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Game 17 Open Thread: April 18, 2008

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San Francisco Giants @ St. Louis Cardinals


Cain Wellemeyer
0-1, 3.24 1-0, 4.00

espn.com doesn't often have a worthwhile article, but there's an amusing one up there today which asks: are the giants the worst hitting team of the last 50 years? and if they're not, who is?

they are definitely worst in the nl to date: last in scoring, last in obp, 14th in slugging, 15th in homers. they are 1st in SBs, however.

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Is a 1B of

Rich Aurilia the worst ever?

(Bob Horner as a Cardinal not withstanding.)

by Harknights on Apr 18, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't type that fast

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 18, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kip Wells

Maybe I missed it elsewhere, but did you guys see Baron von Kippington pull off the W in the 22-inning marathon last night in San Diego?

His line:
4 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 3 K, HBP, 53 pitches
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280417125

I found it interesting that 4 non-starters had 3 or more IP in relief. Kipper was the only starter out of those 4. Ledezma for the Padres had 5 IP on 80 pitches. He is a former starter though: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7086

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Start Time

Does anyone know if the start time has officially been pushed back? or are they just playing it by ear?

"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean

by Molina4MVP on Apr 18, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you know? TLR no sugar

Just to point out how dubious I am of FSN’s Do You Know yesterday, LaRussa is a big fan of wine and unless I remember incorrectly,wine is very high in sugar content, no?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 18, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it depends on the wine

Dry reds have very little or none; some of the stuff you can get from wineries around here has a lot.

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just various dubious of the statement

that the man has no sugar in his diet.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 18, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

guess it depends

on what you define as suger? refined sugars? artificial sugars? Yes technically cards would count as sugars at some level as well. I’ll just take away from it that he tries to eat healthy.

by FunkeeC on Apr 18, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

carbs not cards

haha one could debate whether he eats cards or not.

by FunkeeC on Apr 18, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nutritionists correct me

But isn’t any starch/carbohydrate broken down into sugar anyway basically?

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by joker24 on Apr 18, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

which is why i made the point that it could be the type of sugars being referred to. I’m sure natural occuring sugars are in everyone’s diet. It probably is a good idea to avoid the refined ones (high fructose corn syrup anyone?)

by FunkeeC on Apr 18, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you

He’s probably talking about sucrose (table sugar) and HFCS as well, since that’s how the ingredients are listed on food labels.

All starches/sugars are turned into blood glucose.

by silent_bob on Apr 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can one of you guys in the know give me a little info

Can someone tell me the salaries and the years left on Mulder and Carpenter’s contracts…......thanks

Westcoastbirdwatcher

by westcoastbirdwatcher on Apr 18, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heres a link

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/st-louis-cardinals_111971260115041890.html

BTW this took a 2 second google search, couldn’t you of found this yourself

"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you had

left it with your link you would have been seen as helpful. The scold didn’t really add anything except to make you feel superior.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Apr 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your Right

I let one of my own pet peeves influence my response, and I apologize….

"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How does...

the field look at Busch? I heard that the game will probably get in, but since it’s been raining all day…

by Phizzle on Apr 18, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tarp was taken off the field ...

at about 6:15 … the game should start a little after 7:15, and the weather people are saying there’s a window to get the game in …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's per 1380 ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be more amusing...

if they hadn’t split with the Cardinals. And scored the same number of runs, actually (both 21 runs in the 4 game series)

It’s silly to complain about the Cardinals record, but they should have won last night’s game (if not for Skippy) and one of the SF games they lost

Bench Skippy, start Ludwick

by DiscoJer on Apr 18, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon now ...

you can’t hang yesterday’s loss on Skip … he made every effort to get that ball … they were playing to pull, and he blooped it on the line … it happens … he might not have got the best jump; but, when Fielder is up, who breaks IN on the first step? ... it was just bad luck … just like it was good luck when Dunc got that bloop single to win a game recently … just like when Albert just happened to catch that line drive to bail out Izzy’s arse the other day … luck is part of baseball … please get off Skip’s case …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ideal situation

We get three innings into the game and then we have a one hour delay. SF goes to their pen, Cards bring in ARey!

How does that sound to ya’ll?

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather get five in

Don’t want to give the Giants another freebie.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would rather call it after 5

and welly still be under 75 pitches

by tnek5 on Apr 18, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rasmus singles!

A good omen for the night, I hope.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On time start!

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who else finds this no announcers thing oddly refreshing...

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 18, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

steady dose of fastballs from Welle

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fantastic

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer ... K #1 ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is there anyone else...

whom is having audio issues with the game feed or is it just once again terrible service from my cable company in southern arkansas.

by streamman on Apr 18, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got no announcers period

Just the sounds of the game

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

two weeks ago they were playing the games audio feed but were broadcasting mtv2 over the top of it… now I have the game and the crowd noise, but no announcers

by streamman on Apr 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually like this

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 18, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer ... K#2 ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Santana has struck out 8 Phillies

after 4 innings. That’s a free-swinging ballclub.

by effin fisk on Apr 18, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 up

3 down swinging!

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Err… 2 swinging, 1 looking.

I wish I could type a backwards K. >| ?

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ﻼ

almost…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 18, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fun with entities

Some of my favorites: Ѿ ҈

That second one might be good for a swinging strikeout. Kinda looks like a breeze comin’ atcha.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer ... K #3 ...

How bout that kid!

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it would figure

two weeks ago they were playing the games audio feed but were broadcasting mtv2 over the top of it… now I have the game and the crowd noise, but no announcers

by streamman on Apr 18, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i really do hope that welly keeps this up

so we can trade him this summer for a middle infield or pitching prospect…

by tnek5 on Apr 18, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'member when...

The Royals signed Gil Meche to a huge contract and then DFA’d Todd Wellemeyer.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets get a Hit

in the first inning and not worry about this no hitter possibility.

"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the no announcers thing is not a cable company issue

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well earlier in the night I had audio for the commercial breaks and nothing while Al and Dan were previewing. Now I have only the background audio for the game. Which is well enough but if it is all coming across direct tv and local stl feeds then i need to have a serious conversation with my local cable company for a week that had to shut down my cable boxes each night to reset them so i could get the game i was already supposed to be getting, now the audio is screwed up.

by streamman on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice at bat, Skip ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Cain

fears Skip Schumaker.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't ya ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

Just like pitchers seem to fear Izturis this year. I guess they have last year’s scouting report where he swung at everything, so they simply don’t throw him a lot of strikes

Bench Skippy, start Ludwick

by DiscoJer on Apr 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

duncan ripped the shit out of that

atta kid dunc

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunc!!

wanted to see Luddy tonight but that works!

by TxCardFan on Apr 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah ... me too ...

But I hope Dunc makes me eat my words …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunc comes through ...

bad luck on the ground rule double … Skip would have scored …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HR by Albert?

he’s got none at home.

by enoscountry on Apr 18, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i bet he gets walked

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

i was wrong, but he got a rbi i reckon

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RBI for Albert !

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus...

homerun, please.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by sirensofsilence on Apr 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boo

nevermind

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by sirensofsilence on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus

I’m willing him to break out of his slump.

Shananananannanana.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

none of this No Hit, Shutout sh*t ...

from Cain tonight …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there ever a bad time

to break out of a slump?

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dammit

should of had more than one there

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep ... it's a re-curring theme ...

and it keeps costing us … that’s exactly why we lost yesterday …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just want it to be known

Freschetta makes the best frozen pizza out there. This is delicious.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enjoy! ... Bon Appetit (sp) ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nonsense!

Garlic Bread DiGiorno!

Did you know that Freschetta is owned by Schwan’s, which is a very funny truck to see driving around if you speak German.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't say I've had DiGiorno garlic bread

But I tired of DiGiorno pretty quickly, even their cheese-stuffed crust.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how

Pujols gets RBIs even on groundouts

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a smart out

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, none out. A deep fly gets the runner from 3rd in, but doesn’t necessarily get the runner from 2nd to 3rd. A grounder to 2nd, however, moves both runners up one. You definitely can’t say he was doing that on purpose, but it was probably the most productive out he could have made.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can bet he was

trying to hit it behind the runner. La Russa’s teams stress that in ST.

A friend of mine developed a system for measuring that kind of situational hitting: Bases Produced.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

volumes back

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 18, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now, let's get some more K's ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, there goes the perfect game ...

:)

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On K's, anyway ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a loooooong strike ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

that was called earlier

pretty big zone tonight, for once

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got his arse ...

he sure pitched him careful, though …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

K's and Groundouts ...

Can Duncan senior handle it? ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't wait until we get some options ...

to shake up the bottom of this order …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'll second that

it’s like looking at a series of automatic outs.

by RedbirdAvenger on Apr 18, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What bad luck for Izturis ...

almost had a double …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad luck?

Mike Shannon made it sound like a tap-back. Cain make a better play than Shannon let on?

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Missed by inches ... by much less than Bowkers ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed that one.

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by ColinMacLeod on Apr 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In another game

Derek Lowe just took 3 balls of the leg in two innings in Atlanta. I guess that’s one of the problems with throwing so many sinkers and getting so many groundballs.

He’s still in, though.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for those following the braun walk saga

arroyo walked him to load the bases with no outs in Cincinnati tonight. it was his 63rd PA of the year.

Now shifting focus to Joey Votto, whose plate discipline was supposed to be a strong suit…

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 18, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's the first walk ...

I hope he gets away with it …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn ... they bunted with the pitcher ...

coming up ?

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahah

i thought that was the pitcher

man this lineup must be bad

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a high percentage play ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trying for the hit not a sacrifice

n/t

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by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I thought too

The official scorer ruled it a sac.

Something that I’m wary of is the prospect of a speedy runner advancing to 3rd on sac bunts to try to draw throws across the diamond from el Hombre.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me I don't trust offical scorers

Sometimes I think they just go with what should of happened on the play not exactly how it happens. Tradition says a guy bunts with a runner on first it has to be a sacrifice. That or else they just want to help out players Batting Average

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by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looked like a bunt for a hit

Either way, Cain can swing it a bit.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

So far Cain is hitting better than Bocock. Maybe it was the right call.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dan sorry

but two-three weeks does not change what i expect from this team…better but a winning contending team..not me i dont see it..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding

we’re freakin’ 11-5 and some people still can’t help but think we’re still going to suck.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just did a little figgerin'

Suppose we blow this game tonight (don’t want to jinx it)

If we play .500 ball the rest of the way, we’d end up with 83 or 84 wins.

The composite VEB community projection was 78. We’re off to a good start.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not at all what i said

think they are better but I dont expect them to win the WS…im not setting them up to fail. I have more of a wait and see approach..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if u read the history of my comments on this board

im one of the more positive posters..(not that there are a ton of Negative ones)..

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 18, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see it

and thought this team would be much better than expected before the season.

I imagine there’s something to what he’s saying though, that the average fan comes to the park expecting to see a win since the home record is so good.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes thanks liam thats what i meant

if u heard the comments from the game live…what i was reating too…i dont expect the team to dominate every night or win every night…but i have hope, and enjoy watching them they are a fun team to watch

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Apr 18, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dan ... who's Dan???

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two down ... Get'em Welly ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sucked

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sucks

poor luck, bad fielding postion

by TxCardFan on Apr 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well that sucks

freakin’ leadoff walks.

note to wellemeyer: don’t walk the #7 hitter to lead off the inning on four pitches.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to thnk that Frankenstein's control problems

are generated by situations where he’s avoiding throwing strikes/painting the corners. He had Lewis at 0-2, and then none of the three balls were close.

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by Valatan on Apr 18, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good observation ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thinking the same thing

it’s almost like he’s afraid to go after someone and get an out.

or he’s trying to be too sexy with it.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad luck, there ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, that's a toss to first and a finished inning

nine times out of ten

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by Valatan on Apr 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

comebacker to wellemeyer

he was still in his pitching motion. Ball bounces off of his back, and rolls along long enough for the run to score and lewis to reach first

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by Valatan on Apr 18, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was really close

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh

he was safe

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really

replayed clearly showed he was safe.

yadi woulda had ‘em :)

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forgot Yadi wasn't back there today

Just looked it up, base-stealers are 6/8 off Molina this year.

My theory: he’s using the Fezzik strategy of making them think they’re doing well, because he hates to see a basestealer caught disappointed.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought he was out ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

safe??

OK. He was safe on the replay

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by Valatan on Apr 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to stay with it, Adam ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 ...

We are averaging 4.9 runs a game so far … but we should be averaging about 6 … too many LOB … hopefully it will change … we have the talent …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skip's got it going again, doesn't he? ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm really coming around on Skip

His horrendous start is becoming a thing of the past. He’sbeen on base to start an inning twice tonight.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon Cain ... give us some of those walks ...

your famous for …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good at-bat already from Dunc ...

making him work …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at Natty Light

Doing his best Natural impression

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did he get it

YEAH DUNC HOMER

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HOMERUN!!!!!

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where's that penguin guy who hates Dunc?

daydream...i fell asleep amid the flowers

by Raconteur on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The anti-duncan

“Didn’t impress me much, wind was blowing out.”

(Get it? Anti-Duncan? Works on like two levels or some shit.)

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DING-DONG

"because at the end of the day they still are the Chicago Cubs"

by rockin the red on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LIL DUNC!

he says “shut up” to all you haters who wanted to see ludwick.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*shuts up*

Good at-bat against a tough pitcher. Can’t find a single thing to jar off about.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But if Ludwick were playing and hit a homerun, the opposite could be said

Having 5 OF who are all on fire is a great problem to have, no?

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A great problem

I’m looking forward to having 6 or 7 starting pitchers who are all on fire. If we don’t have that already.

by liam on Apr 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1, +1, +1 ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want Lud started over Skip, no Duncan

Skip should be the 4th of due to lack of power.

by DriverZn on Apr 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Once again

The argument could be made for any combination of the three, as they’re all hitting right now. I love Brian Barton so far, but when the guys TLR puts out there do what they’ve been doing, you can’t complain too much when he’s not in the lineup.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, I wish we had the same argument

about the middle infield. Lets hope Mo finds a way to convert an OF into an IF via trade.

by DriverZn on Apr 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha yeah

In the outfield, any 3 of the 5 OF is fine right now. In the infield, any 2 of the 3 is dreadful.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'Haters' ????

I don’t hate Duncan … I just wanted to see a 1.474 OPS behind Albert … not to ‘out there’ ... I love Duncan … watch your language …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No problem ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how long has it been since we've had this many GOOD outfielders? ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its friday

throw those nattys down

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bud Light

Hopefully I Can stay away from the franklins tonight

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by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell do I know ... Tony ...

You just keep to your hunches …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good job, Duncan

Nice at-bat.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How 'bout Back to Back ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

he’s beat the shit out of giants’ pitching so fast.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Calling Glaus' first now

Maybe not this at-bat, but tonight.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll throw my hat in the ring

and say he hits one sometime this weekend.

Big gamble, I know.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn

i thought glaus had his first there

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Braves' play-by-play announcer

“Watch out for those Cardinals in the Central Division. They just keep getting healthier and healthier.”

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yummy

not that we’ve had any injuries. . .

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pitching

is prob what he was referring to

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by ihavebadknees on Apr 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was referring to Pineiro, Mulder, Clement, Carpenter I think

Although a 70% of any of those guys might not be any better than what we’ve got out there right now.

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by Mr Redbird on Apr 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hah

Nice

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about y'all ...

but if I here John Rooney say ‘There’s more wood for the winter fire’ one more time … I’m just gonna puke …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Predicting

A walk-off grand slam, 7 RBI from LaRue tonight. Over/under?

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll take the Under

But I’ll take the over on LaRue being the most white trash looking ball player in the game today

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by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank goodness Molina was running from 1st ...

Anyone else would have scored …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!!!

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I'd Pay good money

to see that, but all three molinas must be involved

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by cyko42 on Apr 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is NO way that was full speed

I think he just decided he was going to settle for third from the crack of the bat.

by Smokin Turkeys on Apr 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big at bat here

come on Welle

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sarcasm?

There’s a bigger bat draped over Miles’ arm.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont get it

i’m talking about how this is a big play in the game.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here comes K #4 ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll take a pop up for out #3, instead ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hah

a foul out

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AWESOME

Kennedy
Larue
Wellemeyer

almost as bad as the giants hitters

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 18, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I predict an 0-15

followed by an absolute TEAR just like Skippy : )

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahem

I called it originally. This is the pre-game show for ghis 7 RBI festivities to follow.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Apr 18, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey hey!

Give him the ball!

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what is up.

skippy tearing it up 2nite.

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High Five!

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by stltrav09 on Apr 18, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LaRue finalllllllllllly gets a hit ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya he's only hitting slap singles

before his two strikeouts, he was .308/.386/.308

that isn’t something that’s going to continue. if you have zero power in your bat pitchers will just groove you fastballs. he’s just not much of a hitter anymore.

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You'd think he would've reconstructed his swing

during the offseason after what happened last year. He’s taken some points from The Science of Hitting to a harmful extreme.

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