play ball, take 2
well, jeff francis was pleased w/ the rainout anyway.
troy tulowitzki was happy too. he tells the rocky mtn news he was initially frustrated when schumaker robbed him of extra bases in the first inning yesterday, but with the game having been rained out he’s now happy that schu made the grab --- because you hate to lose a double in a rainout.
yesterday’s cancellation ain’t nothing compared to the non-opener the cardinals played back in 1965, launching the defense of their first world title in 18 years. cubs vs cards at wrigley --- no lights at the ballpark. gibson on the mound against his ex-teammate larry jackson, who was coming off a 24-win season and a 2d-place cy young finish. the visiting cardinals drove jackson from the mound in the top of the first with 5 runs --- the last 3 of which were pure gifts (bases-loaded walk, followed by two-run error). but the cubs came back with pairs in the 2d and the 3d; the cards added 2 in the 4th, but the cubs got ‘em right back in the bottom half (and drove gibson from the game). tracy stallard, making his st louis debut, threw 4.1 innings of shutout relief and reached the 9th inning with a 9-6 lead. he got the first two men out, then gave up a walk and single ahead of ernie banks. red schoendienst, managing his first big-league game, went to barney schultz; he gave up a game-tying 3-run clout to banks, and the game went into extras.
cards took the lead in the 11th on an rbi single by brock; schultz went back out in the 11th and blew this lead as well on a single, passed ball, groundout, and double. he then hit the showers; steve carlton came in, making his major-league debut, and walked george altman; he then yielded to bob purkey (making his st louis debut), who got out of the inning with the 10-10 tie intact.
at which point they called the game on account of darkness.
all the stats counted in that case, because it was a regulation game (ie, more than 5 innings) with no winner. nowadays, i believe they’d declare it a suspended game (rather than a tie) and resume it the next day. that season opener lasted 4 hours and 19 minutes, yet both teams came back the next day with 0-0 records and 162 games left on the slate. that was red schoendienst’s first big-league managerial decision --- a tie. i never knew till just now.
i stumbled across that game while looking for the last instance in which the cardinals opened against a starting pitcher who’d spent the previous year on their roster (as they’ll do today, vs kip wells). it so happens they’ve never done it --- or at least, never since 1956, which is as far back as retrosheet’s box scores go. the closest they came was in 1960, when they faced the giants and sam jones --- but sam had already spent a full season removed from the birds-on-bat by then. there also was a game (1988) when the winning pitcher in relief was a member of the previous year's bullpen, but that doesn't count. not even close. today may very well be a franchise first.
the cards will be opening up with a pitcher who’s making his first start in a st louis uniform, kyle lohse. that has happened on rare occasions, most recently in 2000 when newly acquired darryl kile pitched on opening day. he threw 6 innings of 2-hit, 1-run ball and got the win (the first of 20 that year). andy benes pitched his first game for the cards on opening day 1996 --- left the mound with a 6-3 lead but watched the bullpen blow it and took a no-decision. that was tony la russa’s first game as a cardinal manager.
and just the year before that --- the first game for rookie g.m. walter jocketty --- the opening-day starter was a just-reacquired pitcher, ken hill, beginning his 2d tour of duty in st louis. he pitched 4 rocky innings and got no decision.
back to darryl kile for a second. until wells (7-17 last year) makes his start for colorado today, kile stands as the last major-league pitcher to start an opening-day game the year after he lost 17 or more games --- and he did it for the rockies. darryl went 13-17 in 1998, then opened the colorado’s 1999 slate with a win over the padres. the last 17-game loser to start the following year’s opening day for a team other than the rockies? fernando valenzuela. he went 12-17 in 1984 but pitched well (3.03 era) and was just the victim of poor support. he opened the 1985 campaign with 7 innings of 2-run ball (both runs unearned) but took another loss, 2-1 to nolan ryan. . . . . .
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Gagne gets the W
With this line: 1 IP, 3 ER, 1 SO, 1 BB, 1 HR
So, blowing a save by giving up a three-run HR to tie the game nets you a win...
by bgh on Apr 1, 2008 8:47 AM EDT 0 recs
Yep.
Kinda a dumb rule. But they can't all be prefect. Closers are judge by saves and blown saves anway.
by Evilfrog on
Apr 1, 2008 8:50 AM EDT
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The fault lies not with the scoring
but with people who take saves too seriously. Any counting stat has the potential to be deceptive. (Well, actually, so does any rate stat.)
by StanTheManFan on
Apr 1, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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no
I'd say this was a failure of the scorekeepers. They should have used the "did not pitch effectively" rule to give the W to Riske. Or even sheets- I'm not familiar enough with the rule to remember if they can give it to anyone they want, or if the "selected" winning pitcher when the person in line for the W did not "pitch effectively" has to have pitched after taking the lead...
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on
Apr 1, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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Rule 10.17
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.
By those comments I think he did in effect "earn" the win, but I do agree, the "less than an inning" comment is where it gets hazy.
by StLHugo on
Apr 1, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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ah
I didn't realize there was an "inning pitched" component to the effectiveness rule. So I guess, because he pitched a FULL inning, he was "effective"; the scorers got it right, and it's the rule itself that is bad.
Boo.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
by SleepyCA on
Apr 1, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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just one reason
why wins and losses is a stupid way to evaluate a pitcher.
by houstoncardinal on
Apr 1, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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Yeah, but I don't think
many people --even the ones who do put too much emphasis on W/L -- pay much attention to relief pitcher wins and losses. The "vulture" phenomenon is well understood even by the dumbest old-school sportswriter.
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Apr 1, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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When does Wainwright start next?
Do you bump him up a day after the PPD Opening Day?
by bgh on Apr 1, 2008 8:56 AM EDT 0 recs
The P-D says
either Saturday or Sunday, not yet decided.
by vinniefromjersey on
Apr 1, 2008 9:03 AM EDT
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Thanks
So, keeping him on rotation as if he threw 6 or 7 innings on Monday (and still had the off day today).
by bgh on
Apr 1, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
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Anyone?
Anyone know the game time?
"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"
by Calhoun on Apr 1, 2008 9:01 AM EDT 0 recs
Kinda sucks
Was looking forward to a day game oh well.
"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"
by Calhoun on Apr 1, 2008 9:05 AM EDT 0 recs
The 10-10 Game
Mike Shannon talks about the 10-10 game on the air often; he was talking about it yesterday after the game was rained out (circa 6:30 on KTRS).
He says he was 0-5 and the season hadn't started, so he was already in a hole (the game didn't count but the stats did). Not to bust his story, but he was actually 0-4 with two walks, per the box score link provided by Larry.
So at a minimum Mike remembers that game.
Dave
by SydneyDave on Apr 1, 2008 9:15 AM EDT 0 recs
10-10
I can remember Shannon talking about that game on numerous occasions, too. I believe at times he has laughed that he went 0 for 6 before the season even started. Even if his memory is faulty, starting the season in an 0 for 4 hole has to be a bite in the butt.
Another thing I remember about that game (I’m old enough to have listened to it on the radio and for some reason remember parts of that particular game) was Schoendienst going to the mound to talk to a pitcher, walking back to the dugout, then at the baseline remembering something else he wanted to add. He turned back to the pitcher and walked some of the way to the mound and the umpires told him he had to remove the pitcher for a second trip in an inning.
Big argument. I could be wrong, but that might have been the first season with the rule stating a second trip to the mound required the pitcher’s removal from the game. I bet some of you don’t even realize managers used to be able to make multiple visits to the mound within an inning to talk to the same pitcher. On this occasion Schoendienst argued long and loud that it was the same trip, not two separate trips. He lost the debate.
Quite a game for the Redhead’s first time out as a manager.
And maybe the game that taught me, as a 10-year-old, that there is just something about the Cards and the Cubs in Wrigley Field.
by Youneverknow on
Apr 1, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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Tabbing throught comments
I saw on yesterday's thread some guys commenting on changing the comments from yellow to white after you read them...if you use the c and x keys to tab through it works great.
C takes you to the next unread/yellow comment, and when you read it X changes it to read/white. I have found this tool quite handy!
Sorry if this has already been posted, but I didn't see it in with the comments I'm referring to.
Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!
by cardzfanbub on Apr 1, 2008 9:20 AM EDT 0 recs
Z
someone posted something about the Z key yesterday too, it does what C and X does in one button, makes the current comment as read (changes to white) and moves to the next yellow one.
by StLHugo on
Apr 1, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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Even more handy..
Thanks StLHugo...
BTW your April fools joke isn't very funny!
Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!
by cardzfanbub on
Apr 1, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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nice!
Looks like I should've read the instructions a little more carefully. Thanks.
by effin fisk on
Apr 1, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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Another positive
The Rockies aren't going to move Aaron Cook up to start tonight.....they're planning to start Kip Wells.....giggle, snicker......
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by cardsfanindenver on Apr 1, 2008 9:37 AM EDT 0 recs
All's well that ends Wells' outing quickly today.
Kip Wells' last outing of spring training was a win on March 27, in which Wells gave up a run on 3 hits, including a triple, in three innings. He walked none and struck out 2.
In his last outing before that, on March 23, Wells gave up 2 runs in 4 IP. He allowed 5 H, including a triple, he walked 1, and he struck out 4.
So in his last 7 IP Wells has 6 K's, only 1 BB, and 3 ER allowed, on 8 hits. If he pitches that well vs. the Cards, he could keep the Rockies in the game, at least.
Yes, I know, he looked great last spring, then stunk up the place. But he is capable of a very good start, if he doesn't psych himself out too much....
We'd best not count our chicks before they hatch, even though Lohse looked very good in his last two spring training outings.
by CardsWin on
Apr 1, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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Not counting any chicks....
Even with those stats, he lost out on a rotation spot to Mark Redman. I think perhaps that speaks to how much (or little) faith the Rockies have in him.
An analogy: Kip Wells -- decent start = blind squirrel - manages to find a few nuts.
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.
by cardsfanindenver on
Apr 1, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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LMAO
Good analogy...
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
by nomar34 on
Apr 1, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Key Rockies hitters career stats vs. Lohse
OF Scott Podsednik: 8-for-21, 4 2B … .381 AVG./409 OBP/.571 SLG
1B Todd Helton: 3-for-7, 1 HR, 0 K … .429/.556/1.000
OF Matt Holliday: 2-for-5, 1 2B, 1 K … .400/.500/.600
SS Troy Tulowitzki: 2-for-5, 1 HR, 1 K … .400/.400/1.200
OF Brad Hawpe: 2-for-4, 2 K … .500/.600/.500
by CardsWin on
Apr 1, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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Odds on Kipper's
reception and performance in tonight's game?
I'm betting his performance is better than his reception!
by houstoncardinal on Apr 1, 2008 10:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Encouraging my friend to bring...
A acronym sign.
Why
Expectations
Lowered
Last
Season
His picture is right next to Estaban Yan's on my dartboard. Rationality and common courtesy go out the window when either of those names are mentioned around me.
by Merry CRasmus on
Apr 1, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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i like the matchup
good old worthless wells against lohse... i cringed every time last year when wells would take the mound. kinda like whenever molina comes to bat. we should have a good game today.
by krippledmaster on Apr 1, 2008 10:35 AM EDT 0 recs
Aaron Heilman
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on
Apr 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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watch what you say
molina is the greatest hitter in the history of the world.
by Molina4MVP on
Apr 1, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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Highlights?
I was listening on XM here at work and didn't get to see any highlights on ESPN last night (if they even showed any.) I particularly wanted to see Schumaker's catch and Pujols' HR. The official site doesn't seem to have highlights, I guess because the game didn't count. Does anyone know where I can find the highlights?
by birdjam on Apr 1, 2008 10:50 AM EDT 0 recs
Skippy's Catch
Was #4 in last night's Sportscenter Top Plays
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.
by Hollywood15 on
Apr 1, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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Minnesota Twins "Livan Hernandez"
I watched the Twins game last night and boy did Livan look good. If he can pitch the way he did last night consistently the Twins might have gotten a steal at 1 year $5 mill.
7IP/7H/2ER/0BB/1SO
He is just fun to watch! He definintely knows how to pitch, it's nice seeing a guy who gets a lot out of what he has.
by ICbirdfan on Apr 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT 0 recs
Agreed on Livan
I forgot which batter he was pitching to, but he threw up a 59 mph change-up and made the batter look really bad. He is definitely crafty. Did he lose weight or is it my imagination? I am just bothered by players (esp. pitchers) who don't look like a professional athlete (e.g. Boomer, Colon)
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster (to / on David Letterman)
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on
Apr 1, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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Livan
I think he did lose a few pounds. He looked huge at the end of last season. I remember seeing the 59 MPH change, I can't remember but I thought Garrett Anderson was the hitter.
speaking of big pitchers, remember Rich Garces aka.. EL Guapo. He as huge
by ICbirdfan on
Apr 1, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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He has lost some weight. He did look good last night.
Livan just needs to eat innings and keep them in games-some stability for the Twins. I do believe they will get what they paid for. I watched the Padres/Astros gamealso. I want me an eff-u pitcher like Oswalt and Peavy. Both magnificent with Peavy coming out on top. Drove in 2 runs too.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Apr 1, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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hey jill
i also would like to see us get an eff-u pitcher, and other than carp, i cant think of one the cards have really had since gibson, can you? maybe andujar at times or matt morris the season he won 22, the only other guy i can think of is ankiel at the end of 2000
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on
Apr 1, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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I can't think of one. But I think Brad Penny is set to be a free agent.
He's one IMO Ben Sheets and Rich Harden would look nice, but both are serious injury risks. I think John Maine has a little of it in him too. I'm watching him this year to see if he ups the eff-u meter a notch. Matt Cain turned into one last half of last season-talk about W/L record not being reflective of a pitchers ability-he's the poster child.
I don't think Mr. LaRussa and Mr. Duncan prefer those type of pitchers-that, and the cost, is partly why we don't have one. It would be interesting to see if Mr. Mozeliak trys to get one of those types.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Apr 1, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
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penny
he is a guy that i have always thought would be a good fit for the cards, and he is definitely an eff-u guy; maybe if we let mulder, clement, and looper go this offseason we could afford him
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on
Apr 1, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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He has a long term deal with San Diego. I doubt they are even thinking of
trading him. What a fun guy to watch........
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Apr 1, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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And, being the idiot that I sometimes am, I misread your
saying "Penny" as "Peavy". What a dolt....sorry. Penny, yeah, I like him a lot.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
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Apr 1, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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I'm surprised that Penny
is only 30. I feel like he should be 34 or 35; I guess because he got started so early, he seems like he's been around forever. Anyway I can't imagine the dodgers are going to let him get to FA, at least after this year. They have a team option on him for '09 for just $9.5M, which is tiny in today's dollars.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado
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Apr 1, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Danny Cox in the mid-'80s
..was definitely an "eff u" type pitcher.
He was big, and mean, and intimidating on the mound, and he had one great season but like many of the best Birds' arms since the mid-'70s, arm injuries ruined a promising career.
One great story I semi-remember has him leaving the team between starts during the season to go back somewhere in Georgia to kick his brother in law's ass after he found out he'd been wronging his (Cox's) sister.....
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Just found a couple great Cox anecdotes
via the miracle of the Interweb.
On Aug. 1, 1983, the Cardinals played the Orioles in the annual "Hall of Fame" exhibition game in Cooperstown, and Cox---at the time a pitcher for Triple-A Louisville---was tabbed by the big-league club to be the starter. From "The Cardinals Encyclopedia":
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A star was born. Cox shut out the Orioles on three hits in six innings, struck out four batters, and walked one. He faced just 19 batters, one more than the minimum. "That big sonofabuck has got some damn good stuff," pitching coach Hub Kittle said.
Asked how long it would take Cox to reach the big leagues, Herzog quipped, "About three or four days." Turned out Herzog wasn't joking after all. Cox was promoted to the Cardinals on August 4. In his first game, Cox opposed Philadelphia lefty Steve Carlton and threw 10 shutout innings against teh Phillies before Cards closer Bruce Sutter lost it 1-0 in the 11th inning.
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You think something like that could ever happen in 2008?
More from "The Cardinals Encyclopedia":
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Following his 18th victory of the 1985 season, Cox took a personal trip home to Warner Robins, Georgia, to punch out a former brother-in-law who allegedly had been threatening Cox's sister and parents. Apparently some teeth were loosened in the encounter----and not Cox's teeth.
"I started it; I finished it," Cox said. "It only took two punches... A man's got to do what a man's got to do."
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Apr 1, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Extra Innings
To make matters worse from yesterday, the 2 makeup games (Cards/Yanks) haven't been added to extra innings package yet. So, one less game this year I get to see for $160.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 1, 2008 1:51 PM EDT 0 recs
Did they say they wont
Or is it that it's just not showing up yet?
You know how Directv is.
by Harknights on
Apr 1, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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I've had my television on the schedule screen all day
and it hasn't been updated. They are usually atleast pretty good at updating that.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 1, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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other way?
Is there a way to tell besides this link?
http://www.indemand.com/sports/mlb/schedule/schedule.jsp
It is still the free preview and I was hoping to watch the game.
by jroman on
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...just found this link on stltoday
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=1800011&page=Packages/MLBExtraInnings/2008_4.htm
It shows two feeds for tonight, Col and StL
by StLHugo on
Apr 1, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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interesting
i hope it is the same on the cable companies.
by jroman on
Apr 1, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
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my cable company
still hasn't added the last four channels (GAME11-GAME14) which I remember being a problem for a brief time last year, too. so I haven't even subscribed to the package yet. and the rest of the Rockies series is scheduled to be on GAME11 I believe, so I won't be able to see any of this series as it stands now.
by madding on
Apr 1, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Well, if you don't subscribe
but this weekend, you don't get the $40 discount.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on
Apr 1, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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I'm still planning on subscribing
I'll probably wait until tomorrow to call them and complain about the missing channels. I'm sure they'll have no idea what I'm talking about, though.
by madding on
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Astros fans have to be pissed
tonights game isn't being offered by Extra Innings (it is on Direct TV) and that isn't even a rain out.
InDemand Schedule
19:05 Toronto NY Yankees GAME7 YES GAME ADDED / resched from 3/31
19:10 NY Mets Florida GAME10 SUN
20:10 LA Angels Minnesota GAME9 FSNO
20:15 Colorado St. Louis GAME12 FSMW GAME ADDED / resched from 3/31
22:07 Boston Oakland GAME8 CSN-BA Available in HD on GAMEHD
22:10 San Francisco LA Dodgers GAME7 FSPRIME
22:10 Texas Seattle GAME10 FSNW
DirecTV schedule
Mets at Marlins (Mets Feed) 7:00 pm 722 722-1
Mets at Marlins (Marlins Feed) 7:00 pm 723
Blue Jays at Yankees (Bonus Cam Feed) 7:00 pm 733
Angels at Twins (Angels Feed) 8:00 pm 724 724-1
Angels at Twins (Twins Feed) 8:00 pm 725 725-1
Rockies at Cardinals (Cardinals Feed) 8:00 pm 734 734-1
Rockies at Cardinals (Rockies Feed) 8:00 pm 735
Astros at Padres 10:00 pm 726
Red Sox at Athletics (Red Sox Feed) 10:00 pm 727 727-1
Red Sox at Athletics (Athletics Feed) 10:00 pm 728 728-1
Giants at Dodgers (Dodgers Feed) 10:00 pm 729 729-1
Rangers at Mariners (Rangers Feed) 10:00 pm 730 730-1
Rangers at Mariners (Mariners Feed) 10:00 pm 731 731-1
Astros at Padres (Astros Feed) 10:00 pm 732
Astros at Padres (Astros Feed)
EDIT: TONIGHTS CARDS GAME WILL BE GAME 12 on Extra Innings. The pdf on getbaseball.com has been updated.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
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Apr 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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At least
your system offers EI; my local Comcast doesn't, for whatever reason. Satellite is not an option for me, either, because A) my apt. complex doesn't allow dishes, and B) even if they did, it's just not financially feasible for me.
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
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One last prediction
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344508,00.html
I'd be very happy if the Cards win 80 games. Brewers win Division with 84 wins. We'll just have to wait and see.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 1, 2008 2:19 PM EDT 0 recs
terrified
yesterday's great start and postponement combined with wells starting tonight terrifies me as an overly superstitious fan. i can only expect that wells will have an abnormally effective outing and the bats get frustrated. i hope i'm wrong.
It could be worse, you could be on fire.
by themanthemyth on Apr 1, 2008 2:47 PM EDT 0 recs
LOL Same here..
it just seems like a bad omen.
Hopefully we'll be proven wrong and the Cards will rough Wells up and Lohse will pitch well.
...just a bit outside....
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Anyone interested in joining me at the game?
I came out from California for the game, and my mom and two of my brothers came with last night; however, the game was rained out and they had to go back to Illinois today.
I have four seats and only one butt. I paid $35 for the tickets (which are upper deck tickets, so perhaps a little pricey) but I'd just like to recoup some of my loss and have someone to sit with at the game. If anyone is interested, please call me at 661 900 7535.
I hope I didnt' violate any rules by posting this - I can't remember for sure but I seem to recall a prohibition against peddling stuff here. I'm not a merchant - just a fan flying solo for the evening with tickets to spare.
Clayton
by lawman3842 on Apr 1, 2008 3:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Since the update...
Since the update to SB Nation I've been looking around at other baseball blogs and have noticed what a classy operation VEB is. This is one of the reasons why I love the Cardinals and St. Louis, we really do have some great fans. Perhaps our upbeat demeanor has been helped by having such a great team to follow. I guess I'm just glad to be able to follow such a great blog that has such high standards. So thank you lboros, azruavatar, houstoncardinal, and the red baron as well as a lot of the commenters on here. I have watched many games with all of you and am looking forward to another season with VEB.
by davethebutcher on Apr 1, 2008 4:50 PM EDT 0 recs
One lost stat the Cards are happy about
Tulo had a steal on Yadi. I bet Yadi is glad that he doesn't open the season 0-1 in CS, but it cost him a few RBIs.
by StLHugo on Apr 1, 2008 4:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Spezio
Am I right, now that Spezio signed with the Braves, the Cards are no longer on the hook for his current contract?
by Knubb on Apr 1, 2008 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs
Good question
I thought since ours was an outright release, we are still on the hook for the contractually agreed to salary no matter what, and the Braves can sign him for whatever Speezer agrees to, including as little as the MLB minimum if he gets promoted from the minors.
Anybody know for sure?
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by Mr Clean on
Apr 1, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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The Cardinals are paying him
Since the cardinals gave him his outright release.
by gonzostl on
Apr 1, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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Could they have voided his contract...
...given that he was in trouble with the law? The Rockies got out of most of Neagle's contract that way after he got busted with a prostitute.
by Perry on
Apr 1, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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I wonder that too. I can guess they wouldn't want everything to keep coming up.
And a lawsuit with the players union.
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by jillsinmo on
Apr 1, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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Yeaqh, it's not like it's a conract as crippling
as the Neagle disaster.
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by Valatan on
Apr 1, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Anyone else having trouble staying logged in?
Everytime I close my browser and come back to the site, I have to re-click 'Log in' and log back in to see new posts, make new posts, etc.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 1, 2008 5:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Hardcore, it's some sort of vodoo cyber-curse.......
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by jillsinmo on
Apr 1, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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hey HL
have you tried the "remember me" button? i was having the same problem, then did that, and havent had to sign in again since
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
by bigcardsfan5 on
Apr 1, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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