Utility Fills
It's gonna be a quick one this morning, folks. I'm more than a little strapped for time. (if I listen really hard, I can hear a faint sound of cheering)
Well, we had our first tie of the spring yesterday. It was actually a pretty decent game; the pitching in particular was encouraging. Todd Wellemeyer got the start and was solid, going four innings, giving up two runs, (one earned) five hits, and one walk. I'll take some more of that, please. Give me about two or three more innings at that performance level and all of a sudden we've got a pretty serviceable pitcher. Really, Welley's been fairly strong this spring, with an ERA under 3.00 so far. He's still been a little erratic with his control at times, but he hasn't completely lost it yet as he did at times last season, so I'm mildly encouraged by the early returns.
The rest of the staff was solid as well, especially Izzy. He threw one perfect inning, and took only six pitches to do so. I'll take some more of those too.
Colby Rasmus was on base three times out of five plate appearances, with two walks and an infield hit. He stole two bases as well; everyone was angry he didn't come through at the end. I love how everybody fixated on his strikeout in the ninth, conveniently ignoring what he did the rest of the day. He made a bad play in the outfield and struck out in a key spot. He also had a .600 OBP for the day, and, as Hardcore Legend pointed out in yesterday's thread, employed some sort of strange tactic that we Cardinal fans are not particularly familiar with to advance on the base paths. I think it's becoming pretty clear that Colby is going to start the year in Triple A, and I'm pretty okay with that. It's actually what I felt was probably the most prudent course all along. I'm somehow still a little bothered by the whole thing, though, because as much as I agree with the move, I don't think I agree with the reasons it's being made for. Oh well. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to complain.
The outfield is starting to come a little bit clear. Skip's in, Rasmus is out, Barton and Juan are still fighting it out, although I still think Juan has the inside track. The bullpen is an absolute mess; I don't have anywhere near enough time to attempt to make any sense of that miasma this morning. There is, however, one spot on the roster that I'm finding the competition to fill absolutely riveting.
With the departure of Scott Spiezio, the utility infielder spot opened up, particularly for a player who specialised more in the corner positions, rather than up the middle. Adam Kennedy and Cesar Izturis are going to be the starting middle infield, as least for awhile, whether you like it or not. Aaron Miles will back both of them up, again, like it or not. That last spot, though, that jack of all trades spot, is completely open, and we're seeing a very intriguing story line playing itself out there.
Joe Mather and Brendan Ryan have emerged as the frontrunners for that roster spot, and by frontrunners, I mean that I don't think any of the other candidates are really in the picture anymore. So which one of these guys would be best?
Ryan is, at this point, more of the know quantity. That's not saying a whole lot, as his major league experience amounts to just a few months worth of time and fairly limited exposure in that time, but that's still more than what Mather has. Ryan's skill set offers good speed, as he has shown the ability to make things happen on the base paths. He's not the most efficient of basestealers, but he does have the speed to get a little creative. He has above average range in the field, and he's versatile enough to play all three infield spots outside of first. Technically, I'm sure he could play first as well; I just don't know how well. He looks to be able to hit for a decent average, albeit not quite at the standard he established last year. He offers little in the way of power, and his average independent on base skills are not impressive, (although, come to think of it, he does get hit fairly often) and so he will probably be on the roster due to his skill with the glove; any offense you receive from him is purely a bonus.
Joe Mather, on the other hand, is nearly the exact opposite of Ryan. He's a physical specimen, offering tremendous bat speed and power. As a bat off the bench, he would seem to offer a similar profile to what Eduardo Perez gave the Cardinals a couple of years back. He came up as a third and first basemen, but due to organisational roadblocks at each position, was moved to the outfield. He doesn't have the actions or range to play the middle infield at all, so he's a little less versatile. He does offer a bit more in the outfield, having played regularly out there, whereas Ryan played all of about four or five innings in the outfield last season, if I remember correctly. Mather has good speed as well, although it plays better once he's underway, rather than being the fast twitch, first step quickness that Brendan Ryan offers. Mather has played only briefly at the AAA level, and didn't light the world on fire there. However, he does offer a profile closer to what the Cardinals lost in Scott Spiezio, in that he plays the corner IF positions and the outfield, and offers extra base pop off of the bench.
So which one will it be? Ryan, with his speed, defensive versatility, and energy? Or Mather, with his power and superior overall production with the bat? The choice is yours, El Vivi Birders. For my own part, I'm undecided, but I have to admit to being awfully intriged by Mather. I love his bat, I like the corner infield background, and I think that his offensive profile is similar to Juan Gonzalez's. If Mather's on the roster, I think Barton stands a better chance of staying in St. Louis, rather than receiving a plane ticket back to Cleveland. I really can't quite make up my mind on this one yet, though. Someone convince me one way or the other.
By the way, in case you haven't heard yet, Anthony Reyes is going to take Joel Pineiro's spot on the mound today. Good luck, Anthony. For his sake and ours, he needs to right the ship. The need isn't becoming any less pressing, with the Cards' starters currently dropping like flies yet again. We need you, Anthony. We really, really do.
Later, everybody.
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Rasmus
It looks like you are just looking for reasons. I say that after reading
Goold's article today:
"Manager Tony La Russa said Colby Rasmus' batting average is only a small -- and misleading -- part of the numbers the outfielder has produced. Just like his numbers are only part of the decision whether he'll make the team."
He goes on to to talk about service time and slugging/OB pct as well as his ability to steal bases.
true, but...
I saw that too
Plus, I just can't see the Cards letting Barton go for nothing-I mean they kept Hector Luna on the roster for a whole year and that guy drove Tony nuts.
thanks, Bob.
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
oops.
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
cards are looking at lohse
"Four days after Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak downplayed the club's search for additional starting pitching, the club reacted Tuesday to persistent questions about Joel Pineiro's right shoulder by inquiring about free agent Kyle Lohse.
Lohse, once considered one of the top pitchers in an unexceptional free agent class, failed to command a bid approaching the four-year, $48 million deal Carlos Silva signed with the Seattle Mariners.
Lohse, a client of Scott Boras, is now expected to sign a one-year deal worth less than $5 million after going 9-12 with a 4.63 ERA in 2007 with the Cincinnati Reds and Philadelphia Phillies. Lohse carries a career 63-74 record and a 4.83 ERA."
also --- mozeliak chat today
http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/cards-live/LD031008262
My submission...
maybe this is a good thing?
Then think about what happens if (a big if) people might actually start getting healthy. You get to have Wainwright, Looper, and Lohse and then your choice from Reyes, Wellemyer, Piniero, Clement, and Mulder... plus Thompson in the bullpen and Parisi in the minors. That means two of those back-end starters become tradeable (hint: Reyes?). We wouldn't necessarily get anything great for them, but maybe they would help a team down the stretch and we'd be able to strengthen our farm system.
A Plea to Cardinal Management ...
Larry has already analyzed in a previous post how similar Lohse's numbers are to Suppan's at the same career point. He is a proven innings eater with that upside. What this rotation needs is another Supe ... Lohse is the closest (or most potential way) of getting that. PLEASE sign him. Spend the money, if you want to be competitive ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 12, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
IF ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 12, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he does what he's always done
by Ray Lankford on Mar 12, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a huge difference
I am not against the signing. I do question whether it's money thrown away.
It has been noted that there aren't enough minor league starting jobs to go around. I just wonder why we don't "trickle up" for a couple months until our starters finish rehabbing? Does the organization really believe we might contend?
I've been
I was thinking about this last night and it stuck me how lucky we are. The team didn't do mutch of anything to help the rotation this off season and the need for starting pitching help has become so apparent even retreads like Ponson and David "what's wrong with wearing Babe Ruths jersey?" Wells are calling US.
Yet we can, thanks to the incompetent job Boris did this off season overvaluing his clients, in the middle of spring training sign the second best pitcher that was available this year. This kind of thing never happens, thank god it did this year. If he signs everyone on El Vivi Birdos needs to send Boris a thank you card.
by That's a Winner on Mar 12, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The bullpen
It doesn't seem a mess to me. Am I missing something? I thought it was pretty much set except for one spot.
I don't mean
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Mather v Ryan
ARey...bring the goods today!!! Show that top of the rotation potential you were once billed to possess.
I'll second that.
I hope he does
I agree...
I think you are right,
top of the rotation?
but his minor league totals signal that he should do well.
Ah, have you heard of Johan?
I am not comparing Reyes to any of those guys. I'm just saying it can and has been done. Some pitchers come up with a new pitch when they have to after learning what works and what doesn't at the big league level.
I'll take Ryan
Also, I have this fantasy of Miles, Izturis, and Kennedy not all making through the season with us. We'll see how it plays out.
by Beware the Molinas on Mar 12, 2008 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
Re: Cutting Miles, Izturis or Kennedy
Seriously, it should be Ryan beating out Izturis for the SS job or Miles for the backup role, and then we can keep both of the young guys around instead of another veteran reject.
You are absolutely correct ...
Izturis is pulling a Spivey ... he just isn't getting the job done. Someone needs to suck it up and admit make a bad decision ... it happens ... get over it.
Put the best players on the field for crying out loud!
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 12, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Only partially agree.
We are a huge long-shot for a playoff berth. I seriously doubt we will finish anywhere near .500.
Therefore, I don't think we necessarily put the best players on the field. I think we should put te players in the best interest of the long-term success of the franchise on the field. For example, Juan Gonzalez MIGHT be better than Brian Barton right now...but, I think Barton should be a no-brainer over Juan.
I'd come down on the side of
An ideal situation
by paCardsFan on Mar 12, 2008 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
Preference
+1
Agreed...
I say fully commit to "re-build"
by punchinjudy on Mar 12, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ryan vs. mather
OPS middle infield projections (ZIPS version)
Ryan .666
Hoffpauir .650
Miles .645
Kennedy .644
Izturis .614
Sigh.
there can be no reply
There is no good hit/no field option among those.
The best we can hope for, is good field/no hit, but I'm not sure who supplies the "good field."
We could start with...
solution
No Juan in the lineup.
My hopes Barton will make the team grow daily. Go get 'em kid!
Catcher
Player TEAM POS G GS INN TC PO A E DP PB SB CS RF FPCT
1. Y Molina STL C 9 9 54.0 38 34 3 1 1 1 6 2 6.17 .974
2. J LaRue STL C 8 5 41.0 29 23 6 0 1 0 1 6 6.37 1.000
I know it's way early but I really like the job Jason LaRue is doing filling in. Right now it looks like a huge upgrade over Wild Turkey and he's even out-playing Molina at the plate and behind it. Nice pick up Mo.
by paCardsFan on Mar 12, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
It's probably possible
i was really impressed by Larue
Ryan
Ryan is a better defensive SS than Izturis at this time (though many people that have seen them in Spring Training say their range is similar), so I'd rather have him than Izturis. Saying that, we've already got a .650 OPS backup middle infielder (that we are for sure keeping), why not take the better hitter? Is Ryan's defense worth more than what Mather could bring to the table as a better 3b/1b backup and better pinch hitter? (With the added bonus of making it easier not to take JuanGone over Barton because we'd have our power bat on the bench.)
Right now, Mather is winning hands down IMHO.
there was an article by Goold
Ryan's problems are that he loses focus and makes dumb mistakes, like not covering second on a pickoff attempt against the orioles or not being in the right position to cut a ball off (nats or marlins), and he doesn't have the surest glove in the world. Iz2 wasn't much better with the glove though, as he made more errors while I was watching (not all the balls Iz2 fumbled were called errors).
3-4 feet
P.S. I would trust Gould's comments, even if they were the only ones. I know LaRussa isn't popular around here, but he said the same thing.
that's my eyeball gauge
I've not seen it written anywhere else, which baffles me. But I digress.
Interesting...
One of these days, I'm going to have to talk the wife into vacationing in Florida (in March).
I have to say...
Could anyone see WJ doing this is he were still here?
I would think...
I think what happens in the outfield will ultimately determine what happens in the infield. Barton's a lead-off candidate, Juan and Ludwick are righthanded power bats, and Skip is somewhere in between. They keep Barton and Skip, then Mather wins the job, but if Juan somehow makes the roster instead of one of them, then Ryan has the better chance.
That was a reply to Mr. Card's post
I agree with...
Ryan and Mather
My vote's for Joe.
by Rhodes Scholar on Mar 12, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
In order:
Barton over Gonzalez at this point seems like such a no brainer that only a manager who can't trust anyone under thirty could even.....oh yeah that's right. Unless Barton fails miserably as the spring competition gets better he's just got to stay.
Lohse? I guess why not at this point? I've been against any interest in him from the start but geez the price seems to be ridiculously low now and our needs seem to be getting correspondingly ridiculous. With a one year deal we could feel okay about releasing him later if he wasn't doing the job.
The Gameday link is ...
for those who are interested. I figured it out on my fourth attempt ...
Thanks Liam ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 13, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
More on the Ramirez Miss
It was also noted that Houstoncardinal, Hardcore, and Bluesdrummer85 showed the good judgment of recommending that the Cards go after this Cuban free agent while he was available.
Just to pile it on, Keith Law now offers his judgment that Ramirez is "much like Soriano."
Soriano for a million a year.
Yeah, that probably would have helped.
The live chat?
It started
John Mozeliak: We understand the uncertianly in our middle infield, but we truly believe Izturis will make us stronger up the middle and we fully except Kennedy to have a better year.
I'm glad I used the bathroom before I read that.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it's up now
hardcores question has not made it on yet ;) So far it's all softball stuff.
Ha!
I'm really glad they got the 'Don't Skip the Skip' question in!
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda makes me wonder
His answer regarding Ryan was illuminating. Youth means "flexability", so instead we signed iz2. Glad we cleared that up.
As expected, he seems to be talking
I liked how he said he'd 'probably spend the rest of the day working on the pitching options'. If it's that serious, stop the chat and go do it.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya, flexability
A.Rey made it through the first inning unscathed! I hope that's a good omen! I'm wearing a flat hat today to help root him on.
Buk's question
Alright, whose question was this?
- And Aaron Miles? Really? Otherwise, I think everyone respects what you have done so far and everyone wishes you the best.
- With regard to Miles, he is well respected on this team and gives us great protection at SS/2B. He does have value!
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that too
Got to respect him for standing by his signings, no mater how crazy we think some are.
by That's a Winner on Mar 12, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
TennCardFan
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but he didn't answer
i would have liked to have seen
Or
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
It's one of three answers:
- "Tony makes all the decisions. I'm just his little errand boy."
- "I make all the decisions. Tony's nuts, but we humor him, anyway. He's good for a laugh."
- "We'll congregate to evaluate how to eradicate and magistrate all roster decisions in one big happy brouhaha."
So true
Go kid go.
With Carroll on third, I hope he shows he can pitch outa trouble here.
Striking 'em out
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Addition by Subtraction
Especially...
Honestly, I think we complain just to complain sometimes.
How was that Kennedy's fault?
Man Pujols sure is hurting....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 12, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
Ordinarily
Ludwick goes yard too...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 12, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
Mo's interview
You may be interested to know that, in the dark of night, we were recently able to inject Mo with truth serum and got a statement from him that will be released in a VEB diary very soon.
Heh
Bukowski: Mo,Do you personally read Viva El Birdos? What do you think about the blogosphere and it's effect (or lack of) on the game in general - and yes, we know you're setting a trend with the program you announced...would you ever post on it? Be interviewed for it?
John Mozeliak: I have read it, loved the report card to my parents...that was funny.
Think
Huh.
I'm glad he liked it, at least. A little weird to think about, though, I must admit.
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Your welcome
Also, he dodged the other half.
And he didn't answer my other question:
- What was the reasoning behing Iz2 and Miles? Not criticizing - just help us understand.
Sure he does
Based on gameday, though, it appears if Ryan Ludwick would merely move in, they wouldn't be getting hits.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The truth
If nothing else...
yes, i am amazed
And the red baron gets a nod from the man. Nice!
Hah! Mo reads VEB
Do you personally read Viva El Birdos? What do you think about the blogosphere and it's effect (or lack of) on the game in general - and yes, we know you're setting a trend with the program you announced...would you ever post on it? Be interviewed for it?
John Mozeliak: I have read it, loved the report card to my parents...that was funny.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 12, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
VEB in the chat
Do you personally read Viva El Birdos? What do you think about the blogosphere and it's effect (or lack of) on the game in general - and yes, we know you're setting a trend with the program you announced...would you ever post on it? Be interviewed for it?
John Mozeliak: I have read it, loved the report card to my parents...that was funny.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
Mo reads VEB
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Bukowski: Mo,
Do you personally read Viva El Birdos? What do you think about the blogosphere and it's effect (or lack of) on the game in general - and yes, we know you're setting a trend with the program you announced...would you ever post on it? Be interviewed for it?
John Mozeliak: I have read it, loved the report card to my parents...that was funny.
by RosevilleRedbird on Mar 12, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry HC for being redundant
by RosevilleRedbird on Mar 12, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta admit
Between Sid's call for fan help and Mo's availability through chat, StL really looks progressive.
What's the read on the Barton answers?
Is that the read you are getting?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Ya
In the question about RH outfielders of the future, he mentioned Mather but never mentioned Barton.
In other questions regarding Juan vs. Barton he just said it's interesting and will be a tough decision.
Very careful there it seems. I'm a little disappointed (especially in the RH hitting outfielder question), but you really can't expect Mo to say Barton over Juan in the press I guess.
Nope...
This is the quote to which I'm referring:
Q: "Shouldn't Barton's future weigh more than Gonzalez' past?"
A: "Yes! Barton has had a good spring and continues to work hard. He was a Rule V pick so we can't take that lightly. Juan has done everything we have asked, and is signed to minor league contract, so in the end we do have more flexibility with him."
Also, I honestly don't think you can expect the GM of a MLB franchise to publicly commit to a player on a newspaper website chat in spring training.
So, I guess "committment" means..
Sounds like the same for Barton, really.
That question
Gameday
I'll make an excuse for my boy
I'll go one step further
the question is...
I say - leave him in for he 5th.
He's got a lot more than 35 pitches
Right on cue
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, look at his line
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he does still have
OK Mo
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2008/1/16/102857/310
Well RB, I think you have a fan.
by That's a Winner on Mar 12, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
Trading for pitching?
"As we sit here today teams are now looking to move their access pitching and there are still a few pitchers out there of interest. I will continue to explore both markets, based on the last few days we need to add depth."
That was something I didn't really expect him to volunteer--most of the talk about adding pitching depth has surrounded the remaining FA starters (Lohse, Weaver, etc.). Of course, it could be that Mo was shoveling a standard "we're exploring all possiblities" response, but it also makes sense--signing a guy like Lohse now really won't help the rotation that much early in the season, because they still have to get him physically ready. Trading for a guy who already has gone through spring training better meets the Cardinals' immediate needs for depth.
I wouldn't mind
Chan Ho's said to be healthy again and could pitch well for Dunc with a nice repertoire built around a heavy sinker.
Uhh
Rough outing for Franklin.
by paCardsFan on Mar 12, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
Another ugly loss ...
There were some bright spots
Glaus and Rasmus both had excellent days.
But the Cardinals
Barton
by chicago cards fan on Mar 13, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
Duncan's other son
It look like Gomes just leveled him. I have always been a Gomes fan. I think he's underrated by everyone and most of all by his own team. I'm an even bigger fan now.
Joe Girardi
Duncan just went in hard. When you are sliding in hard your cleats tend to be up. I don't take it as he was trying to cleat the 2B, but he was going in hard for sure. There is just some bad blood now. I think that Joe started the whole thing being a tool.
Besides the Yanks are probably going to dominate the Rays this year anyway. I know the Rays are young and have talent but I don't see them doing anything this year. Sox & Yankees are going to take the division/wild card.
Duncan, etc.
by chicago cards fan on Mar 13, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
First base
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