2008 Draft Preview- College Position Players
The Cardinals had an off day yesterday, and I haven't done one of these in a couple of weeks, so I think it's a pretty good day for it.
Derrick Goold, as always, delivers the goods over at Bird Land. He has a great little piece up about Bryan Anderson and Mike Matheny. As a huge Anderson backer, I love reading stuff like this.
Not a whole lot of an intro today, let's just get right into it. In this edition of the draft preview, I'll be covering a couple of collegiate position players.
Jemile Weeks, 2b, University of Miami5'9" 170lbs.
DOB:26th January, 1987
So, what's so great about this guy?
Jemile Weeks is the younger brother of Rickie Weeks, the Milwaukee Brewers' second baseman. Much like his older brother, Jemile is a ridiculously athletic middle infielder. Overall, though, there are just as many differences between the two brothers as there are similarities.
Jemile is a prototypical leadoff type hitter. He offers pure speed that rates a 70 or even an 80 on the scouting scale. He has the same strong wrists and quick bat as his brother, and he's a switch hitter to boot. Jemile does not, however, bring the same kind of power to the plate that Rickie does, as his overall physical strength is not as great. Jemile has excellent on base skills, with very good plate discipline to go along with the ability to make consistent, solid contact. He does have the ability to drive the ball with some power into the gaps, making him a triple waiting to happen.
In the field, Jemile uses his small, nimble frame to play a well above average second base. The same speed that makes him such a threat on the basepaths translates into excellent range in the middle of the diamond. Along with his range, Weeks has extremely quick hands, allowing him to make a fast transfer from glove to throwing hand. His arm is also above average, allowing him to make plays that very few other second baseman can. He's a polished, fundamentally sound player in all phases of the game, with good footwork and an excellent idea of what he wants to do at all times.
Weeks is a very intriguing player. He's polished enough that he could potentially move quickly through a farm system, while being athletic enough to offer a fairly high ceiling. Picking him at 13, though, might be a bit too high. I doubt he'll be available in the supplemental round. Personally, I see Weeks going sometime in the 20-28 range overall. I would love to get him in the supp., but I think he's going to fall in between the Cardinals' picks. (Come to think of it, I seem to have said that about an awful lot of players.)
Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
6'0" 185lbs.
DOB: 16th September, 1986
So, what's so great about this guy?
Beckham is, quite possibly, the hottest player in the nation right now. He was already seen as a mid to late first round pick going into this season, and he has started out like a house on fire. So far, he's leading the SEC in most categories. All you really need to know, though, is that he's hitting .507 and has 9 home runs in 15 games.
On the field, Beckham is a complete player. He doesn't offer quite the off the charts athleticism of Jemile Weeks, but performs admirably in all phases of the game. To begin with, Beckham is one of the best bats available in the draft who doesn't play first base. In 2007, his sophomore season, Beckham hit .307, with 13 round trippers, 19 doubles, and 51 RBIs. He started all 56 games last year and held up well even in the Georgia heat. He has a good approach at the plate, with a balanced, line drive stroke from the right side. He gets excellent bat speed, and has enough loft to drive mistakes out of the park. At times, his swing can get a little long, but that has happened much less often as he's matured as a player.
Beckham's physical tools are above average across the board. He's not a burner, but still offers good speed, both on the basepaths and in the field. His arm is strong and accurate, allowing him to make plays from the hole at short. He has all the tools to be a standout defensive player, but, to this point, hasn't quite put it together. He made 16 errors last season, good for only a .943 FP. Most of his errors, though, at least from what I understand, are of the ill advised throws and overzealous play type. Those sorts of errors can be eliminated with coaching. Beckham would have better luck if he learned to play a bit more under control in the field. Beckham's build is a little reminiscient of Miguel Tejada, with a more solid, muscular frame than the waterbug type you see from many middle infielders. He is a couple inches taller than Tejada, though.
Bottom line, Beckham was seen going somewhere between 12 and about 18 or 19 in the draft before the season. He has obviously increased his stock with his performance thus far. He offers an attractive package of polish and upside for the Cardinals, if he were available and they chose to pick him. The Cards have taken a shortstop in the first round two out of the last three years, though, and I wonder if they would really want to take another. Personally, I think Beckham would be a very nice pick. I generally prefer high schoolers, but Beckham fits in with my desire for the team to build up the middle first, with premium defensive position players being preferable.
Buster Posey, C, Florida St.
6'2" 200lbs.
DOB:
So, what's so great about this guy?
Buster Posey is on of the most intriguing players in the entire draft. Posey plays catcher now, but up until last year, he was a shortstop and occasional closer. As befitting a former middle infielder, Posey offers an athletic base of tools that really aren't in line with your typical catcher.
Last year, his first at the catcher position, Posey hit .382, with 94 hits overall, 21 doubles, and 65 RBIs. He's a legitimate top or middle of the lineup hitter, offering enough on base skills to bat 2nd or 3rd, with enough present power to project as possibly a 5th or 6th hitter. Posey helped his stock significantly last summer with a great performance in the Cape Cod League, showing off a swing that translates to wood very well.
Posey's offensive profile is very impressive, with polish to spare. There are some questions about his long term power potential, though. Some scouts see him as a future slugger, while others see him topping out around the 15 HR mark or so. Either way, at the catcher position, Posey is a rare commodity. His speed is just average, although good for a catcher, and his range at short was a little suspect, a big reason why he was moved.
Defensively, while he is still admittedly developing, Posey appears poised beyond his experience level. He appeared in all 62 games that Florida State played last year, and accumulated a .994 FP. His arm is strong, even for a catcher, and accurate, allowing him to throw out 41% of attempted basestealers last season. As a closer, Posey topped out around 93 mph, so his arm obviously isn't a concern. He also had solid mechanics and a good breaking ball, showcasing excellent body control, which should allow him to excel at blocking balls and setting to throw down the line. It's not all rosy for Posey, though, (see what I did there?) at least not behind the plate. He's obviously still developing and learning the position. He moves well, but his technique at blocking balls and his footwork overall is still somewhat raw. When the only real negatives on a player are related to inexperience, though, you have to believe you have a potentially special player.
I see a little bit of Russel Martin or J.R. Towles in Posey. A catcher with athletic abilities that are very unusual for the position, he has definite impact potential. Given that, though, I'm having kind of a tough time figuring out where Posey is going to go in the draft. I think he would be a really good pick for the Cards, but I don't really see them taking him. Catcher is a position of real depth in the organisation, and I'm not sure if they would want to spend such a high draft pick on a player they might see as somewhat redundant. I think Posey is such an unusual talent, though, that he would make a wonderful addition to the farm system, completely apart from any other factors.
I'm not sure if any of these three players really represent a likely choice for the Cardinals in June. All three are extremely talented players, and all three could potentially be impact players down the road. Given where the Cards' strengths, weaknesses, and recent draft history falls, though, all three of these guys could be passed over for various reasons.
All right. About two more of these, I think. 'Til next time, everybody.
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Your link to Gordon Beckham doesn't work.
If he's from Georgia, forget about him. The Braves will make sure they draft him......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Also, the birdland link...
should be
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/03/anderson-catches-mathenys-attention/
It's a good read. How long before Matheny is officially on the Cards' payroll as a coach/instructor?
I think...
Matheny has come out and said at least 2011 or 2013 - i.e. - after his kids are out of school. (whether that is elementary school or high school or somewhere in between, I don't know.)
stlfan
Baron, you mentioned Goold's post
about Anderson, but you failed to hit this interesting bit:
"Kyle Russell, OF, University of Texas: Last year, as a sophomore-eligible draftee, Russell led NCAA Division I in home runs. … (The Cardinals) were unable to sign him, not because they didn’t try, or didn’t want to; they just didn’t feel he was worth seven figures because of his loopy swing and propensity for strikeouts. Returning to college for his junior year, Russell had seen his stock drop significantly, hitting just one home run in 51 at-bats as part of a bizarre .255/.480/.373 line that includes 18 walks and 17 strikeouts. Sure, he’s getting pitched around, but at least as this point, with last year’s holdout, he cost himself hundreds of thousands of dollars."
BTW, it was great to hear that Matheny is taking it upon himself to school this youngster. I sure hope Mike is offered/accepts some sort of coaching gig in our organization.
Russell
I knew this would happen to him all along. He had one great year with Aluminum but never put it together with wood. Even if he had a great year again this season I doubted he would get more then what he was offered. Why not jump into a minor league system now and try to get to the MLB one year sooner?
Yeah
Once again, what the team did with him made sense: they wanted him, but they weren't going to give him a huge contract beyond the value of a player that had never played in a wood bat league. For now, it looks like they made the right decision, and Russell got too excited about the dollar signs in his eye.
All college players = aluminum bats?
This is a dumb question, but should we assume that all of these players are playing with aluminum bats?
I wouldn't worry so much in the case of a guy like Beckham who is on a tremendous binge, but an all-speed/gap-power guy like Jemile Weeks might take a severe downward turn in value with a poor transition to wood bats....
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
thats how I understand it
From what I have gathered College and below leagues use Aluminum bats (wood bats breaking seem to be a safety concern but the faster balls I guess aren't as big of one). Some summer leagues use wood though and it is in those leagues that Russell struggled tremendously compared to his previous NCAA season.
Matheny's
comments about Anderson also gave me a lift. I cringed a little each time Anderson's name was mentioned in trades this winter on VEB (and his name was thrown around a good bit). I don't know, I have just had a feeling about him...though I'm usually only about half-right.
I only saw him once in the Tiawan Championship series and he didn't disappoint me. I thought he looked like a hitter and I thought he looked like a catcher.
Weeks
Having seen him play last year at the Mizzou regional I'd be underwhelmed (Mizzou by the way is pitching insanity this year, they've struck out 58 batters the last 5 games, the team's K/9 is 9.85). He's more really quick than true 70/80 burner speed so he's not a true Jose Reyes/Carl Crawford turn-a-single-into-a-double type. The rest you mention, a solid player no doubt but not 13th overall at least as I saw.
With no evidence to the contrary, Colby Rasmus is clutch
Draft
I am getting really excited for the draft...I dont know why maybe I am following a little closer this year but I would be happy with either Weeks or Beckham (although i would like to get weeks in the supp round) I think there are a lot of players that could help us out in this draft...
p.s. Baron you really need an avatar, unless that is really you in the generic one...in which case, bravo
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon
Buster Posey
I appreciate your comments on Posey and agree with them. I've followed him at FSU, and this year he has played C and 2b as well as closing games. I expect that his fundamentals at catcher will improve, and would love to see the Cards take a chance on him. A surplus of capable catchers seems to me to be an advantage, not a problem.
Off Topic - Red Sox Boycott
Black eye today to MLB thanks to whomever decided NOT to pay the coaches and trainers a promised $40,000 bonus. A two week trip to Japan deserves something for these guys. Hmm.... someone is to blame.... Hey Selig! Wake up and pay the guys!
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 19, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Saw that on ESPN
That is absolutely ridiculous. I applaud the Red Sox for the steps they're taking in this matter.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 19, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB can pay
Hmmm.... They can make up the money they promised to pay (and I think they will) by fining the players $50,000 for boycotting todays game against the Bluejays. What a joke this all is. Maybe other teams will boycott today..... we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out. Bad for Baseball is what it is. MLB made millions last year and someone thinks saving a million on this trip is worth all this?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 19, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Gameday link
I finally found a source for gameday links but today's isn't working. Anybody having any luck?
Start Skippy!
Try this one ...
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_19_slnmlb_balmlb_1&brand=mlb
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Always glad to help ...
If for some reason you can't access Liam's site (I had trouble a couple of times), the official MLB link to Gameday is:
http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also ...
One of the blog frequenters, Liam, has a site with all the Gamedays links ... it is:
http://heylisten.blogspot.com/search/label/gameday
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It is niced to see that Albert won't be going
through a 3 month slump to start the season again this year.
Oh yeah, Cesar still sux.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
Albert Rocks !!!
I love to watch that man bat ... he's the best hitter I've ever seen ... I hope he gets out to a fast start and stays at least as healthy as he is right now ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cesar ICKturis ...
kills another rally ... I'm going to start tracking them from now on ... taking a quick look back, that looks like the fifth time he's killed a rally this spring ...
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Thanks for playing anyway ...
Mr. Loewen ...
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Whoa!
Kennedy doubles, Isturiz singles him home. Can you believe it. What a powerful combo they make.
I'm really happy about the way ...
Adam K. has caught fire recently ... I've always like him at 2B (except for last year, of course) ... good to see him back ... I hope it carries forward to the season ... Mr. Ickturis still has a bit to prove, me thinks ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We've got the hitting shoes on today ...
Even ICKturis singles, has an RBI, steals a base and scores ... keep it up ... you know they're gonna play him ...
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Bad Pitching
Me thinks exceptionally poor pitching may also be playing a role. 4 BBs, 2 hbp / 3 innings = control issues.
I'm gonna back off AK for awhile..
gotta give credit where credit is due. He's hitting the ball
Start Skippy!
Spring batting AVGs
Our current lineup actually has some decent averages besides Molina and Izturis:
Schumaker: .333
Barton: .341
Pujols: .381
Glaus: .368
Ankiel: .367
Ludwick: .286
Molina: .220
Kennedy: .368
Izturis: .158
Thompson ...
is having a great start so far (knock on wood) ... I would rather see him in the rotation temporarily rather than Looper ... I think Looper needs to go back to the pen ... it looks like last year was an apparition (sp) ... move Brad back to the pen when Piniero and/or Clement become available ...
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I don't see that happening
If Thompson makes the rotation, it'll be because they've decided to send Reyes to Memphis. Looper may not end the season in the rotation, but I've seen no sign that TLR is considering bumping him to the bullpen at this stage.
Opening day rotation
I think it could happen with Reyes staying up.
This could be our opening day rotation: Wainwright, Lohse, Looper, Reyes, Thompson/Wellemeyer
Unless Clement, Mulder or Pineiro are ready opening day then there are 2 slots to fill and Thompson is fighting for at least one of em.
I think ...
Tony should really start considering it ... Looper seems clueless out there so far ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what they do.
Does anyone remember Mr. Mozeliak saying he wanted Anthony Reyes in the rotation in the PD awhile back? Are we about to find out something here when they name the rotation? Like who is in charge here? Stay tuned..........
Actually, I bet Mr. Duncan and Mr. LaRussa would rather have Mr. Looper looking bad than Mr. Reyes or Mr. Thompson looking good. It's much less risky; they have lots of notes on cards about Mr. Looper, not so many on Mr. Reyes and Mr. Thompson.
Boy, I sound like a cynical beetch, don't I. Sorry. Good day to you all!
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Strauss already has announced the rotation
Lohse
Wainwright
Looper
Wellemeyer
Reyes
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
continuing that thought
(while I continue to learn how the new platform works), Strauss' story said Wellemeyer was in but the last slot is still up in the air.
I'm glad to see Anthony's name on there.
I have a huge Mom crush on him because of the way he handled himself last year; he behaved as a serious professional should behave, even if he didn't pitch like one, and I admired him for that. It had to be hard-he had never failed like that as a pro or in college.
But the crush intensified after he reported to camp saying he didn't think one more moment about it, went to the beach, turned off his phone, telling his agent to call him if he hears anything about being traded, and went to work. He went through a rigorous physical regiman, worked on his pitching mechanics with an old coach and his father, because they knew him best when he was going good. Took a moment to remind himself that he played baseball because he loved to, and determined to make sure it was fun for him again.
He hasn't been a world beater in spring training, but he has shown up ready, and what appears to be a determination to NOT repeat the past. I hope it works out for all involved...
If you're reading this Mr. Reyes, you can date my daughter.....heck, you can even date my son!
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Oh, so after my long post Anthony's not there.
Never mind.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Nope. He can date my son too.
You do know I'm kidding-as for as I know my son nor Mr. Reyes is gay.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
But I should stop there......that's how rumors get started. My bad.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Jill
Don't worry, Anthony was locked in as #5 when I went to the link.
It was:
Lohse
Wainer
Looper
Welle
Reyes
I would like Reyes to start because he has more upside than Joel P, Matt C, Brad Thompson, Mark Mulder, Looper, Welle.......... It does not mean he will be good, but he is younger and was pretty highly touted. I see them giving him every chance to fail just like last year. He can't really be traded for much at this time so you need him to pitch well no matter if you want to keep him or trade him.
I will agree Jill, I never really heard much about Reyes complaining, but I don't remember many of the guys complaing last year.
Where are you seeing that list?
Here's the paragraph I'm seeing in Strauss' story today:
Wainwright, Lohse, Looper and Wellemeyer appear set. Duncan has not yet publicly committed to the enigmatic Reyes, who threw four scoreless innings against Atlanta on Monday but remains in competition with Brad Thompson, today's scheduled starter against the Orioles.
DCGreg
I got it from the link you posted. It went to the PD.
There is a picture with the starters. Then down the article in the
STARTERS: ENVELOPE PLEASE,. it like of said Lohse, Wainer, Looper, Welle, and Reyes would be starters and Welle and Reyes are starters since Pinero and Clement will be pushed back. Of course Carp and Mulder are out of the equation now.
I just assumed Reyes beat out Thompson.
The next paragraph
If you read the next paragraph after that IC you will see the quote DCGreg posted which says that is the predicted and all but Reyes are set.
I see
Hummm.... Well let's see what happens. I don't see Reyes as a bull pen type guy. I would just keep Thompson in the pen and use him as a spot starter, which seems to be his best role. I think Anthony should get a chance at the starting spot.
Thanks Hugo, I was just kind of skimming the article and assumed Reyes was the 5th starter.
Oh, yee of little faith.
I don't assume he's going to be anything like last year.
This idea that they can't trade him is false. They probably won't get a pitcher for him, but they most certainly can trade him. There were 10 teams that inquired about him at the winter meetings, all Mr. Mozeliak has to do his start calling those teams. I'm sure one of them can find a spot for a young, cheap, promising pitcher-because where you see failure, someone else sees Oliver Perez, or Bronson Arroyo, or any number of young arms that struggled at the beginning of their career.
There is a market for him-and I got that from a friend that's a scout.........
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Reyes
I don't think he can be as bad as last year, that would be tough to do!
I am not sure how good he can be, but he surely can't be that bad. I know he is tradeable and teams would like to see what they can do with him. I was saying he is not tradeable if you are the Cardinals and are interested in getting some talent for him. Heck they could trade him today for anybody, but it does not mean STL is getting a good player. They have no need to just unload Reyes at this point.
I don't know why people are so worried about the Cardinals having "too many pitchers" Heck with the rotation right now no one outside of Lohse or Wainwright is gauranteed to give you much. I am not saying Lohse is great but you know he will eat innings and be average. AW looks to be heading in the right direction so I say he at worst will be league average.
Yowzer
I hope Reyes and Looper can go deep in some games this year. Those last three pitchers (Looper, Wellemeyer, Reyes) will be lucky if they average six innings a start, imo.
That's a lot of innings for the bullpen to pick up.
by arch support on Mar 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to let him get shelled in a couple of regular season games first
For all we know, he's working on a new pitch or something, and it's not a pitche he's going to feature. Or he's just trying to improve hitting his spots and isn't throwng at his normal effort level. It's spring training, after all.
Is it just me ...
or does Gameday seem to be acting Wack-o today ...
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I could lie.....
But I cannot. It's wack-o indeed! But if the Cards can score 7 or more doing it this way, I'll bid my time.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 19, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps there offensive prowess ...
has stunned the Gameday administrators ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
hey ... Ickturis with another hit and run scored ...
maybe he is dumbfounding Gameday all by himself ... watch out! ... one more hit and he may break .200 ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't tell
truth from fiction from the way gameday is all over the place today, but poor Ludwick and Molina have stranded 15 runners between them. You know that makes them happy.
Must be a rain delay
or Steve Traschel has entered the game.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
HA !
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Has to be the "Iz" fault GAMEDAY bites today.
Two for Three, RBI, Two Runs, Stolen Base and several put-outs. I guess the inflection of being called "Spivey-like" (present company included) has him fired up.
I have ALWAYS like Brad ...
He comes in and gets outs, most of the time ... He's having a terrific spring ... and he sure just pitched out of 2nd and 3rd, 1 out trouble just now ... the kid's good ... I do think though he's better coming out of the pen ... I know he was a starter in the minors ... he just doesn't seem to be as consistently good as a starter ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 19, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. This new platform is really great, but
I just lost a long screed of a post somewhere in cyberspace. ARG! I'm going home.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
when typing long posts
i've started using word/note pad and then copy/paste to post. it has saved me a fair amount of aggravation.
Oh, thanks.
That's too much information for me though. If I have to put any thought into anything I do at my computer, I'm done. Just ask any of your old friends-they'll tell you the same thing. We can only do what we can do, if you catch my drift.
But really, thanks for the info......
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Jillsinmo
I think I see how you lost your string of post...Red Baron continued his post to a second page. If you leave the thread and come back and click on comments at the 1st page, you will only see the 1st 16 comments..but if you click on link to continue to 2nd page then click comment you will see them all.
Strange, ain't it.
Nooooooo.....
Stop! I have to think to do that.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Beckham sounds like
he should be playing 3rd from your description.
Does he project to stick at SS or move to a corner inf or of position?
"Why does he keep saying that?"
Ditto
The Cards shouldn't see a problem with drafting a lot of shortstops, especially if they have offensive prowess, as they can be most easily converted to other defensive positions around the field. The Dodgers and Angels both, I believe, stockpiled a ton of shortstops in the draft several years ago who were later converted and/or traded to fill other needs. Joel Guzman, Chone Figgins and Brandon Wood come immediately to mind.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
Yes....you can never have to much pitching OR too much shortstop.....
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
In case anyone is interested,
Mozeliak will be on with Bernie and Randy at 4:20 CDT. Here's the station link:
http://www.team1380.net/
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
hey ... Chris Duncan homers ..
Those thousands of practice swings pay off ... actually, I think Chris needs to take it easy ... he's pressing way to hard ... but, I hope he comes back with a vengence ... way to go Chris!
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Extra B.P. pays off
Guess Duncan found his swing (for one at-bat, anyway)
Good for him. Been a frustrating spring for him. If he starts to get hot, does he platoon with Barton during the regular season?
The Guy running GameDay....
must be the same idiot who decided NOT to pay the coaches and trainers from the Bo-Sox & A's for the trip to Japan. This just bites today. Stupid analogy, but forgive me... it's really bugging me.
The wind must be blowing out to LF
look at the hit chart.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Chris Duncan ... hit number two ...
excellent ... and Skip hits his second homer of the spring ... just look at all those pretty, crooked numbers ...
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Gameday was false
Skip didn't hit a HR. They've corrected it.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you sure?
Box score on O's site says Skippy 3-6 with a homer and a double.
I'm not doubting you though... I trust you way more than I do Gameday - what's up with them lately anyway???
Start Skippy!
I trust the box score right now until further evidence
Schumaker (2, 8th inning off Walker, 1 on, 2 out).
http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080319&content_id=2444057&vkey=spt2008gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
Not that I don't trust HL its just that the box score still shows HR.
Ft. Lauderdale & Spring Break
Equals Cards having a very good day. "Cards Gone Wild" coming to a video store near you. Whoo Hoo!
That's now 5 out of the last 6 games ...
We're almost .500 on the month ... great game!
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...
Anyone know why the VEB logo doesn't
show up in the title bar on Firefox?
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
Mozilla Add-Ons
If your talking about your bookmarks below the address and navigation buttons, that can be fixed. I used Favicon Picker 2 from:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3176
you can manually add favicons(icons for your favorites) through interface supplied by favicon picker 2. If your not talking about favicons, then i simply have no idea.
VEB hasn't set a favicon
To piggy back on Brindled. Each site has to pick a favicon in their html file and VEB hasn't chosen one from what I can tell. I found a website that can take any picture and automatically shrink it to the correct size for a favicon so it shouldn't take that much work to get it done. It is actually something that I have wondered about since I started coming here regularly.
I'm not looking for TLR to trash his players in the media
(although it's happened) but at what point does Cesar Izturis get the Junior Spivey treatment. In 42 PAs, Izturis is hitting .175/.214/.275 with 6 errors.
Yet again we have the latest round of quotes from TLR:
"What bothers you most the errors or the hits?" La Russa asked the media this morning. "He’s playing very well defensively. So, the errors — I don’t have any problems with. If you’re going to evaluate people on the number of errors in spring training, over time you’re going to make a lot of mistakes. There’s some guys who can’t play, but not him. Hitting, I think he’s getting better."
I'm not sure how that can be said with a straight face but let's take him at his word. Let's say that the errors are a result of Izturis getting to more balls than other SS (except that Goold later lists the reasons and it's not better range). Did his hitting have anywhere to go but up? Unless you weave an elaborate story to trace the lines between (alleged) injuries, there's little expectation for Izturis to be a replacement level hitter.
But offense won’t decide who is the starting shortstop. Defense will. [...] At third, Ryan has been slick. At shortstop, La Russa called Ryan "erratic." That’s a charged word. But Ryan does play the position he’s knows best a little loose.
Yes, that sounds like a valid decision making progress: let's ignore a full 50+% of a player's contributions when deciding who is the better player. Frankly, that's the only way Izturis could win the starting shortstop job over Brendan Ryan whose the better all around player and certainly the better offensive contributor.
I have to admit that the writing by Goold irked me in this article. There's no clear explanation of why Ryan is "erratic" or "loose" at SS, yet the errors by Izturis are largely wishcast away. Double standard me thinks. Why does it matter if Ryan's best defensive efforts have come at other positions? If Ryan's normal effort at SS is better than Izturis then Ryan should play over Izturis. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
The only (nearly) accurate part of the article is when Goold says:
Izturis is the starter. But Ryan is a major-leaguer.
Change "a" to "the" and you've got the real answer here. Once again the Cardinals continue to ignore who the better player projects to be statistically and who is playing better this spring in favor of a "veteran".
The Izturis thing
is really starting to bother me. This whole thing is making me like Aaron Miles a little more, because I think even he deserves a roster spot over Izturis. Maybe when Izturis is hitting .213 with 15 errors in June, maybe then they'll finally realize he's not "snapping out of it."
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
goold gets it, I think
In the comments to his article on monday:
Seems to me that La Russa is just supporting the starter, even if it means obfuscating some of the numbers and downplaying the performance of another individual. Cardinals/La Russa want Izturis to be the starting shortstop (even if his plus-minus now stands at minus-1), and will say whatever he needs to publicly to show that confidence. Heard the same kind of things when it comes to struggling pitchers …
And that's cool, except that it comes at the expense of a better player. If Ryan didn't exist, TLR would be handling this properly. Unfortunately for Iz2, Ryan exists, and therefore TLR is NOT handling this properly. He's decided who his starter is going to be without doing an honest talent assessment, and that is just not very professional.
I also heartily disagree with goold's description of Iz2's defensive performance in the article you take apart here, though. If anything, Iz2 should have at least 4 more errors than he has been given by scorekeepers. To say one of his errors was due to a tough call makes it sound like he's better than his error number implies, which is not true at all.
Deja vu all over again.
Anyone remember Kip Wells? The pitcher that Mr. Duncan and Mr. LaRussa saw something in, and wanted so badly they had Mr. Jocketty get permission from Mr. DeWitt to sign him? The same pitcher that had nothing good in his record for years and years, bad stats all around, coming off of an injury? I don't want to be rude here, but I think it's fair to question his judgement.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Or Chris Carpenter
the player that Duncan saw something in, and everyone hate so badly, and every Cub fan friend of mine mocked me for him being signed by the Cardinals.
You see something in these guys that may or may not be developed. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But at least it requires minimal investment.
"You say the world has lost it's love. I say embrace what it's made of" - Dar Williams
Even if I agreed with TRL that Izturis is the better shortstop (which I don't),
Ryan would still have my vote. I love Yadier Molina, but he is also in the lineup for defensive purposes. When the bottom of our order is:
Yadi
Pitcher
Izturis
That is a nice little break for opposing pitchers after facing the heart of the order. I would MUCH rather see Ryan's bat down there.
Speaking of which, I noticed with the DH in the lineup today, Izturis still hit ninth. By TLR's current philosophy shouldn't he have hit our worst hitter (Iz-2) in the 8 spot?
This situation is very bothersome to me (as it is to many of you).
Billy Crystal is a tougher out than Izturis.
by tangledbrett on Mar 19, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Threadjack
I will sponsor today's threadjack with my own stupidity. I was in Louisiana during our VEB online fantasy draft, and I had to resort to an autopick. How in the world do I access my team?
I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown
Log in to yahoo
if your league is on Yahoo, then just log into yahoo and go to fantasy website, you should see your team listed. Once on your leagues page then you just start moving the pieces around.
Nostalgia time......
Came across an article about Roy Halliday in awe watching his new teammate Scott Rolen work the pitcher for a nine pitch walk. He's having a very nice spring, and I miss him already. Mr. Halliday, I raise your 9, because I remember an 11 pitch walk........
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
That passes the grit test
I love Scotty. Glad he's not somewhere else in the division where I'd have to actively root against him. Hopefully he can revenge himself on the cursed Red Sox.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
Well, if you remember his presser with his new G. M. he feigned indignation when he was
called a "dirtbag" by him. Funny stuff. No really, they are very happy with him because they think that gritty, determined attitude is just what they need to help push them to the next level.
I will never be able to root against Scott. I just can't.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
I love Scott. He was my favorite Cardinals player over the last 5 years
but he still isn't even the same player he was in 2006. He still can't catch up to fastballs anywhere above his kneecaps and it's only a matter of time before he hits the DL again.
Eckstein, from what I hear, has been awful.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 20, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense, but...
The dogmatic tone with which you prognosticate on Rolen's current ability rankles a bit. You really don't actually know if Scott is fully healthy again, but you comment as if it were fact rather than opinion.
Scott claims he is healthy again, and his spring numbers seem to back that up...but of course it could always just be pre-season posturing and feasting on minor league pitchers in ST. But the fact is, it could also be true...he really could be healthy again for the first time in several years.
So unless you are secretly Scott's orthopedic surgeon or his personal trainer, you might consider sticking a "probably" or a "seems unlikely" in your overly definitive statements. Just a suggestion.
Scotty is my favorite player, as well. He was the very first Cardinal for whom I decided to drop $100 for an official jersey, and I did that immediately after he signed that long contract with us. Personally, I would love to see Rolen regain his form and have a great year...just to further drive home what a terrible move resigning LaRussa was. I was livid when Dimwitt gave Tony a contract while we were still searching for a GM. Not only did it nearly screw us in the GM search, it also scuttled any chance for real rebuilding and guaranteed we'd need to replace our 3rd baseman. But who knows...maybe Scott will never have a .900 OPS again.
I wonder what the odds would be for Rolen having a higher Runs Created+Runs Saved than Glaus this year?
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Hmmm.......
.......high horse......thin air...surely not! Nah....
"Son, we'd like to keep you around for the season but we're gonna try to win the pennant." Old Casey
by cardschinmusic on Mar 20, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Last chance for March Madness
Anyone that wants in:
Larry, if you read this, please mention it in your daily post tomorrow so people in the AM can sign up if they like. It's free and just for good 'ole fashion fun.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 19, 2008 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
Sweet!
Just joined.
Billy Crystal is a tougher out than Izturis.
by tangledbrett on Mar 20, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

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