Game 12 overflow thread II
by lboros on Apr 12, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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Printit's been a long time since i enjoyed an April game as much as this one . . . . . 8-7 cards heading into the bottom of the 10th.
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REYES
Come on, kid. I'm a believer.
In the unlikely story that is Rick Ankiel, there has never been anything false about hope.
LOL
I HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EMI HATE EM, I HATE EM, I HATE EM
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on Apr 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no, don't think so...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
i would like to see how much more coverage of the tarp i will get to enjoy
by from First to Third on Apr 12, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i find their programming
poignant and entertaining
i could not say that in real life without cracking up
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
shove it up dave duncans butt, do it
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on Apr 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
whos
coming up in the lineup next, wow swinging or looking?
by from First to Third on Apr 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Reyes is putting them awat
He appears to be working up in the zone with his 4-seamer.
Inside, he snickers in Dave Duncan's direction.
Anthony Reyes has always been good
It's not because he's in the bullpen or anything like that. The kid can pitch, period.
Stupid Fox
Hate em Hate em Hate em Hate em....
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
double by castillo
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
two out rey durham up
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
he was running to make the catch
and it ended up getting by him, but not by that much
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
It looked foul the whole way
and then landed right on the corner by the rf wall
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
holy crap this game is epic
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
what does the fan graph mean?
odd of winning the game at that point?
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
everyone bow down!
to the power of anthony reyes! dave duncan first.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
now that's funny.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
THAT'S A WINNER
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
nice
wow, cant wait to WATCH the next won
what a game, hope baseball tonight does it up well
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
Ladies and gentlemen
your 2008 St. Louis Cardinals.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Fox...
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
at least
we know the weather in new england so i f we have any plans to travel there in the next hour we know what to wear
by from First to Third on Apr 12, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I was missing something
I was trolling ESPN to find out if Stephon Marbury was more "now" than Bode Miller.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys its been great!
made this lame FOx crap way better. goodnight!
anthony reyes can pitch.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
Mr.dangpenquins...
I like your signature.....I thought I WAS the only/last Anthony Reyes fan! Well, me and the deadspin guy........I think he's being groomed as trade fodder though.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
what a game. now only if I could have watched it, since I've been just sitting around in my living room...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
YEAH, TIME FOR A COLD ONE!!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
make it a franklin
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Apr 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's
triple over .500... I don't think I remember the last time we had three times as many wins as losses. Definitely looking forward to seeing how well we can play against the Brewers next week.
man
this team reminds of the 04-05 juggernauts in that they never seem to be out of a game. I'm not saying they're nearly that good, but:
1) Carp still hasn't pitched yet
2) the kids are hitting
3) the kids are pitching too
4) Pujols has gotten red hot
OTOH we've been playing iffy teams so far....we blew out a lot of bad teams in 07 but got consistently clobbered by winning teams. But still.
but if we get more of those RISP, we'll be fine...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So long as
we're within striking distance by the All-Star break, I'll be pleased as punch.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm at work this saturday
and i just spent the whole day following gameday/VEB. who needs fox? GO CARDS
I'd like to thank Fox
for allowing us to watch such a great game...Oh wait. They didn't
thanks again
Pretty dang good.
Way to go A-Rey! You earned it. The first time this year to get out of an inning with runners on. That was key.
Great to see Duncan snap out of it. We'll probably see Barton tomorrow in Schumaker's place.
sounds reasonable to me...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No he got out of an inning in Houston stranding a runner at 3rd.
That's 2 times in a row. This time the game was on the line. Last time he kept the score tied.
I have told you all forever he's a much better pitcher than he's shown. And last year doesn't necessarily have much to do with this year. Maybe you all will believe me now.
Me and the Deadspin guy believe in Reyes.
I'm sure Mr. Duncan will find something wrong with today's performance. He got his results. with a little Izzy 'tude. And that's clutch.....no matter how you look at.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
He has a different game plan this year.
He stopped throwing that pitch that kept getting jacked with RISP last year. You know, that pitch that Duncan said he had to throw to have success at this level.
Instead he went back to the one he was comfortable throwing. The one Duncan thinks cannot get MLB hitters out.
So far Reyes & Mo > Duncan
My bad.
Thanks for the correction. I'm still reserving judgement with optimism. I would like to see him come in with runners on a time or two. I see it as a journey for him. If he can use this experience as a spring board the way Wainwright did, I think he can finally turn the corner.
Yes, indeed. Small sample size. But good looking sample size, no?
And the dude has been filling up the zone with strikes-even the outing he wasn't as sharp, he still threw strikes. That's a big turn around from last year. And he did that all spring too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
he's being more consistent
but i get tired of the wow he stuck it to dunc..If they really hated A rey that bad hed be gone. differences in opinion sure...They are all cards and all on the same team..I hope after every performance that goes well this year its not WAY TO SHOW EM...instead just nice job..
He hasnt been handled right, but last i checked he did get the opportunity to save it today so is that them not giving him a chance?
Oh and izzys mentorship going well..way to strand the tying run whew..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
That's us. Don't you know that part of the reason I really like
Anthony Reyes is because he never says anything about anything? He doesn't complain, he doesn't blame anyone. He has never said a word about what they wanted him to do or not do. Whatever he has said to management about his situation was surely not told to anyone in the press by him. It's why he's my favorite on the team and the one I want the most to do well.
But yeah, some of us were upset (I was) that LaRussa and Duncan wanted him demoted at the end of spring training-apparently to be punished for still being here, or something. Because I think most everyone agrees that his spring was pretty good, and that he is a better pitcher going forward than Jimenez is.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
good point
and i realize A Rey hasnt said anything iwas refering to the board abotu the stick it to em..Once or twice ya thats fine, but everytime he succeds? The ST issue was junk and you're right Jimenez is bleck at this point...
There are always two sides, and tonight he did well, but they put him in with the save chance when they didnt have to. He's still around cause someone wants him there, now who excatly is an issue of debate.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Agreed
I'll be glad when Reyes having a good outing is no longer noteworthy, and not just commonplace but also not worth wasting keyboard strokes on.
That being said: I like him in this role. He seems to be adjusting and doing well. Good on him.
Well who the hell can see forever?
I agree with the first part, in total.
I do have a question for you, though. Did you foresee Mr. Reyes making a quick adjustment to being a reliever? I did not. I still am hoping to see him in a typical relief appearance with one out and guys in scoring position. I am cleaarly rooting for him to succeed. I personally think that the bullpen is going to be an extremely good experience for him. I think it is a way for him to get confidence at the major league level while working through some of his past deficiencies. I haven't had an opportunity to actually watch him pitch this year, but I was encouraged by his offseason work on his mechanics and his return to his previous approach.
I for one did not see him adjusting quickly
just because of his see-saw majors history. So far in 08 it's been far more positive with a rey than neg.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Apr 12, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think he would adjust quickly. But I do happen to think he
learned a lot from his miserable last year, and he himself is determined to not have a repeat performance. There will be some bumps along the way, there is for every pitcher every year. One advantage in the pen is that he'll have to figure out right away what's going to work one batter at a time. But he has to be kept at ML level. He has never had a problem getting batters out in the minor league since his first short season.
I believe he's positioned for a breakout, and I'm pleased that Mr. LaRussa is giving him a chance. Because if he can turn around things from last year, he's a bonafide major league pitcher. You know, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.........
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Its a combination of things
Last year there was a very stong debate here. Basically people fell into 3 groups.
1: Reyes suckes and should be off the team
2: Duncan screwed up Reyes's mechanics and was responsible for his failure
3: Reyes was once promising but for some reason just flamed out like many other prospects.
Jill, I and a few others were strongly in the #2 group. So yes, when reyes talks abotu re-discovering what he used to do (pre duncan) and now suddenly looks good again, we are going to celebrate.
I have issues with Duncan trying to make every pitcher a clone. You work with their strengths, not force them to use their worst pitches just because you think thats what you are susposed to do.
I fall strongly into camp #2, as well.
I think that is pretty evident by my comments on the subject. Duncan is what he is, and he's not going to change. The question I have is, why would the club even bother with pitchers that don't fit his profile? If Anthony was clearly a flyball pitcher, why did they tout him as their best prospect?
I believe, as I've seen jillsinmo say many times, Reyes' best bet is going to be with another organization. I think the Cards could use him, but the current regime will not. So I, like you, will continue to cheer for his every good outting. With any luck, someone with a less rigid coaching style will see the kid's talent and decide to give us a solid MIF prospect in return for him.
Um, New York Mets anyone? He would slot in perfectly in their rotation.
Right now. Who is Mr. Wright blocking? Who is Mr. J. Reyes blocking? Aaron Heilman anyone? Mike Pelfrey throws a sinking fastball.........
I can imagine Rick Peterson salivating at the chance to get his hands on a right handed Oliver Perez.........
Atlanta, anyone? Glavine and Smoltz are old; Juerjjens is young; James is back in the minors-he has not recovered well from his injured shoulder. Hudson seems like the only sure bet going forward. Brent Lillibridge? Kelly Johnson? Some higher ceiling prospect from A?
It's a bad situation. And yeah, I'm in the #2 camp. I don't think Mr. Duncan ever believed in Reyes. That's why he was told to change. ...and when he couldn't they took it as wouldn't-which leaves you with a player that doesn't trust his coach and a coach that doesn't trust his player. Thus, whatever #23 does, there is still something he didn't do right...
Wow, I said I wouldn't post about it anymore.........does this make me a liar, or just weak?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Ah, I goaded you into it.
It's not your fault. As I said, I don't really think it makes sense to blame Duncan in that everyone knows who he is and what he wants as a coach. I don't understand the reasoning behind supplying him with a pitcher that can't fit his desired profile. Jockety should have known better, and maybe Mr. Luhnow, as well. (Potential reason for the rift?). As I stated before the season, it was interesting how Duncan and Dyar Millar got into it over Reyes. It seems like Reyes did everything he could, and it wasn't good enough.
You did goad me.......
But....it is also Mr. Duncan's responsiblilty to get the best out of the players the organization provides him-even if they are not quite what he prefers. And maybe, just maybe, there are folks in the organization that WANT that starting rotation diversified.
Realize too that he fell into their lap, 15th round, injured, bonus too small to even be listed, and that at one time a lot of folks thought we got the steal of the 2003 draft-which still holds in some respect-he's the only 15 th rounder that year that's even made the majors. They should have quietly traded him for something they wanted. I hope they learned they should NEVER let out a word that they consider a player less than desireable.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Thanks for the background.
I didn't know all of his draft history. It does make you wonder whose call it was not to trade him after the '06 World Series. It seems like we could have gotten something for him back then. Your point about Duncan not running him down publicly is well taken. The man seems to have a considerable amount of respect in the league, similar to Mazzone; so if he publicly says he doesn't think he is currently a major league pitcher, it carries some weight. That is a serious mistake.
these boys won't quit
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta showcase the goods
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll see
i bet he feels like a jerk after screwing over izzy. Albert doesn't come across as a guy who would take a day off after ending the previous game on a sour note.
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
What a super-awesome game. I love it. Terrible timing, FOX.
In the unlikely story that is Rick Ankiel, there has never been anything false about hope.
but, but, high school basketball.....
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
VERY, VERY odd indeed
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
never understood that rule
Izzy getting the win while he's already been pinch-hit for before the Cards score...
why not give reyes both a win and a save? I think he probably deserved it on this one...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Nobel Prize for pitching
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the pitcher who threw the half inning before their team took the lead. You probably already know it, but wins and saves are not awarded on merit, they're totally arbitrary. Well, unless the starter goes less than 5, but even then, he could be the most deserving, but the win has to be awarded to someone else. The rules don't make any sense.
Did you notice
that Izzy has four W's in each of the last two years? I guess the Cards love to bail the guy out.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't bailed out today
Izturis and Kennedy really should have turned that DP (understandable) but Pujols has no excuse for letting that ball go right under his glove. If we had lost this game, the goats probably would have been Skippy and Pujols.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 12, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
so, my rebate check is going to a game in st. louis, and a game in milwaukee...
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, fuck my bills, I gotta see dem '08 CARDS!
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Brew Crew
they beat Johan Santana and the Mets today 5-3.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, he made me look like a jerk (well , technically I did it myself)
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
just never stare at his photo for too long, or else the abyss may stare back
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
well
veb'ers good game, cya round, go cards!
by from First to Third on Apr 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
2 Run HR Pedro Feliz...
Ted Lilly, welcome back to earth
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
all right, time for some beer and some BSG
Ankiel is Jesus!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
What a fun game to watch
I feel sorry for those of you that couldn't see it. The 'Pump up the crowd' video before the bottom of the 9th was fun.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
i'm watching the Cubs, hopefully watching them lose
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me this guy doesn't look EXACTLY like Jason LaRue
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
PS: If you can name what movie that's from, you win
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
office space
Here's the deal, I'm the best there is, plain and simple, I mean I wake up every morning and I kiss excellence, and nobody can hang with my stuff, uh, you know I'm just a, just a big hairy American winning machine.....
winner!
...just a bit outside....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 12, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
im gonna need you to come in on Saturday
yea thatd be greaaat
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
well dang it....I left
for the 9th and 10th and missed my prediction coming true with my man Ludwick!!! (well sorta, should have won it there).
GO LUDWICK....he should be an everyday starter like Ankiel.
hey man
i gave you your props, look up earlier. i remembered.
I am the only/last Anthony Reyes fan!
by dangpenguins on Apr 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you are all welcome
it was only after i left to get some dinner & turned off Gameday (actually it crashed on me before i could turn it off, talk about a good omen!) that the Cards bats woke up & they won this game.
i will never follow the Cards on Gameday again. every time i do, bad things happen.
big props to DUNK & Anthony. keep on keeping on boys.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Just got home from the game
And that was a great one! I didn't think last night could be topped, but wow.
Some of you
should be ashamed of yourselves. If you don't know what I'm talking about go back to the first game thread.
Great win!
Proud President of the Unofficial Skip Schumaker Fan Club!
(now accepting applications)
just watched the highlights
and duncs hit to put them ahead was pretty going the other way..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
site changes
with the site changes im surprised there is still no ie logo in my favs. I mentioned it before the changes and am not smart enough to make one myself. It's not vital, but it'd be neat.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
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