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tangotiger is running a very cool experiment on clutch hitting; i urge you all to participate.

the Replacement Level Yankees Weblog’s annual Diamond Mind Blowout has become one of my favorite spring traditions; 2008 marks the 4th year RLWY has crunched the numbers in this fashion. if you’re not familiar w/ the Blowout, RLWY takes various sets of projection data for the upcoming season --- PECOTA, ZIPS, bill james, etc etc --- plugs them into the Diamond Mind simulation game, and runs 1,000 full-season simulations for each set of data. then it rolls the results from all the different projections into a single database comprising several thousand simulated seasons. all the usual disclaimers apply --- projections are not 100 percent accurate, the game is played by people not computers, the projections all had st louis losing to detroit in the ’06 world series, blah blah blah. all acknowledged up front. they’re only projections; don’t take ’em too seriously.

the Blowout had a very good year in 2007. take the nl central --- here are RLYW’s predicted w-l records, vs the actual results:

RLYWACT’L
cubs 84 85
mil 81 83
stl 84 78
hou 80 73
cin 73 72
pitt 73 68

didn’t miss the mark by much on any team. indeed, RLYW’s projected win total in 2007 was within 3 games of the actual total for half of the big-league clubs; it was off by 10 games or more for only 3 (seattle, colorado, and minnesota). full results of last year’s projection are at this link; you have to scroll down about halfway to get the final, all-in-one projection.

ok, enough preliminaries. for the Blowout this year, RLYW ran simulations for six different sets of data --- PECOTA, ZIPS, CHONE, Diamond Mind, Hardball Times, and CAIRO (which is RLYW’s own, brand-new projection system). they played the 2008 season 6,000 times --- so many times that it took 2 separate posts to present all the results (part 1 here, part 2 here). in the final, aggregate projection (see part 2), the cardinals won the division a little less than 10 percent of the time --- 503 times, to be exact. sounds about right to me. they also won 130 wild cards, so they made the playoffs about 11 percent of the time. their mean average record? 78-84 --- exactly what the VEB community projected a couple weeks back. indeed, we as a community are almost in lockstep w/ RLYW for the entire nl central:

RLYWVEB
cubs 88 88
mil 85 88
stl 78 78
cin 77 81
hou 75 75
pitt 70 70

4 out of 6, right on the nose; the wisdom of crowds strikes again. over the 6,000 sims, the cards averaged 762 runs per season (10th best in the national league) and 784 runs allowed (9th best). the st louis pitching staff comes off as being not much worse than chicago’s (31-run difference) or milwaukee’s (9 runs). the thing that separates the cards from the division leaders is their much weaker offense --- they’re 60 runs worse than either chicago or milwaukee per this exercise.

here are the cards’ average won-loss records, broken out by individual projection system (1,000 sims for each system):

DMZIPPECCHOTHTCAI
83 78 73 76 80 80

PECOTA and Diamond Mind see things quite a bit differently, no? in the entire exercise, there were only 4 cases in which two projection systems differed by 10 games or more on a given team.

alright, so much for that. a few other random notes:

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Politte/Jimenez

I am hoping the reason that one of them makes the rotation is that when the first injured starter comes back they will be the first to go before optioning McClellan/Perez down (I think McC is making the team over CP right now).

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 9:04 AM EDT   0 recs

Reyes

I don't think it's a situation where LaRussa/Duncan are optioning for Politte/Jimenez as Reyes isn't going to be put in the bullpen. I think the more likely scenario is that they are putting Thompson/Wellemeyer in the rotation instead of Reyes, as both of those guys could be put in the bullpen.

by saladdays on Mar 24, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't mention Reyes

I didn't say anything about Reyes. If Reyes doesn't make the rotation, which is the current projection, than there are 2 bullpen holes for RH. Once a starter or Kinney comes back than someone has to go. I think Jimenez or Politte is being positioned to be that guy that has to go.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry

That was a response to lboros more than you.

by saladdays on Mar 25, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

saladdays, the choice really is between politte / jimenez or reyes

welley and thompson are going to be on the roster no matter what --- either as starters or as relievers. reyes will only be on the roster as a starter; politte / jimenez, only as relievers.

by using welley / thompson both as starters, tony/dave create an opening for a reliever (ie politte or jimenez). if they used either welley or thomp as a reliever instead, they'd create an opening for a starter (ie reyes).

by lboros on Mar 24, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

I think it is two separate decisions.

First, Who of the three gets the two rotations spots? Reyes, Thompson, Wellemeyer. This has been "decided" as Thompson and Wellemeyer, even though I disagree with it that is what sets up decision 2.

Second, who gets the remaining bullpen spots? This is where Jimenez and Pollite come into play.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

I think the point that Larry was making was that it SHOULDN'T be two separate decisions.

You can clearly do it that way, and it would appear Tony and Dave have. However, isn't it better for the club overall if you look at ALL the options?

For example, using arbitrary numbers only to make the point, let's say that Welly is considered +2 as a starter and +3 as a bullpen guy, Thompson is +2 as a starter and +2 as a bullpen guy, Reyes is +1 as a starter and -3 as a bullpen guy, while Jiminez and Politte are both -3 as starter and -2 as bullpen.

Using these arbitrary numbers, the best combo would be to start Thompson and Reyes, with Welly in the pen (2+1+3 = +6). All the other possible combos are less favorable for the team. Since Jiminez and Politte are negative contributors, the overall effect on the club is a negative if you decide that neither Welly nor Thompson can be used in the pen.

In short, even if Tony/Dave consider either Welly or Thompson a marginally better starter than Reyes, by refusing to consider using all of their assets more flexibly, they are creating a False Dilemma and hurting the club overall. For someone who clearly loves to use players in multiple roles as much as LaRussa does, this sort of surprisingly intractable thinking is baffling...as was evident last year with their stubborn refusal to even consider moving Franklin from the pen to a starting position, despite our critical need for another starter.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

putting Wellemeyer and Thompson in the rotation

leaves the bullpen bereft? Doesn't it leave the rotation bereft as well?

by houstoncardinal on Mar 24, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

MLB Website updated

The official site has been updated, graphically that is.

Matt Leach, how do you enjoy your new digs?

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 9:14 AM EDT   0 recs

website

Anyone know how to access the old top plays archive that used to be on the website? I used to watch Waino throw that sick curve to beltran or So Taguchi's game 2 shot to cheer me up sometimes.

by RVAcardsfan on Mar 24, 2008 9:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Ditto RVAcardsfan's thanks

I've been looking for that as well, because sometimes you NEED to see a slick fielding play or Albert launch one out of the park or you will lose all hope.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 24, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any idea

if they will continue to update as in the past? I run a Cardinals fan club at the school I teach at and I always like to show the kids the weeks top plays

"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar

by Big Mike on Mar 24, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Today

Here is today's link http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp#20080324 it should be kept up to date just like it has been. One thing you might have to change though is your media player plugin. MLB.com just went to Silverlight (Microsoft's replacement for embedded Media Player)

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The new look

isn't Firefox-friendly, which is happening more and more these days. Probably has something to do with the tie-in to Microsoft.

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Mar 24, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to defend MS

But I have no clue what you are talking about. The new look is perfect for me in FF. And the "tie in with MS" you are talking about is a bit off the mark. All they did was switch from Media Player, which they were using last year, to Silverlight. They could have chosen Quicktime or anything else but they didn't, I doubt this was a "tie in with MS" or some grand conspiracy against FF.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He is talking about using the video playing software

and he is right. I have no trouble with MLB.tv in IE but it is all screwey in FF.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 24, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, thank you

that's what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about any grand conspiracy...

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

by cardsrul on Mar 24, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry then

I mistook what you meant. I have had issues in the past with the video at work but not at home as far as I can recall. I will have to look into it tonight.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh.

I haven't fired up the mlb.tv yet this season. Here's to hoping it'll be all right at least in Safari.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Mar 24, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, just test it

I just tested the top plays thing in FF and had no issue at all with it playing correctly. I have never had MLB.tv so I can't say about that.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 10:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

According to

The "Commish," McClellan is likely to make the club.

So the Opening Day rotation is likely to be Wainwright, Wellemeyer, Looper, Loshe, and Thompson; with Izzy, Franklin, Springer, Flores, Villone, and McClellan in the pen... Assuming a 13-man pitching staff, that means there's a possibility that both Jimenez and Politte could make the club.

I'm hoping that McClellan is slated to be the "long" reliever out of the 'pen... that would open up a spot for Chris Perez, who is probably better than Politte and Jimenez combined... but what do I know?

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Mar 24, 2008 10:26 AM EDT   0 recs

Politte and Jiminez combined?

So a pitcher with a 14.00 ERA and a 2.50 WHIP?

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Mar 24, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seeing him yesterday

i have to say he looked pretty darn good. his fastball was averaged about 90 and touched 92. nice sharp, biting curveball. i'm no pitching mechanic, but he looked good. balanced, repeatable delivery. good arm action.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."

by erik on Mar 24, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sidenote

I love generic story lines that aren't really true at all: from an ESPN fantasy piece about Rick Ankiel "he simultaneously struggled to adapt to breaking pitches" which is hilariously wrong. Firejoemorgan has made me wonder whether there's just a generic form for all sports writers to use when talking about all the situations in baseball.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Mar 24, 2008 12:09 PM EDT   0 recs

yes, that cracks me up

but it's not just sportswriters; plenty of commenters, even here, have declared that Ankiel needs to hit in the #2 lineup spot since he'd "see more fastballs there".

For those who didn't click the link, Ankiel does much better against the other stuff, except for those pesky sliders. Of course, that's not comprehensive; pitch/fx isn't installed in every park that ankiel hit in last year, but so far all the evidence we have so far says that you don't want to throw a curve ball to rick ankiel.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado

by SleepyCA on Mar 24, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More disclaimers being the tool used to identify pitches isn't perfect either

But it is at least good at distinguishing between off-speed stuff and fastballs. It's definitely pretty clear his problems are holes in his swing not inability to hit off-speed.

With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch

by joker24 on Mar 24, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he did a pretty good job

handling el duque's eephus pitch the other day. pitchers, take note. don't throw rick an eephus!

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."

by erik on Mar 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

SHHHHHHHHH

Pitchers!!!!! Rick gets totally overconfident when you throw him an eephus!!! He'll swing ahead of it like crazy!!!!

Please, trust me!!

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Mar 24, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Young Musial's a low-baller.

It looks like that information says he prefers stuff down in the strike zone (curve, sinker, split), and that he is going to have trouble up in the strike zone. Sounds pretty typical of LH power hitter. I would venture to guess that chart is pretty accurate.

by etp_stl on Mar 24, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Gameday link for today is ...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_24_slnmlb_minmlb_1&brand=mlb

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Brian Barton

batting third. I think he's made the team.

by liam on Mar 24, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you're right ...

I believe he'll start too, depending on lefty/righty splits ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He looked great yesterday

smart play on the basepath and a nice swing to hit one to the wall. It'll be interesting to see how TLR uses him during the year.

(Also, thank you Juan Gonzalez's abdominal muscle.)

by azruavatar on Mar 24, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

big ups to jaun gone's abs!

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Mar 24, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm beginning to think ...

that we don't lose that much when LaRue starts for Molina ... he's thrown a lot of guys out ... I used to cringe when Bennett was in there ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 1:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Izturis in his last 7 games

Cesar Izturis shows signs of getting rid of the rust and coming around not only in the field (3 outstanding fielding plays yesterday and a fourth play that Mets radio announcers raved about as "magical").

Izturis has also gotten on base in 7 straight games. In those games, against ML pitchers (now that most minor leaguers have been cut), Izturis has 22 PA's, 6 hits, including his second triple of the spring, 2 walks, 6 runs scored, and 3 RBI's. His OBP over those 7 games has been a respectable .333.

by CardsWin on Mar 24, 2008 1:34 PM EDT   0 recs

That's what Spring is for ... shaking off the rust ...

and it appears he's doing it ... I compared his 2008 Spring stats with Eckstein's so far ... neither is really setting the world on fire ...

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
3. C Izturis STL SS 17 49 9 9 0 2 0 3 13 4 6 2 0 .245 .265 .184
4. D Eckstein TOR SS 15 38 4 7 3 0 1 7 13 3 1 0 0 .279 .342 .184

But yeah ... I'd rather have Eck on my team ...

By the way ... here's the defensive numbers for each this Spring ...

Player TEAM POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT
Izturis STL SS 17 17 109.0 80 21 52 7 10 --- --- --- 6.03 .913
Eck TOR SS 15 15 69.0 34 11 23 0 4 --- --- --- 4.43 1.000

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Izturis vs. Eckstein

If Cesar has an OBP of .330 or higher this year, I believe he'll be more valuable than David because of Cesar's superior glove, range, and arm. But I know David's scrappy, all-out play and his amiable presence will be missed by a lot of fans.

by CardsWin on Mar 24, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Small chance...

In 7 seasons of being in the majors, he never posted an OBP higher than .330, he hit .330 once.. Most other years he's right around the .300 level.

But hey, a week of spring training games means a lot more than his 7 year career stats.

by DiscoJer on Mar 24, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You need to take into account...

that the Cards have lost a significant amount of range at the 3B position. The significant improvement in arm and range at the SS position is not a nicety, it is essential. I doubt that Izturis is going to have any kind of career offensive year, so I wouldn't expect any significant jump. Defensively, though, I expect playing every day to have a positive impact, and that's why he's here. All accounts are that Ryan will put up better offensive numbers, but that he has been shakiest defensively at SS.

by etp_stl on Mar 24, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Izturis walks and singles with 2 RBI's in first two PA's today

Make that an 8-game streak of Izturis getting on base. OBP during that streak is up to .385.

by CardsWin on Mar 24, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Izturis has .407 OBP over his last 8 games

Izturis draws his second walk today. On base three times in 3 PA's.

by CardsWin on Mar 24, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Izturis' Defense

I was at the Thurs-Sat games at Roger Dean and thought Izturis looked solid defensively. Listened to the game on the last leg of the trip home yesterday afternoon and it sounded like he's getting comfortable playing short everyday. To say I'm excited for the season to start and to watch this team play every day is a massive understatement. It'd be something to see Izturis show up this year as an elite defensive shortstop like Grudz did at second for us a few years back.

by liam on Mar 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Best Rivalries in Baseball

Fox sports has this list up and the cubbie/Cardinal rivalry should be first. I know we have all seen these lists before but for national press it's not bad.

I about fell out of my chair laughing when I watched his link to the rising frat-boy quotient at Wrigley Field. Cub fans are one of a kind, I'm just not sure what kind that is.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Mar 24, 2008 1:35 PM EDT   0 recs

That is

nasty to the extreme.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 24, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And he has it wrong about how long the two cities have it for each other

It's been since Stephen A. Douglass essentially started the civil war in order to route railroads through Chicago rather than St. Louis in 1854.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Mar 24, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

The Diamond Minds simulated the opposite of what my gut says. While I agree with the record, I though it would be the pitching, not the offense that would hold the Cards back this season. Duncan, Barton, Ankiel and Glaus seem like a clear upgrade over Juan, Rolen, and Edmonds last season.

by JMedwick on Mar 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT   0 recs

garbage in, garbage out

The players we are sending to St Louis this year have to be an incredibly tough group of players for a computer to accurately predict. For instance, zips thinks ankiel is going to be a .241/.285/.458 ballplayer in '08. That's a solid 100-200 points of OPS lower than he'll really do, which will make a big difference, on the order of 20 runs all by itself.

Ludwick, Duncan and Glaus will likely all do better than their projections as well.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he'd drive down the street in his El Dorado

by SleepyCA on Mar 24, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

methinks

ZIPS is averaging the chances of Ankiel having success or completely flaming out. Something similar is probably happening for the likes of Mulder, Piñeiro and Clement. Hopefully, these guys can get things together.

"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams

by Valatan on Mar 24, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WonderBrad

Gameday shows Thompson only needing 23 pitches to get through the first 3 innings. Only five pitches were balls, and he has a walk, which means four of them were in that at-bat.

Takeaway: Dude is throwing a lot of strikes right now.

by effin fisk on Mar 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Er...

Gameday isn't actually showing real pitch counts yet, is it? I thought it was still just showing the bare minimum based upon the actual result: 4 balls if it was a walk, 3 strikes for a SO, and only 1 pitch if put into play, no matter how many actual pitches it took.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 24, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and No

Certain games get the full treatment this one isn't getting it.

by StLHugo on Mar 24, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

C'mon Izturis ... come through ...

in a baseloaded at bat ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Way to go Izturis ...

He comes through with a 2 run single ... excellent ... we did not run the bases very well that inning ... it could've been a bigger one ... but I'll take three ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rotoworld: Troy Glaus write up

best write-up from those guys I've seen in awhile.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Belleville News-Democrat

I love the hard-hitting headline:

"Mozeliak enjoys job as Cardinals' general manager"

by effin fisk on Mar 24, 2008 2:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Another good at bat for Izturis ...

worked a walk on a bunch of pitches ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 2:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Twins broadcasters are ripping

the Cards pretty hard.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 24, 2008 2:46 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah, they sound like a couple of bozos to me ...

That's ok ... we're ripping them on the field ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Angels also wear red, I guess...

The announcers just referred to us as the Angels. I don't think they know much about the senior circuit.

by blehmann on Mar 24, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I could understand being mistaken

for the Angels last year, but Edmond & Sparkplug are gone.... but no big deal.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They're ripping the middle ...

the usual stuff about Izturis and Kennedy's defense ... now they're saying how easy it will be to bat around Albert since Ankiel, Duncan and Ludwick will be easy outs ... they're just being assholes ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 24, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They were reading the piece about how

we are an awful team with an awful farm system and they read the part involving the quotes from scouts.

They then went into further detail with their own opinions of how bad we are.

What I'm tired of hearing is how this team has no speed. Barton, Ankiel, Skippy, Ludwick, Izturis, Ryan all have above average speed and will all see significant playing time. Rasmus as well. Duncan and Pujols are both very good baserunners. I'll give them Glaus and Molina, though.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 24, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would not call Duncan

a good base runner, but agree with most of what you say.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Duncan

He's not a base stealer, but he's smart and aggressive on the paths... He goes first to third well and routinely legs out extra bases.

by liam on Mar 24, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs