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2008 Draft Preview pt. 4- Release the Bats!

Winter has finally come to this corner of the world, and I, for one, couldn't be...

Wait a minute, that's not right.  It's March, you say?  That's weird, I could have sworn I just saw eight and a half inches of snow on the ground in my front yard.  I've lived in St. Louis my whole life, and I never can quite get used to the weather here.  

The Cardinals played a game yesterday.  They sucked.  Pretty much the whole team sucked.  Colby Rasmus was good.  Jason Motte was good.  Brian Barton and Juan the Ageless One both collected a couple of hits.  Otherwise, wow.  

Anthony Reyes was pretty bad.  His performances the last two games demonstrate pretty powerfully an old axiom in baseball: "never fall in or out of love too early in the spring".  I was certainly guilty of it after his last start.  The kid's back.  Cy Young votes, here we come!  Well, that was maybe a tad premature.  Burying him after yesterday's game is premature as well.  Hopefully he can put that performance behind him and build on what he's done well so far this spring.  He hasn't walked anybody.  He hasn't collapsed completely with guys on base.  I'm still rooting for the guy.  For whatever it's worth, he's still feeling optimistic.  Hey, if nothing else, at least he won't have to face Melvin Mora very often when the games count.  

Not really a whole lot to say about the game.  Bad day all around.  Forget it, move on.  Team needs to do it, and I plan to do it.  

Star-divide

Today, I wanted to take a look at some players who are all going to be drafted for the same reason.  Their bats.  There are several players who will all go in probably the first half of the first round this year who are remarkably similar.  All are outstanding hitters with significant questions about their overall athleticism and long term defensive positions.  Despite those questions, these guys have such great offensive capacities that those doubts are blips on the radar, rather than stumbling blocks.  Without further ado, let's take a look.  

Pedro Alvarez, 3b, Vanderbilt University
6'2"  225lbs.  
DOB: 6th February, 1987
Player Page

So, what's so great about this guy?  
Pedro Alvarez has, for the last year or so, been seen as the favourite to go #1 overall in the 2008 draft.  In fact, I was originally not planning on profiling him at all, due to the fact that there was literally no chance he would get anywhere near the Cardinals' drafting slot.  However, his situation has changed a bit.  He broke a bone in his hand in his first AB of the season, and is expected to miss a sizable chunk of the season, at least six weeks.  I doubt that this will be enough to drop his stock enough for the Cardinals to have a shot at him, but it's really tough to say at this point.  That's a pretty fair chunk of the season he won't be on the field, and other players could easily move past him with big spring performances.  Plus, when he comes back, he could very well struggle.  We've seen in the past players struggle to get back on track with the stick after hand or wrist injuries.  As I said, I still don't expect him to be on the board at 13, but I figured I had better do a profile on him just in case.  

When he's healthy, Alvarez is probably the best all around hitter in this year's draft class.  He has solid plate discipline that has improved significantly through his college career, a solid, short stroke that generates above average bat speed, and good loft.  There are really no questions about his offensive capabilities.  He's been seen as a first round pick since a huge freshman season, putting up a .329/22/64 line with a .456 OBP, and has consistently reinforced that notion since.  

On the other side of the ball, there is quite a difference of opinion on Mr. Alvarez.  At the moment, he's a smooth, capable defender at the hot corner, with great hands, a strong arm, and adequate range.  He runs well enough, but is by no means a burner.  The real questions come down the road.  He's already a pretty big boy, and there are a fair number of scouts who think he'll continue to fill out, slow down, and end up at first base.  Looking at his body type, I don't think that's completely unfounded speculation.  If he does move to first, his hands, the best part of his defensive package, should allow him to excel, while covering for the areas he's not quite so good in.  

Bottom line, Alvarez is a tremendous talent, and whoever takes him should end up with a dynamic run producer.  No matter what position he ends up at, (and I haven't quite made up my mind on what I think yet) he has more than enough stick to make an impact.  I see a little bit of Manny Ramirez in him, and some team is going to be very happy to call his name on draft day.  

Yonder Alonso, 1b, University of Miami
6'2" 215lbs.  
DOB: 8th April, 1987
Player Page

So, what's so great about this guy?
If Alvarez is the best overall hitter in the draft, then Alonso is probably the most polished.  The first thing that really jumps out at you is his plate discipline.  He drawn 145 walks in his 687 college at bats, compared to only 113 strikeouts.  He has a .325 career average to go along with that batting eye.  Bottom line, the guy knows how to hit.  He has less power than Alvarez, and employs more of a line drive, gap-to-gap approach than swinging for the fences.  He has a flowing, graceful stroke from the left side, and he centers the ball well.  Alonso is a fairly decent athlete, having stolen, I believe, 12 out of 14 bases last season.  However, his conditioning has been questioned in the past, and it appears to be an ongoing issue.  His defense profile is similarly questionably.  He plays pretty well over at first, but is never going to win any Gold Gloves.  There have been a couple of attempts to audition Alonso in the outfield, at third base, and even briefly at catcher, (can you imagine those offensive numbers from a catcher?!?) but so far, those attempts have mostly reinforced that he belongs right where he is.  

Alonso's power production has also been a source of some scrutiny.  He has a big, powerful frame, but, as I said earlier, utilises an approach much more conducive to hitting for average and gap power than a ton of over the fence power.  There is some thought that he'll grow into it, that hard contact will turn into home runs down the line, but that's not always the safest assumption to make.  

To me, the defensive concerns about Alonso are very valid ones.  The questions about his power I don't put nearly as much stock in.  I would like to hear from any individuals who have seen him play quite a bit, as I've only caught a couple of Miami games this year and last, but I see a little bit of Will the Thrill in Alonso.  Beautiful batting stroke, good average, good enough power, and tremendous plate intelligence.  I see great things from Alonso's bat.  If he paid a bit more attention to conditioning and defense, maybe you could say the same about the rest of his game.  For now, though, it looks as if his bat will have to carry him.  I, for one, believe he's more than capable of hitting his way to the big leagues.  

For what it's worth, I don't see any chance of Alonso falling to the Cards.  There are several teams in the top 10 that would jump at the chance to get a hitter of Alonso's calibre, and if all else fails, there is no way the Athletics at 12 would be able to pass up a guy with this kind of plate discipline, even if they've already got a pretty similar player in Daric Barton.  

Justin Smoak, 1b, University of South Carolina
6'4" 215lbs.
DOB: 5th December, 1986
Player Page

So, what's so great about this guy?  
Justin Smoak is a monster.  He has huge raw power from both sides of the plate, and should drive in a ton of runs wherever he goes.  He doesn't have the same kind of polish in his approach that Alonso has, and my not be quite as dynamic as Alvarez overall, but he probably has more power than either.  He doesn't have to pull the ball to hit it out to any part of the park from either side.  I cannot stress enough just how incredibly powerful this young man is.  

That being said, he does have some caveats.  His plate discipline is a little spotty, and he has struggled with wood bats in the past.  He doesn't run well at all.  At 6'4" and 215 already, he's even bigger than either of the other players we're talking about, and is probably the least mobile of the three.  Although Smoak is a better overall athlete than he usually gets credit for, due to his size, I think he's strictly a first baseman or DH all the way.  Of course, the same was said of Matt LaPorta last year, yet the Brewers are dead set on making him a left fielder, and we have our very own Chris Duncan...

Smoak is, in my ever so humble opinion, a pretty comparable player to Mark Teixera.  I actually think he could be a better fielder than Tex, as Smoak has very good hands, throws left handed,  and moves very well around the bag.  He absolutely destroys mistakes, (again, similar to Tex) but isn't going to be an on base machine.  I will guarantee, though, that a fastball left over the heart of the plate to Smoak will be quite a sight to behold as it leaves the yard.  If he can keep his body from getting too big and soft on him, Smoak should be a truly fearsome presence in the cleanup spot for whoever picks him up.  

Eric Hosmer, 1b, American Heritage HS, Plantation, FL
6'4" 210lbs.
DOB: 24th October, 1989
Here's a really nice article about Hosmer in lieu of a player page.  

So, what's so great about this guy?
Hosmer is the only prep school player in this group, and may be the most intriguing.  He may boast the best pure swing of any player in this year's draft class.  By all accounts, his naturall offensive ability is off the charts.  Hosmer displays true light tower power, but rarely swings as if he's trying to show it off, staying under control and in balance most of the time.  For a kid of his age, his approach is unbelievably mature; he is truly a man among boys when viewed against most of his peers.  

Hosmer has a sculpted, powerful frame that already looks like a big leaguer's.  He throws lefthanded as well as batting from that side, and has touched 92mph off the mound as a pitcher.  He has wonderfully soft hands to go along with his well above average, (for a 1b, anyway) throwing arm.  That being said, most of the questions the other hitters here face also apply to Hosmer.  He doesn't run well and is probably limited to first base by his lack of range in the field.  There has been little thought of drafting him as a pitcher, both due to the quality of his bat, but also awkward mechanics that have caused some scouts to worry about his long term arm health.  

In addition to those questions, Hosmer also presents a couple of other considerations teams contemplating drafting him would be well to be aware of.  He has committed to play college ball at Arizona State, a strong program that players rarely commit to idly.  Even more importantly, Hosmer is being advised by Scott Boras, and we're all well aware of how that tends to play out.  Between the strong college committment and the presence of Boras, Hosmer is the most likely of this group of players to fall significantly in the June draft.  He is a sublime offensive talent, but his potential price tag could very well end up causing some teams to look elsewhere, for an easier sign.  Even so, I expect him to get picked up and bought out by one of the bigger payroll teams in the first round.  I think Baltimore will probably focus on pitching, but Washington has been extremely aggressive in their recent drafts, and my be willing to pony up for a potential talent like Hosmer.  If not the Nats, possibly the Rangers at 11 or the Dodgers at 15.  Only time will tell if Hosmer is going to be worth what he'll most likely command, but he is an awfully special talent all the same.  

Of this group, the only one I see a strong possibility of lasting until 13 is Hosmer.  He comes with significant signability issues that could very well lead to a precipitous fall through the first round.  If he is still there, the Cardinals would have to take an awfully long look at this kind of a rare talent.  That being said, as good as his bat is, I would take a Melville, Harold Martinez, or Aaron Hicks over him, I think.  I'm very big on drafting guys that play premium defensive positions, as I'm sure you've figured out by now.  

Alvarez is a bit of a wild card here now, though.  While I don't see him falling all the way out of the top 10, it's always tough to say what's going to happen to a player who has an injury their draft year.  If he really struggles coming back offensively, he could start to slip, and at some point, teams are going to worry about him going back to school for his senior year to rebuild his draft status.  How far could he end up falling?  I don't know, but I do know that an awfully intriguing draft acquired yet another story line when his hamate bone snapped.  

I think I've got about two more of these; I've already covered probably more players than I initially meant to.  I hope you all are enjoying the series.  In case you were wondering, I've put Great Moments in Redbird Future History on hiatus while I'm doing these, just due to the sheer volume of the material.  If you like them, good news!  They'll be back.  If you hate them, good news!  You'll still be able to ignore them.  

Everybody take care of yourselves, and be careful out there, wherever you are.  

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I have moved on from yesterday. Pffffft! It's gone.

I will read your scouting reports later.

But I just wanted to tell you, RB, how much I have enjoyed the fruits of your Best Of discussion at the end of the year, especially re: music. I got the first Band of Horses cd you recommended so strongly (although I'm still crazy about Cease to Begin and prefer it; nonetheless Everything etc. is quite good and I'm very glad to have it). I'm digging Interpol, a band I did not know, and bought LCD Soundsystem on sale but haven't given it a fair listen yet. I've been a little out of control recently on my eMusic account. I'm not done yet checking out your recs. Anyway, thanks much.

I can't imagine this should have been a diary, but I apologize if this irritates anybody. Seriously.

by Youneverknow on Mar 5, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

I'm
Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful.  I'm an absolute music freak, and I always love it when I can talk about it to someone who appreciates quality.  

Sound of Silver is phenomenal; I think you'll really enjoy it.  Just in case you're interested;  

The Flying Club Cup- by Beirut
And
Do You Like Rock Music? by British Sea Power

Are both amazing as well.  Seriously, don't get me started.  I can't help myself.  

"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 5, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the first Beirut album was way better....
... and that British Sea Power album is pretty good.

if you guys like stuff a little off the beaten path, then get Why's "Alopecia" record (just out, on Anticon). it's a little strange, but i love it. his last album, "Elephant Eyelash," is also grand.

by kindred on Mar 5, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

what up, Nick?
i've been meaning to stop by sometime and hang out. i will one of these days.

by kindred on Mar 5, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Beirut
I like the new one better, I think, although both are fantastic.  

I'll check out the Why album.  I know the name, but I'm not familiar with the work.  Thanks for the recommendation.  

"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 5, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff
I really appreciate the time you put into this preview.  It is a great read and gives some great insight into the coming Cardinals draft.
Thanks
Cards fan banished to NH

by t7rick on Mar 5, 2008 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Did you see
SleepyCA's post near the end of yesterday's thread? He was at the game and said poor outfield defense from Barton and Rasmus led to much of the damage against Reyes and Mortensen. Anyone else see the game and agree or disagree?

by vinniefromjersey on Mar 5, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Wind in Jupiter.
Please take his comments with a grain of salt considering that later in his post he mentioned the 20+ MPH winds.  Sure, everyone has to play in that, but the guy is only 21, right?  

I've been to Jupiter for ST twice now, and each year I've attended a game where the wind is so ridiculous, everyone looked like the bad news bears out there.

by silent_bob on Mar 5, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes and No
I agree wind is tricky, but Sleepy had some observations about guys that made it sound like there was some lazy play.  I understand wind can make it tough, but lots of Sleepy's comments had nothing to do with the wind.

I will write it off as a bad day and hope things improve.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 5, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Not in Springfield
I saw him play tons of times here in Springfield, and I never saw said lazy play (if that's what he meant).

by saladdays on Mar 5, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, Silent Bob
The wind down here is no excuse for the way Colby played yesterday. I am much more concerned about his demeanor than his defense, but the defense is scary.I know it isn't cool on VEB to care about hustle, I.E the disrespect of Eckstein, but it does matter and especially in spring.
I go to Jupiter every year, yesterday wasn't even that bad as far as windy days go.
A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Mar 5, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Hustle misconception
The dig at VEB is unwarrented.   It's not that we disrespected Eck for his hustle, it's that we don't think hustle alone makes a decent player. Eck didn't have much to offer other than hustle at the end of his contract.  

You should check the posts where we bashed JuanE for his lack of it.  

When we talk down at hustle and scrappiness it's pointed at TLR.   He tends to overvalue players because they appear to play hard and sometimes gives them time over better options.   Some feel it's because he was just  that type of player (low in talent, big in hustle).

by RedbirdRay on Mar 5, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Colby got nothing but rave reviews from his
coaches in Springfield concerning his work ethic and demeanor.  It's far too premature to worry about anything like that.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed
plus, is Colby brushing up with the Vets necessarily a BAD thing?

Believe me, if hustle is a problem, TLR will let him know, and the media will report it - the media is waiting to pounce on any semblance of a juicy story at this point in time.

by silent_bob on Mar 5, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

were you at the game?
If someone else was there and noticed it besides me and my dad I'd feel a lot better... as i said, it was my first time seeing him and I was really bummed, but you definitely do have to take my comments with a grain of salt because it was the only time I've seen him, and everyone has bad days.  And the wind was bad, and Reyes was also taking forever to pitch -- that has to weigh on a defender.  It was also gawdawful hot.  Hotter today though, whew.

Anyway he looked a bit better today.  He took two walks in the second game, and ran to first on both of them, beat out a double play grounder to the 1B, and at least jogged to RF.  But he was still the last guy at his position every half inning, and he was only running to RF; skip made it to LF before he made it to RF every single time (cards had 1B dugout) and it wasn't close.  Not that that matters, since they don't give you rbi's for getting to your position fast, but it seemed to me to be an "indicator" of sorts. Maybe I'm just expecting too much, and just need to get used to his "style"...  

I should point out that today he stayed almost 30 minutes after the rest of the team had left the field to sign autographs, which was very cool.

Barton and Ludwick looked awesome defensively today, btw.

by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2008 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Barton?
An uninformed question: is Barton as bad as KTRS says.  I happened to listen around 6:30 yesterday, I gather that's Mike Claiborne? He and the reporter at the game both seemed to say Brian Barton looks completely unprepared to play major league outfield.  If that's true, I'm disappointed. It sounded early on like Mo got a steal on this Rule 5 pick, but they made it sound like there was no way we'd keep him on the roster.  Don't know how reliable those guys are. SleepyCA said he looked bad, but didn't sound quite as dire. Anyone have more info?

by Secret Weapon on Mar 5, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I did notice
yesterday's game thread and boxscore indicated two bad baserunning errors- got picked off once and made  
another error on the bases.

by vinniefromjersey on Mar 5, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard the same broadcast
and they said Barton did not show any good instincts for playing the outfield and had a terrible arm with no accuracy. In the one TV game against the Mets, I did see him make what I thought to be a  weak offline throw.

by ridgesee on Mar 5, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i said his arm was weak IIRC
He seems to be a good defender; has a ton of range.  He looked awesome today, made two plays where he had to run a mile and almost made a third except that he and Ludwick got tied up.  No ones fault there, imho.

But on one of the balls he caught he did miss the cutoff man, allowing two runners to tag up instead of one.  

He had a great day with the bat, too.  And he spent most of the second game chatting with Lou Brock- I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that conversation...

by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yth movement
people wanted to give the young guys a chance, with that comes growing pains. People cant have it both ways.
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 5, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Good point
Young players make bone-headed mistakes sometimes.  It's part of the learning process and to be expected.  I agree with SilentBob, is Colby hanging with the vets that much of a concern?  We want him to develop, what better place to absorb knowledge than spending time with the Big Leaguers.    

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 5, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

my comments are not directed
towards anyone person on the board since some harsh comments are made today.

I just want to point out that working with youngsters has tremendous upside, but takes tons of patience, willingness for them to screwup and learn. I just find it ironic of all the clamoring for Rasmus last yr and other youngsters and bashing of TLR. Now they get a short chance and are given a very very short stick.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 5, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sleepy in ca
Do What?  I was at the game yesterday as well and your comments are absolutely unbelievable to the point of being a joke, i guess.   Colby did none of the things you wrote about in your post.  I, being someone who actually watched the game from behing the plate, find it odd you would deliberately write those things unless you have a son trying to win an outfield spot yourself.  I focused on Colby the the entire game because I was excited to finally get a chance to see him.  I watched him play 50 games or so last year and he would never do the things you wrote.  The comments were odd to say the least.  

The double by Mora was a shot in the gap and Colby was shaded the other way, and the ball that fell in front of him was a blooper. You are trying to tell me that on the line shot Colby hit that Millar dove and hit that careened to the second baseman, that Colby turned and went back toward the dugout but still beat out the ball????? Then he watched the HR?? I have it on video, he hit the ball and started trotting immediately around the bases.

You then state that Tony threw his hat on the ground after an argument with Cody Haerther??? Sounds like you may have had a few too many miller lites my friend.

by springfieldcard on Mar 5, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

harsh
Sleepy has a very strong reputation here.  You may not agree with his synopsis, but attacking him verbally is out of line.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 5, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say
springfieldcard was okay until the miller lite comment.
No one is beyond dispute here.
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 5, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear Hear
Everyone knows no self respecting Cardinals fan would drink a beverage brewed in Milwaukee.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"-George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Mar 5, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No attack here
I have read sleepy's comments for a long time and have respected his opinion but after having watched the games yesterday myself I have to say I don't value it anymore.  It's like he was at a different field watching a different game.  The miller lite comment was a way to give him an out because he definately didn't see what the rest of us here saw.  I am here amongst the scouts behind the plate today and I have been asking them what they saw yesterday from Colby Rasmus.  All I have heard from them is "an Allstar CF for years to come". I just had to ask to make sure I didn't have my rose colored beer goggles on yesterday.  

by springfieldcard on Mar 5, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess I read it wrong
multiple question marks
accusing of having a son trying to make the outfield
calling his opinion "unbelievable to the point of being a joke"
the beer comment

all seemed pretty condescending to me.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 5, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

and now his
one day opinion causes all his posts to lose integrity in your eyes...

maybe you just are rubbing me the wrong way.  

by RedbirdRay on Mar 5, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

for what it's worth
Sleepy's post screamed of dramatics to me.

It's not shocking that two people saw things two different ways. But maybe over the course of spring events will unfold that will back up opinions of whether Colby is lazy and egotistical or a team player. Kind of silly to get worked up either way after one game.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

pacardsfan
I have scouted for years and just felt a need to write a comment based on my observation and there are no two people who could have opinions that vary that much as to what took place yesterday. You would be surprised who in the cardinals organization reads this message board.  I have never commented nor will I after today but those comments were absolutely ridiculous.

by springfieldcard on Mar 5, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's cool.
I understand and in no way was taking a shot at you. Like I said, the original post seemed dramatic.

Either way, I do think it's great that both you and Sleepy are there and willing to post what you see. It's neat to read since we're stuck here at a desk. I'd encourage you to keep posting. I like to read first hand accounts, don't stop now.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

redbirdray
While I have you rubbed the wrong way,  I didn't verbally do anything.  I don't talk out loud when I type.  And If one misrepresents the truth one time then how do you know when one is fibbing or telling the truth?  

by springfieldcard on Mar 5, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

stick up for what you
believe to be true Springfieldcard. Tell it as you see it.

by ridgesee on Mar 5, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

springfield,
sorry we saw different things at the game.  All I've heard about colby for the last year is that "he's an allstar CF for years to come", and then when I see him play he doesn't make plays I thought he should have made.  Of course I'm going to be disappointed. Sorry, I gotta call 'em as I see 'em, not as I'm told they should be, and I think Barton/skip catch both of those balls, at least the one by Mora, and you'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Hopefully Colby just had a bad day.

by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol.....
I agree with Thats`s a Winner....Cardinal fans drink Bud light not Miller your comments have lost all value in my eyes because of that......lol

by Calhoun on Mar 5, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Kirkwood hats
if you're interested in bidding on the Kirkwood hats the cards wore last wednesday in their game vs SLU, the auction closes in ~ half an hour.

http://cardinals.auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/feature.d2w/report?wl=33285929&sor t=term&search=KIRKWOOD

by lboros on Mar 5, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

hmmm
Cesar Izturis or Aaron Miles?  
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 5, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Gameday link
For today is here

FYI: All of 'em for the next week are here.

by liam on Mar 5, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Reyes...
... the kid is sounding great in the press today.

"I thought I had better command this time around than last time," Reyes said. "It's one of those things where I was making pitches and they were putting them in play. I couldn't help that. The main thing is going out there and having fun.

"If I keep doing things the way I've been doing them, my command gets better, then I'll start getting swings and misses. I'll be able to spot the ball a lot better.

"I never pitch to contact. I pitch through the bat," Reyes said. "If I think that way, I'll get those ground balls and I'll get those popups that guys are going to miss. That was a part of my mental game that was really strong that I got away from.

"Now that I have my command coming back around, I feel better about myself. That's just the way I used to think. For me, it's the best way."

saying all the right things. hopefully he can get his command back. i've criticized him a lot in the past, but i really am rooting for him to do well, and his attitude seems like it's in the right place.

by kindred on Mar 5, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'm happy that the kid feels like a new man
this year, but I'm wondering how those remarks will go over with LaDunc.  That he's NOT pitching to contact, that he wasn't upset with his results, that he couldn't help it that his pitches were getting hit?

If our conception of LaDunc's pitching philosophy is correct--and that is a big if--Reyes' comments in today's P-D might not exactly endear him to management.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 5, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes
Was probably too distracted by the contract renewal process. I'll let yesterday slide.
On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 5, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Nats score 3 in the 1st
Ugh.  I know it's only spring training but I'd like to win a game every now and then.  
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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Any veteran baseball superstitionist
will tell you that the best way to kill a season is to have a winning record in Spring Training.  Be very careful what you wish for!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 5, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Cezar E6
Very early, but the dude isn't off to a hot start...
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by Mr Redbird on Mar 5, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Oops
Cesar
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by Mr Redbird on Mar 5, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

How much upside does he have?
What is Izturis' best case scenario?

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The best season of his career
2004, he only had an 88 OPS+, although he had 9 triples. He was an all-star in 2005 with a 66 OPS+.
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by Mr Redbird on Mar 5, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehh.
I guess I won't get too optimistic then.

I see he struck out looking in his first AB today.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

his best case scenario?
it's coming off the bench with Ryan as a starter.
On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 5, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good recovery by Parisi
In the 2nd and 3rd. Strikes out Dukes looking to end the 3rd. Nice comeback after the early triple.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Good Group
I'd say this is an intriguing group.  Sounds like there is a Miguel Cabrera (Alvarez) type who hits great but may eat his way out of a position.  Alonso sounds a bit like Daric Barton, a guy who is certainly a good hitter with questions about his eventual power level.  Smoak and Hosmer sound pretty intriguing, but I doubt Hosmer is signing anywhere unless the contract on the table is obnoxiously over-slotted.  As for Smoak, sounds like he's pretty much a 1B/DH, and considering the Cards have Pujols locked in at first and one DH already in the OF, I doubt he'd be a good guy to pick up.  

So basically I don't see the Cardinals winding up with any of these guys, although I'd be thrilled if Alvarez somehow fell in their laps.  He sounds like quite a talent.  Just think that he, David Price, and Casey Weathers were all on the same team last year.  No wonder Vandy was so good.  

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by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 5, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

For what it's worth
My Vandy baseball season ticket holder friend has this to say about Alvarez

"Great kid - a quiet leader on a good baseball team......his teammates look up to him as a person....he'll do everything the right way....we'll see how far his skills take him"

by Hinkster on Mar 5, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If we started a website
with the name 'DFAKennedyAndIzturis', how many names do you think we'd have to get before the front office realized just how terrible these two players are going to be this year.

Let Ryan, Barden and/or The Hoff play the MIF.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

No doubt
I just wonder how long they would have to struggle once the games matter, for TLR to do anything about it.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Kennedy
3 weeks.

Izturis, 3 months.

For all our badmouting of Juan Gonzalez this spring, I do believe the man leads the team in hitting and OBP.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Juan
He is producing up to this point!  Can't fault the man for that.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 5, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

When will Juan
actually play a position? He hasn't yet has he?

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That is absolutely correct.
And what bugs me about it is that if TLR does give up on Kennedy after 3 weeks, it'll be Miles, not Ryan, who benefits.  Ugh.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 5, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey
Good to see that we're already in the mid-season form of last year when it comes to running into outs.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Mar 5, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

SS put out
So maybe 3b was charging... bunt by Barton? Squeeze with 2 outs?? I'm reaching.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Passed ball?
Just not passed enough.

by Carps on Mar 5, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Squeeze is what I was told
Barton didn't get the bunt down and Luddy was hung out to dry.

by Phyrkrakr on Mar 5, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yadi .000
Yadi really needs to start hitting the ball, a .000 average is very bad, even for him.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

O-fer
Molina, Phelps, Hoffpauir, Jiminez, R. Washington.

But Phelps is the only other guy to have more than 3 AB so far. Molina is setting the pace.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Add
Anderson, Johnson, Pags II.

But they've only had 1 AB each.

by paCardsFan on Mar 5, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally
now he is at .083 with 1 RBI

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Barton
Brian Barton has really been hitting, though.   First couple games were rough, but he's been hitting since.   Yay!

by RedbirdRay on Mar 5, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

My excitement...
...is tempered somewhat by the fact that they are all singles.  And are they solid line drive type singles, or just lucky Texas Leaguers?

Can anyone that is down there or listening to the call let us know?  Is Barton ripping the ball, or just getting bloop hits?

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 5, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HR
Well his HR wasn't a lucky single thats for sure, I am not listening so I would love to know if it was hard hit but still you can't really fake HRs.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL
...AND as soon as I type that, Barton homers!

Good job, kid.

So, was that a REAL homerun, or...  ;-)

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by Mr Clean on Mar 5, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Ludwick
Luddy is definetely making his case today. 3/3 1hr so far.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Your namesake
Sad to see Castellanos give up the two-run shot. He's my dark-horse for the bullpen and had been pitching very well so far, outcomes-wise at least. Hopefully he's still in games when I get down there.

by liam on Mar 5, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not my namesake
Actually my screen name is based on my long held fantasy nickname that I originally based on Victor Hugo, for the sole reason that I liked the sound of his name more then anything else.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

HBP
Setting up that homerun with an HBP doesn't help his cause either.
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 5, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Barton
And with that I swing I do declare that Barton makes the roster, 4-5, hr, 2 rbi, r.

by PSKPSE on Mar 5, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

It's a pretty damn good day...
but it's still a little early to ink his name on the 25-man roster, methinks.  Definitely a good sign, however.  I'm rootin' for him.
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by Mr Clean on Mar 5, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree
Just put him on the team, Tony, and the little bunny rabbit doesn't get hurt.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Mar 5, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That made me laugh! Thank you.
I've had a bad, bad, day.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 5, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

in the leadoff spot too
Not sure if it means anything, but it's an obvious need for this team.
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by _pistol_ on Mar 5, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost wonder if Tony is starting to see him
as a Chris Young type player. Speed and power from the leadoff spot, even without a high average.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

.375
his current .375 AVG speaks otherwise.  Goold has made it a point to show that Rasmus, Barton and Kennedy have all be swapping in at the leadoff spot, it seems to be a rotation to see who can fill it best.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Two of them play the same position
one is an infielder.  So basically, 2 guys with big upside are competing for a job while the other is almost assured one.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes
I agree with you, but if both Rasmus and Barton make the team, then who leads off?  If neither makes it then Kennedy probably does, if Kennedy happens to be better then either then does it make it easier to leave one or both of them off the team?  I think those are the questions they are trying to answer with this swapping.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Prediction
Barton makes the team, Rasmus spend 1/2 a season in AAA to avoid starting the arb clock and because we don't want to screw up our best prospect by rushing him in a season where we ain't winning nothing anyway. Kennedy leads off against righties, Barton against lefties.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Mar 5, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Young
I would say Young has quite a bit more power, but I hear what you are saying.  He would definitely be more of a power threat than ECK was in the 1 hole.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 5, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope
He is pinch hit for instead.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I fear that we should get used to that
Miles making the last out of the game.

I still don't understand what he does that can't be done better by another player.

He does look like Kevin Pollick so if TLR wants to do a Cardinals only Usual Suspects remake that role is set. So who is Dean Keaton? or Kaiser Soze for that matter?

by Harknights on Mar 5, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Miles
is really struggling.

Is he pretty much a lock to make the team since the front office re-signed him?  I certainly hope not...

Could he be sent to AAA?

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

But
what are the realistic odds that 1 is cut?  I'm asking because I don't know...

If the Cards really want to move forward with this "youth movement" I really hope they get rid of Miles.

Give Barden or Hoffpauir a shot.  

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He did last year, too....
Last year, he hit .204 in Spring Training.

Really, not so much in his defense, but as a general statement, I wouldn't get too worried about how players hit in the first couple weeks of ST.

by DiscoJer on Mar 5, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Perez
Throws an inning without walking anyone, yea.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Mar 5, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Tonight's game
gameday will be here.

I bet Brendan Ryan produces more against the Marlins that Izturis and Miles combined did against the Nats.

by liam on Mar 5, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

won't be that tough
all izturis and miles produced were outs...

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 5, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

not true
Izturis got a hit today.
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by beanocook on Mar 5, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

From Bird Land
Link

Barton has not displayed what La Russa called "a plus arm". On both runs into the gap, that was apparent. It's possible his legs are a fit for anywhere in the outfield, but his arm puts him in left.

I hope those are Goold's words and not TLR's.  The arm rating on a centerfielder is of vastly less impact than their range.  The very good outfield arms garner an extra 3-4 runs a season compared to overall defensive range which is 2-3 times as impactful.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2008 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

What about Miles' range and arm at SS
I totally agree, Az.  I wonder if Goold has a read on why TLR seems to overlook the lack of range AND arm for Aaron Miles at another crucial defensive position, SS....

by CardsWin on Mar 5, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Waino
Looks like Wainwright is having a bad day, 2 IP, 12 batters, 0-4 GO-FO, 1 SO and 3 ER, not his best outing.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Actually
none of the runs are earned because of the error by Ryan.  But yes, as you said it appears as if he's struggling.  
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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well shoot
I thought I saw a 3 under the ER column.  Too bad Ryan made that bad of an error then, he is having a good time with his .400 avg though. and now gets basesloaded.

by StLHugo on Mar 5, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cards are basically handed runs
Couple walks, a hit batter, and a FC that scores a run.

Tied up.  

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Jaime Garcia
3ip 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 BB, 2 K's.

He's making a serious pitch to make this team.  Keep it up kid.

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

If anyone saw the game, Garcia?
How did he look.  The boxscore looked promising.

I also think its too early to worry about our SP based on these early results.  The pitchers may be working on things or just getting ready.

I am more worried about how much playing time Phelps and Miles are getting.

by DriverZn on Mar 5, 2008 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

That Ryan Braun...
He's no Duncan with the glove:

Juan Gonzalez actually doesn't know the meaning of the word "retirement."

by Alxfritz on Mar 5, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

I've seen that look on people's faces before
from picture 1.  It was usually after they had finished smoking some pot.  Blissful ignorance, if you will.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how poorly
his glove fits him. It is as if he is doing everything wrong as an outfielder except trying to catch the ball with a bat and wearing his jock over his mouth like a surgeons mask.
Juan Gonzalez actually doesn't know the meaning of the word "retirement."

by Alxfritz on Mar 5, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

In picture 2 it's obvious that he's completely
lost track of the ball as he's still staring up into the sky.  He's probably wondering if the clouds taste like cotton candy.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Duuude...
I bet they totally do.  
"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 6, 2008 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Skippy with a 2 run triple!
Cards take a 5-3 lead.  

LaRue has thrown out all 4 attempted basestealers today.

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Garcia Final Line
4IP, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks, 4 K's.

Solid

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by stltrav09 on Mar 5, 2008 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

Tyler Johnson to hit the DL
to start the season.  Read the story very carefully.  It appears the medical staff is taking a new approach to injuries that get worse after being detected: "When in doubt, blame the patient".

Oh that lazy, young whipper snapper Tyler Johnson.  We tried to help him get well but he was just too lazy and out of shape.  It's sad, really.</Paletta>

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 6, 2008 2:18 AM EST reply actions  

The problem with baseball...
Is that it's almost like school for grownups. In reverse. When the season's over, it's like all the players (and everyone else) simply goes their own way for several months.

Compare that to say the NFL, which has "voluntary" workouts in the offseason that are pretty much mandatory, and a full time training complex open year round for the players.

Considering how much invested in these players, at the very least you'd think they have a trainer or someone check up on players with injuries to see how they are doing, are they rehabbing properly, etc.

by DiscoJer on Mar 6, 2008 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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