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Recently, Derek Goold and Joe Strauss at the p-d posted their ideas of who will be in the opening-day starting lineup for the Cards. You can find them here and here .
What’s interesting about both lineups is that they both have Skip Schumaker as the leadoff hitter, playing RF. To me, Skip has always been this year’s So Taguchi – the guy who can play any OF position, pinch-hit, maybe pinch-run, very little power, defensive replacement sort of #5 OF. It’s possible that Brian Barton will fill that role on this year’s team and it’s also possible that So, had he remained on this year’s team, would be in the opening-day starting lineup but I find Skip’s inclusion a little surprising.
Set aside the fact that Colby Rasmus has been the team’s best OF this spring, assuming everyone finishes the spring healthy, we have a pretty good idea who the 5 OFs will be on the opening-day roster – Ankiel, Barton, Duncan, Ludwick, and Schumaker. Of the 5, only Ankiel appears to be an every day OF as he appears set to start the year in CF. As we know, Chris Duncan is relegated to LF (and Pujols’ backup) but the other 5 OFs have the ability to play more than 1 of the OF positions – an essential skill considering the fact that none have established themselves as everyday players. That said, both Goold’s and Strauss’ opening-day lineups have Ankiel in CF and Skip in RF. Strauss likes Ludwick to start in LF but Goold likes Barton to start in LF.
Below is a table that shows the number of PAs and games played in each of the OF positions for everyone except Duncan this spring. Duncan’s been hurt and is relegated to LF but the other #s should give us an indicator of where things are headed once the games start counting.
| PAs | RF | CF | LF | |
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| Ankiel | 61 | 7 | 11 | 0 |
| Barton | 54 | 7 | 3 | 7 |
| Ludwick | 60 | 13 | 3 | 7 |
| Schumaker | 57 | 5 | 6 | 11 |
We can see that LaRussa seems to be trending toward Ankiel being the everyday CF. This is a big step for someone w/ as little experience playing the OF as he has though he certainly has the arm for it and, I believe, has the athleticism for it as well. Suffice to say, however, there will be some adventures out there as well. Tony clearly has more faith in Ankiel in CF than any of the other OFs on the roster. Tony seems to like Ludwick in RF – perhaps that’s partly b/c Duncan is limited to LF but it’s not too tough to imagine an OF vs. righties w/ Duncan in LF, Ankiel in CF, and Ludwick in RF. It’s the idea of Schumaker being the regular platoon vs. left-handed pitchers that I’m struggling with.
Jeff Francis is set to start opening-day against the home team. He’s a very good left-handed pitcher and our struggles over the last couple of years vs. lefties have been well-documented, not the least of which came exactly two weeks ago. So, of the two right-handed hitters in our OF, one of them will start on opening day. It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Duncan will sit. Does this indicate that Duncan will remain strictly a platoon player, only seeing the field against right-handed pitchers? I’m not sure how I feel about that. I’m not altogether opposed to platoons. Quite the contrary, I think they can be very effective if utilized correctly and Duncan, throughout his career, has been a pretty poor hitter vs. lefties,
On the other hand, this is a developmental year and Duncan has exactly 142 PAs against lefties throughout his career. He still has as much power as anyone in our OF and there’s no time like the present to find out if he is a platoon player or someone who can play every day. It’s a little strange to me that Ankiel has become an every day player who won’t sit vs. lefties on the basis of his 76 career PAs against lefties. I know he’s hit them well but we’re talking about 76 career plate appearances, for crying out loud! Sample sizes don’t get much smaller than that! It’s not like Ankiel has established himself as a tremendous CF or as the only OF on our roster who can play the position either.
So then why does Skip get the start against lefties ahead of Duncan? Skip does have better numbers against lefties than Duncan but, again, we’re talking about 41 PAs against major league lefties. His minor league numbers, again, are OK but in ’07, with just 73 PAs, his OPS was just .676 despite a .333 OBP. With Duncan’s power, couldn’t he put up a .676 OPS even if his OBP is considerably lower? Maybe this is just to give him an opportunity to play early in the season and it’s not the sign of a trend.
But maybe it’s LaRussa choosing Skip’s defense in LF over Duncan’s against lefties. That’s not altogether unreasonable considering Duncan’s absolutely horrid defense. Skip’s defensive advantage breaks the tie in their offense…maybe. Still, the difference between one of the better LFs last year (Matt Holliday) and one of the worst (Duncan) was about 14 runs defensively. That’s about a win and a half difference between the very best defensive LFs and the very worst. Last year, about 27% of major-league ABs came against lefties so, if we assume that Skip would be among the best defensive LFs in the game, he would be worth about .38 wins defensively over Chris Duncan in a platoon scenario. Isn’t it worth 2/5 of a win to find out if Duncan can hit lefties consistently? Isn’t it possible that, b/c of Duncan’s power and batting eye, his offense would be worth 2/5 of a win over Skip’s? To me, this is a very strange platoon. Skip offers virtually no power – has 3 career major-league homers – and doesn’t offer a lot in terms of stolen bases either – 4 in his career and a 65% success rate throughout the minors. Duncan’s upside, even against lefties, seems to be much bigger than Skip’s and Skip’s defense, though clearly better, doesn’t seem to provide a significant enough boost to offset Duncan’s offensive upside. That said, it is entirely consistent w/ LaRussa’s preference entering this year of focusing on defense, as evidenced by the Izturis signing.
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In other matters:
- it appears as though Brendan Ryan should be OK for opening day. He is, after all, the backup 3B as well as another backup middle infielder. D’Angelo Jimenez’s chance of making the major league roster just fell to next-to-none.
- and, for those of you who still harbored dreams of Miguel Cabrera joining Albert in our lineup, Detroit has apparently signed him to an 8 year, $153 million contract. According to the report, he would receive just over $11 M this year and then $19 M for the next 7 years. This strikes me, at first glance, as a very good contract for the Tigers. First of all, he’s only 24 and could conceivably become the premier hitter in the AL during the next 8 years. Hell, it might happen this year. Consider the fact that A-Rod is 32 now and set to earn an average of $27.5 M for the next 10 years and Cabrera’s contract seems to be a hell of a bargain. Yes, I know he was fat last year and he’s a terrible 3B defensively. Is A-Rod 45% better than Cabrera? I’d say "NO" – emphatically. The guy can mash and to get him for less than what the Yankees will pay Jeter this year is a pretty good deal. Though it means he’ll likely never be a Cardinal, I wonder if it doesn’t bode well for the Cardinals’ chances of extending Pujols’ contract in 2010.
Happy Easter to all. I hope the Easter Bunny put lots of joy and self-fulfillment in each of your basket and I hope he (do we know the Easter Bunny’s a "he"?) brought all Cards’ fans some extra patience this year. I fear we’ll need it.
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Ankiel and lefties
In the minors, Ankiel actually had a reverse split, if I remember correctly. That, combined with his ability to hit lefties last year in limted AB probably is enough to convince me that he should be in CF.
Though I guess by the all-star break, skip'll be sent down or traded, and we'll have Rasmus in CF, Ank in RF and Duncan in LF.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
by Valatan on Mar 23, 2008 2:21 AM EDT 0 recs
Ludwick also had a reverse split with a .100 OPS advantage against righties
though the question is always when does the sample size become large enough to compensate for the heavy regression we would apply to those odd instances.
by azruavatar on
Mar 23, 2008 2:29 AM EDT
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skippy and other random observations
watched the birds today and yesterday.
re skippy going down and out, i have to say skippy looked really strong and confident at the plate (and successful). it is easy to understand why he stays in the line-up.
confirming leach's comments, izzy2 had a very strong game in the field today; the play in the first on the high hopper was quite something.
worst at the plate were kennedy and duncan, followed by yaddy.
duncan also has a way of looking really bad on some balls in the outfield. it's not just the failure to catch the ball it's how he looks doing it that adds to his rap. he had another major stumble attack today.
mc clellan also looked very good, better than perez and, for today, pelphry.
ank would have had two out except for the wind picking up mid-way through the game and blowing in from right.
if you go to a game pitched by el duque and wellemeyer, be prepared for a long game.
as an aside, traditions field is a nice set-up (and beer is cheaper than at roger dean!).
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by sportsman on
Mar 23, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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Duncan's defense
gets a little overplayed. He isn't much different from what Reggie Sanders or Ron Gant provided in the OF. The difference is the potential offensive production is better. You're talking about a potential 35, 100+ guy. Those other guys were 20-25, 70-85 guys. I've watched Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn look equally awful in the field. It would be great to have 3 CF in the OF that each hit .300, 30, 100. That's not going to happen, so you need to make trade-offs. I'll take Duncan's power production.
by etp_stl on
Mar 24, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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+1!!
Absolutely -- I don't understand the backlash about his defense that this blog seems to inspire. He never played outfield in the minors, so he's been learning on the job for two years, and has improved his defense in both of those years. He also had a sports hernia for much of the last half of the season last year, you can't expect his defense to be stellar when he can't move effectively.
It's true that he doesn't have a great arm and doesn't get great jumps on balls in play, but there are worse OF in the division (Dunn, Lee) who get regular time (please don't quote saber stats at me either, I know those guys rank better, but look at the tiny outfields they play in -- that makes a difference) I think a healthy 500 PA's from Duncan could result in 30+ homers and a +.550 slugging pct., why would you trade a guy like that just because of his defense? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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by fourstick on
Mar 24, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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I wonder if Rasmus ever had a chance?
Based on how much playing time Ankiel got in CF, it seems like Rasmus never really had a chance, even if he had hit better in ST (at least for average I guess, unless you're Barry Bond, you can't do much better in OBP)
by DiscoJer on Mar 23, 2008 4:14 AM EDT 0 recs
I don't understand it
Well, I for one don't get the assignments.
Why?
Well, Schu plays a nice centerfield. If he's going to start anyway, why not put him there. Ankiel definitely has the arm for right field and seems to hold down that position better than he's adjusted to center.
I don't understand why we are going to develop him at center. Rasmus certainly seems to be the centerfielder of the future. Just about the time Ankiel starts getting comfortable in center, he will probably be shifted to RF anyway.
So, are we putting him in center everyday so TLR can sit Schu vs. lefties? What is the purpose of developing Ankiel in center? This seems like a very short-sighted decision.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 23, 2008 7:38 AM EDT 1 recs
Skip in CF
Agree with Redbird. In his short time as an ML centerfielder, Hobbs has played mostly in right. When he has played in center, he's looked shaky. The bad routes are magnified in center. CF is the more demanding position defensively. Skip is a very competent CFer. The only way it makes sense to me is if TLR is not really sure about Skip long-term. Meaning he's willing to have Ankiel learn CF on the job in the ML and accept the inevitable misplays because Skip might not be with the team that long. When Rasmus comes up, Skip goes? Based upon comments from Mo, it does appear to be the team's plan to bring up Rasmus sometime this year. One would think that would mean Skip goes @ that point as they are both left-handed hitters. But Rasmus is a true CFer! Ankiel will be in RF when Rasmus arrives in any event so why doesn't Tony just make him a full-time RFer now???
BTW, I disagree with comments to the effect that Barton can play all three OF positions. The guy has speed but a weak arm. No way am I comfortable with Barton in RF.
by jjray on
Mar 23, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
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Let's see Skip
I for one would like to see what Skip can do. It seems as he never gets a fair shake in the deal. He shows glimpses of good play and then gets sent down or something else happens. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do, if nothing else maybe he will put up some good numbers and we could use him for a trade later when Rasmus comes up.
by scfalcon on Mar 23, 2008 8:03 AM EDT 0 recs
That Cabrera signing is a good one.
If his defense remains horrid, he's the new 1st baseman. Then he's your DH.
And for what it's worth, Seattle gave up the farm for Eric Bedard, literally, and he's having one horrific spring. The folks in Seattle are probably sweating bullets, even though spring stats don't mean a thing.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Mar 23, 2008 8:37 AM EDT 0 recs
The one who needs to go
is Duncan. If he's a player, he's an American League player. You just can't hide him defensively. After the 2006 WS I advocated packaging him and Reyes to an AL team for a good left fielder (say Carl Crawford). The idea was shouted down as giving up "way too much." Now they've been exposed and you couldn't get much, if anything, for either of them. I hope he proves me wrong, but right now he looks as dreadful at the plate as he does in LF. Right now I'd prefer to see Skip in center until Rasmus arrives. I agree with RedbirdRay- why play Ankiel at a position he'll only hold temporarily?
by vinniefromjersey on Mar 23, 2008 8:40 AM EDT 0 recs
ditto the crawford trade
I was all over that too Vinny. I thought at that time both Duncan and Reyes would never be worth more. Tampa may not have gone for it but I was saying pick up the phone and find out.
I also think that Skip should play as much as possible. He will need to be traded to make room for Rasmus. So I think he should start in CF and leadoff every single day, if possible. Duncan may loose his job to Juan Gone. Chris better wake up cause being the coaches son will not help if he keeps this up.
by nybirdfan on
Mar 23, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
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Well, if they Rays would have traded Carl Crawford
AT ALL, which I don't believe they were ever planning to do, someone would have and should have lost their job. He's a franchise player. Kazmir's a franchise player. Evan Longoria is expected to be one-you sign those guys at all costs. Especially since you have all kinds of attractive spare parts in your minors for deals. Those are the guys you use to fill in the blanks.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Mar 23, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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meh
While the rays wouldnt' have traded crawford for duncan/reyes, crawford remains one of the most overrated players in baseball, imho. An .830 OPS in a corner OF position, even with 50 SB's, is not a franchise player except maybe on a last-place team. crawford will probably gain a little power in the next few years, but that will come at the expense of his defense and base stealing.
Duncan OTOH has an potential offensive value that is much, much higher than Crawford. Duncan's OPS before his injury last year hit .955 (peaked 26 July); assuming his true-talent is .930ish, that puts him in MVP contention in a career year. FWIW, I consider Duncan and Justin Morneau to be VERY similar players; Morneau had a .610 OPS against lefties in his first 270 PA, and then won the AL MVP the next year. And his defense at first is pretty bad, probably not much better than Duncan's would be (PMR says both prince fielder and ryan howard are better defenders than Morneau).
by SleepyCA on
Mar 23, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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On a lighter note......
I just came across an article that the Phillies pitching coach is good for his pitchers because he helps them stay relaxed. His name is Dubee......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Mar 23, 2008 8:57 AM EDT 0 recs
I think we might
already know that Duncan can't hit lefties, and Ankiel can. This spring, Ankiel and Schumaker were in the lineup several times against lefties, not that it means much. Ludwick also has a reverse split. There's an interesting piece on this topic over at Fungoes.
I agree that Ankiel should play in right. No reason to have him play center for just a half season.
I wouldn't put Barton anywhere but left. He has a weak arm, and he's been surprisingly shaky defensively.
Duncan needs to show improvement or he may be the one out the door when Rasmus arrives.
by mikeonthecards on Mar 23, 2008 10:28 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm thinkin'
Tony will mix-and-match his outfielders all season long... trying to "first-guess" TLR is like trying to herd cats! It's entirely possible one could see Barton, Ank, and Ludwick in the outfield on Opening Day against the lefty, with Miles in the two-hole. The only "givens" are Albert at 1B, Yadi behind the plate, Izturis batting ninth at shortstop, and Wainer hitting eighth and pitching. (Given Wainer's bat, would hitting him ninth give Tony that "second leadoff" guy in the 9-hole? Hmmmm....)
I also think Duncan stays, because of his power... Skip or Ludwick are the most likely to get the short end of the stick when Rasmus makes his debut. (We gotta give him a better number than 84, fercryinoutloud!)
To quote the philosopher "Fats" Waller, "One never knows, do one?"
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Mar 23, 2008 10:33 AM EDT 0 recs
What jersey number
should Rasmus get? Hmmm....
by mikeonthecards on
Mar 23, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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I say 3
Maybe he'll turn out like another LH-hitting OF who wore #3.....
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by Mr Redbird on
Mar 23, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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Oh
Boo hoo. I didn't realize that was his number, but maybe by the time Rasmus is called up, Iz2 will be a DFA.
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by Mr Redbird on
Mar 23, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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11
I also heard that he is wearing 11 in Memphis right now, so maybe that is the one he is targeting.
by StLHugo on
Mar 23, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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The Secret Weapon
wears #11...
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
by cardsrul on
Mar 23, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Completely off the topic but,
If you have have never heard this song about Ozzie Smith, I suggest checking it out. I believe it will bring all of you a little joy this fine morning. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnqdmLZaUKs
Oh yeah...my vote is to trade Duncan and play Ludwick as much as possible.
Happy Easter.
Billy Crystal is a tougher out than Izturis.
by tangledbrett on Mar 23, 2008 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
I thought you were crazy, but ...
Let's review.
Player GP, AB, HR, RBI, SO, BB, AVE/OBP/SLG, OPS
Ludwick '07 120, 303, 14, 52, 72, 26, .267/.339/.479, .818
Duncan '07 127, 375, 21, 70, 123, 55, .259/.354/.480, .834
For all the brave talk about Duncan, it looks like Ludwick provided more than I thought. His defense is significantly better, and you can't really platoon the two. They both hit RHP and not LHP. Obviously, Duncan's power production was a little better (7 HR & 18 RBI w/ 72 more AB), but what did his defense cost you in the same amount of time. I see the OF's needing to be Ludwick, Schumaker, Ankiel (LF, CF, RF), and fill in with Barton and Duncan on a platoon basis depending upon speed or power needs.
by etp_stl on
Mar 23, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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neither of those OPS numbers
are indicative of the talent level of the players. Duncan had 100 PA's with his guts hanging out last year and ludwick had a month of "swing for the fences on every pitch because this is my last chance" mentality. They were both much better hitters once ludwick settled down, and before duncan got hurt. Duncan will surprise me if his OPS is under .900 (or over .960)* and ludwick will surprise me outside of .840-.880* this year, though the defensive difference makes them about equal.
* Barring injuries, of course.
by SleepyCA on
Mar 23, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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I would agree with you ...
I was just shocked at how close the numbers were. It looks like both of them are solid major leaguers with Duncan having a little more potential overall. My impression was that Duncan was far and away the better offensive threat.
by etp_stl on
Mar 23, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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I'm glad you liked!
Always makes me smile.
Billy Crystal is a tougher out than Izturis.
by tangledbrett on
Mar 23, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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I especially
liked the line - He''ll turn your hit into a double play.
by cardsgirl95 on
Mar 23, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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On OF Defense
Baseball Prospectus projects Duncan's defense for 2008 over 107 equivalent MLB games at -3 runs below average for leftfielders. It's sample sizes for Skip they project at 92 equivalent MLB games at exactly average for CF.
In '06, they put Duncan at -1 runs below average in LF and 1 run above average in RF in 16 games. Very small samples for that year, to be sure, but he is pretty much consistently put at slightly below average compared to the average LF.
The Bill James Handbook puts Duncan's Range Factor at 1.96. The league average for LF is 2.05. So, by that metric, he is again slightly less than average, which puts him in the middle of the pack, one hundredth of a point behind Matt Holliday (1.97).
Both he and Ankiel are learning to be outfielders and are doing so on the biggest stage, in the Bigs, out of organizational necessity. Both have been ugly at times (Duncan more than Ankiel). Both are younger developmentally as outfielders compared to their actual age because they are recent converts to the outfield. Ankiel has the potential to be something substantially more than serviceable with his glove due to his athletism while there is no reason to believe that the more fly balls Duncan takes, the closer to league average he will become. He is serviceable now, which is enough to warrant starting him, and he could become a notch or two better than that by career’s end.
Today, Duncan is more than adequate with the glove to warrant a lineup spot because of his broad offensive skill set of power plus on-base skill. Over his three MLB years, he has hit .272/.356/.528, an OPS of nearly 1.00. On an OPS-starved Cardinals club (tied for 20th out of 30 MLB teams in OPS last season compared to 9th in 2005), a problem that is only augmented by our middle infield of Kennedy/Izturis/Miles, a collection of one-dimensional slappies (my term for slap hitters who must hit for average to be even serviceable offensive players).
If Duncan is healthy, the Cardinals need him to play regularly in their outfield.
by bgh on Mar 23, 2008 12:05 PM EDT 0 recs
They should play him. And I wish they'd play him against at least some left handers.
It would be interesting to see if he can develop into a guy who can hit them. You never really know until you try.....
As far as all the defensive metrics, Okay. Maybe he's not so bad out there. But he sure looks bad out there.....Here's to improvement all around.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Mar 23, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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His swing better get healthy soon
or he'll find his butt warming the bench in Memphis. There are too many good outfielders in the Cardinal organization to have a healthy Duncan with a .200 batting average being in the line-up with a .280 plus hitter (Barton, Rasmus, Ludwick, etc) sitting on the bench twiddling fingers. I see that Barden cleared waivers off the Cards 40 man Roster. Who is being added, Rasmus?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on
Mar 23, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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every defensive metric outside of BP
has had Duncan as a -15ish player in LF. UZR, PMR, SFR, etc -- anything that's even remotely play-by-play in nature. Duncan isn't anything close to an average defensive LF.
by azruavatar on
Mar 23, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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it's important to consider
how bad his defense was the last month or so, though. He could barely run at all (anecdotally) and that had to drag his overall numbers down. I really wish there was a day-by-day-style tool for measuring defense over time.
i agree, also anecdotally he isn't anywhere near "average", but i don't believe his final '07 numbers are his true talent level on defense or on offense.
by SleepyCA on
Mar 23, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
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Skip Schumaker not on this board Roster?
Hey.... does somebody not like the Schu?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 23, 2008 12:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Doesn't look like there's a Gameday link today ...
They must be searching for eggs or something ... today's game is not on the list ... bummer ... at least there's audio for it ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 23, 2008 12:50 PM EDT 0 recs
It just wasn't available yet ...
For those searching ... here is today's Gameday link ...
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_23_slnmlb_nynmlb_1&brand=mlb
I wish Reyes was starting today rather than Wellenmeyer ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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KSDK
The game is also on KSDK channel 5 if you are in this area.
by StLHugo on
Mar 23, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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Why does it not bode well for Pujols extension?
If Cabrera lowered the bar back down, why would it not bode well for the Cardinals?
If DeWitt isn't willing to just pay Pujols $20 M for 5 years and just label it sunk costs or franchise investment, perhaps it's time for him to sell the team.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 23, 2008 1:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Absolutely ...
Not extending Albert is NOT an option ... if they don't, they certainly don't want me as a fan anymore ... I want to see Albert break every Cardinal record Stan Musial owns ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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wouldn't you rather
the cards do what's best for the team? if your fandom is dependent on whether they have pujols, then just follow him to the new team... maybe change your ID to Pujols4Ever
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
by _pistol_ on
Mar 23, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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if you don't think extending Albert Pujols is best for the team ...
I would tend to question or other opinions regarding the team ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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'your' not 'or'
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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well my point is...
the decision to sign him to a longer-term deal, should be a value-based business decision - not an emotional one. after his decline last year, there's no guarantee that he'll be worth 20m (post 2012) per year for 5 years. in fact, it might be bit too risky.
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
by _pistol_ on
Mar 23, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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I hardly think inking Albert for 5 years at 20m per is an emotional decision ...
he's much more valuable than Jeter who makes much more ... Albert IS the franchise ... just look what happens to the team anytime he's out for any extended period of time ... extending Albert creates wins, gives you a gold glove first baseman, and puts fans in the seats ... what else could you possibly want ... he's the best player in baseball ... certainly right now ... possibly ever ... your point is well taken regarding health ... but I'm assuming that will be there, and these things are always subject to physicals ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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FWIW
the cards were 8-7 in the 17 days in '06 that AFAIK was the only extended period of time they were without albert... and one of those glorious 8-game losing streaks started the day before they got him back.
(just messin' ;) we absolutely have to resign him no matter what it costs...)
by SleepyCA on
Mar 23, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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I might have read it wrong.
But he said "I wonder if it doesn’t bode well". Am I the only one that reads that as him actually thinking it is good for the cards chances. The context of it just makes me think that is what it meant. Of course I may be wrong, If so I blame it on not being on here since the end of last season. My mind may not be in regular season form yet.
by mattyfrommo on
Mar 23, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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My comment is meant to imply
that it DOES bode well for the Pujols extension. It's a double negative. I'll admit -- not great grammar but I think the Cabrera signing does make it potentially easier for the team to resign Pujols.
by houstoncardinal on
Mar 23, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
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I'm just stoopid
You is right.
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by Hardcore Legend on
Mar 23, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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El Duque
El Duque is really off today.
And Izturis is having a nice fielding day.
by StLHugo on Mar 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT 0 recs
I know ...
ain't it wonderful ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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I read Houston's
comment on extending Pujols as it does bode well for extending him in 2010 with the Redbirds.
Sounds like all the ST observers say Barton is only a LF,
didn't Ankiel mostly play center in the minors? I'd like to see him in right and as long as Shu can play CF and hit put him there but I'm no expert.
jillsinmo-when I got your lighter note I LOL ( ; > )
by bigchieftootiemontana on Mar 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT 0 recs
Anybody watching on MLB.tv ???
was the ball hit over Dunc's head catchable?
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 23, 2008 1:54 PM EDT 0 recs
if positioned different maybe
from where he was positioned he probably didn't have a chance on it, maybe a better break would have gotten it but he made the smart call letting it drop from what I got. BTW I am watching it on channel 5.
by StLHugo on
Mar 23, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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probably not
but most would have looked better missing it!
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you haven't grasped the situation!
by sportsman on
Mar 23, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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Todd Wellemeyer now has a higher BA than Cesar Izturis.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
by Mr Redbird on Mar 23, 2008 2:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Of course...
he also has a higher BA than Molina and Duncan, so I guess that point sucks.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that Izturis is a waste of a roster spot.
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by Mr Redbird on
Mar 23, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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With his second hit ...
Wellenmeyer is WAY ahead of Izturis and Duncan ... come on you position players ... get it in gear !!!
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by Cardinals4Ever on
Mar 23, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Nice hit Ankiel
that was just a nice home run, not a long shot but nice well over the fence.
by StLHugo on Mar 23, 2008 2:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Way to go Rick !!!
I'm looking forward to watching him all season long ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 23, 2008 2:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Next inning would be a fine time for Hindenburg
to throw up a 10 spot with 6 walks, if he wouldn't mind.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 23, 2008 2:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Wellenmeyer is looking good ...
isn't he? He can bring some heat ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 23, 2008 2:16 PM EDT 0 recs
I thought Wellemeyer looked terrible over the course of the game
he was inefficient and wild with his pitches. His walk rate problems aren't going to go away it seems. He'll struggle to make it out of the 5th on any kind of regular basis if he pitches like he did today.
by azruavatar on
Mar 23, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
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But Duncan
likes the way he controls his pitch counts. I guess he doesn't care about Wellemeyer's history of a complete inability to consistently throw strikes.
by houstoncardinal on
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He looks like last year ...
in that he finds a way to keep the Cards in it, but he won't go more than 5 innings because of his control.
by etp_stl on
Mar 23, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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The Mets are imploding ...
ain't it cool!!! ... they're still POND SCUM ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Who wouldn't have rather seen Barton or Glaus ...
batting in the 2 spot instead of Miles with 1 out and 2 on on 2nd and third ... Pip at Fungoes was advocating hitting Glaus second the other day on his blog ... cited his better production there; and in general, batting your better hitters early in the order ... he also mentioned that with Ankiel, Ludwick and (supposedly) Duncan, there should be enough protection for Albert from them ... it was an interesting idea ... does anyone here put any stock in it ?
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