40 Acres and a Power Bat
As many of you have probably noticed, maybe some of you didn’t, we received our annual “We will keep the powder dry if the right ‘type’ player comes along” promise. I think it is safe to say that either Mo was a very good student under Walt when it comes to these statements being used to keep Tony and the fans complacent or it’s a directive from DeWitt in order to distract from the giant lake in LF.
This year, however, it becomes slightly more imperative for the Cardinals to find an alternative power source to protect Pujols. Chris Duncan is likely to hit Super 2 status after this season, thus boosting his salary probably in the range of $5 M and limiting his value to a Cardinals roster looking for better production/cost ratio in the OF and increases his likelihood of being traded. Troy Glaus, for all his warts, is not a cleanup hitter. Rick Ankiel isn’t the prototypical cleanup hitter either and in an ideal world, would work wonderfully in the #2 spot because of his speed, power and reliance on actually seeing good pitches. Colby Rasmus, at least for the first 3 or 4 seasons of his big league career, will probably be penciled into the leadoff or second slot. A name often times thrown around with him is Grady Sizemore and I think that fits. Later on in his career, he may develop more power as he gets older and the result will be a slot further down in the lineup but for now (this season and next) he’d be best served at the top of the card.
The Cardinals are using the credit they have built up from the Walker acquisition in 2004 to make their case that they will go out and get an ‘impact’ player if one becomes available. The difference in this situation is that the Cardinals aren’t looking for a short term solution to protecting Pujols. When they got Walker, they had enough offense elsewhere for Walker to inflict some damage from in front of Pujols and use his great eye and contact ability to clog the bases in front of The Mang. In the current situation, they need a player to keep pitchers honest about putting Pujols on base.
Before we get to any possible solutions, let’s look at just what an NL cleanup hitter is. According to baseball-reference.com, the National League cleanup hitters averaged .280/.365/.492 in 2007. They hit a homerun every 20 ABs, a double every 17 ABs, and drove in an RBI every 5.7 ABs. Over 500 ABs, that works out to roughly be 25 HRs, 30 2Bs, 88 RBIs. In 2007, that player was Garrett Atkins (.301/.367/.486, 25 HR, 35 Doubles, 111 RBI in 605 ABs).
In 2006, NL cleanup hitters went .279/.375/.505. They hit a homerun every 19 ABs, a double every 16 ABs, and drove in an RBI every 5.6 ABs. Over 500 ABs, that works out to roughly be 26 HRs, 31 2Bs, 90 RBIs. In 2006, that player was Pat Burrell (.258/.388/.505, 29 HR, 24 2B, 95 RBI in 462 ABs).
Now, all this does is shows that if the Cardinals wanted the exact ‘average’ of what cleanup hitter was in each of the past two seasons, this is what it would look like. A better, more in-depth analysis could be done by taking the 2005-2007 totals, averaging them out and then with those averages in hand, sorting through David Pinto’s wonderful tool to see what player most resembles our 3 year average line during that same span. But, for this little exercise, that really isn’t needed as we aren’t debating what ‘IS’ a cleanup hitter but rather what is available if the Cardinals are really looking for one.
With that in mind, the solutions, if any? The Cardinals are pretty well locked up at 3B (no trade clause), 1B and C. They can improve at SS, 2B and any of the OF positions. The likelihood of finding a #4 hitter at a MIF position is very slim. You also have to avoid, in an exercise like this, trying to find the next Ryan Braun. The odds of such a player becoming available so young and so talented just doesn’t happen.
Barry Bonds (FA), 42 yrs, LF – This is the most obvious short term fix. It’s also not a real solution to the protection problem. Bonds would be a great fit for half the season, playing Chris Duncan-level defense while crushing 20+ HRs or clogging the bases in his own right. He carries a ton of baggage, is a less than desirable human being but is also a free agent that costs no one but Bill DeWitt. Tony campaigned for Lamar earlier, but was shot down.
So, from there, you have to look at soon to be Free Agents on teams that may be out of the pennant races:
The Orioles, Giants:
The Baltimore Orioles really have nothing to offer the Cardinals in way of protecting Pujols. What talent they do have is fairly young and years away from free agency. Equally so, the O's and Giants lack any real power threats that could improve this team going forward.
Pat Burrell, (PHI), LF, 31 – Pat Burrell is an intriguing case. His $ 50m contract expires at the end of this year. Burrell has a full no-trade clause and is currently playing for a likely contender. He has had a contentious relationship with the Philadelphia crowd and is an Arkansas native. A move to St. Louis may not be the worst thing for him personally, but what does it do professionally?
Burrell has batted 5th all season protecting another prodigious power hitting 1B. He did so for most of 2007, except for his sensational second half in which he replaced Utley batting 3rd as the Phillies stalked down the Muts. For the Cardinals, Burrell would find himself in a familiar role but in a different slot in the order. Technically, for the double-leadoff Cardinals, he would be in the same situation but things aren’t always that easy. With Burrell, the Cardinals would have a player that traditionally plays very well in the second half (which helps for 2008) but is a free agent at the end of the season (when he turns 32) which does not help the team going forward unless they plan to devote both money and prospects to acquiring Burrell.
Delwyn Young (LAD), LF/2B, 26 – Young is a bit of a mystery. Once a rising star in the Dodger farm system, Young seems to have hit both a wall (offensively) and a ceiling (playing time) the last two years. The Dodgers have a mighty full OF with FA Andrew Jones, young stars in Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier and albatross Juan Pierre. When you are 5th deep at your preferred position and 3rd deep at your backup roles (2B/3B), the odds of you having a job very long are slim.
Young has some power. In the minors, Young had a .512 SLG with 102 HRs in 2706 Abs (1 HR: 26 ABs) but much more impressively, in his 3rd season at AAA, the 25 year old Young connected on 54 doubles. What Young provides, quite frankly, is a younger switch-hitting version of Rick Ankiel. He bested Rick last season in SLG % in the PCL. Young’s doubles were tops in the PCL and he was Top 5 in BA. These are to be somewhat expected for an above average prospect in his 3rd year at a level. But does Young provide that protection factor for Pujols? Probably not although, his MLB Equivalency last year would have been a .492 SLG, ranking him 2nd on the 2007 Cardinals in that category.
Don’t get me wrong, Young is a nice player to have. He’s an everyday player who can be a super-sub, of sorts playing all 3 OF positions and 3 IF positions while batting from both sides. Not only couldn't Tony keep him on the bench due to his versatility but why would Tony want to? He could literally have him change positions every inning and TLR could burn through the entire bench and bullpen in one game if he got a wild streak. The problem is, the Dodgers don’t really HAVE to move him. He is blocked, for sure, but makes league minimum until 2010. He’s got plenty of options left and the Dodgers have made no talk about wanting to deal him.
Jack Cust, (OAK), OF, 29 - Ok, now we are starting to scrape the barrel here. Does Cust really offer an improvement over Duncan? No, he doesn’t. He’s as much a defensive liability in the OF and he carries the baggage of the Mitchell Report with him.
Carl Crawford, (TB), LF, 26 – Crawford is such a pipe dream that I almost feel guilty even typing this. Crawford is where Rasmus hopefully ends up one day. A speedy, leadoff type OF who grows into his body and is moved down in the order to create more runs. Crawford, however, hasn’t moved down THAT far. He has spent time the last few years batting 3rd but for the most part is seen as the Rays #2 hitter. Crawford has yet to hit 20 HRs in a season. He’s yet to drive in over 100 runs in a season. He possesses power but speed is still his game.
Crawford would be a great player to have, but he’d have to increase his HR production to be considered a real threat. Even a player like Bonds, who was of a similar mold as Crawford at age 26, was crushing 25-30 HRs a season. Crawford hits a great deal of doubles and triples, which will score Pujols as good as a HR would but the Cardinals would have to bank on Crawford’s power developing rather quickly. The other caveat for the Cardinals is that the Rays hold two option years on Crawford, 2009 and 2010. They have already picked up his 2009 option. This works well if we acquire him but it also makes it less likely they are willing to deal him.
One thing that works in the Cardinals favor is that Crawford is owed $20 M over the next 2 years, during the same time that Pena is owed $18 M. Those two would account for 50% of the Rays current operating cost during that time span (if the intend to keep their payroll at that high level). Unfortunately, for the Cardinals, the Rays have declined Rocco Baldelli’s option for 2009, thus it looks more likely the Rays intend on holding on to Crawford.
Which leads us to another candidate:
Rocco Baldelli (TB) CF, 26 – Baldelli can’t stay healthy. It’s that simple. If he could, he’s got legit power and above average speed. He has hit down in the order (#3 and #4) and could provide production from a corner OF spot, thus saving him some wear and tear not playing CF anymore. He will become a FA at the end of this season (with his option being declined) and the Rays may be willing to get anything they can for him. He has an odd metabolic deficiency that doesn’t allow his muscles to work properly. Thus, the high injury rate.
Baldelli would be a big risk for the club to count on for any kind of protection for Pujols, however he does offer them a big ceiling should he figure out the metabolism thing and stay healthy.
And this brings me to the final (that I can really think of) and most likely candidate:
Jay Ray Bay (PIT) LF, 29 - If you think Cardinals wish they could bring back the 2004-2006 seasons, so does Jason Raymond Bay. After being called up in May 2004 by the Pirates, Bay had a.929 OPS in 79 games on his way to NL Rookie of the Year. He followed in 2005 with his career best, posting a .961 OPS while hitting 32 HRs, 44 doubles and driving 101 runs. In November of that year he signed a 4 year/$18.5 M deal.
While Bay was pretty good again in 2006 (.928 OPS/35 HR/109 RBIs), he had an awful 2007 season. Many attributed it to some weakness in his shoulder, some questioned his work ethic. He has been known to have lapses in LF defensively often times on sheer focus. In September of this year, Bay will be turning 30 years old. If 2007 was an aberration, then he should still be in his peak offensive years for 3 or 4 more seasons. If 2007 was the beginning of a steady decline, then signing him does very little.
Bay has almost identical splits batting 3rd and 4th in the lineup. Let me rephrase that, he has HIT better batting 4th but has appeared in the two spots almost the same amount of plate appearances. For a player like Jason Bay, he seems like the type that can thrive in a setting in which he doesn’t have to be ‘the man’. One major flaw for Bay is his high number of strikeouts. Would he be nothing more than adding another Troy Glaus? Hard to say. The Pirates will be in a position at mid-season where they will be looking to deal players like Bay (w/one year, 7.5M left on his contract) and Xavier Nady to help restock a pretty shabby farm system. The Pirates have begun to use advanced metrics in evaluating talent and aren’t the same leadership that dealt Aramis Ramirez for a hardy handshake. Tread lightly when dealing with them now.
Pretty depressing, eh? I think this illustrates that what Mozeliak means when he says ‘the right player’ he means ‘when an absolute gift’ falls into our laps. Most teams in the league aren’t looking to deal there big power threats and if they are, those guys are usually ancient. The Blue Jays just locked up Rios long term, the Tigers extended Miguel Cabrera.
Good luck, John.
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Ludwick
Could he swing his way into an everyday player? He always has clutch ABs, and provides decent power. He's aready on our team and can play anywhere in the OF. Doing this could let us trade for one of the other holes in our team; say middle infield. I know everyone is tired of hearing that we should trade Duncan and Reyes it seems like there isn't anyone really beating down our door to acquire these guys so we may have to throw in a guy like Mather or Anderson. Moving an OF would open up a roster spot for Rasmus. Even if we couldn't get a MLB ready infielder I would settle for a no doubt prospect who would be ready for what is supposed to be a promising 2009-2010.
An outfield of Ludwick, Rasmus, and Ankiel would look nice. Next year we could have our new young infielder and not have to deal with Iz2 or AK.
I'm looking for the next Bobby Bonilla?
by showmejoe on Apr 13, 2008 8:00 PM EDT 0 recs
If you are looking to improve MIF
but still looking for a cleanup potential hitter, Delwyn Young would be the one you would target.
The problem is that the Dodgers aren't in need of either pitching or OF'ers. Nor another young catcher.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Do the Dodgers need BP help?
Perhaps Motte for Delywn Young?
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Apr 13, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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I let that go last night
but that was the reply I was going to make.
+1.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 14, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
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We need LH Bullpen help, not right handed...
well, that is making the very risky assumption that Pineiro will pitch better than he did yesterday and Mulder will be reasonably effective. If those two things come to pass, then you put Thompson and Wellemeyer in the bullpen, and it's fine.
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Apr 14, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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Nice post
First of all, I'd just like to compliment you on a well thought out, well written post. I haven't been around here very long, but it seems like ever since the format change, there have been a lot of unnecessary and sometimes ridiculous fanposts.
Back to the topic at hand. I think that while the Cards are in need of another "impact" bat, any that might be available would certainly cost the team more than they'd like to spend in prospects. It would go against the new philosophy. Although that wouldn't be the case with Bonds, I would rather not see him in a Cardinal uniform. No argument, just opinion.
While I do see a possible surplus of pitching coming soon in which to deal from, I don't believe any would return a major league bat. A trade involving Duncan or Schumaker to make room for Rasmus likely wouldn't fill the void either. I expect moves to be made between now and July, just nothing major.
by mikeonthecards on Apr 13, 2008 8:10 PM EDT 0 recs
I say
don't go trading pitching, you never have enough healthy arms. I agree with Yogi Bera when he said, "90% of baseball is pitching and the other half is hitting and fielding." Yogi was right.
by ridgesee on
Apr 13, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Also I say
forget the clean up hitter. A 2nd baseman who can hit is of greater priority. a good 7th place hitter.
by ridgesee on
Apr 13, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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Hmmmm
I just don't see Ankiel as a #2 hitter. He's certainly not what you want in an #2 hitter. You want a guy who will get on base for the #3 and #4 hitters, which Ankiel doesn't do (since he doesn't walk much).
Rasmus is probably the ideal #2 hitter, when (or if) he gets called up
Also, based on your average stats for a cleanup hitter, the Cardinals pretty much already have that guy - Chris Duncan. Maybe a few more home runs and a few less doubles, but otherwise, it's pretty close to his career numbers.
by DiscoJer on Apr 13, 2008 8:34 PM EDT 0 recs
Chris Duncan is too vulnerable against LHP
to be considered a legitimate #4 hitter. He's also too much of a defensive liability to be an everyday OF.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 13, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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I disagree...
about the defense anyway. He might not be good in LF, but LF defense simply does not matter that much. Over the course of the season, he turns what, maybe 15 outs into singles?
He's not good against lefties, but neither are most other lefties. One of your picks, Carl Crawford struggled with Lefties his first few years. Maybe Duncan will learn to hit them better?
I still think he's by far the best choice they have.
by DiscoJer on
Apr 13, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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He turns far more outs into singles/doubles
How can you discount LF defense by saying that it doesn't matter? Just because a lot f teams are willing to put slugging 1B there, doesn't really mean that those players don't have a negative impact on run prevention. They do. Duncan would cost the team something like 15+ runs if he was an everyday player. he's an atrocious LF. Last year PMR had him short 17 plays (around 14 runs) in limited playing time.
by azruavatar on
Apr 13, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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Thank you.
The amount he elevates team ERA should be deducted from his offensive production. Crawford, on the other hand is a + defender.
by vinniefromjersey on
Apr 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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Carl Crawford did struggle against LHP
although not at the level Duncan does. Also to factor in, Crawford figured out how to hit LHP 4 years ago, when he was 22.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 13, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
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Heretical idea?
Like the post, Hardcore. Good topic.
How about this: Glaus is better batting #5, Dunc and Ankiel are better batting behind Albert. Ergo, bat Albert cleanup.
Midseason order:
Rasmus
Ankiel
Dunc/Ludwick
AP
Glaus
Molina
AK/Ryan
Pitcher
Izz2/Ryan
by gocards62 on Apr 13, 2008 9:15 PM EDT 0 recs
+1 ... Fill this need from WITHIN the organization ...
I know Tony loves AP in the 3 hole ... and I understand the reasons for it ... but given the composition of this line-up, with the power bats we have with their lefty/righty splits, I don't see why he HAS to stay there ... he is our clean-up hitter ... with well beyond the average numbers HL listed ... I really like the lineup Gocards62 presents, and Skip is fine at lead-off until Rasmus makes the scene in June ...
If we HAVE to go outside the organization ... my vote would be for Jason Bay ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Apr 14, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
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Pitcher in 8-hole
you would not need to hit the pitcher 8th if you did this, in fact i would think this would increase the chance of the pitcher coming up in crucial situations with people on base if he was left there.
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
Apr 14, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
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i like albert
in the cleanup spot but 2 and 3 spots are the question. I think ankiel would be better 3rd but the question becomes what to do 2nd. I would put AK/Ryan/Miles in the second spot, i know its not ideal, but duncan and ludwick just dont impress me. I would rather see better runners on top of the lineup than putting all or nothing hitters 3rd. Ankiel will also see great pitches 3rd with pujols hitting cleanup.
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by plunkem on
Apr 14, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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Pujols bats in the 1st
You want him to get as many ABs as possible with runners on. That is why he bats 3rd.
by bgh on
Apr 14, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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Pujols bats with runners on base
Is it more likely that 2 Abs will produce a base runner, or is it more likely that 3 Abs will produce a base runner? It seems like there's a better chance of base runners being on for Albert if there are 3 hitters, rather than 2 hitters, in front of him.
The chances are greater for Albert to hit with the bases empty if he's hitting 3rd in the order than if he's hitting 4th in the order. To put it another way, it's less likely for three hitters in a row to all make outs than it is for two hitters in a row to make outs. So, wouldn't it be better for Albert to hit 4th?
If the main concern is Albert hitting more times in the season, than why not go ahead and hit him 2nd? If the main concern is Albert hitting with men on base, then why not hit him 4th?
The problem with him hitting 4th is that he would hit with the bases empty leading off the 2nd inning if the first 3 hitters all made outs. As is, he hits with the bases empty when 2 consecutive hitters make outs, which I've pointed out is much more likely than the first 3 men all making outs.
Plus, if Albert hits leading off the 4th, there's a greater chance of him scoring runs because you've got the potential of having him on base with no outs and RBI guys coming up. If he hits with the bases empty in the first inning and gets on, you've only got one out left to play with.
Conclusion: Just hit Albert fourth.
by 82Special on
Apr 14, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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agree with all points
and this is backed up by every lineup study I've seen. the best hitters in the lineup should be #2 and #4. Batting Pujols 3rd probably costs a couple of runs a year at most, but it does cost a couple.
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by SleepyCA on
Apr 14, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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Personally
I'd rather sacrifice the extra runs that may or may not be there with Albert getting the extra at bats throughout the year in third. Matter in fact, with a player like Albert, those runs may be negated by his extra plate appearances.
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 14, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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even more so with the pitcher batting 8th, which makes him a dual situation guy. More plate appearances, and outside of the first inning someone who's given a chance to have those three batters before him like the traditional clean up.
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 14, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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All true
But there is a fear factor. The starting pitcher knows he will see albert in the first inning.
by nybirdfan on
Apr 14, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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I love Ludwick batting second
The few times I have seen him in person, he just really seems to fly on the basepaths
by mattyfrommo on
Apr 14, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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Problem isn't resolved if he's hitting fourth
While I can’t disagree with your arguments for hitting him fourth, I’m not sure it solves our main problem of getting pitched around. Regardless of whatever spot he’s hitting in, if no one is behind him they’ll never give him anything to hit!
by birdo rojo on
Apr 15, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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Pat the bat is the most intriguing guy on the list.
He is one of the streakest hitters who ever lived and when he's on one of those hot streaks, he'll carry a team for weeks at a time.
For this year there is not much available, but if the Reds don't end up in contention, does Adam Dunn work? He puts up the same walks, homers (40), RBI's year in and year out.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 13, 2008 9:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Pat and Dunn
offensively i would love for either of these two to wear the BOB they are both very underrated, by fans anyways....money wise i dont see it happening unfortunately and we have a young (read: cheap) productive outfield already.
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
Apr 14, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
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Forget it Jills
Hardcore went to the trouble to put up this whole elaborate post just to test VEB to see how his next proposal would.
SIGN BARRY BONDS
by ridgesee on Apr 13, 2008 9:26 PM EDT 0 recs
What?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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No. I think he really meant for folks to read it and think about it.
I even was trying to think that maybe J. D. Drew (the hated J. D. Drew!) might be what we are looking for. That bridge is burned, and he's probably better in the 2 spot, but I could see him there.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Apr 13, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Two words: Kahlil Greene. Would the Padres go for it?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Apr 13, 2008 10:04 PM EDT 0 recs
depends...
what do the Padres have in terms of young SS's looking to come up to the big leagues? If they have someone waiting on the door step, then maybe, otherwise, they wouldn't deal him.
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Apr 13, 2008 11:05 PM EDT
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Seriously
I don't think we need to target OFs right now. I'm totally satisfied with our OF. But if we could get Greene, that would be huge. Not only is he a solid hitter, but he's even a step up on defense.
But yeah, the questions if IF they would go for it. I remember them shopping him last year -- maybe they will this year as well.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on
Apr 14, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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You know,
that's the first person I thought of when I was reading Hardcore's post.
"Dude, we're running out of stadium" - said on the way to our seats in Section 428.
by bukowski on
Apr 14, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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This is a great idea
Check out is home/road splits, the guy gets killed by Petco. He could be a star in waiting.
Free Barry Bonds
by JI on
Apr 15, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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Just resigned
The Padres just resigned Greene in February to a two year deal. What makes anyone here think they suddenly want to give him up. It’s not as if they have a replacement ready to take his place either.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/san-diego-padres.html
by indakind on
Apr 15, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Ludwick is the man
we have 5 guys on the roster that could hit 30+ hrs. Its kinda silly to be talking about needing another impact bat.
However, as the original post pointed out, not all of those 30+ guys are cut out for the cleanup spot.
Ludwick seems the best fit for the cleanup spot. He's done everything he can to win a full time spot like has been given to Ankiel. Trade Duncan to free up a spot for Rasmus and get a middle infielder in exchange.
by gossard56 on Apr 13, 2008 10:33 PM EDT 0 recs
don't look now
but Rasmus is hitting exactly .200 as of today. he has had one scratch hit in the last four days. Also by the box score, Ryan played SS for Palms Spring today. He went 1 for 4, will probably e called up sometime this week.
by ridgesee on
Apr 13, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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So?
The guy the Giants called up and killed the Cardinals apparently wasn't hitting either (.185).
It could be Rasmus is disheartened by doing more than enough to make the team out of Spring Training, but jobbed by the Cardinals simply because they want to cheat him out of money (ie, super two arbitration)
by DiscoJer on
Apr 13, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
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You could be right
DiscoJer. But I have watched Rasmus closely for 3 years and he does seem to be a streak hitter, (so be prepared for that) but one that can carry a club when he's hot...kind of the Willie Mays variety. I don't look for the Cards to call him up until midseason though or a irisistable trade comes up in the mean time.
by ridgesee on
Apr 13, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
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+1 ... the answer is within the organization, people ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Apr 14, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
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i like Luddy but...
i think Barton offers more "upside" (there is that word again) than Ludwick and would like to see him get the at-bats. until Rasmus comes up you can play both, but after that a outfiled of Barton, Rasmus and Ankiel from left to right looks awful nice.
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
Apr 14, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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what kind of player would coco crisp be, I honestly don't know, thats's why I'm asking. I see boston is not too happy with him anymore. But I agree with the Lud-ites , that ludwick has decent speed, gap power, has come up big with risp so he could fit well maybe
by from First to Third on Apr 13, 2008 10:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Coco Crisp is worthless to the Cardinals
he has 0 power, only speed and defense. He would be a waste of an OF spot.
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Apr 13, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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and
i was stuck in the boston market most of last year and seen him play quite a bit
he doesn't have that great of an arm, has a decently high popup rate, someone you'd hate to have when they have speed. he's notoriously lazy on the ball and the thing that pisses me off the most about him.. and something you may have seen in the world series last year.
he trots to first base!. a guy that damn fast trotting is an utter disgrace.
the fans would love to get rid of him though, so you'd have their support at least, but frankly hes at most comparable to a couple of our fielders., but i'd hate to see him
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 14, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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All together now!
LUDWICK!!!
I'm looking for the next Bobby Bonilla?
by showmejoe on Apr 13, 2008 11:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Ludwick...
can hit lefties and righties so we could have our 3,4,5 spots stay the same each game with Pujols, Ludwick, Glaus.
We need to trade for a middle infielder who can hit!!. I dont like hitting an OF in the leadoff spot (too many years of being spoiled by having a CF with power!). With a MI leading off we can then hit Rasmus 2nd and Ankiel 6th, Molina 7th and Ryan 9th. Suddenly the entire line is looking much more solid. I'd be fine with shuffling the 1st, 2nd and 6th spots somewhat with maybe Rasmus leading off, Ankiel 2nd and new MI hitting 7th.
the addition of a good hitting middle infielder would do wonders to the lineup.
by gossard56 on
Apr 14, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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When did Ryan Ludwick start hitting
LHP?
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 14, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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Here are Ludwick's split numbers so far in 2008:
Split G PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
vs RHP 9 20 18 8 2 2 1 8 2 0 6 .444 .500 .944 1.444
vs LHP 8 19 17 4 1 0 2 2 2 1 5 .235 .316 .647 .963
First, Ryan is definately better against RHP; however, his power numbers are perfectly acceptable against LHP ... His doubles are comparable, his home runs are better, his walks the same and his SO less against LHP ... an OPS of .963 against LHP is better than Ankiel's and Glaus's OPS numbers, and they get everyday starts ... I say Ludwick's numbers against LHP are good enough to start him everyday, and see if his batting average increases against LHP, given his TREMENDOUS numbers against RHP ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Apr 14, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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19 ABs a hitter do not make
look at his MiLB statistics, look at his other MLB statistics. Ludwick has been AWFUL vs LHP in his entire career, sans this 19 AB stretch you speak of.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 14, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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Of course the sample size is low, duh ...
but your comment was short term ... you said 'since when' ... and the numbers so far in 2008 say 'since April 1' Ludwick has been hitting LHP for power pretty effectively ... and also, 'since when' has Ludwick had the opportunity he has now to really play a lot and get as many AB as he's getting right now ... perhaps he needs to play everyday to be allowed to break out .... just an idea ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Apr 14, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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I just can't buy into the fact that Ludwick has
finally figured out to hit LHP because he has 4 hits this season against them, 2 of which are HRs and 1 double.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 14, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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+1
I think it says more about the left handers he's faced than it does about his "new" hitting approach. a 30pt drop in ops+ between the both in mlb stats shows a true difference in the split
by AdjustedExpectations on
Apr 14, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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Reverse platoon splits don't exisit.
Don’t trust small sample sizes.
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by JI on
Apr 15, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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Maybe not 19 ABs, but
Take the collective of all Ludwick’s major league at-bats and the sample size explaination starts to looks just plain silly. Here’s his pre-08 mlb splits:
Year rhp / lhp
2002: .267/ .167
2003: .262/ .220
2004: .278/ .188
2005: .250/ .200
2007: .298/ .221
Career: .278; .211
If it were a one year thing, sure the “small sample size” could allow one to ignore the argument at hand. I don’t think it’s wise to do that here.
by k randolph on
Apr 15, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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I know, I know. It's still a small sample
We’re talking about maybe 200-250 PAs? Meaningless.
There have been studies done, reverse platoons are almost non-existent
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by JI on
Apr 15, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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What the heck is a reverse platoon?
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 15, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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Duh
nevermind.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 15, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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yes.
Tango for one does the math in his book “The Book”, and shows that it takes a given player about 2000 PA’s vs a LHP for a RHB vs LHP split to be more statistically significant than the league
