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i usually don’t write on wednesdays, but the red baron is traveling to a funeral today so i’m covering. he lost someone very close; my thoughts are with you, dude.
star of last night’s game goes to kyle mcclellan. he gets out of the 6th-inning jam throwing mostly breaking stuff ---- 8 sliders / curves in 12 pitches. then in the 7th, pitching with the bases empty against the rump of the order, he blows them away with 12 fastballs in 14 pitches. guy’s got some weapons. the cardinal bullpen now sports a league-leading 2.74 era and has allowed just 3 of 18 inherited runners to score. skip schumaker also merits a little mention --- couple of 2-out rbi hits plus a walk. cardinal leadoff men have a .403 on-base percentage so far, mainly thanks to schu (he’s led off 10 of the 14 games); his BB last night was his 7th in 50 plate appearances, or 1 walk fewer than he drew in 188 plate appearances last year. that’s a significant change in his game. his high obp last year was entirely a product of his high batting average, which in turn was mostly a product of (coughluckcough) random chance; small sample size plus high BABIP = fluke. he won’t hit .333 again this year, but if he can walk once every 10 plate appearances he won’t have to; a .275 average will do just fine. insert obligatory caveat here ---- it’s very early, we’re just sizing things up, blah blah blah. based on available evidence, the cardinal leadoff spot --- subject of much discussion and concern all spring --- has been one of the lineup’s strengths.
i can't get excited about kennedy. he's got 0 extra-base hits so far, and no signs of producing one any time soon; he had just 3 (all doubles) in 40 S.T. at-bats. miles doesn't have any XBH either, and izturis only has 2 (both doubles); it's worse than people feared. the middle-infield corps is hitting an aggregate .255 / .342 / .276. well, like we keep saying, it's early . . . . . .
last night’s game may be the answer to a trivia question: when’s the first time in big-league history that neither team batted the pitcher 9th? i asked sean forman of Baseball-Reference.com to do a quick run on his data; he writes back that it hasn’t happened since 1956, the limit of his archive of boxscores (compiled by the invaluable Retrosheet). there are still 50+ years unaccounted for, so it’s possible --- even likely --- that last night’s lineup oddity happened at least once before. here’s a list (sorted by team-season) of every game in which one team didn’t hit the pitcher 9th, going back to 1956. for some reason, there was a spate of pitcher-hitting-other-than-9th lineups in 1957; four different teams (1/4 of the big-league clubs at that time) used one at least once that year, and the kansas city athletics did it on a regular basis (56 games). it won’t surprise you to know that the la russa-led cardinals have batted the pitcher outside the 9 slot more times (146 games) than all other teams since 1956 combined (89 times).
here’s a little more trivia related to the manager: only once in his career has he opened the season with more than 10 wins in his first 14 games. that happened in 1990 in oakland, coming off his first world championship; he led the athletics to an 11-3 start and cruised to his 3d straight pennant. he’s started out 10-4 on three other occasions, including his first two seasons as a manager --- 1980-81 in chicago. the other 10-4 start came in 1992 in oakland. before this year, tony’s best starts in st louis were 9-5 marks in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2005.
and in the non-la-russa trivia category, i bet you didn’t know this: chris carpenter follows the cards via mlb gameday:
Carpenter: Obviously, we’ve been playing hard, been playing well. Seems like there’s a lot of energy. It’s fun to watch. I’ve only got to see a few on TV. Mostly I’ve just been watching on that little computer where the dot comes in - ‘Ball’, ‘Strike’.
Q: Talk about how cool that is …
Carpenter: Fabulous . . . . .
elsewhere on the injured-pitcher beat, mulder threw 5 innings last night for palm beach; according to chuck king (who does a bang-up job covering the FSL), he was topping out at 88 mph. am i the only one who’s dreading this guy’s return to action? he last pitched well in may 2006; i’m sure there are a few examples of guys who regained effectiveness after two full years of alternately getting knifed by surgeons and clubbed by hitters, but i can’t think of one at the moment. he seems so much a part of the team’s past --- and not the glorious part. he’s like one of those old kinda-sorta friends who calls you from time to time; he’s the last person you want to waste your time on, and you cringe every time you hear from him, but at some point you have to go out and have a beer with the guy because it’s too awkward to keep making excuses. that’s mark mulder to me --- don’t wanna hang w/ you anymore, but i know i’m gonna be stuck doing it.
maybe we can sign einar diaz to catch him, just for old time’s sake.
that’s all i got for now. game thread this p.m.
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Kennedy
I have to disagree-the man hit the ball quite hard in 2 of his 3 hits last night. Plus he flashed some major range in the field. He’s obviously showing that the knee affected him last year, IMO.
Miles, OTOH…...meh.
by silent_bob on
Apr 16, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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the stretch on the barton single
was very impressive. i signed up for MLB extra innings recently, and being in Charlotte, NC, most of the cards games wont be blacked out here. at any rate, i was watching last night and was quite impressed when he went from first to third on the barton ground out. he also had the nice defensive play on the grounder up the middle. granted, two plays does not a season make but i was least glad to see him making positive contributions.
by UNCDubya on
Apr 16, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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why are people praising his defense?
He had two awful throws last night … one that almost resulted in a catastrophic injury. He had a throwing error on top of those two early bad throws.
by jeff_abs on
Apr 16, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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kennedy
he also made that ridiculous highlight reel play last week, but i’d exchange that for regularly making routine plays any day.
by spencegrif on
Apr 16, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
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everyone is entitled
to a bad throw every now and then. He’s had… what? 2 or 3 web gems this year already?
Alberts fine, all is well.
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by stltrav09 on
Apr 16, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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Now and then
He had three bad throws last night including an error on one and hurting Pujols on another.
by indakind on
Apr 16, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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But on an uplifting note
......after the throw Pujols said “I’m OK man”...it actually sounded like “man” without the G.
Those kind of throws happen several times a day during the season on every team in every game, its part of the game and Kennedy, for all his other woes, is no worse than any infielder in MLB in that dept.
by cardschinmusic on
Apr 17, 2008 5:59 AM EDT
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who would have thought
That at this point in the season Cesar Izturis is our best MIF option? At least he seems to hit the ball with SOME authority (not often) and he has gotten on base (again, not sure how long that lasts). Cesar can still run—where Kennedy seems to have gotten slower.
I liked the Kennedy signing at the time but, as I’ve said before, he has ZERO life to his game right now. No electricity in his bat, he doesn’t have much running speed anymore, etc. He just looks like he’s gotten old—it happens. I don’t see him becoming a doubles hitter which I thought he would be able to do. He used to be Skip before Skip became Skip.
Re: Skip. Agreed with Lboros. If he hits .270-.280 (which I think he can do) and walks some he will be fine in the leadoff spot. He doesn’t have a ton of pop but he will hit the ball hard and collect quite a few doubles. He doesn’t steal bases but he is a good baserunner and from all accounts a plus defender. Good for him and for us.
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by beanocook on
Apr 16, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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Enough with the Kennedy apologists
Not trying to pick a fight with you here, silent bob, but you’re one of many who seem eager to announce the resurrection of Adam Kennedy, and I just don’t see it. I don’t think I’ve heard/watched a single game this season where Shannon/McLaughlin/Hrabosky didn’t say something to the effect of, “this is the Adam Kennedy we saw with the Angels,” or “he’s back.”
Kennedy hit 13 xtra base hits last season in 279ab, or one every 21ab. 35ab into this season, he doesn’t have a single xtra base hit. That’s a small sample, etc., so I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s worse, but it sure doesn’t suggest he’s any better.
by bgodar on
Apr 16, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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Kennedy is showing a nice glove so far this year.
Mistakes will be made but overall I don’t cringe nearly as much as I did last year everytime a ball was hit his way.
Give him time once he gets more comfortable at the plate maybe the pop will come back. At least he is hitting something.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on
Apr 16, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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As long as he gets on base +.300 he’s fine. Of course he didn’t have great numbers last year, he spent most of it injured.
Now he’s in a platoon situation and when Ryan comes up he’ll have to earn some at bats. In a groundout rotation he’s always been a reasonable glove. (.983 career) .
He’s starting to warm up and hopefully it’ll continue. The issue is two fold. Either we keep him in and let him wind back up, or we bench and place Ryan in his place.
We bench him and he’ll have little to no trade value unless a team suddenly goes in pure desperation. His contract will warrant something as he’s getting a chunk of change.
And if you look before the injury year his numbers are comparable to what Ryan may bring to the table, with slightly less pop. His glove seems to be better.
In the end we shouldn’t base Kennedy off of last year alone, it’s injury based and isn’t directly his fault. If it was the case we’d be seeing griping about Carp, Enc, and others as well. It happens.
But right now if we bench him and barely use him or help his trade value increase, we’re essentially throwing away 10mil.
Kennedy is a product of our farm system, has a reasonable career and shouldn’t be judged on one injury laden year alone.
Not being apologetic, just willing to give him a little more than 14 games before I cut him loose.
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 16, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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MI slg's
i’m still very meh on the subject. if those three guys can finish in the ecksteinesque .340 OBP/.310 SLG range while playing solid defense, i’d accept it. there’s plenty of pop elsewhere in the lineup, especially with a full season of ankiel and ludwick. it was mentioned on this site yesterday (?) that the organization had identified OBP as an area they needed to improve on, so i’m sold on the walk rate improvements and i think a lot of these guys can keep it up the whole season.
glaus needs to start pulling the ball with some authority, though. just about every time i’ve seen him up there he’s struck out.
go cards, o's, and phillies.
...boiler up.
by moboiler on
Apr 16, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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.310 SLG
Where do you get that? Eck’s career avg SLG is .362. With STL he had .395, .344 and .382. If those three can combine for a .340/.360 – OBP/SLG I’d be okay with that…i.e. at least a .700 OPS, as that is probably a conservative projection of what Hoff and Ryan could provide…with no loss on defense.
by cardzfanbub on
Apr 16, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
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i know
that’s why i always thought eck was underrated – it was more based on the impression of him than anything. everyone expects something like that out of him since he’s so tiny, but he does do a little better (although his last two seasons in anaheim he slugged .325 and .332).
unfortunately there’s not a whole lot of reason to expect the MI trio now to do any better than that, so i’m trying to soften the mental blow of having to see that kind of SLG. my main point was that if they can keep the OBPs decent i’ll take than and anything else is gravy.
go cards, o's, and phillies.
...boiler up.
by moboiler on
Apr 16, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
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I haven't seen a lot of hoff
and I’m one of his biggest fans on here, but I’m not convinced that he will provide equivalent defense to Kennedy. Kennedy is better defensively than given credit for being, bad throws and all.
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by SleepyCA on
Apr 16, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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Highly agree
And with the sheer amount of groundouts our staff will produce. That defense is going to equate into a number of runs. Argument applies for Iz as well.. as long as he gets on base at a reasonable click.
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 16, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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I Love McClellan
yeah, I picked him as my surprise breakthrough (total luck)..........brag, brag, brag on myself…....but, I really love young cheap guys that suddenly fill an (any) roster spot with aplomb….......the rewards are never ending
- performance today
- money saved (that can be spent elsewhere)
- positive pressure on the vets to perform
- youthful enthusiasm and new blood in the clubhouse
- trading chips
- guys on the team that are thrilled to be there and not worried about their role or next long term contract
- a spot vacated in the minors that another youngster can shine in
- a shining example to other youngsters that they too can make it
The only downside to a McClellan is the constant fear that his arm will just break down – ala Dennis Dove or a million other young flash in the pan – but its a necessary gamble. The fact that he is local is just icing on the cake.
I firmly believe these youngsters who can find their way onto the team are the real key to our future.
by Hinkster on
Apr 16, 2008 9:40 AM EDT
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MIs, Mulder, batting order
As regards the middle infielders, keep in mind that Ryan is lurking out there. He’s not going to be great, but he will be an improvement on that collective line and he will get some ABs. He’d better; when some of the other guys come back to earth (Molina, Ludwick, and as much as I like Brian Barton, he’s not gonna bat .400 all year), someone will have to pick up the slack.
Re:Mulder: Maybe I’m mistaken, but I don’t think of him as ever having been in the nineties routinely with the fast ball. A lefty who sits around 88, throws nasty off-speed stuff, and puts the ball exactly where he wants it will get people out—anyone else remember the amazing year John Tudor had in 1985? Most beautiful pitching I’ve ever seen, period.
And finally, on batting order: I’m pretty sure that list isn’t complete even for the post-1956 data. The White Sox of the 1960s had a pitcher named Gary Peters who batted higher in the order, not because of rarefied arguments about lineup construction and modeling, but because he was just a better hitter than most of the Hose of the time—which admittedly was a rather low bar. He batted as high as sixth on occasion. They didn’t bat anyone else higher in the order, just their slugging pitcher. That’s the case with most of the other teams cited.
by StanTheManFan on
Apr 16, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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Mulder
That’s the rub with Mulder: we can live with a 88 MPH heater if his control is back not only with his FB but also with his offspeed stuff. This guy’s breaking stuff has to be spotted well. So a report on 88 mph fastball doesn’t tell us much. I’d be just more interested in ball-strike ratio and whether he was missing bats.
by jjray on
Apr 16, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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mulder pitches
41 strikes to 19 balls, and 9 ground outs to 5 fly outs. It is a rehab start, he will improve velocity with time. I have hope, though it is somewhat tempered by last year’s ‘return’.
by cdb on
Apr 16, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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thanks CDB
I was just too lazy to go find an enhanced minor league box score myself.
by jjray on
Apr 16, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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He did mention himself (Mulder) that due to the healing elbow his velocity was erratic at times...
I am in the camp that hopes they don’t rush him and let him find his rythym in the minors before testing him on the major league level.
And for God sake if Piniero says Mulder is ready don’t listen to him.
I still think they should have told Joel to relax and just pitched Thompson one more time. No need to rush.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on
Apr 16, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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i checked the white sox's batting orders at Baseball-Reference
from 1964-68; didn’t see any instances where a pitcher batted higher than 9th in the order. here’s the link to day by day batting orders for 1964; you can just click forward through the years.
peters definitely was a good hitter though — 19 career homers and a career OPS+ of 70.
by lboros on
Apr 16, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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I couldn't find it there either
which puzzles me. I remember the newspaper article about Peters batting up as clearly as if it had been in today’s paper. I want to do some research on this one.
by StanTheManFan on
Apr 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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Barton doesn't have to hit .400
to be a better offensive player than Ryan.
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Apr 16, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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Mulder
Why the trepidition about Mulder? It’s conclusory to say he’s “part of the past.” In fact, his contract says differently.
That he topped out at 88 mph doesn’t trouble me either. He was hitting 90 the other day, so I don’t look at it as a sign that he isn’t healthy.
If the view is, “we’re off to a pretty good start, so let’s not mess with it”—that view is true, but it doesn’t go very far. We’re a better team if we have 2003-quality Mark Mulder. So far, I’d say he looks pretty good because he’s throwing strikes and no one is hitting him very hard.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on
Apr 16, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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I was someone eagerly waiting to see a corrected Mark Mulder
this time around but having his ‘topping out’ speed drop from 90 to 88 from one start to the next isn’t a sign that anything is fixed. It seems more than likely that he is facing the same problem he did last year when he started for the Cardinals and that is a sharp drop off in velocity after a very short time due to his arm becoming extremely fatigued.
I no longer am eagerly waiting for Mulder to be rushed back. I assumed it would mean the end of Todd Wellemeyer or Braden Looper as a starter but now I’d much rather see one of them replaced with Anthony Reyes.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 16, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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It's all overanalyzation at this point...
I’m so sick of hearing about Mulder and Carp’s “progress.”
Just tell me when they’re ready to pitch on the big club. The media is clueless as to what they’re reporting.
Just like Carp and Clement, Mulder would be better off working out of the ‘pen in ‘08. I don’t get why teams don’t do this more. John Smoltz is the gold standard and needs to be emulated.
by silent_bob on
Apr 16, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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i agree
to the pen! of course, with mulders and carpenters contracts that probably wont happen…
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
Apr 16, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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Mulder to the Pen....
Intriguing, do something with Villone once Mulder comes back, have Mulder fall into a lefty reliever slot, used for long relief as well, and eventually work him up to starting by the end of the year.
by StLHugo on
Apr 16, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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That will never happen....... it makes to much sense.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on
Apr 16, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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Mulder
I know that Mulder is probably going to be a burden at first, but remember, in 2005 he was 16 – 8 with a 3.64. In addition, it will be nice to have at least one south paw to break up hitters in series. And yea, Looper pitched 5 good innings. So has Welly and Thompson (when he was in the rotation). But we need to get Starters back who can go deep into the game. Mulder has that potential. In 2005 he average around 6.1 innings per game. That would help if we can get him back there.
by Paducah Greg on
Apr 16, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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Is there some kind of stat that shows a pitcher’s average run support? Looper seems to get good run support from his teammates and clutch hits. I think that’s why he’s been successful.
Random points:
-It’s getting harder and harder to criticize the lineup choices, etc. of LaRussa. They just keep on winning!
-No one would ever have guessed that our pitching would be 2nd in the league so far!
-When will Barton see more playing time?
-How about rotating people into and out of the starting rotation and bullpen? Sounds crazy, but might be an interesting way to treat this pitching overabundance.
-Kennedy probably won’t be the starting 2B by the end of the season
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on
Apr 16, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
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Barton
Will see more playing time when we face lefties. His last outing he went the whole 9 innings. I think Tony isn’t going to start to replace him with a defensive sub until the 7th or 8th from now on. Tony has stated by mid season he should be finishing the games he starts in.
by Evilfrog on
Apr 16, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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Grit Miles and Walk Rate Spikes
Early in the ‘06 season, Miles saw a noticeable spike in his walk rate as well—one that carried through to season’s end and caused me to, on this very site, advocate for him receiving AB’s. Grit + OBP= Everybody happy (even if Slugging is nowhere to be found).
In 2006, Miles had a wonderful April in terms of walk rate and OBP, strikingly similar to Skip’s this young season. Through April 30th, Miles had 10 BB in 63 plate appearances and an OBP of .412. That year, Grit Miles set a career high for walks with 38 to go with 466 plate appearances (8.15% walk rate). He only hit .263, and didn’t have a great OBP, which was .324. Now, compare that to last season when he hit nearly 30 points higher with a BA of .290, but with no improvement in OBP, which was .328. The difference? Walk rate.
I hope that Skippy maintains his patient batting eye better than Miles has since April 2006.
by bgh on
Apr 16, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
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Impressed with Bullpen
But wonder who will be sent down once Mulder and Springer return. I would think Villone will be the first to go (though I hate losing a lefty specialist).... but who is next? Reyes, Franklin, McClellan, Izzy, Flores, Thompson & Wellemeyer are all pitching solid. Leave Springer in the minors till needed? Looper is 3-0, the BaseBall Gods do have a sense of humor.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
Apr 16, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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it wont be mclellan
With veteran reliever Russ Springer expected to come back onto the roster next week, another corresponding move will have to be made. But as far as McClellan going anywhere, La Russa said, “Where he goes, I’ll go with him.” from the dispatch today.
by UNCDubya on
Apr 16, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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im amazed about looper as well
unfortunately, im working on qualifying exams and have missed all of his starts… but i wonder how he has looked. last year, i would cringe when ever he would pitch for fear that he would throw out a delicious offering that our meek offense could not recover from—this year, however, he has a beard and we have a seemingly excellent ability to come from behind (except for sunday’s game where we blew two chances to score in the 8th and 9th).
i would like to see mulder hang out in the minors so he can gain confidence, so he doesnt come back and get tee’ed off on. we dont really need him at this point while our starters are doing well, and aside from him having confidence in himself, the updates on stlcardinals.com (where leach tells me whats going on) give me confidence in him.
now, in response to the main post:
i have been pleasantly surprised by kennedy as well. he may not be cleaning up at the plate, but when i see him batting he looks like hes legit—i mean, hes not erratic like last year. the guy obviously worked hard on his plate discipline over the summer. i was all about releasing him last year, but i think he has improved a lot. i feel comfortable with him in the lineup and at second base.
by krippledmaster on
Apr 16, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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i know that wasn't intended to be funny
but that comment his sad..
and when i say sad, i mean hilarious.
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
by _pistol_ on
Apr 16, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
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its true though...
loopers beard gives him power.
by krippledmaster on
Apr 16, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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No need to worry
I’ve got the sinking suspicion that Tony will find a clever way to put some guys on the DL to give them some extra rest when another pitcher comes back…
by eglasier on
Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Jo-el Piñiero?
If he pitches poorly on Saturday, I could see Joel returning to the DL to make room for Russ, with either Thompson or Reyes headed to the rotation.
It’s a shockingly solid pitching staff we’ve got. The weakest member in the ‘pen would have to be Villone, who’s not been used as a lefty specialist but more in the Eldred mop-up role. If someone were DFA’d or traded, I could see it being him.
by liam on
Apr 16, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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Hitting the nail on the head per your comments
on the dreaded Mulder arrival. Sort of like when the drunk uncle shows up at Thanksgiving, you know it will not end well.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on
Apr 16, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
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Sadly, the Cards have
A few drunken Uncles (no pun intended to the team’s past alcohol problems). Mulder, Pineiro, Springer & Clement will lead to a lively discussion around here and wondering when MO will be forced to make a move or two. Looks like he could package a couple of arms and a outfielder’s bat to land a big bat for insurance on Pujols.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
Apr 16, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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There's no insurance for Pujols
No matter what, if he goes down we’re sunk.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
by joker24 on
Apr 16, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Springer will retire before being traded
and I wouldn’t exactly give up on Joel after 1 start.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 16, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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There's now way ...
I would include Russ Springer on that list … he temporarily had an over-worked arm … he’s done nothing but produce results since he’s been here … what more do you want from him?
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Apr 16, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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+1
Springer was unbelievable last year. HE gets strikeouts by the boatload and rarely walks anyone. He is occasionally homer prone but he stays in any bullpen configuration in my book.
by indakind on
Apr 16, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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Are we really complaining about too many options!?!?
Wow – we’re dreading the potential arrival of Mulder?
Seems to me we’re really trying to find something to complain about. Nobody says that he’s guaranteed a spot if he’s not producing.
Everybody was whining about the signing of Juan Gone to a no risk deal this spring because it was absolutely positively going to harm the club because he was going to take away a sport from a prospect. Last I checked he’s not around and Barton’s on the team – I think it worked out OK.
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Apr 16, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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mulder
its not like we’re awaiting the arrival of a superstar here. everyone is scared because of TLR’s tendency to push “veteran” starters out there over more talented younger players, that is what is causing the apprehension.
by UNCDubya on
Apr 16, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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if mulder's shoulder works
he is a superstar. No doubt about it.
The risk is that his shoulder WON’T work, and they’ll give him 4 or 5 starts to “pitch through it”, he’ll lose them all and we’ll miss the playoffs by one game.
And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...
by SleepyCA on
Apr 16, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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the only superstar
years i’ve seen him have were in Oakland.
by UNCDubya on
Apr 16, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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Gonzalez had a minor league contract
they are paying top dollar for Mulder. No way they don’t use him.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 16, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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Good point
Given the contract, there will definitely be an increased push to use him.
I’m just a bit more optimistic LaDunc will cut their loses and not continue to run him out there if he isn’t hacking it. They only gave him 3 or so last year to suck it up and the guy who signed the contract (Jocketty) was still around. I feel that since he’s gone, it should be easier to cut the losses if he doesn’t perform since they can say “I didn’t sign him”.
Hopefully he’ll come back and be a pleasant surprise. He can’t be any worse than Maroth was!
by birdo rojo on
Apr 16, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Isn't Mulder signed thru 2009?
Too much money being paid to just “let go”.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
Apr 16, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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Club Option for 09
The best I can find quickly is he needed to make 30 starts in 07 & 08 for it to be guaranteed.
by birdo rojo on
Apr 16, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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30 starts each year or total?
3 starts last year… 27 for this year isn’t going to happen. More incentive for him to do well then.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
Apr 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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Instead of last year’s situation, this year both sides – Mulder and the staff are taking their time.
He’s working location, then building velocity. He’s doing what he should be doing.
By all accounts if Mulder doesn’t perform. His career is over. Best he’ll have is a spring training invitee next year when he free agents out. Fairly assuming we’d cut ties.
He has every incentive to not only to this right, but to give it a full shake in trying. We should support that.
