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making it last

let’s start with ankiel’s 17-pitch at-bat. it was nearly as long as the brewers’ entire 9th-inning rally (19 pitches); that’s what type of an at-bat it was. the pitch-per-AB data at Baseball-Reference’s playfinder index stretch back 20 years, to 1988. in that entire span, no cardinal hitter ever took a 17-pitch at-bat. the longest lasted 15 pitches: mike deflice against bartolo colon on june 14, 1997 (he walked) and pedro guerrero against don robinson on april 25, 1989 (also walked). another 4 st louis at-bats of the last 20 years lasted 14 pitches (one of them happened last year, rolen vs jake peavy on august 8; he popped out); 7 at-bats lasted 13 pitches.

so we’re talking about an historic event here; rick’s legend grows. here’s the whole list of 13-pitches-or-more at-bats:

datehitterpitcherno pitchesoutcome
apr 16, 2007 ankiel villanueva 17 W
aug 8, 2007 rolen peavy 14 popout 2b
april 16, 2004 mckay wendell 13 groundout 3-1
june 4, 2004 edmonds wa miller 13 K looking
aug 22, 2004 renteria vogelsong 13 homerun
april 2, 2003 renteria rusch 14 K
aug 7, 1998 mcgwire da stevens 13 flyout cf
sept 23, 1998 jordan ra johnson 14 W
june 14, 1997 defelice colon 15 W
sep 13, 1997 da bell erdos 13 K
may 7, 1996 clayton delucia 13 flyout rf
sep 18, 1996 pagnozzi bottenfield 13 popout 2b
sep 2, 1991 pagnozzi ojeda 14 K
april 25, 1989 guerrero do robinson 15 W

i love some of the matchups here. on the one hand you’ve got heavyweight collisions like rolen v peavy and jordan v big unit --- two mean, stubborn guys who’ll be damned if they’re gonna give in. edmonds v wade miller would also fall into this category --- miller was still effective in june 2004 (he got hurt later that year and has never been the same). so would guerrero vs don robinson (the latter was a 230 lb intimidator). you can easily imagine how two badass guys like this would end up in a marathon confrontation. ditto for any pair of evenly matched mediocrities like pagnozzi v bottenfield or clayton v delucia; both parties are always out there grinding away, just trying to survive. but the most intriguing at-bats to me are the mismatches. how does dave stevens (career era 6.02) hang in there for 13 pitches against mcgwire (in the midst of his 70-homer season)? and 10 of the pitches were strikes! he must’ve thrown mcgwire every pitch in his meager arsenal, to every part of the plate, yet somehow he emeged with his head still attached to his body. the mike defelice matchup itself is pretty interesting, a battle of rookies. defelice in 1997 put a .238 / .297 / .331 line; colon (who was only making his 6th big-league start at the time of this at-bat) went 4-7 that year with a 5.65 era. the following year colon was an all-star, and the year after that a top-5 vote-getter in the cy young polling; defelice never got any better than what he was in 1997.

p.s. --- does it mean anything that 4 of these 14 at-bats were taken by catchers? (superior ability to think along w/ the pitch calls and anticipate the pitch?) ok, probably not. but how does cody mckay hang for 13 pitches against any hurler? kinda weird that has at-bat took place 4 years to the day before ankiel's.

alright, enough about that. a few other thoughts this morning:

  • i disagreed w/ the decision to send wainwright back out there in the 8th, and particularly the decision to let him face ryan braun as the potential tying run. adam’s location was way off that inning; he went to 3 balls on the leadoff man before retiring him, then gave up a hit and a walk; when braun stepped in wainwright was at 113 pitches for the game and 19 for the inning. fortunately, it isn’t necessary to throw braun a strike (he has 0 walks this season); he chased a fastball in off the plate and got himself out. tony must not have liked his options; mcclellan was unavailable, and apparently the overused franklin needed the night off too (at least, i never saw him warming up). that left reyes and thompson as the only options. against the top of the order, tony trusted adam more; adam justified the faith.
  • pujols’ catch in the 9th; whew.
  • and speaking of that: was anyone warming up behind izzy? the cutter was not cutting, and his regular fastball wasn’t popping (he only threw three of those all inning). but that’s what makes izzy such an unusual closer --- he can fall back on his 3d-best pitch (curveball), which he did against weeks, to get out of trouble. there’ve been a few troubling signs out of him this spring, but at least he’s throwing strikes --- he wasn’t doing that when the hip was bothering him.
  • the cardinals’ #8 hitters --- ie, pitchers and pinch-hitters --- rank 12th in the league with a .535 ops, ahead of 3 teams (sf, chicago, and atl) who use position players there. the giants’ #8 hitters have struck out more than the cardinals’ have.
  • the cardinals have only reached base via error 3 times this year, tied for last (with the rockies) in the nl. whatever they’ve scored so far, they’ve scored on merit.

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I was gonna bring up Jim Kaat's at-bat

where he fouled off umpteen pitches,but that was probably more than 20 years ago.

by sdrone on Apr 17, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

almost 10% down

and the Cards lead the league in BA/OBP (at .277/.361) and they sit at #3 in OPS+ and walks (at 117 and 64 or 4.25 walks per game)

by silent_bob on Apr 17, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Some other team stats...

Larry mentioned the other day that our outfield was leading the league in OPS (.968 as of Tuesday—in his “5 Questions” answers at Brew Crew Ball).

Through yesterday, our outfield was also leading the NL in most out of zone catches (32) and in zone rating (.963). (Our infield is above average in both…..)

The youth movement in the outfield is a fun part of 2008….

by ncgostl on Apr 17, 2008 10:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

9th place hitting

As a counterpart to our 8th-place hitting stats, our 9th place hitters are only managing a .534 OPS, (or one point worse than our pitchers – thanks to ww) but that ranks us as 4th in the NL.

Ironically, the copycat Brewers are getting far and away the best production, almost entirely from Jason Kendall, with a .917 OPS.

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by taiko on Apr 17, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Closer

As the announcers were musing whether Izzy might be hurt, I got to wondering who Tony would pencil in as the closer if he went on the DL. Anyone else thing they might move Reyes into that spot with the heat he was throwing last night? Or do you go to Franklin?

by sdelek on Apr 17, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I think it would be Reyes

although he hasn’t been given the opportunity to throw on consecutive days though so he’d need to be weened into the spot a little bit. If not him, then McClellan.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 17, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

motte

I think the TLR and Dunc have enough disdain for Reyes they’d probably fight to get Motte promoted from AAA.

by sbentley on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You all know why Mr. Reyes has been pitching?

Scouts have been around specifically to see him pitch. San Francisco, Houston, and St. Louis. Scouts stop showing up, Reyes will not be on the mound. If they think sending him down is a good idea, I’ll tell them they might as well write up his waiver papers. The more they send the message that they don’t want him, the lower the price goes.

Next time a player comes through that’s not a good fit, they should exchange it (QUIETLY) for something that fits.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Damnit, I did it again.......

I apologize to the 1,347,449 VEB folks I’v offended again….I don’t know if there is a delete post button somewhere around here. If you know about it let me know…....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 17, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'm truly suprised

that the gritty eckstein isn’t on that list.

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by _pistol_ on Apr 17, 2008 9:41 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Me too

I bet he has the most 10 or 11 pitch at-bats over the last three years.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 17, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

common misconception

most long at-bats are taken by disciplined sluggers like lankford, rolen, edmonds — guys who a pitcher has to pitch carefully to. against eckstein they can just pound the strike zone. in his 3 years in st louis, he only had 9 at-bats of 10 pitches or more, and only one of 12 pitches or more.

by lboros on Apr 17, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

just to finish the thought

rolen had 11 AB of 10 pitches or more during the same 3 years eckstein was here — and rolen missed the equivalent of an entire season with injuries. jim edmonds had 8 at-bats of 10 pitches or more in 2004 alone.

by lboros on Apr 17, 2008 10:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Interesting

My guess is Fernando Vina might fall into that same common misconception category.

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by That's a Winner on Apr 17, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

IT always seemed like Edmonds and Rolen

would get into a quick 0-2 hole. Edmonds would swing at the first pitch, Rolen would take the first pitch. It was interesting to watch them ‘cause they didn’t appear to even start working until it was 0-1.

by sdrone on Apr 17, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't know about Edmonds

I seem to remember him almost always taking the first pitch as well, or at least as much as he swung. But point taken.

by saladdays on Apr 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As was I

Maybe it was all smoke and mirrors but he seems like a guy who fouls off pitches constantly.

by paposse on Apr 17, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

oners

I think eckstein has more 1 pitch at bats than anyone in baseball.

by redbird2006 on Apr 17, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ankiel not new to double digit ABs

A spring training game on 3/26 saw Rick take ten pitches in his first AB (Guthrie of the Orioles was the pitcher), ending in a walk. Second AB was 6 pitches ending in FO to right and third AB was 7 pitches ending in a single and run scored. We remarked about the total of 23 pitches in three ABs. The other good thing about it last night was that the crowd really appreciated the AB and let him know.

by JPGRFAN on Apr 17, 2008 9:47 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

By the 13th pitch

we realized that something interesting was going on. The cheers just got louder and louder as it went. By the time Ank walked, Villanueva was at 28 pitches and NO OUTS for the inning. I was already certain it was going to be a winner. Thank you to Izzy for making the evening a little more exciting.

by tinstl on Apr 17, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Does that AB qualify as a display of Plate discipline?

The nay sayers who point out Ank can’t hit fourth because of his lack of plate discipline should use that AB as an example of his potential.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Apr 17, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

One AB

does not make him a disciplined hitter. It was a great AB, but it was just one AB. Let’s see how it goes for him.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 17, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I disagree

The kid has the quickest learning curve I have ever seen. Really how can you estimate a ceiling for him as a player?

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by Schnake on Apr 17, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

P/PA

Red Blazer—I don’t want to challenge your statement but just want to raise the general question of what a 17 pitch plate appearance means and whether it says much about discipline…

A disciplined hitter:

a) Does not swing at balls
b) May take some strikes to get the “right pitch”
c) Anything else….?

To get to 17 ptiches in a PA, one has to foul off a ton of pitches (minimum = 11, right, before an outcome on the 17th pitch?). Isn’t fouling off pitches a bit of different skill than being disciplined?

In general, I find P/PA hard to interpret as an aggregated number. Some day we may have statistics breaking down P/PA by balls taken, swinging strikes, fouls, etc. Right now it’s kind of mixed up measure. When someone has a low P/PA, you’d also like to someone capture the outcome—getting hits on first pitches is fine, especially if that is the best pitch to hit, even though it does not tire out the pitcher.

A 17 pitch at bat is an amazing thing, and shows some discipline when it yields a walk. But it mainly shows an ability to “foul off” pitches, right?

The purest test of discipline is some ratio of Balls Taken/Balls Thrown, perhaps adjusted in some way for Strikes Taken/Strikes Thrown to avoid rewarding batters for standing there like a lamp post. In statistics, this like a Type I/Type II error and there is some math for this in an old field called Signal Detection Theory…..

by ncgostl on Apr 17, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Villanueva on the ropes in the first inning

Your post called to mind the Cardinal player who let a struggling Brewer pitcher off the hook in two consecutive games, Troy Glaus. That tells me his slump has gotten into his head. Maybe he needs a few days riding the pines to get his head cleared up.

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Usually is-dumb.
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by BrummerStealsHome on Apr 19, 2008 10:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The cool thing about really

long ABs is that it almost doesn’t matter what the final outcome is. Even if Rick had watched strike 3 go by on pitch 17 he would still have done his job.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 17, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

i would have thought

that more long at bats led to more success, that seems to be the most common thinking anyway. but it appears, at least for our Cardinals long at bats above that that is not the case. in that sample above we only have one hit to go along with 4 walks…

by UNCDubya on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I s’pose it depends on what you consider success. I would think in battles such as those, walks would be just as rewarding

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree completely on Wainwright

I’m starting to get a little concerned about his usage pattern. LaRussa killed Morris and Woody in 2003, the year Izzy was hurt and our bullpen was bad. He clearly doesn’t trust many out there this year and I’m afraid of the workload that’s being heaped on Wainer’s shoulders. I guess I’m more afraid that it’ll continue all season. 2 games w/ high pitch counts aren’t necessarily bad but it may reflect a pattern that he plans to use all season and could have dire consequences for Wainwright and the pitching staff as well.

by houstoncardinal on Apr 17, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Tony's in a tough spot

IMO, with the rotation. He trusts Wagonmaker and he alone to go deep into games. He’s our ace, the guy who spares the ‘pen.

Hopefully Lohse goes 7 strong tonight and with Springer coming back next week, Tony’ll have the depth he craves.

by silent_bob on Apr 17, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

115 to 120 pitches in April is not good

by ridgesee on Apr 17, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was shocked to see Adam going back out for the 8th ...

I would have put Reyes or Thompson out there, probably Thompson (since Reyes had been used the previous night) ... that’s too many pitches this early in the season for Adam … I’m sure he wanted to go back out, but it was clearly a mistake … he was tired … we don’t need Tony to pull a Dusty Baker on us and over-use our best pitching talent … can you say Prior/Woods? ... I hope he shows more restraint on Adam and faith in his bullpen in the future …

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by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

poor rotation planning from the brewers?

We saw neither sheets nor suppan in this series. We play them again right after our next series (against the giants, they play cinci). We should see both sups and sheets in that series. The brewers will be seeing both wainright and lohse in the next series. It seems our pitching matchups are better planned.

by Birds on the Matt on Apr 17, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

they probably weren't setting it for us

they probably want their best pitchers going against the Cubs or some team they expected to be better.

by houstoncardinal on Apr 17, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

opposite of last year?

I distinctly remember going up against teams top pitching all year last year (coming off a WS win will do that to you, I’m sure). Is it possible the opposite is happening this year since everyone thought we were gonna suck? And could that be a partial explanation for our success this year?

by Birds on the Matt on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

next week in Milwaukee

Sheets and Suppan will pitch in Cincinnati (4/18 & 4/19), and won’t likely be available for the Cards next week, either.

by baked mcbride on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Along the line of catchers...

I would imagine that Ricky’s pitching experience might also help him in reading pitchers and thus gaining the advantage to keep an AB going.

On the subject of coincidences, it’s actually not an odd coincidence that McKay’s long AB was on the same date as Ank’s.

There’s a basic explanation of why here, but the short answer is that you have to think about the probability of any 2 of those 17 ABs happening on the same day, and it turns out that for any 14 baseball events, there’s just over a 40% chance that two of them happened on the same day. If we got to 16 long AB’s, it would be an odds-on bet.

by thefutureofamerica on Apr 17, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Take it easy in the morning

Man – I’m getting a late start here and haven’t even finished my first cup of coffee.

I’ll just go ahead and agree with you rather than drying to decipher the equations!

by birdo rojo on Apr 17, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

WOW!

I think I’ll stick to the “daily jumble” for my daily mental exercise.

by ridgesee on Apr 17, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This is the ol'

If there are 25 people in a room, what are the odds that 2 of them share a birthday. It’s about even money.

by tinstl on Apr 17, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

WHAT!?

Are we really discussing historic ‘lengthy at bats’ on the verge of a series sweep? This is really insightful stuff guys. Thanks.

by Dr. Gonzo on Apr 17, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Doctor, again with this?

Look feel free to choose not to read or put up a fanpost of your own analyzing the importance of the impending early season sweep, but how about you not bash the free content that LBoros, Red Baron and Azruavatar work really hard to give us?

I wasn’t able to take in the game last night and found the analysis interesting. Especially given that Ankiel is sometimes thought of as a free swinger. I would think you can get a good “analysis” of the possibility of a sweep over at stltoday or the cardinals homesite. I, for one, come here to get an alternative and refreshing taken.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 17, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

+1,000,000

this is the best Cardinals site on the web, if you dont like what is being written, start your own site. and i dont mean to attack you personally but i have seen multiple comments similar to this lately. the folks that contribute to this site spend a lot of time and energy doing so, and they do it for free, at least, it doesnt cost you anything.

by UNCDubya on Apr 17, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I could be wrong...

But I read that as sarcasm and a way to bring up the sweep into the conversation. Maybe not…I dunno.

by stlfan on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I might have thought that too

except as I recall the good doctor also made similar comments on Monday that there was no preview for the upcoming big series with the Brewers.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 17, 2008 11:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

This is a good example of what a lot of us have been debating furiously.

Does Rick have the plate discipline to hit fourth. We all know he has the power.

"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Apr 17, 2008 11:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gonz...

No knock on you my brother, but the randomness of the conversation on this site is what has me coming back. the 17 pitch at bat was the leading conversation I had with my friends, aside from us getting the win. Anyway, The official Cardinals Website and Post Dispatch both have stories on us going for the sweep.

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by Schnake on Apr 17, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

seriously

if the posts don’t interest you, don’t read them. This site has a very large and seemingly growing following, and I’d wager the large majority of us are amazed by the constant stream of original insights. If it’s not for you, go elsewhere, but don’t take up space complaining you don’t like the topic.

by DCGreg on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

YES

The kid has the quickest learning curve I have ever seen. Really how can you estimate a ceiling for him as a player?

Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....

by Schnake on Apr 17, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

this was supposed to be posted on ankiel and his plate discipline

disregard this…..

I put it up top where it is supposed to be

Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....

by Schnake on Apr 17, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

dude,

take your sarcastic crap and leave this site if you don’t like it.

by eglasier on Apr 17, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey..

C’est la vie. I thought others might agree. I guess not. But if you ask me, Ankiel was just trying to get more camera time.

by Dr. Gonzo on Apr 17, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

If you're a troll

then you are the oddest one I have come across yet.

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by cardzfan24 on Apr 17, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

are you just trolling?

This sort of historical reference and trivia is the essence of many baseball fans. It’s the reason that baseball-reference, the baseball cube, and the like have been so successful.
Look around, trivia isn’t the only thing being discussed here. Feel free to start your own thread. If it’s interesting, you’ll get a good discussion going.

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by _pistol_ on Apr 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just ignore

He is feeding off the fact that so many people are replying. It’s his version of “camera time.”

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by OKCardsfan on Apr 17, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

The internet is a strange, strange place

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bullpen in the Nineth...

There was NO ONE up and throwing in the bullpen in the ninth inning. Even after Isringhausen was on the ropes, everyone was sitting on their hands. I remarked to my buddy that Izzy was going to finish the 9th inning, regardless of whether it was a save, or a tie, or down by 4 runs.

I hate when LaRussa stops managing after the closer comes in.

by tinstl on Apr 17, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Maybe Tony did it right?

By having no one up in the pen, Tony was saying to Izzy…”It’s all on you, WE have faith in your ability”.

Not sure if last week when Izzy blew a save, did they have Reyes warming up behind him? Mind games, sure…. But he got it right.

It’s another W.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 17, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd be interested in seeing that broken down

Under what circumstances has Tony pulled his closer and whether it’s actually different from how other managers roll.

Of course, we’re only allowed to talk about the potential series sweep so we’ll have to leave that for an off-day not preceding a series against a division rival or the bedwetters will get in a snit.

by liam on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sometimes

The reasonable idea is to be in a position to fix the mess you’ve made for yourself.

In an odd sort of way it was kind of reassuring to me. Even if Izzy has junk, he’s still accomplishing. Still early days yet and he doesn’t have many innings in.

by AdjustedExpectations on Apr 17, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Todays lineups

Per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

2B Rickie Weeks
SS J.J. Hardy
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
RF Corey Hart
CF Gabe Gross
C Mike Rivera
3B Craig Counsell
LHP Manny Parra

LF Brian Barton
CF Rick Ankiel
1B Albert Pujols
3B Troy Glaus
RF Ryan Ludwick
C Yadier Molina
2B Aaron Miles
RHP Kyle Lohse
SS Cesar Izturis

by indakind on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Duncan has been hot!

Why set him for Barton? Is Duncan in Tony’s doghouse?

Im just kidding. Im not going to get a chase to watch or listen to the game. And will barely be able to follow it on game day. To much going on at work. I hate afternoon games durring the week.

by Evilfrog on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs