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Game 14 Open Thread: April 15, 2008

Milwaukee Brewers @ St. Louis Cardinals


Bush Looper
0-2, 8.44 2-0, 3.09

SBN brother blogger jeff sackmann of Brew Crew Ball invited me to exchange five questions in advance of tonight's brewer-cards tilt. here are the five questions he asked me:

  1. We're two weeks into the season, and much to my surprise the Cardinals are sitting atop the division. What's been the key to St. Louis's success so far?
  2. You've got an outfield full of names that many fans haven't even heard of. What kind of production are you expecting from the group, and how well do you expect them to fare with the glove?
  3. After 37 starts in the last two years, Anthony Reyes is now a member of the bullpen. What's going on with this guy?
  4. What are your early impressions of the Glaus for Rolen deal?
  5. Many prospect-watchers don't have nice things to say about the Cardinals system. Aside from Colby Rasmus, is there anyone else on the farm who might make an impact in 2008?

my answers are at this link. and here are jeff's answers to my questions:

1. For the first time in years, Ben Sheets had an injury-free spring. He's been unhittable through 3 starts. How's his health outlook? If he stays healthy, can the Brewers be stopped?
If he keeps pitching like this, it's hard to imagine the Brewers being stopped. What people often forget about Sheets is that many of his injuries have been of the freakish variety (vestibular neuritis is nasty, but at least it doesn't affect your elbow), and just a few years ago, he was considered a horse--from 2002 to 2004, he threw 215+ IP per year. Whenever Brewers fans talk about this, we're crossing fingers and knocking on wood, but there aren't any danger signs in view.

2. Heading into the season it was predicted that the signing of Mike Cameron, and the consequent position shifts of Bill Hall and Ryan Braun, would vastly improve the Brewers' defense. Does that seem to be the case so far? To the naked eye, does the defense appear to be tighter?
Absolutely, and this is even before Cameron has made an appearance. [Cameron's serving a 15-game PED suspension.] Bill Hall has made some great plays at third, and best of all, most of his throws actually end up at first base. Braun doesn't look all that comfortable in left yet, but he's got the arm for it, and really, if all the position switch accomplishes is moving him to a less important spot on the field, that's a plus for the Crew.

The defensive focus is now on the right side of the infield, where Rickie Weeks and Prince Fielder have both been way below average for most of their careers. Fielder works hard at it, but will probably never be that good, while Weeks...well, you gotta see it to believe it. He can send a routine throw that you or I could make into the stands, and produce a web gem on the next play. It's never boring, I can say that much.

3. Brewer fans can't be too thrilled with Gagne so far. Who closes if he washes out? Is there anybody in the system who can step in, or are you looking at a trade?
No, we're not thrilled, that's for sure. But the pen is built to be flexible. David Riske could be closing for a lot of teams right now, and he's looked good in the early going. Guillermo Mota is still something of a work in progress, but before an adventure on Sunday, he appeared to be coming around. There's not an obvious solution in the minors, but when you've got five guys in the major league pen with closing experience (granted, one of them is Derrick Turnbow, and he's probably not seeing another save opportunity this decade), that's not a high priority.

4. How do you like the pitcher-hitting-8th experiment so far? Has it generated much discussion among Brewer fans? Any specific instances where it seemed to have strategic implications in a game?
It's generated plenty of discussion, and I'm actually surprised it hasn't gotten more attention outside of Milwaukee. I guess LaRussa took the initial brunt of bucking the conventional wisdom, but the pundits are used to LaRussa, while Ned Yost is usually the kind of manager you assume nods along with Joe Morgan when he watches Sunday Night Baseball.

Personally, I love it. On paper, it's not making or breaking the team, but I love the fact that Yost is willing to do something so bold and--dare I say it--sabermetrically welcome. There are plenty of times where it appears to be helpful or not, but it's not the kind of decision you can evaluate without having a lot more evidence to go on--and even then, it's tough to know when it has paid off or not, because you never know what would've happened with an alternative lineup.

5. The Brewer offense ranked 14th among NL teams in walks drawn last year and is a far-distant 16th so far this year. As a result the team always ranks near the bottom of the league in OBP --- kind of like the old Cub offenses of the Dusty Baker era. Is that a big concern, and can anything be done about it?
Well, it's the Brewers way. We make up for it by getting hit by a lot of pitches. Jason Kendall and Mike Cameron were both signed in part for this reason, and of course we haven't seen what kind of impact Cameron will have. The big issue going forward is what Ryan Braun and JJ Hardy can do. I don't know to what extent plate discipline can be taught, especially once a hitter reaches the major league level, but Braun, especially is going to have to work on it.

For both of those guys, part of the issue has been who's hitting behind them. Braun was batting cleanup, ahead of Bill Hall, until he and Fielder requested a switch over the weekend. And Hardy has been batting in front of the pitcher. In both cases, pitchers aren't giving them anything to hit, and they're swinging anyway. You'd think some kind of adjustment could be made, but these are known problems, and we haven't seen much improvement so far.

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Schumaker = league average hitter?

Really? I mean, if he can be league average, then he’s an incredibly valuable player given his defense. I gotta disagree on that one—I think he’s far closer to replacement level than league average.

by azruavatar on Apr 15, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

and no love for hoffpauir. sigh.

I think there actually is an good chance of Schumaker being “league average”- league average in ‘07 was .757 OPS, which is attainable. League-average for a corner OF is ~.810, which is less likely. I could see him finishing with a .300/.335/.420 line.

He’d be a good choice for CF on many teams, just not on a team with a slumping 3B, no offense from the middle infield, Rick Ankiel in CF and Duncan/Ludwick on the bench.

And I awoke in California, far far from Spancilhill...

by SleepyCA on Apr 15, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with you Sleepy...re the Hoff.

I think Hoffpauir is as likely as Mather to have an impact on the club this year. Granted that means and injury or DFA to Kennedy or Miles, but at this rate I bet one of the comes up with a sore knee or something.

by cardzfanbub on Apr 15, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree...

Hoff isn’t in the Cardinals plans at all – he didn’t get any playing time at all in spring training. I think 7 PA? If he had any chance of being called up, he would have gotten some playing time. Heck, celebrities have probably gotten more playing time in ST than he had with the Cardinals this year.

by DiscoJer on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm not a hoff believer

but i am open to persuasion. part of my skepticism is due to a bad showing in the AZ Fall League - he didn’t do well against fast competition. but here’s the core of my doubt: there are so many pitchers in the minors with poor control that a guy can put up a high OBP by taking those pitches and walking a ton. but that same hitter is gonna see more strikes at the big-league level; he’s gotta be able to hit to maintain the high OBP. i don’t think hoff is that good a hitter.

perhaps i’m wrong and i hope i am, but that’s why i didn’t mention him over at BCB.

by lboros on Apr 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think he can post close to a .750 ops

he’s drawing walks this year, and he’s good for a .120 isolated power or so — if he hits .275 (which he can) that puts him at roughly a .340 obp / .395 slg, which is not quite league average but well above replacement level. of course, i’m talking league average hitter, non-position adjusted . . . . . i don’t mean i think he can be a league-average hitter for an outfielder. but i do think he can be so taguchi.

by lboros on Apr 15, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Skip will catch up ...

he’s just off to a slow start … he’ll be league average plus before it’s over …

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Apr 15, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet you a nickle

he won’t.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno

If anything, he’s off to a great start. He almost as as many walks this year as he did in all of last year.

Bench Skippy

by DiscoJer on Apr 15, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

link

LB – the link that you provided in your a-reyes answer at the brewers site does not work. I was curious to see which of the many ‘discussions’ you chose to emphasize your point….

Great questions and great answers by the way. I like this format and would love to see it more often (easy to ask for….)

by cdb on Apr 15, 2008 6:44 PM EDT   0 recs

thanks for mentioning it

I should’ve checked the links before posting. I’m not sure I got the right one, but it was from approximately the right date.

Speaking of, some people at BCB are half-jokingly suggesting Dave Bush for Reyes. Thoughts from Cardinal-land?

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 15, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mulder

already gave up a run in the 1st.

Although the first 2 baserunners got on with an infield hit (which sounded like a flub by B. Ryan) and an error.

by enoscountry on Apr 15, 2008 6:44 PM EDT   0 recs

hes getting hit, it seems...

3 innings, 4 hits. and a lot of his outs have been of the loud variety.

by longhornscardinals on Apr 15, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope

they leave him down in the minors til either he starts getting it right of his arm falls off

by FunkeeC on Apr 15, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i would think

that if he were struggling theyd leave him down for the full 30 days/as many starts as possible.

by longhornscardinals on Apr 15, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Listening...

... on milb.com. Lots of grounders in the first three innings, only one K, no walks. The run in the 1st was unearned. He did give up an inside the park HR in the 4th, but that was at least partly because Jones and one of the other OFers (I didn’t catch which) collided trying for it and the ball rolled around for awhile. It certainly would have been extra bases, but he got a line out to center from the next batter, so he’d probably have gone 4 scoreless without the error and the collision. Jones stayed in the game, by the way and caught the third out, but they lifted him for a PH in the bottom of the inning.

by punditmoi on Apr 15, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh

The other OFer involved in the collision was Tommie Pham and they took him off mid-inning. Hope he’s ok. Mulder is still in there starting the 5th. Ground out to Ryan for the 1st out.

by punditmoi on Apr 15, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also

they say his velocity is up to 89, and he’s getting mostly ground balls. Plus I think he was mostly throwing fastballs at first – this inning they said he threw a curve.

by enoscountry on Apr 15, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

A big looper to induce the grounder for the first out. Second out was a fly ball to the warning track.

They have Steve Hill in RF, Solano in LF, Mulligan is playing 3rd. Hill and Mulligan are both listed as catchers on the roster.

Pop out to Ryan in the shallow outfield for the 3rd out.

Final line: 5 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K Not superlative, especially against high-A hitters, but it could certainly have been worse.

by punditmoi on Apr 15, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty surprising...

... that he went 5 innings (not sure of the pitch count), especially with the long on-field delay after the collision/inside the parker.

by punditmoi on Apr 15, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a pretty good line

for a guy in his first real game situation. He more than likely was told (like anyone in their first spring start) to just throw fastballs and establish command.

It’s the next start that will be more important.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

These five questions things are great, lboros, thanks.

I enjoy both reading their answers and seeing what questions they think are of interest with the Cardinals. I know you did several last year, but I don’t remember the specific teams except the Cubs – were you doing them with all division opponents? It would be fun to see them each time we play an opponent for the first time, division or not (that is, if you’re looking for more work to do…).

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 15, 2008 7:49 PM EDT   0 recs

How did Ryan do today?

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

by stltrav09 on Apr 15, 2008 7:52 PM EDT   0 recs

0-2 so far

with a FO and a PO. No errors, but someone else who was listening earlier said it sounded like he juggled a bit on the infield single that setup the unearned run in the first.

by punditmoi on Apr 15, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rough start

I thought the game was over, i’m following the box score now thanks

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

by stltrav09 on Apr 15, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he missed a pop fly too

the announcers said he could have really been charged with 2 errors

by enoscountry on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bush

so, this milwaukee hurler looks like he’s had a it pretty rough so far.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

I heard he was on the trading

block as well.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Would anyone be interested

Would you guys be interested in a way to watch the Game over the internet for free? There tends to be a lag between real time and video time. But the quality is not half bad?

Should I just make a fan post for this?

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 15, 2008 8:06 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah, I’d like to watch the game…

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

keep it simple

This is done through p2p sharing of video streams. Here is the link of the MLB games being brodcasted

http://www1.myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&;part=sports&discipline=baseball

Your going to have to download this program TVants

http://www1.myp2p.eu/download.php?p=tvants

After downloading and installing click on this link to bring up the game

tvants://list.tvants.com/tvants/?k=f6e08a0b19aea48fada5b8a9de123275

Just ignore all the crazy asian advertisements

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

do tell

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

by stltrav09 on Apr 15, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you guys get it to work

You guys have any problems getting to work?

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 15, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How fast is your connection

How fast is your connection you need at least 312kbps down which isnt that much

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 15, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

preparing channel Brewcrew is what it is saying

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it got a little further but

it keeps crashing my computer and freezing things up. plus it looked like the window was going to be tiny. not even worth the effort.

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't normally laugh over injuries but

Soriano just sprained his ankle doing that stupid hop he does when catching the final out of the 1st.

He has been taken out of the game.

Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)

by stltrav09 on Apr 15, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

LOL. now that’s funny

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you serious?

That is pretty funny. If he sprained his ankle any other way, it wouldn’t be.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

only the cubs…

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys. Don't. It is not funny that Soriano is injured.

I don’t care if he’s a Cub and I don’t care if he was showing off. It is not funny.

It’s bad karma too. Stop it now.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Apr 15, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm watching the game in Cleveland

on mlb.com and I’m getting the Milwaukee feed.
I thought you only got the home broadcast.

I REALLY don’t want to listen to the lame Brew Crew.

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Apr 15, 2008 8:10 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah seriously...

What’s up with this?

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by stltrav09 on Apr 15, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineup

Skip
Dunc
Pujols
Ankiel
Glaus
Molina
Kennedy
Loop
Iz2

by StLHugo on Apr 15, 2008 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs

now thats a pitch loop

atta kid

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Who was riding the motorized cooler

out to the bullpen during the opening?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

McClellan

according to Al

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That seems about right.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

According to Al

McClellan apparently had to bring the beverages out to the bullpen.

He did it in style…

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

kennedy

just tried to kill albert with that throw

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Delwyn Young can not possibly be worse

defensively than Adam Kennedy. I just have a hard time believing that.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT   0 recs

WTH

is Joe Dillon?

"The only thing you know about pitching is that you can't hit it." Bob Gibson to Tim McCarver

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Your daddy,

that’s what.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1,2,3

great start

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice top of the 1st

Good job, Loop

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by sirensofsilence on Apr 15, 2008 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

aaaaaand...

MLB.tv sticks me with the FSN Wisconsin feed…super.

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 15, 2008 8:21 PM EDT   0 recs

unbelievable. I can’t even get the cubs game in Chicago. Fox is just plain retardedly evil

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its on csn

i live in chicago too

by huts04 on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

huh, it said not available

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok, it didn’t work at first, but now it’s on

Ankiel is Jesus!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 15, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was really looking forward

to hearing Dan and Al tonight after getting the Houston (decent) and San Francisco (embarrassing) broadcast teams all last week. Who knows why they’re going with the road team in this game…

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 15, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does Dave Bush ever shave

when you can pull off the 5’oclock shadow look, you should never abandon it.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

The feed tonight is about

30-45 seconds behind Gameday
and about
60-90 seconds behind this post.

I feel very prophetic tonight.

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Apr 15, 2008 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

but when I post

I’m going to feel very PATHetic.

by '54 Cardinal Fan on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ned yost looks like

george w bush

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Poor Ryan Ludwick!

He’s probably wondering what he has to do to get a start.

by TheBirds on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

He's not scrappy enough

he can’t play the leadoff position very well.

I dunno.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 15, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't care

You hit 3 HRs in 3 days, you are in the lineup somehow.

by TheBirds on Apr 15, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris Duncan is too jumpy

does he think he will change the umpires mind on an inside strike by acting as if it will chop his hands off?

Just stand in t