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Monday Morning Media Musings

Well, the new format is here. It's going to take some time to get used to, I suppose. So far, I'm okay with it, but not completely ecstatic. Probably just the newness of the thing. Some of the new features seem pretty great, but it doesn't seem much easier to use to me. Oh well. Doesn't really matter what I think, does it? I'll get used to it. Trust me, I'm usually like this about new things. I don't like them for awhile, then, once I'm used to it, I can see the good things about it. Just part of my nature, I suppose.

Anyway, I took over today in order to give Lb a day off since he had severe extra duties over the weekend, trying to get everything all set up. I thought I would keep it brief today, seeing as how I'm sure many are still playing around with the new site itself, and just offer up a quick topic for everyone to discuss.

First, though, I wanted to say that I've been reading quite a bit lately that Chris Perez is unlikely to make the team out of spring. After watching him pitch, particularly yesterday afternoon, I have to say, I think he belongs on this team. There's been some discussion of starting McClellan in the major league bullpen, and that sounds like an okay idea to me, but Perez just looks ready to compete at this level. He obviously still has a couple of rough edges, but I think he'll learn more in St. Louis, taking his turns in the fifth or sixth innings, than he would closing down in Memphis. I could be wrong, but he just looks to me like he should be here.

Two years ago, at the beginning of the 2006 season, the Cardinals moved from their longtime home, KMOX, to KTRS. Last year, they jumped from channel 11 locally to KSDK, channel 5. At this point, I think we've seen enough of what each move offers, coverage wise, that everyone probably has an opinion by now. Of course, I know a lot of you follow the Cardinals through primarily online means, so this doesn't really apply to you. Sorry about that. But for the rest of you, who live within the broadcast range of the Cards' radio network, and those who view the game on channel 5 locally, what do you think of the coverage of the team the last couple of years? Is it better? Worse? Neither? Has the coverage taken a hit since the team owns its own media outlet? Which personalities do you like? Which ones do you wish would just go away?

I believe I've made my own feelings on most of the media members fairly clear in the past, (ie, I despise most of the coverage, particularly on the radio side) so I'm not going to go off on a rant here. I'm just interested in what all of you think, now that we've had some time with the new outlets.

Happy Monday, everybody.

One other thing. If this is your first look at the new format, jump over and take a look at the welcome guide. It's got all the instructions you need to get yourself properly set up.

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Too long, didn't read

just kidding. You might want to reformat that to include some returns.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Eerie...

I was just going to say, you really need to use paragraphs, because in the new format, everything is bunched together in the middle of the screen (making it harder to read). But then they magically appeared.

by DiscoJer on Mar 17, 2008 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

First of all...

this was my first time seeing Perez and Motte pitch. They look like they can be a dominant 1-2 punch in the bullpen for years to come. I really hope they both get a chance to spend significant time on the ML roster this year. Thoroughly impressed.

Secondly, channel 5 has the most horrible baseball broadcasts I've ever seen. Flat out pathetic. I just don't think I can take Jay Randolph calling players by the wrong name anymore. Ricky Horton is ok I guess. The pre-game includes a lot of really good interviews by Cusamano. I'm a big fan of his. The in-studio pre-game is perhaps a little bit less atrocious than it was last year with Diane Lane. If your gonna use a news anchor, why the hell wouldn't you get Mike Bush to do it?! The man was the sports director for like 15 years! There are so many sports personalities in Saint Louis who could do a much better job, its hard to believe this is what they give us. Where's John Maracek? Mike Claiborne? Bob Ramsey? Malcom Briggs? you mean to tell us that Rene Knott and Randy Jackson are the best possible options to host a Cardinals pre-game show?! Really?! I can't wait until this contract is over. I'd really like to see the games back on 11 or maybe channel 2. Channel 2 would at least give a decent pre-game with Martin Kilcoyne...we just might not see too many Albert interviews.

The radio broadcast I can live with since I don't have to be subjected to it too often. I like Rooney better than Hagin. And though he screws up a lot, I've always enjoyed Mike Shannon.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Mar 17, 2008 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a tradition....

Horrible TV broadcasts and Channel 5. Jay Randolph was terrible back then, too. I remember when I was growing up, a friend of my father's would watch the games and get drunk, then call up Channel 5 to raise hell about Randolph with a drunken tirade.

by DiscoJer on Mar 17, 2008 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Indeed, Indeed"...I think Jay Randolph annoys anyone with

Half a brain. There is NOTHING nostalgic about his return. Your father's drunk friend was only one of many calling to complain about him. I can remember, as a kid, my father calling to complain about him too. TV sound was banned during the games and we'd put on Shannon and Buck....O...the good ole' days.

mattnj

by mattnj on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ricky Horton!

He is one of my favorite TV personalities!

"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"

by Calhoun on Mar 17, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am...

strongly opposed to Rick Horton. All you need to know about his baseball knowledge is that he, a pitcher, was moved to right field to allow Oquendo to pitch. That's all anyone needs to know about Rick Horton and Baseball.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a

ridiculous statement. How does baseball knowledge and being pulled from a game correlate? How many pitchers pitched in that game? So just because he was the last one before Oquendo makes him a goat?

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Mar 17, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Throw my name in

I hate listening to Jay Randolph. I actually muted my TV yesterday. Just awful. I don't know if it was Randolph saying "Troy Glowes" or "Mark Tehera". Maybe it was the time Kennedy flipped it to Izturis for the final out of the inning and he said "And Kennedy flips it to Pujols for the final out." I was astounded. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Pujols has never played short stop in his major league career, is not number 3, and is not 5'9", 190 LBS.

Thank god Mike Shannon came in for a few innings and grabbed the mic from him.

Channel 5's score row on the top of the screen is horrid too. Was anyone else's cut off? I couldn't even read it, but I could see the Newschannel 5 logo! I also couldn't hear the interview with Lamping (with a huge stain on his shirt, wtf?) but I could here the fake loud guitar intro in and out of each commercial break.

If Channel 5 can't broadcast the game properly they should let CW11 take the rights to the weekend games again.

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Mar 17, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too an no randolph fan

the man is a horrible butcher with names, and he doesn't say anything interesting. he'll tell you all the most generic information, like what round the player was taken or from what college....over and over and over. he doesn't seem to be very familiar with the team.

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle."

by erik on Mar 17, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Tehera"

That really drove me up a wall. I'd give damn near anything to be in his position, making money to watch and call a ballgame. The least he could do is show the respect for the game and its players to learn their names properly.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful

You can't get too picky with announcers and names. I distinctly remember watching a Cards-Dodgers game in 2005 and getting annoyed with Vin Scully (I know!) repeatedly saying "Grass-alonic" when mentioning our second basemen.

Don't get me wrong, I love Scully. I'm just saying, older baseball announcers aren't necessarily known for their name pronunciation abilities. See Shannon: "Brad Ahs-Mas".

That said, Jay Randolph's terrible.

QED

by arch support on Mar 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scully used to

pronounce Eli Marrero's name "El-lee", which just rankled me to no end, for some reason. Randolph was with the Marlins before he returned to St. Louis, and was horrid then, as well. I get tired of Horton's perpetual Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm personality, but if given the choice, I'd take him over Hrabosky any day of the week.
And I know I'll be attacked here, but I don't care; I'm not a fan of Shannon, and I never have been. Most of the time, you don't even know what inning it is, what the count is, and sometimes who the batter is.

"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it."

by cardsrul on Mar 17, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon

I find the moon man's eccentricities endearing, but I will admit that, at times, it is impossible to know what the hell is happening in the game.

Typical Shannon call with the Cards on defense:

"Swing! and a shot to the left side (pause). Hehhehhehhehhehhehheh....I tell you what, this Cardinal team...hehhehhehhehheh."

Meanwhile, you have no idea what the heck is going on. Turns out Rolen made a diving play and through out the runner....but you'll never know it from Shannon.

by arch support on Mar 17, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen to Scully

say Juan Inncarnasione. Don't remember exactly what he says but it is different from anybody else.

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I distinctly remember Vin's "Grass-alonic." My wife and I would mimic the mispronunciation every time Grud came to the plate that year. Vin knows so much about baseball that it comes across as charming.

by bobeans on Mar 17, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misnomers

I think the stat sheets they give the commentators also has a phonetic chart on it. I agree, if you're lucky enough to get the job - then do it.

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Mar 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

another complaint with Randolph

He sounds like the guy from the Liberty Medical commercial. "I check my blood sugar and I check it OFFEN."

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Mar 17, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

KMOX

I miss the Birds on 1120. After moving from the Metro area in '93, I was still able to listen to games at night on KMOX. There is a hill between Denver and Boulder, CO., where I was able to sit and hear the games perfectly. I could drive from Denver to my folks house in S.Dakota and listen to an entire game.

The Internet has obviously changed things, and I think we are going to get XM Radio for baseball and the MLB package for the TV coverage, so I guess the impact won't be as great.

by DenverCardsFan on Mar 17, 2008 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I miss KMOX...

also. They had much better people on the call-in shows. I like Shannon and Rooney on play-by-play and pre-post game shows, but the others on KRTS, particularly Hadley, I could do without. I'll watch channel 5 only when there's no alternative. I usually go outside and listen to the radio on Sundays.

[Homer shows Bart "Wonderbat".]
Bart: Wow. How many home runs you gonna hit with that thing?
Homer: Let's see... We play thirty games. Ten at-bats a game. Mm...three thousand.

by boog on Mar 17, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hadley...

I can't even listen to that guy. Perhaps the absolute worst sports personality saint louis has to offer.

"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Mar 17, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hadley makes my head explode!

I'm not real fond of Mr. Rooney either. He sounds like he's yelling at me sometimes. You always know which player is in Mr. LaRussa's doghouse by the comments that start coming from all of them. Sometimes I find it easier to watch the games on WGN (Cubs/White Sox) or ESPN because I have no emotionial investment in those teams.

I have complained in the past because the Cardinals are such a stoic bunch, and my desire to see a player or two with the attitude of "pinch me, I can't believe I get to play baseball for a living" Well, Lastings Milledge hit his first home run in a game the other day, and on his way back to the dugout, all smiles, he high fived some of the fans. I personally love to see a player let the joy out like that-I'm sure that's the reason the Mets had to trade him, or felt they had to. I predict they are going to miss him big time-heck, they already are with Alou going down-and that he is going to extremely popular with the Nationals fans.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

High-Fiving

...Fans is a bit too far. There is a fine line between having fun and showing up the other team. Smiling and being excited is one thing, but I think that running around high-fiving fans is crossing that line.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 17, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe. But I do think in the spring, when the fans are the serious ones

Who spend a lot of money to follow the team they love, it's a fun thing to do. I don't expect he'll be doing it during the regular season. Honestly, if I were a Nats fan and witnessed that in ST, I would be ecstatic to see that joy. That's just me, I guess.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

and I never actually understood why it was that bad when he did it in NYC last year, either. No different than a curtain call, imho.

play skip at second base

by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

We want the players to act like human beings and interact with the fans, and then when someone does, he gets blasted. I never saw it as a showing up of anyone, just that he was sharing the moment with the fans.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Mar 17, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you get the MLB

package for TV, You won't need XM for radio as it includes it..unless you won't Xm for other purposes

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

mlb extra innings

you'll want to check with your provider, but Charter Communications in the Metro East area right now has a special where you can get it for $159 for the season if you order before the end of March.

i would like to get it, but I already have FSN mid west, so the wife wouldn't be too happy with 60 more games a week

by mwinf12 on Mar 17, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Voice of Saint Louis

Just not right w/o Cardinal games.

by random on Mar 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jay Randolph is the best that KSDK

can possibly offer, I am embarrassed for them. This was an unimaginative good ole boy network type hire. At least they haven't hired his son as yet. As far as KTRS goes, could they possibly squeeze one more commercial in the broadcast?

Nuthin'....I got nuthin'over here.

by Handsome Jimmy on Mar 17, 2008 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, the media...

I enjoy Shannon and Rooney on the radio... but I actually think that Rick Horton and Rooney sound great together when Shannon leaves the booth to do some commentary with Jay Randolph.

Jay Randolph... now that's another story. I understand that Randolph offers a bit of nostalgia to some of the older generations, but he's almost unbearable for me to watch.

Horton's a little goofy for my taste but I can deal with him. Does a pretty decent job in my opinion.

My favorite personality that covers the Cards is Dan on FSN.

by AndyB83 on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I grew up listening to Jay Randolph in the 70's

and I can tell you there is nothing nostalgic about hearing him call a game...he was awful back then, and to tell you the truth I was astonished that Randolph is who channel 5 picked when the games went back there.

by tbell61 on Mar 17, 2008 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon and Rooney

are OK on radio, but I am having some trouble with Rooney,s home run call. "Its a gonner" I don't know, it just sounds childish or amateurish or something... If just one time. I could hear Harry Carey say, "It might be..It could be...It is!..a homeee run. Or.. here's the stretch...the pitch...THERE SHE GOES!

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing better then Shannons home run calls!

Get up baby! get up get up! home run!

"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"

by Calhoun on Mar 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shannon

+1. Gotta love Shannon. Can't stand to hear Randolph's voice though.

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Mar 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

McLaughlin

Can't say I share your love of Dan McLaughlin.

He seems knowledgable enough, but something about his voice irritates me. When he's announcing an exciting point in the game, his voice naturally gets more intense. But it's an angry sort of intense, like he's yelling at kids who stepped on his lawn or something. It bothers me.

Also, I know everyone can't be Jack Buck, but when something dramatic happens, Dan's calls disappoint me. I'm reminded of a come from behind win, maybe in 2005, when Jim Edmonds won the game with a walk off double. The crowd goes crazy. Dan's call: "The Cards (pause) win it! Edmonds (pause) does it!"

Pretty weak. I like McLaughlin enough, but I don't think I'll ever not wish for more from his calls.

by arch support on Mar 17, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan

of Dan McLaughlin, actually. I think he's still developing his style, though. I like when he lets loose, which is becoming more and more often as the years go by.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that game

Giants were up 4-0 going into the bottom of the 9th and the Cards scored 5 runs to win it. I believe it was Matheny's first game back in St. Louis. Great moment. I don't recall the pauses, but it was still a pretty mediocre call...

"A hot dog at the ball game beats roast beef at the Ritz."- Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Mar 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Cable or Satellite

So I have to rely on radio (usually have gameday on the computer also). I'm so used to Mike Shannon that this mistakes, eccentricities, etc. don't even phase me anymore.

My favorite Mike Shannon call was from the 80's when Jack the Ripper was with the team. The Cards were down, the bases were loaded and Clark was coming to the plate. Mike mentions something about how many career grand slams Jack has had in his career so far (I can't remember the #, it was 20 years ago). Of course Jack gets good wood on the next pitch and Mike gets wound up. "THERE'S A LONG ONE TO LEFT"!!! I about drive my '64 Rambler into the ditch I'm so excited. Except that Jack got a little under it and it was caught on the grass in front of the warning track. My favorite Mike Shannon call. ***sigh***

"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar

by Big Mike on Mar 17, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't get me started

First - let me say that I like Rooney and Shannon. Rooney calls a good game, and Shannon is like your drunk uncle.

BUT - the rest of KTRS is really not good. Claiborne is the best of a bad lot.

Hadley is a homer who does nothing to serve the StL sports community with weak interviews and average insight. His Sunday morning broadcasts last year were comical; no one would call in so he would argue with himself and then get so worked up you could hear the slobber slopping around in his mouth.

I can't watch the games on KSDK. It's like I'm watching my old college TV channel.

"Dude, we're running out of stadium" - said on the way to our seats in Section 428.

by bukowski on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Hadley is bad, Clairborne is good

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Frank Cusumano

Who is this little pip squeak and why am I subjected to his idiocy?

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I know I am stupid for asking,

but why are all my posts white and everyone else's yellow. Make me feel like I'm wearing a black tuxedo with brown shoes.

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Because...

All new posts are in yellow, if you refresh the page, everything will be white... until a new post comes up.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only

thing that bothers me is when Rooney says "SWING!" It always sounds like it is leaving the park only to have it caught by the SS or something. Always bugged me. Mike Shannon is awesome because you don't know what will come out of his mouth. Keeps you engaged. As far as the TV side is concerned, they are all too nice. Though last season, they were more critical so maybe it has improved.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Mar 17, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

broadcasts

i, like most others, enjoy shannon and rooney

i can deal with dan, al, and horton

but when it comes to randolph, he is hard to listen to

i will miss joe buck, just as we miss his dad

i still feel, though, that when you hear some of these other teams announcers, you really see how good we have it

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Mar 17, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with bigcardsfan5 in that the tv announcers outside of st. louis are usually pretty miserable. I can't stop my ears from bleeding when I have to listen to Jim Deshaies and the Houston tv crew where I live now. That's better than listening to Bob Carpenter when I was in DC though. That being said, if you would rather watch Joe Morgan on Espn than the local group you have a problem. I wish Jack was back or that I could listen to Shannon or Hrabosky more often.

by Mcgeesabeast on Mar 17, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on Joe Morgan

I have an ongoing argument with a friend who absolutely loves him. I can't stand him -- there's only so many times I can take hearing "when I used to play . . . " before I begin grinding my teeth.

by Ray Lankford on Mar 17, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What on earth can anyone (aside from his immediate family) find

to love about Morgan? That astounds me. It's incomprehensible in the same way that quantum mechanics or the massiveness of the universe is incomprehensible to me. Maybe he likes the fact that Joe never, ever, changes his mind or admits he was ever wrong about anything?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 17, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember one time...

I almost died hearing Joe Morgan talk about closers and how any pitcher could be a closer..............I was like WHAT??????

"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"

by Calhoun on Mar 17, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

www.firejoemorgan.com

I'm assuming most of you have been here, but for those of you who haven't, it has some amusing stuff.

by bgh on Mar 17, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typical Morgan Speel

Joe: This teams SS is the best in Baseball
John: but Joe he has the worst AVG of all MLB SS
Joe: Well I'm just saying... he is really good with the glove
John,: But Joe he has the most errors of all SS
Joe: Well I'm just saying... He has been helping his team win since the break
John: But Joe the team hasn't won since the break
Joe Well I'm just saying... if you don't look at the stats you can see he is real good
John, but he just fell on his head
Joe, well I'm just sayin............

by FMF1 on Mar 17, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

+1 for sure

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Mar 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Radio Broadcast

Im kinda a newer Cardinal fan. I started by listening to Ronney and Shannon do the radio broadcasts back in 2006. It was just to kill time at work. (it was durring thier first 7 game losing streak...) But I got hooked. Last year I more than likely listened to 120 games on the 550.

Anyway. Besides the game itself I can not stand to listen to anything else on the radio. I'll check maybe 20 games or so on the TV. I like the FSN broadcasts. The channel 5 ones annoy me. And the ESPN broadcasts just angery me.

by Evilfrog on Mar 17, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

off topic

but has there been any mention of the new t-shirt design lately? I'm a somewhat infrequent visitor, but I remember lboros saying something a few weeks back. I only ask because I have some free time at work this week and i might try and mess around with Adobe Illustrator to see if I can come up with anything.

by mattyp on Mar 17, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The Old Days

I don't live in the radio zone anymore (which was just about anywhere in mainland North America if you happened to be in the right spot) but I rue the loss of that massive coverage as it brings back a lot of good memories, from Dan Kelly and the Blues to everything Cardinals and especially that trivia show on Sunday nights with Dave Strauss? and some other dude who could stomp on all trivia any weird creature from across the land had to offer up. I can imagine that absence of KMOX at least.

Since quite a few folk have referenced M. Shannon, it kicked up an old memory: I was with a buddy driving on our way to Central America, except his passport had been stolen and we had to obtain an emergency version in the Big Easy.

Summer of 95, hauling through the Mississippi pine forests at night, I picked up Voice of the Cardinals in the middle of a sleeper, but just catching those voices Buck and Shannon threw the hairs up on my arms. It was one of those hot, slow games, where things get radio dead and Shannon's mind wandered into the 'anything to talk about bin.'

He pulled out a story, that to the best of my memory went something like this:

"You know Jack, we got a letter from Elmer XXXX in XXX Illinois. Elmer's a big fan, has been his whole life. Well Elmer has these lucky marbles - had him his whole life. He really wants the Cards to do it this year, so you know what he did Jack, he sent us his lucky marbles to win this season."

Pause, sound of insects hitting ballpark lights and the echoed holler of a beer-man.

"That's love. And you know what love is - love is self -sacrifice."

So that's the kinda thing you don't get in Mississippi anymore in the middle of the night when you're driving through the dark and you're brain has gone blank and you'd give just about anything to get some action - even on a radio. Even though I don't live there anymore, I'm pretty sure about that.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Mar 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Lineup

Cardinals

1. Colby Rasmus, CF
2. Cesar Izturis, SS
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Troy Glaus, 3B
5. Rick Ankiel, RF
6. Ryan Ludwick, LF
7. Jason LaRue, C
8. Anthony Reyes, RHP
9. Brendan Ryan, 2B

Go get 'em, Iron Bill. Here's to Cesar getting a couple more errors and zero hits!

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I might actually start to wish an injury on a player for the first time if this Izturus nonsense doesn't come to an abrupt end!!! He is simply not a major leaguer...let alone starter! Fortunately we aren't at risk of losing anyone if he makes the team, and we can still cut him at anytime.

He's gone by June...write it down!

Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!

by cardzfanbub on Mar 17, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Injury

In a satirical way, my original post had a line about Izturis: "And Cesar, today seems as good as any for you to get that hamstring pull you've been working on all spring. You've earned it."

But some people aren't big fans of snark and I thought better of it.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I like snarky comments.

I don't wish injuries on any player though. Not even players I don't like. Not even the evil Mets or the Cubs. It's just not very nice.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

cesar

maybe we should just hope to find his brutus

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Mar 17, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking for Cesar to get his

shit together. He's going to start, no matter what, so we may as well pray he figures it out. I gotta say this, b/c it may be the last time for a while, I sure like the look of a lineup w/ Rasmus' name penciled in next to the number 1. :)

by chuckb on Mar 17, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take a shitty month of April from Izturis

if it means he's NOT back on top in June.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And why oh why does he need to back second?

Ryan should be second and Itzsuckis should be batting seventh or ninth

by OCCardsFan on Mar 17, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

0 for 2, w/ a K and an error. Another stellar game for Cesar! Let's look on the bright side -- he can't get any worse.

by chuckb on Mar 17, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, yeah... he could get worse

he could make the team out of ST and pull that crap on regularly when it counts! in my opinion, that would make him worse than he is now.

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Mar 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

He could pull a Cintron and run into someone that actually contributes to the team, knocking them out.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Mar 17, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Carpenter

I miss him on the TV. He called a good game and would have been better had they never not stuck him with such horrible color guys (Horton, Ozzie, Al are all awful).

To be honest, most color guys, with the exception of Orel Hershiser and Bob Brenley are beyond bad, adding nothing to the game.

I generally long for the days when you can mute just announcers and still watch the game on TV.

by JMedwick on Mar 17, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

What in the world happened to Jim Palmer?

He was a decent enough color guy but he isn't involved in any of the national baseball broadcasts anymore.

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by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before my time

So I can't say if he was any good.

wiki indicates that he still does broadcasts for the Orioles.

by JMedwick on Mar 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whenever.......

Joe Morgan is doing a Cardinal game, I mute the TV and bring out the radio and listen to Shannon its much more entertaining then having to spend 3 hours of listening to a retard talk baseball.......

"when we say strength we mean kettlebell,when we say kettlebell we mean strength"

by Calhoun on Mar 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Carpenter...

was great on the weekend broadcasts. They should have kept him, ditched Horton, and never ever have hired Hagin.

I like it when I get some Nats broadcasts so I can listen to Bob Carpenter.

I agree with Orel being a good color guy. I love having him on the Little League World Series, too. He's extremely knowledgeable about the game. Though, in truth, to be tolerable on ESPN the only thing that I ask is that you're not Steve Phillips.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of television broadcast groups

there is none better (outside of Vin all on his own) than the SNY 3-man booth of Gary Cohen, Ron Darling, and Mex. They aren't insulting. They are very balanced in their approach to home and away teams, they understand baseball and they have a decent enough respect for sabermetrics to not insult you like Joe Morgan loves to do.

I find myself watching random Mets games just to listen to them talk.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

they aren't the worst team out there

but i can't stand those guys... they seem to do whatever they can to avoid talking about the game, more than any other team I've ever seen. You'll get an in-game discussion with Reyes' hairdresser, mixed with a camera pan across the fans down the 3rd base line, then down into the dugout to see how excited reyes is, then over to the sideline reporter for the reporters take on the RBI single you missed because you were being forced to listen to the hairdresser explain how he bundles the excitement to sell on ebay, then finally a close-up as some dude pats the guy who scored on the ass. Then the camera will turn to Mex as he tells an "amusing" story while the next guy hits. Maybe 1/8th of a second of baseball interspersed between each annoying vignette.

And their mic isn't properly filtered, so that stupid "everybody clap your hands" comes through my speakers so loud it is physically painful...

play skip at second base

by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree w/ Sleepy

They aren't the worst, but... too many shots of the broadcast booth because we neeed to see these guys as they talk. Simply listening as we watch the game is not enough apparently. Also too many shots of the dugout beause we need to see how amazing the Mets are as they lean on the railing and chew.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

dude, gary is the only one out of the three that doesn't beat you over the head with their "the mets are the greatest team EVAR!!!!!" darling makes my head hurt & mex has just become a joke. he's kind of funny sometimes, but mostly his ego keeps getting in the way of his calling & he just can't shut up most of the time.

the best play-by-play team, of ALL the teams, radio & TV are the guys out by the Bay, Duane Kuiper & Mike Krukow. thoase guys are awesome & call a great game. they are at their best when the Giants are getting the a$$ kicked. it's just great TV. i always stayed up late just to listen to them & Vin call the west coast games. i dont know if i can do that now, but i hope to be able to catch some games this season.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson

by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Grab some pine, meat"

Any broadcaster that says that (Krukow) deserves a nice, firm kick in the teeth with a cement boot.

Kuiper and Krukow spend too much time working on their inflection in their voice to be bothered to cover what is actually happening in the game.

I stand by my statement, SNY has the best broadcast team in baseball.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with

your assessment of Kuiper and Krukow, but you haven't changd my mind about SNY.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh come on Hardcore

SNY? dude,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

to each their own i guess bro. i get that you don't like how they call the game, but the Giants have sucked for the past couple years, so they don't really have a lot of good games to call. thats why i said i think they are at their best when there's not a good game to call. they do their best to have fun & make the game fun for the viewer.

greg pappa who does some TV for FNS Bay Area but mostly calls for the radio on KNBR is really good too. he's easy to listen to, knowledgeable & can call a great game.

but no one is a good as Vin. even in his old age where he's messing up names & plays, he's still the king. Charlie Steiner who calls the away games east of the rockies for the Dodgers is also a great play-by-play man. too bad he has to share the booth with that blow hard, moron, down right idiot steve lyons. goodness he's awful. Prime Ticket really needs to dump him.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson

by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

radio not the same anymore

the personality side of the radio is great, but i live a little out of range for KTRS and now I have to listen on a sister station and I never remember all the technical problems on KMOX that there were last year and allready this spring. I don't know if it's KTRS or if its the new sister station that I am forced to listen to.

by gldglove1 on Mar 17, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Just about the only good thing about either broadcasting move

KSDK does a better job with their HD broadcasts, in terms of both production values and picture quality, than Channel 11 did. The broadcast quality, although not as good as it could be, is far better than what Channel 11 ever put out. Jay Randolph and Ricky Horton probably rank as the worst Cardinals broadcasting teams of recent years for me, although I'd still take them over many of the broadcast teams that some of the national networks put out there and some of the non-Cardinal broadcast teams I've heard over the years.

by bailorg on Mar 17, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, Mike Hampton seems to dominate

2 players that shouldn't be on the roster April 1st.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

ARey

Seems like ARey finally got the message that his rotation spot isnt locked up yet.

by brindled on Mar 17, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything is better than Hagin and Shannon

Toward the end when those two really hated each other it was unbearable. The only thing that got them together was games 4 and 5 of the NLCS in 2005. Edmonds' ejection and Albert's Homer.

I hate Rooney's impersonations, but they at least make Shannon laugh - and that's all I need to hear to make me enjoy the radio.

you can't sneak the sun past the rooster

by enoscountry on Mar 17, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Cackle

Shannon has a great chuckle/cackle...not really sure how to classify it...gets better as the game goes on/beer goes down.

by brindled on Mar 17, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wayne Hagin...

will be a black eye on Cardinals radio forever.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's Game

Is it on TV anywhere? Is anyone watching it?

I'm stuck at work with the mlb.com updating box score.

How does Reyes look?

by bgh on Mar 17, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

its on mlb audio

here
if you wanna pay for it

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Runner on 3rd, 1 out

Looks like Reyes got out of it ok. Just by reading on GameDay, it looks like the 3rd out was pretty loud, but no damage done.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 17, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

after another error by izturis

this pattern is unsettling

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 17, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

E-6

and a K already for Izturis - so far so good.

you can't sneak the sun past the rooster

by enoscountry on Mar 17, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He is just....

terrible

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 17, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

for what it's worth

He apparently made a great leaping grab of a liner earlier in the inning.

by DCGreg on Mar 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh really?

I'm stuck on gameday, which is stuck on Rasmus' groundout to end the 3rd...Going by what I see on here.

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 17, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

it might have the previous inning. (I'm half listening to the audio.)

by DCGreg on Mar 17, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he didn't pull his hamstring

so, mission NOT accomplished. [/snark]

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

he did just enough that TLR will have something to point to the next time he defends Izturis' presence on the field

by DCGreg on Mar 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

I'll bet his hands were so soft and quiet when he made that error.

(reference to LaRussa's praise of Izturis' fielding)

by Ray Lankford on Mar 17, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's unexpected

Reyes pitches out of a 2 on, 1 out situation after falling behind 3-0 with two swinging strikeouts in a row. niiice.

by TICY on Mar 17, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

both K's

on 3-2 change-ups.

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 17, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

Todd Wellemeyer and Brad Thompson will still get his spot in the rotation.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Anthony doesn't have an out pitch.

Mr. LaRussa and Mr. Duncan said so in the paper the other day.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

It was a true statement last year. Reyes did not have an out pitch! It absolutely killed him when he was in a jam and had no way to get a guy out. He was trying to throw 91 MPH fastballs by guys.

Wellemeyer does have more of an "out" pitch than Reyes at the MLB level. Welle has been incosistent during his career due to controll but he definitely has an out pitch.

I don't get people backing Reyes? I would say Brad Thompson has gotten F***ed more than any pitcher on the Cardinals. He is not a great pitcher but he pitched WAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Reyes, Wells, and Maroth last year but got dicked around all year.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 17, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

thompson

I never said he was good, I just said he got dicked around ten time more than Reyes last year.

And for what he really has he pitched a lot better than Reyes. Now I think Reyes has more upside, but he needs to start taking care of business this year.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 17, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes's out pitch is his changeup. When he is trowing from his normal delivery, its very good. Its what he used today to strike people out with RISP.

by DriverZn on Mar 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone interested in a VEB member

Yahoo March Madness pick 'em if I set it up.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, count me in ...

I can't believe ICKturis has already made another error ... Reyes pitched around it well though, it seems ... he having a great day! ... knock on wood ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't an error.

He's a former gold glover, he was just indifferent about making the play. Ask Tony.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the Group

http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/group/114300
Group ID: 114300
Password: iztruissux

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

nice to see izturis has permeated all aspects of our lives whether we like it or not.

by brindled on Mar 17, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also misspelled it out of complete

disrespect. Heh.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Password has been fixed

Password: izturissux

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ties into the "Tehera"

Comments from above. and you have brought the conversation full circle...nice fundamentals.

by brindled on Mar 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only complaint

with KTRS is living in perpetual danger that I'll turn the radio on too early and hear the inane drivel of Frank O. Pinion coming out of my radio. I think Shannon and Rooney call as entertaining a game as anyone but Vin Scully, and I often choose to listen to games rather than watching them (or turn the volume off of the TV to listen on radio). I don't listen to KTRS for anything but baseball games.
Because Channel 5 broadcasts so few games, it seems like more of an afterthought than a broadcast partner. I don't have any specific complaints about Ricky Horton, but he's always seemed boring and average to me for some reason. Jay Randolph just seems old and unknown to me, and it seems like players treat him the same way.

by P Bu on Mar 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

vin scully, yes

scully is as good as it gets.
also, jon miller calls a great game on giants radio . he's not all that great on tv- espn sunday, primarily because of joe morgan.
uecker calls s fantastic sausage race.

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 17, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jon Miller...

is by far the best that network television has to offer.

by mynameistyler on Mar 17, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

but fading fast!..

As someone who has to listen to Mr. Scully on a regular basis here in L.A.....I have to tell you he is NOT the same errorless announcer he was just a few years ago....he misses plays ...he constantly mis-identifies players, even on the Dodgers!....no...Vinne was great but in my humble opinion?...it's time for him to hang 'em up....and has been that time for a few years.... When he was younger?.. the guy was one of the best there ever was... but not now.

by Timbo02 on Mar 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brendan Ryan just got cut

tried to get the runner out at 3rd base on an infield hit, missed by Jiminez (error on Ryan) and a run scored.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not watching ...

Do you think Jiminez should have caught it?

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves announcers said no way or the other

on whether it should have been caught, but that doesn't matter. Brendan Ryan has to turn water into wine or else pack his bags for Memphis.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ... I gotcha ...

For a lame moment, I thought you were watching on MLB ... just realized its not on today ... you're right ... a tough error on the kid ... under Tony's rules, every Ryan error is five times a ICKturis error because ... ICKturis has such great experience ... I'd rather see an aggressive error like that (trying to get someone out on a running play) than a bonehead fielding error ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go Rick !!!

2 RBI ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Should we take any solace in that we have 3

of the Top 15 Spring Training offensive players in Albert, Rick and Barton?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

call me a pessimist

but when I see the same in the regular season, I'll get excited. Until then......

by FunkeeC on Mar 17, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy, Villone is living a charmed life ...

I wonder how long he can walk this tightrope ... but he still has a very low ERA ... and, I hope he keeps it up ... I'm hoping he's this year's Percival ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan's Back

Anyone else losing confidence that Duncan will start the season on the DL? I presumed that this would occur, but given how much TLR is playing him, it's hard to believe that anyone actually thinks he's injured.

And if he doesn't have an injury, or if his injury is such that a little rest won't fix it, then I'm hard pressed to explain his struggles.

by Titus Pullo on Mar 17, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that was a bonehead running error ...

Ryan does remind you he's a rookie ... I am really getting into Barton's speed ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't wait until the regular season ...

and Gameday actually stays caught up with the game ... this half inning stuff is getting frustrating ...

Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 17, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

When has gameday ever stayed up

with a game. I've never seen it..but I haven't used it that much for the last couple years

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren't 100% on but close

During the season they aren't "live" but it doesn't take this long. It usually is pitch by pitch where one pitch is updated around the time the next one is being thrown. Right now though it updates after an inning or a half inning are completed not even for each batter.

by StLHugo on Mar 18, 2008 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

checking out the box score

Izturis now has 6 errors. he can't make the team, can he? please tell me he won't. I know they spent guaranteed money on him, but...

by madding on Mar 17, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

he won't make the team

Feel better? Good, because you and I both know it's B.S. This is exactly the reason Tony should've been allowed to go away. It is extremely frustrating to see his comments on Izturis this spring. Somehow, having more errors than hits is okay in his book.

A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Mar 17, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR

has always been a stubborn guy.............now that he has the HOF stamp and money in the bank, he can be even more stubborn and openly not care what people think..........stubborness is an interesting trait - when everything's working, you look like a genius.......when it's not - well, you get more errors than hits

by Hinkster on Mar 17, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Reyes' fault.

He's the one that made the batter hit the ball in Izturis' direction.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's always Reyes' fault

isn't it?

and of course if Izturis can't keep it together during the season, we can "look forward to" more of Mr. Miles, right?

by madding on Mar 17, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Actually, the "other" correct answer was that "soft hands veteran Izturis" was obviously distracted by that damn rookie Brendan Ryan, who was undoubtedly twitching uncontrollably or jumping around the 2B area too much. How can you possibly expect Cesar to field the ball with that kind of distraction to his left? I mean, seriously...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 17, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are we all so down on TLR

about izturis? Mo has his back as well. From just listening to what Mo says in his interviews he thinks that Izturis will be able to recapture his success from a couple years ago. However, he also said that izturis will have to play a lot better than he has lately to keep his job. I can't remember which interview it was but i distinctly remember reading that.

so let's all hope the izturis is a placeholder long enough for ryan to gain tony's trust. otherwise izturis will just be replaced by miles.

by FutureMan on Mar 17, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vin Scully

or "Vince Culley" as my wife once thought his name was.............I suppose I'm the only baseball fan in the world that is not a fan of the Dodger legend

I picture him sitting high atop Dodger Stadium, sipping white wine, nibbling on sushi with Thoreau open next to his immaculate scorecard that is being completed with a Mont Blanc....the guy just waxes poetically far too much for me.......you know, the way Timmy McCarver tries to and fails

Yeah, I want some smoothness in the delivery, but I also want a guy who can munch a Dodger Dog, throw down a brewski, misprounce a difficult name and spill mustard on his scorecard.

So, I'll take Jon Miller anyday now that Jack is gone.....

by Hinkster on Mar 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Hinkster I agree with you, except

Roger Angell is sitting there with him. Speaking of Roger Angell, if you have never read any of his baseball writing you have missed something. Something wonderful. He's mostly a Sox fan, though he lives in NY and likes the Mets and even the Yankees, but what he really loves is baseball and the people who play it. And that shows through in every one of his all too infrequent pieces. Look him up folks.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I agree on Angell........I also like the late David Halberstam's work.........................speaking of baseball books, Steve Stone's write on his experiences working next to Harry was absolutely grand...........................Scully, would love to go to dinner with him and pick his brain - just glad I don't have to listen to him very often

by Hinkster on Mar 17, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I'll check it out. Oh, and I love me some David Halberstam

he has such a unique way of seeing things. And of cours the man can write. What a loss.....I never thought he got the credit he deserved while he was still alive. He could write about anything, and you could never put the book down.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halberstam could spin a yarn

but he wasn't afraid to just make up facts as he went along so that they wouldn't get in the way of his narrative.

Bill James took him to task over his many blatent inaccuracies in his books.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halberstam

Bill James slammed him for the inaccuracies in Summer of '49 only, not "his books." Not sure anyone has criticized him on those grounds on any of his other books. He certainly had a longstanding reputation as a fine reporter.

by Perry on Mar 17, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were also "inconsistencies"

between october 64 and Bob Gibson's biography, as well. I don't know which one was wrong, and I doubt if any of it was intentional, but I read them one after another a couple of years back and was surprised by how different their accounts were of that cardinals team.

play skip at second base

by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Angell

Best baseball writer ever. I cherish all his New Yorker collections. I think he's 88 years old now, and his New Yorker pieces are coming less and less frequently, so we may have read the last of his baseball work. By the way, he likes the Bosox, but he made clear at the end of his piece on the '86 Series that he's a Mets fan. He said he could never be sure which team he loved more until they played that WS. He doesn't like the Yankees.

by Perry on Mar 17, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he now just does two a year.

One about spring training and one about the world series. He would be revered if more folks actually knew about him.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I think he has the audience he wants

He never really wrote for the masses. He wrote for people who read the New Yorker, which is a pretty sizable forum. Every five years or so they'd slap his collected work since the last book into a new book, and I'm sure they all sold pretty well. They kept being published, at any rate.

by Perry on Mar 17, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying Hinkster

and Scully is hard to take for a whole game. A long time ago when Red Barber was the #1 announcer and Scully the backup they were good together. Barber was the exact opposite and they complimented each other...Scully by himself, tiresome.

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izturis as bad as spivey?

Couldn't Cards DFA Izturis like they did Spivey? Chalk it up to "It seemed like a good idea at the time". (even though it really wasn't even close to a "good" idea).

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 17, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I see it as

basically the exact same deal but two years later. although Spivey never won a Gold Glove, but we all know how much weight those have these days.

by madding on Mar 17, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont know what the heck just happened

but i had posted a comment & now its gone. oh well, guess whoever is in charge didn't like it that i said for the most part i like the guys on FSN Midwest. i really like Mike & Rooney on the radio. i could listen to Shannon talk all day & the voices in my head all sound like Shannone. KSDK 5 coverage is horrible & pathetic. Ricky Horton is the worst ever & needs to go away. the chick that does the pre & post games shows has been replaced. and i forget what else.

oh well, it's gone forever i guess. its either a bug or user error. of course could be a loose nut behind the wheel.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson

by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's confusing

that after you hit preview, there is another "Preview" button below what you are posting where you would think the "Post" button would be. so if you end up hitting "Preview" twice and never hit Post, you could end up losing what you think you posted if you assume that it went through on the second "Preview". (hopefully that makes sense...)

by madding on Mar 17, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, i hit the post button

and it was there, then i went & read a diary, errr fan post and when i came back it was gone. so i have no idea what happened.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson

by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been some lost posts

HL took a little shot at me Saturday and it was lost..then he turned around and complained..Uh Huh, you thought I missed it didn't you Hardcore.

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What shot?

I'm confused.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, the gameday drag

thing. Ha. Good times.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

My little zipping the mouse comment

to drag the right page full. And you replied you would like to click on shumaker's name in the lineup and zip it out...no harm, good comment, all most made me smile. i took it you just " wanted to ruffle my feather" as you said from one of my earlier comments about the Barton, Shumaker bullets you have been firing.

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, dear, ridgesee, let it go. It's already Monday!

Go get you some green beer.........

Hardecore can be a little snippy, it's just the way he rolls. He's harmless.......

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too old to drink beer, Jills

at my age you drink water and chase it with Malox

by ridgesee on Mar 17, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just sad.

I'm too old for the green beer too, but I like a Killian Red every now and then. Well, then. I guess your up passed your bedtime too.......

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boog interview

here's a link to a radio interview Boog did this very morning right here

hope it works. nothing really all that new, but i think it worth a listen to because he talks about his play & what he's trying to do to make the team.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson

by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Favorite announcers

I can't stand Al Hrabosky and Jay Randolph. More often wrong than right and always mispronouncing names.

Shannon, Rooney, Dan Mc, and Horton are all listenable with Shannon being very entertaining IMHO.

On a national scale, the best on the radio is Joe Castiglione with the BoSox. I hate Boston but he is fantastic. He researches opposing teams and players and always drops that knowledge on his listeners. The best on TV is not Jon Miller who is more interested in rolling his Latin R's, and it is most certainly not Joe Morgan or Tim McCarver who are both awful, it is our own Joe Buck who learned from his dad how to call a game.

by indakind on Mar 17, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

put me down for Scully

I also used to like Al Michaels when he used to do the Monday Night/Thursday Night Baseball games on ABC.

I like Joe Buck when he's doing Cards games (which is a shame that he's not doing them anymore.)

I also think the Mariners' Dave Niehaus is good, though he's slipped a bit as he's gotten up there in age.

I have to admit that Dan 'n Al grew on me a bit after a full season of MLB Extra Innings last year. with some exceptions, I usually looked forward to the home FSN Midwest telecasts.

by madding on Mar 17, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Scully for me

I grew up in L.A. (but greatfully my dad was a huge Cardinals Fan, ergo... me too) and I listened to all the Cards/Dodgers games and felt Scully was the best I've heard. Never got to hear Jack Buck call a game (sadly), only heard his voice in highlights.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 17, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jack Buck's probably my favorite ever

But Scully's a close second. He's a lot better on radio than TV, by the way. Harry Caray was amazingly good in his prime -- it's a shame most people only remember his Cub years, when he was about 20% as good as his Cards/White Sox years. I also like Kuiper/Krukow.

by Perry on Mar 17, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Broadcasters

First of all, I freakin' loathe KTRS, or K-TRASH as I call it. Awful, awful radio. That said, I enjoy listening to Shannon and Rooney, although that's the only time you'll ever catch my radio tuned to 550. Before and after the game, I'll listen to KMOX or 590 if I'm stuck in the car...but I'll be damned if I listen to the crap on KTRS.

Like everyone else, I love Shannon's "drunk uncle" personality (although he apparently doesn't actually drink anymore)...you never know what the heck the guy is gonna say next, so it's constantly engaging. Rooney seems fine, although I, too, find his "it's a goner" call to be very forced. I much prefer Shannon's "Get up, baby! Get up!" homerun calls. A friend of mine once referred to Mike Shannon as the High Priest of the Church of Baseball. Truer words were ne'er spoken.

As for KSDK, ugh. Love the HD signal, but I simply cannot abide the horrific commentary job from Randolph. I'm sure he's a very nice man, but he should NOT be broadcasting baseball games. Just terrible. I really enjoy Rick Horton, however. I've always found his commentary to be even-handed and intelligent. I also like how he won't hesitate to call out a Cardinals player for a bad play when it's warranted, but he has no problem gushing about the good plays...which most of us fans always enjoy hearing about our own players. I also rather like his self-deprecating humor.

As for FSM, Dan does a fine job (no real complaints there), but Al Hrabosky is WAY too much of a homer for me to tolerate. Damned annoying. I often feel like some suit from the Cardinals front office must be standing behind him in the broadcast booth slipping him $20s every time he parrots another ridiculous "official" stance, even when everyone knows it's BS. His color commentary is also typically unimpressive and lacks the insight and intelligence of Horton's analysis, imho.

So, locally, it's a real mixed bag overall.

I could listen to Vin Scully and Jon Miller call a tee ball game and be enthralled. Class acts, both of them. I just wish ESPN would dump Joe Morgan and give Jon some intelligent color commentary rather than that inane, insulting drivel Morgan continually spouts.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 17, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Has anyone else noticed how particularly awful

the Cubs have been offensively this spring? You should take spring training stats with a grain of salt but maybe we picked the wrong two horses for this NL Central race and it'll only be Milwaukee and Cincy?

I mean, they've been really bad for a team full of guys being paid lots of money to hit.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Hardcore,

I've had that same thought for a while now.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

That's an awful lot of underperforming to predict for the entire season. I don't think the Little Bears will be too hard pressed for runs once the real games start.

Spring Training is a far cry from the real season. Remember how A. Reyes and Wells were world-beaters last spring? And how Albert had a paltry .837 OPS in March 2007 and could hardly hit a homerun to save his life? I wouldn't put too much stock in the Cubbies' offensive woes from a couple weeks worth of Spring Training games...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been telling everyone that will listen

that its going to be the Reds. I just see everything falling into place for them this year. I also think Aaron Harang will win his first Cy Young this year.....

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 17, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

KTRS

I have always thought of KTRS as the loudmouth, less intelligent step brother of KMOX. The fact that Cardinals sacrificed the history, class, and broadcast range of KMOX for a quick buck is a shame. In the long run this will be viewed as a poor investment by the owners. I believe that the Tigers did the same thing five or six years back and it too has gone sour.

by birdsonbat on Mar 17, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Since the Lohse diary has been bumped down

this is probably better served here.

Back on February 4, I noted that Kyle Lohse suffred from a ridiculously low WHIFF rating on his curveball, of which led to many of his problems at the mlb level:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2008/2/4/8561/23331#1458576

Which essentially went like this:
http://blog.stats.com/2007/07/whiff_profile_kyle_lohse.html

Lohse has an eye-opening WHIFF rate for one particular pitch, and it's for all the wrong reasons. Lohse's curveball is currently drawing a whiff rate of .031. That is to say, he's coaxed just one (1) swing-and-miss out of the 38 swings hitters have taken against this pitch...a big breaking ball. This is not a good pitch. The opposition is hitting .500 against it, and slugging .607. Fortunately, this is his least used pitch, but it might not be a terrible idea to ditch it completely.
[...]
Fortunately for Lohse, his changeup has been a very good option. He's posted a .311 WHIFF, while the oppostion has hit only .184 against it, and slugged .298.

Fastfoward to today's Goold post and lo and behold:
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/03/lohse-breezes-through-sim-game/

During his four "innings" — which turned into an out every three or four pitches — Lohse had a specific kink to iron out in his delivery. Get this: The Cardinals believe he was tipping his breaking pitches. (You may have heard something like that before.)
[.]
Lohse’s hand placement just before going into his windup would give away the pitch he was about to throw. Pitching coach Dave Duncan pointed it out to him, suggested a fix, and by the time Lohse was throwing from the stretch in his final inning the tip had been erased.
[.]
"I had heard rumors that teams were picking up some stuff," he said.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

VERY interesting...

If true, that's excellent news.

I seem to recall they said the same thing about one of our pitchers last season, too, didn't they? Was it Piñeiro? Hmm.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If true

then this could be the biggest steal of the season. I've read countless times about he had the stuff, but not the drive. (ala Kip Wells) This could mean he has the drive, and now the effectiveness. Even though I only play in an "old man" ball league, if I know somethings coming, I could probably at least hit it. (Albiet not very well...I'm more of a defensive specialist...okay I'm really just there to get out of the house and have some fun!)

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Mar 17, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Maroth

I seem to remember he was the one tipping his pitches. I thought there was another Cards pitcher who tipped his pitches when he became upset or nervous when runners were on base...... or am I thinking of Marquis?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Pineiro was tipping his pitches

Pujols and Duncan noticed it in his first game against the Nationals. He was pretty darn good from that point on.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

although

it would be pure conjecture to say he was good after that because the tipping issue was solved. (Assuming there was a tipping issue. I've heard that from the Cardinals so many times they may as well make it a slogan.)

by azruavatar on Mar 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

AZ is right

I think every new acquisition last year tipped their pitches at one point. Pineiro, Wells, Maroth, Welley, pretty much all of them.

by StLHugo on Mar 18, 2008 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Marquis didn't do it

But the article also lists Todd Wellemeyer has having hand a similar tip to his pitches while in Kansas City.

I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perez shouldn't be on this team for the same reason...

Rasmus shouldn't be. Its all about organizational control at this point for both of these players. We're not going to be a playoff team because Perez is pitching the 7th inning instead of Russ Springer. So would you rather have 1 year of Perez as a 6th-7th inning guy at a young age, or a year of him as a legit closer at the beginning of his prime. If we put him on this team now, then his FA clock starts now. If we wait a little while, that clock won't start until next season. Then there is the issue of arbitration as well. Its all about making a smart business decision. And putting him on the roster for opening day is a VERY VERY VERY BAD business decision.

by CrimsonBirdFan on Mar 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta say...

...I'm lovin' the new template and everything else. I did not know this blog could get any better...but it did! great job larry and SB nation; keep up the fantastic work!

waiting for the 2009 season to begin

by cards4life on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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