoncardinal on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1 ... It's like he's not being given a fair chance ...

I say: 1) Ryan’s numbers from the end of last year, 2) his very good ST, 3) his decent numbers during rehab (yes, you have to include his one big game as well as his couple of 0-5’s) and 4) his upside (the kid can be explosive … he makes things happen) ... all of this adds up to HE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING SLAMMED BY TONY … let him finish his re-hab … but to bad-mouth him during this re-hab really annoys me … he should have earned much more respect than that …

And when you have Rico batting .118, and killing rallies (though he has been good in the field, I’ll grant him that), it only adds injury to the insult …

By the way … I didn’t say he belongs on the team right this second … though he certainly could be … consider this:

MLB Career: .289/.347/.406/.763
5 Game Rehab: .304/.333/.565/.889

What I did say is that he plays well enough that he doesn’t deserve Tony’s bad attitude and disparaging public statements about him … He’s an exciting young player, and he’s good enough to be on this team when his re-hab is over …

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

rico hasn't been good in the field

he cost us the game in SF last sunday by missing a routine 2-out grounder, leading to a big inning.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 20, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're right about that ...

But I was trying to throw the guy a bone … I don’t dis-like Rico or anything … I just think Ryan deserves to be in the team right now (or after his re-hab) istead of him … and, I think it’s obvious … especially given the middle infield’s struggles … but, I didn’t want to seem like Rico is a piece of crap, because he has done some nice things in the field …

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 20, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rico

I dislike him greatly, everytime I hear his name spoken by the commentators it makes me wish I could punch him in the face

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Stop. Just stop.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ha

sorry mom

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

by showmejoe on Apr 20, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And there is the rub

Ryan fills the most pressing need of the club infield depth. If the team is taking their time to make sure his rehab is complete it is incongruous to the way they are rushing back rehabing pitchers and outfielders (to a mild degree Duncan after the first series).

I understand that these other players are guys who basically had a guaranteed spot, but if there is no one else bocking Ryan (and Rico, though admirable does not fit this category) then it doesn’t make sense relative to the other decisions made by the club so far this year.

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the club has stated

That they wanted to see how his injury reacts to colder weather. Which is why they moved him up north to springfield. He has also not been very sharp in his rehab. He has a couple of errors and a lot of 0-for days. He has had 1 really good day on thursday. He went 4-5 with a HR. But he followed that up with an 0-5 with 2 strike outs.

I; too; wish they would have given Joel a few starts in the minors. But i guess facing the Giants is close enough to facing an AAA team.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's why ...

I don’t see them really keeping Ryan down when he is ready. Mozeliak has already shown that he is not going to allow personal issues to get in the way of the best roster. I can’t see how Ryan gets held down while Rico clearly seems to be overmatched in the field and at the plate.

by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Okay. We have all of those guys. But Graffinino is a much better player than

Miles and Jimenez. And how will we ever know if Ryan’s the right guy? He annoys our $8 million dollar manager…...we don’t pay him enough to have to put up with an annoying player, do we? (snark)......

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He's better than Miles

but not Ryan. His career OBP is .336 and he’s played SS exactly 11 games in 4 years. How will adding Graffanino help us learn if Ryan is the right guy? The last thing we need is ANOTHER super-sub utility infielder guy.

by houstoncardinal on Apr 20, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I almost feel like mentioning Ryan as an option

is like mentioning The Hoff as an option: pretty much not an option unless and extreme circumstance.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I know. But the manager doesn't seem to think much of Ryan.

I’m just wondering if Mr.Mozeliak is going to pull a Reyes with Ryan, and force him onto the roster wheter the manager wants him or not. Because it is in the organizations long term interest to get a true read of his talent. Hoff’s too. I’m not really for Graffanino…....I just think if it’s not Ryan or Hoff, I’d rather have him than Miles. He’s a better all around player than Miles. We have Miles for the year. So they won’t be adding him anyway.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My read on TLR's comments

is that Ryan is not a proven major leaguer coming off an injury and therefore guaranteed elevation to the big leagues once his rehab assignment is complete. One game doesn’t prove Ryan is ready to go day in day out.

Give the rehab process time and if all goes as planned Ryan will be promoted. If he suffers a set back, he will not be promoted, therefore his promotion isn’t guaranteed.

TLR was imho responding to a question like “When will Ryan be back with the club?” and TLR probably did not feel comfortable giving a 100% guarantee.

by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I still don't like those kind of comments coming from Mr. LaRussa......

Why not just say….he’s rehabbing now, we will re-evaluate his progress at the end of the assignment. Why not say we’ll call him up when he’s ready. Or Re hab is going well? Or rehab is not going well? Or nothing?

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He did say

that Ryan is rehabbing now and that he will be re evaluated as the assignment progresses. He stressed the things Ryan needs to do to show he is ready to be called up.

by ubeddie on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I know.....I guess he's got a list for Ryan too.......

Because I get the feeling they dwell too much on what players CAN”T do instead of what they CAN do. Sorry, but to me that’s a backwards approach, especially since it only seems to apply to certain players.

Ryan’s another one I’ve been upset about…..I better just stop here.

You all have a nice afternoon.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 20, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That would have been a better answer

But he isn’t a politician. And he isn’t fielding screened questions.

by Evilfrog on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We also know, jills,

that Mr. LaRussa prefers to “motivate” players through the press. I see the situation as analogous to what the Blues and Andy Murray went through this year with David Perron. You see great ability and potential, but it seems like he probably has some growing to do in how he plays the game. I think LaRussa, in his own clumsy way, is attempting to not let Ryan believe he has simply been conceded a spot on the roster.

by etp_stl on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I absolutely oppose that method of motivation.

It is often counter-productive. And it hurts the player with the casual fan. They hear it as LaRussa implying that he’s crap and not good enough.

Do they really want to add Ryan to the list? What if they want to include him in a trade down the road