grains of salt
you can watch today's game against the braves on mlb.tv; here's the gameday link.
brian barton has moved front and center in the outfield competition; he's 9 for his last 15 with 4 extra-base hits. hal mcrae says barton plays better in games than in practice; la russa terms him "an excellent worker." i'd like to see him stick, and i'd be the last one to dismiss the kid's hot recent hitting as some sort of illusion . . . . . ok, maybe not last. like all infinitesimally small sample sizes, this one is pretty skewed --- skewed toward NRIs. most of his damage has come against pitchers who've established that they're not very good major-leaguers, or pitchers who haven't established that they're major leaguers at all. that doesn't mean the hits don't count; i just think perspective is always a very useful thing.
barton launched this streak with a 4 for 5 day against the nats last tuesday, march 5; the pitchers he faced were john lannan, a 23-year-old who's thrown 73 innings above AA; tyler clippard, also 23 and nearly as inexperienced (96 innings above AA); and jason stanford, a quadruple A player who, at age 31, has thrown only 87 big-league innings. barton homered against stanford.
against the dodgers day before yesterday, he whacked a double against hong chi kuo, a 26-year-old left-hander with a 5.38 career era and a career .296 average allowed to right-handed hitters. and then he tripled against mario alvarez, a 24-year-old with a career 5.75 era in the minors (all at class A or below). yesterday's triple came against tyler yates, who has pitched the last couple of years for the braves with so-so results.
like i said, i'm not trying to trash this guy's performance; i'm merely trying to get perspective on it. when chris duncan homered off randy johnson in spring training two years ago, that caught my eye; barton hasn't done anything comparable so far. all the same, i'm rooting for him and hope he makes the team. and i love the colorful names on his list of PECOTA comps (especially wonderful monds and noochie varner). for what it's worth, PECOTA has barton at .256 / .329 / .385 this season. . . . .
out of curiosity i also took a look at who joe mather's been hitting; he, like barton, is 9 for 23 so far this spring with some pop (5 extra-base hits). and, like barton, he has mostly put the hurt on weakling pitchers. mather did homer off of kevin gregg, a halfway decent reliever, but 2 of his 3 doubles this spring came against aaron thompson, who's only 21 and hasn't pitched above class A (he was, however, a 1st-rounder in 2005), and his triple came off the aforementioned john lannan. at this stage of the spring, a disproportionate number of at-bats come against pitchers of this ilk, and the cardinals have played so many games against rebuilding teams (marlins, nats, orioles) that the sample is probably skewed even more. let's see how the youngsters do as the spring progresses and the best starting pitchers begin throwing 5 and 6 innings at a clip.
elsewhere:
- john sickels compares jay bruce vs colby rasmus and decides that bruce has more raw hitting potential, but rasmus will probably wind up the better all-around player.
- jeff luhnow answers some questions from Baseball Prospectus. a sampling:
David Laurila: After assuming your current role, you said that your joint responsibilities should eliminate the natural tension that exists between scouting and development. Can you expand on that?
Jeff Luhnow: Scouts evaluate players and have to project future development and performance. They dream on the players they recommend because they see potential. Once they decide that they like and want a player then they become an advocate for the player --- think of it as the player's marketing department within the organization. Once the player signs, [the scout] continue[s] to be an advocate and cheerleader, hoping that the player will develop and ultimately make a contribution. . . . . Inevitably, though, the player development department has to send guys home that the scouts signed, and that is the natural tension to which I referred. Nobody can eliminate that tension, but we try to channel it in a constructive direction.
- speaking of scouting: the cards' community-scouting project piqued the wall street journal's curiosity.
- joe posnanski asks: what is it with this high-falutin' "batting average" statistic?
- a whitey herzog sighting! gosh, i miss the old buzzard. good read:
I get together quite a bit with Stan and Red, Brock and Gibson. We do a lot of signings together I stay pretty busy. Hell, I get paid more money now to drink beer than I did to manage. . . .
I had a relationship with (Cardinals owner) Gussie Busch for 10 years. You couldn't have an owner and a manager who got along like we did. I didn't have to answer to anybody but him. When I was the general manager and the manager and I put the team together, he didn't really know what I was doing. He said as long as I told him before it got into the paper, he was happy. I'd tell him, "Hey Chief, I just got so-and-so." And he'd say, "Ah, wonderful, wonderful." Hell, he didn't know. . . .
0 recs |
88 comments
Comments
Barton
The more important concerns, however, remain #1-defense (are they really this bad?)
And #2-pitching, even though they did give up eight fewer runs on Sunday than they did on Saturday. One Flores down and one to go.
by vinniefromjersey on Mar 10, 2008 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree that defense
by chuckb on Mar 10, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mather a lot...
by mikedallas23 on Mar 10, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still room for mather
by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spiezio spot
by jjray on Mar 10, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
izturis/kennedy
by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this making too much
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 10, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reports
you also have to consider the alternatives. to me, ryan did not look that great at 3b. besides, i think one of izturis/kennedy is going to get cut opening up a middle infield spot for ryan. aaron miles doesnt belong at 3b either. imo, its down to mather and jiminez.
by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the practices/games I watched
FWIW I don't remember seeing him take any balls at third, even in warmups, though that may change now with Barden moved to the minor league camp. He can't be any worse than Glaus...
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mather
I am not sold on Mather at all. I mentioned this yesterday. Only ZiPS projects him and it isn't kind at all.
His minor league career has been pretty horrible when compared to first basemen and corner outfielders.
He had quite a spike in the first half of last year at AA...and it took him 6 minor league seasons to reach AA. When he was promoted to AAA, he regressed to his career norms.
Raw power potential is about the only positive I've seen in any scouting reports.
Now, I'm no minor league expert. I definitely defer to Erik, Azruavatar and Red Baron on these issues. I've also never seen Mather play besides an handful of clips and appearances. But, you can color me completely unimpressed with his minor league profile.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tools
i think the other thing to note is that the cards dont need him to be an all-star. they dont even need him to be a starter. they just need him to be able to hit lefties and be average at a couple defensive positions. i dont think that is asking too much.
by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
catching up on my Derrek Goold
Another interesting tidbit there; skip schumaker came up as a second baseman. He jokes about going back there, but wouldn't that solve a whole lot of problems at once for this team? And what better time to learn to play the position again that spring training? If I was him I'd take 800 ground balls a day at second base the next three weeks. I'm sure there is someone there willing to hit them to him.
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh for an edit button
The problem is, Skip, you "look like/hit like" an infielder. All you have to do to make a lot of money in the next couple of years is to be a better second baseman that Aaron Miles...
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez Over Ludwick?
Currently, Ludwick has the edge over Gonzalez in stats, but by edge, we really mean that he has two more singles than Juan, so it's not much of an edge.
R Ludwick STL OF 7 24 2 8 1 0 1 1 12 0 6 0 1 .360 .500 .333
J Gonzalez STL DH 8 22 3 6 1 0 1 5 10 1 3 0 0 .304 .455 .273
Given TLR's respect for experience, I think Juan still has the upper hand.
by Titus Pullo on Mar 10, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luddy impressed me
Bottom line is Ludwick is young and has a future; Juan is not and does not.
by the Tewk on Mar 10, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton versus Gonzalez
Barton .417 OBP, .739 SLG (only 23 AB's)
Gonzalez .304 OBP, .455 SLG (only 22 AB's)
For example, Tony might note that Barton was 0 for 3 with a strikeout in his first outing against established ML pitchers, on Feb. 29, including Santana, Heilman, and Wagner, while Gonzalez in the same game was 1 for 3 with a strikeout and that homerun vs. Santana.
I can easily imagine LaRussa thinking, "Yes, Brian has hit better than Juan this spring, and he is a much better fielder, and much speedier, but Barton has not shown he can hit against ML pitching, while Gonzalez has. I'm going with the proven veteran...."
I hope Barton's performance in the next three weeks makes that line of reasoning outdated. If Gonzalez stays and Barton goes, I'll be disgusted.
by CardsWin on Mar 10, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who gets the final say on rosters?
by StLHugo on Mar 10, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wondered the same thing...
You know what really irks me about the Brian Barton issue?
Who's decision should it be whether or not he makes the roster? In an issue where we would lose a player (Rule 5) if he doesn't make the team...should the field manager be the one calling the shots? Shouldn't the GM make the call?
I think TLR should be able to call the shots about playing time, but he shouldn't be calling the shots on who makes the team.
All this stuff inferred that TLR won't pick Barton over the other candidates ruffles me for that reason.
Is MO a straw-GM? Am I wrong on who should make the call? Is the press and all of us giving more authority to TLR than he really has?
Maybe "shouldn't be calling the shots on who makes the team" isn't right. But, in long-term calls that affect the organization as a whole....like starting the arbi-clock on your top prospect or a decision on a player that will result in losing said player...i feel this shouldn't be your field manager's call.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has got to be a big issue
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 10, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has to be
I am curious about how this works, though.
I mean, does it trickle down? Does the major league manager get to choose who's on his roster...then the AAA manager chooses, then the players left are decided on by the AA manager? Everything I've seen indicates the front office/player development guys get to pick where minor league players go...why does it become a field manager's decision at the major league level? Does TLR have a greater say here than other managers?
by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton
Gonzalez will have to be lightening in a bottle to make this team. If not he will be released and maybe he ends up in the AL as DH.
I think the pitching will come together, but the middle infield my goodness! Scrap it and start over. Miles, Kennedy, and Izzy2 all need to go.
I am really pulling for Skip! I hope he is the opening day lead off man.
by nybirdfan on Mar 10, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Opening Day
by MRCARD on Mar 10, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Gone - New York
If Juan can continue to show some ability perhaps this is plausible...
by cardzfanbub on Mar 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading an NRI ?
Do the Cardinals even have the ability/right to trade Juan Gonzalez, a non-roster invitee to spring training. Or is it just he makes the team or he doesn't?
Does anyone know?
by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
partial answer
by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, that clears up part of my question
I know some of the veterans that have been signing have deals that they are granted an outright release if not called up by the end of April, for example.
by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
by liam on Mar 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an idea I like
Meanwhile the veteran Juan Castro is going to waste on their roster... and even at his age he would immediately be the best defensive infielder on OUR roster.
Juan for Juan... I like it.
by the Tewk on Mar 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty hates walks
I'd be willing to donate both my pinkie toes to get Jeff Keppinger. Beats losing my nails on all 10 fingers scratching my face watching Kennedy hit .219 again anyway.
by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe posnanski
and is it possible to dislike brian bannister?
by birdsonthebat on Mar 10, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank god I can stop worrying about Ponson
by sdrone on Mar 10, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
todays game
by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FSM
by ICbirdfan on Mar 10, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
replay tonight?
by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Sports
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7889182/Preview-2008:-St.-Louis-Cardinals
I like the grade on Mark Mulder, N/A. Seems like that sums up his entire time with the Cards.
They say Adam Kennedy is a "Dead fastball hitter". Yeah, really dead fastballs.
I also think calling Cesar Izturis a "Quality SS" is an insult to quality shortstops everywhere.
by That's a Winner on Mar 10, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spacing is everything
by Cardinal70 on Mar 10, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful!
by vinniefromjersey on Mar 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else slightly worried that Wainwright
Nice play in CF there, Rick! Oy.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there's the pitcher's best friend ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCann's Single
by Titus Pullo on Mar 10, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legit
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance they'll tuck Chris Duncan on the DL
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is he injured?
They could also start him in memphis, couldn't they? It wouldn't be the optimal thing to do, but whatever helps the team in the long run i guess.
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is having back difficulties
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
new diary "MLB.tv- would you recommend?"
by redrey on Mar 10, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mlb.tv
by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: mlb.tv
I haven't jumped back on to it this year b/c I can't watch it at work anyway, and because I live in Fox Sports Midwest land, so don't need it to see the Cards.
I'd be more likely to subscribe to an extra innings package than to subscribe to mlb.tv
by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis isn't very good
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did win a gold glove
I thought it was a good move when the cubs picked him up. . .but he was off to Pitts by the end of that season.
Not a good sign for the Cards to be adding Pitt/Cub trash
by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis is really unimpressive
by showmejoe on Mar 10, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for something positive to say ...
Wainright seems to be really settling in ... I love this kid ...
Barton is really starting to come around ... the article in the P-D was interesting today ... maybe he just had early concerns for his knee ... but he took a good walk and has made two good outfield catches ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Something positive is...
by showmejoe on Mar 10, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Mays Hayes
by brafi on Mar 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm somewhat amused by the irony
On the bright side, at least iz2 didn't do anything to help his chances of making the team.
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
by StLHugo on Mar 10, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge has saved 2 doubles now
I wonder if because he is batting in front of Albert, Barton isn't being allowed to steal 2nd. He's taken suicide leads twice but doesn't seem to be going.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday link
by stltrav09 on Mar 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what I'm using ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Politte did a good job ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
larue
by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree mstreeter ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone think ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's gotta be getting close to
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i posted a diary
by punchinjudy on Mar 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
by the red baron on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played in the same division the last....
by DiscoJer on Mar 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"not as bad as his hitting"
I enjoyed watching him play for the Cubs last year. If you get my drift.
by sdrone on Mar 10, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GuanGone went back on that ball well ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lead off walk ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis steals second ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can Hofpauir see anything
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha! That's about right ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing, Hardcore
by ridgesee on Mar 10, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez and Motte ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ironically
by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Observations
Brian Barton looks good in the field, and I can't help but dig that he wears the stirrups.
Barton looked to have a good plan at the plate all day, except for his second AB against Jurrjens when he struck out pretty badly.
Juan Gonzalez knows how to swing the bat.
Adam Kennedy is a solid defensive 2nd baseman.
La Russa was probably pleased with the youngsters' situational batting in the eighth when we scored our lone run: Hoffpauir and Barton both went the other way with a RISP to advance and drive in Izturis.
Jason Motte throws with a catcher's snap-throw and dialed it up to 99 today. I'm looking forward to him getting called up at some point this season. Impressive pitcher.
Once he settled down, Adam Wainwright looked excellent today. He was the first Cardinal starter to go 4 innings and was efficient enough to pitch a fifth.
by liam on Mar 10, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Motte
by ridgesee on Mar 10, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Motte throws real hard
Perez has a pretty scary curveball, too.
by liam on Mar 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love you, Ridgesee.
by the red baron on Mar 11, 2008 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro shoulder troubles
So, assuming they take the safe route and keep him from the Opening Day roster, the rotation now looks like Wainwright, Looper, Reyes and toss up?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it time for Mo
I think Weaver could be good for at least 10 wins this year....wishful thinking I know.
by KYCards on Mar 11, 2008 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a shame
by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame
I mean, look at the positive stories about the minor leaguers in camp. We seem to have alot of promising RELIEVERS. We have no depth for the rotation. At this point, it's Reyes and Wainwright while Looper has to show that his last outing was an extreme, not the norm.
This could get alot uglier faster than we thought.
I can understand that if Izturis and Kennedy were cut and the organization chose to go get nothing, allowing some of the other guys to try (Barden, Ryan, Jiminez, Hoff), but if they don't get a starter now, it's not a situation of letting young guys get a chance, it's a situation of 'do-nothingness' because of already lowered expectations.
I'm not a pie-in-the-sky type guy but offensively, if we can solve the MIF situation, this team has a real chance of being pretty darn good on offense. But this pitching could set records for all the wrong reasons.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been an interesting offseason for Boras
by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs



















