Joe Buck ends an era.
It was announced that Joe Buck will not be calling any games for the Cardinals in 2008. Which will end a 54 year run with a Buck (Jack/Joe) in the booth calling games for the Cardinals.
The legendary Jack Buck called games from 1954-2001, missing only the 1960 season. Joe Buck had been a part of Cardinals broadcasts since 1991 but has only done a handfull of games in recent years for Fox Sports Midwest.
I know there are many with mixed opinions of Joe's call of the games, but I for one will miss hearing him do a Cards broadcast as a Cardinals announcer instead of his national network "persona" which is not the "real" Joe Buck in my opinion. Joe's announcing was alot better when he did Cards games for the Cardinals as opposed to his "non-bias" national broadcast persona.
Listening to Joe & Mike Shannon do games on KMOX in the mid 90's brings back some good memories, and I wish Joe would have stayed to take his father's position instead of going off to be Fox's #1 football/baseball guy. But I guess I can't blame Joe for going for a bigger payday to support his family.
Joe filmed a pilot for Fox for a late-night show awhile back. Maybe he is looking to get more into the entertainment buisness, or maybe he is going to film some more "Slam a lama ding dong" commericals. I just hope he doesn't forget his "roots" and might consider coming back to the Cardinals in the future as a radio play by play announcer.
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I'm a little sad to hear this too...I guess that means we have 162 games of Al acting like Dan is some dumb shit...Sweet.
by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 5, 2008 8:15 AM EST reply actions
Horton
Rick Horton...
by mynameistyler on Mar 5, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Horton
Example: I remember once he started complaining for about 4 weeks straight that the reason outfielders don't make perfect throws every time is that they don't take pregame anymore. And then McKay told him they do MORE throwing in the system they use, but Al kept up with his no pre-game kick for another few months.
Example 2: He's convinced ice is bad b/c Gibson didn't use it, but Koufax did. Therefore, b/c Koufax's career ended early, ice is bad.
The guy is unbearable. Horton stinks too, but he at least has a reasonable opinion of his own knowledge.
by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 5, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen Mc Carver
I have also sensed a little hostility towards the Cards in his announcing though but I can understand why. Mc Carver had a good career and was clutch in his hitting and defense. I remember him well and he was great at getting a hit when you really needed it. He was a "big play" kind of guy. Kinda' like Biggio.
He was a great Cardinal and should be remembered as such but unfortunately there was a lot of bitterness in his departure (mostly not of his fault) and he has never been celebrated in old time events as he should.
But as a long time Card fan he provided me with as many thrills as most of the other greats I remember. I guess that is why I am a little forgiving is his faults as an announcer.
As good as Joe Buck is as an announcer . . .
McCarver
For more information, see here....
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/01/youre-better-as-pop-culturist-chuck.html
Wow...
Do you not like Tims broadcasting?
by cardschinmusic on Mar 6, 2008 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Touche
Hey, at least you got the gist of what I was saying...I guess that puts me one step ahead of McCarver, right? Right?
...I hear you...
McCarver drives me nuts when he uses the "voice of ominous doom and undoing" and implies that some routine hit, out or error in the game is the single event the whole game will turn on because he was so painfully observant and then deeply informative in pointing it out for us.
Its the voice that other announcers reserve for a rare and horrible collision in center when neither player can get up....Tim Mc likes to use it several times per inning.
by cardschinmusic on Mar 7, 2008 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
See!
by cardschinmusic on Mar 7, 2008 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Incredible observation
By the way,
Do not doubt...
by cardschinmusic on Mar 8, 2008 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
It seems like every game he loudly says . . .
I agree with just about all the
But I will say this: Now and then I do learn something valuable from McCarver, i.e., he will point out some detail of play that never occurred to me before.
Joe Morgan, OTOH, is a guy who I've never learned anything from, and in fact I think it makes me less intelligent just to listen to him. He's definitely the biggest tool in the drawer.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 5, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Morgan
The gospel according to Joe...Billy Beane's teams will never win b/c they don't bunt when they're down 9-3. Gary Sheffield was the reason the Tigers didn't win the World Series last year, the absence of his .850 OPS cost them dearly. The Yankees rock. There are no great teams anymore, just a lot of mediocre 95-100 win squads. And so on, and so on...
He's a HOF announcer...yeesh.
by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 5, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
mccarver
On joe buck leaving, it was only a matter of time. He is Mr. Fox now, he can call the big games and that's it, less work more money.
Not to nitpick
by Futility Infielder on Mar 6, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Problem With McCarver
- He doesn't know what a spike curve is. He thinks it's a curve with a sharp break (e.g. an off the table curve).
- He doesn't understand the 45 degree rule of thumb with respect to balks by LHPs.
always liked joe.
After seeing the Marlins' TV team,
Well, I will never complain about Dan 'n' Al much.
For what it is worth
I, too, grew up
Got to agree
Run Down on Baseball Announcers
Jack Buck
Harry Caray
Curt Gowdy
Vin Scully
Mel Allen
Ernie Harwell
Red Barber
I think the Dan and Al do an acceptable job on FSN, which is where I watch most of my Cardinal baseball (finally in HD this summer -- can't WAIT!!!)
I'm not a fan of McCarver either, he's just to nit-picky and callous for me. I really wish they would have offered Steve Lyons or Kevin Kennedy his job way back when Fox got that contract -- those guys bring a lot more to the game than McCarver and don't tend to beat a dead horse until it's in pieces.
I will miss hearing Joe call some of the Cardinal games for sure. He is a top-notch baseball announcer, but I wish he'd hang up the football microphone -- he and Aikman during the Super Bowl were so bad that we turned off the audio and listened to Marv Albert call the game on Westwood One.
HD yes
BTW, it isn't on the official schedule (pops), but my set-top box shows next monday's game vs ATL as a broadcast on FSN. Hopefully in HD.
Actually
Ernie Harwell...
by mynameistyler on Mar 5, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
End of an era
I think that the Bucks are a major reason why the teams fans are considered "The most knowledgeable fans in baseball". They fostered a culture where we wanted to know everthing about the team, players and the game itself. They both engaged and entertained the fans in a way that made you want to be a Cards fan.
Sad day but I wish Joe the best and we'll still get to hear him on national broadcasts. I doubt I'll see it but I bet when he's in town at a game he will stop by the booth for a in-game interview. That's when it will happen, in the middle of an answer there will be a base hit and without missing a beat he'll jump back into play by play mode and start calling the action without letting either of the other broadcaster a chance to butt in. It would be nice, even if it is just for one play.
by That's a Winner on Mar 5, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Joe seems to be
Any chance
I don't hear a lot of opinion expressed on Al's play calling. Is anyone else as anoyed by him as I am?
by Stanfan6 on Mar 5, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I have a fondness for
Al's not great, but we could have it a lot worse
I like Al more Rick Horton, Tim McCarver, Joe Morgan, and a lot of the other ESPN analysts.
Yes
by Bird Watcher on Mar 5, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Love the Bucks
I too hope he'll one day go full circle and come back to the birds on bat.
by Birdos in Mexico on Mar 5, 2008 2:10 PM EST reply actions
this is really lame news
Vin Scully would have to be my all-time favorite.
Joe Buck and others
Tim McCarver was a great Cardinal. We wouldn't have won the 64 WS without him. He really produced at the plate, even though his catching skills were not the best.
As an announcer he has always shown disfavor for the Cardinals. I think he is stil mad about being traded. Additionally, he is like Joe Theismann and Ron Jaworski in football, they can't stop talking about themselves and they assume that everyone in the audience is an idiot. They just won't SHUT UP!!!
Al and Dan are boring, but they are Cardinals and that's important to me. And never doubt for one minute that Al Hraboski is a Cardinal through and through. I think Rick Horton does a great job. I'm all for him.
We Cardinals have been blessed with some of the greatest announcers of all time. Jack, Harry, Joe Garagiola, Bob Costas, Joe Buck, Mike Shannon, John Rooney, Jay Randolph and on and on.
Harry was a great announcer with the Cardinals, but as a Cub, he was simply annoying and a bafoon.
Mike Shannon, under the careful watch of Jack Buck has become one of the deans of Baseball announcers and is now ready to take hos place in the HOF--He's definitely one of the best.
by MikeCard6 on Mar 5, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions
Al
Now we just need to get the Mad Hungarian to stop broadcasting games. I've talked to many many people and 90 percent of them feel the way I do about Al. None of us can stand him. Listening to the constant name dropping and the dumb downed comments he makes about the game absolutely make me want to throw up. I don't care how well he pitched in the 70s. He can't broadcast a game.
Listening to Dan kiss his ass makes it even more unbearable.
Get Hrabowsky out of the booth for God's sake.
Does anyone know
by MikeG on Mar 6, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Am I the only one?
by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 6, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions
Randolph
I'll miss him
2006 WS for JB and DK57 RIP: Josh Hancock

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