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you can watch today's game against the braves on mlb.tv; here's the gameday link.

brian barton has moved front and center in the outfield competition; he's 9 for his last 15 with 4 extra-base hits. hal mcrae says barton plays better in games than in practice; la russa terms him "an excellent worker." i'd like to see him stick, and i'd be the last one to dismiss the kid's hot recent hitting as some sort of illusion . . . . . ok, maybe not last. like all infinitesimally small sample sizes, this one is pretty skewed --- skewed toward NRIs. most of his damage has come against pitchers who've established that they're not very good major-leaguers, or pitchers who haven't established that they're major leaguers at all. that doesn't mean the hits don't count; i just think perspective is always a very useful thing.

barton launched this streak with a 4 for 5 day against the nats last tuesday, march 5; the pitchers he faced were john lannan, a 23-year-old who's thrown 73 innings above AA; tyler clippard, also 23 and nearly as inexperienced (96 innings above AA); and jason stanford, a quadruple A player who, at age 31, has thrown only 87 big-league innings. barton homered against stanford.

against the dodgers day before yesterday, he whacked a double against hong chi kuo, a 26-year-old left-hander with a 5.38 career era and a career .296 average allowed to right-handed hitters. and then he tripled against mario alvarez, a 24-year-old with a career 5.75 era in the minors (all at class A or below). yesterday's triple came against tyler yates, who has pitched the last couple of years for the braves with so-so results.

like i said, i'm not trying to trash this guy's performance; i'm merely trying to get perspective on it. when chris duncan homered off randy johnson in spring training two years ago, that caught my eye; barton hasn't done anything comparable so far. all the same, i'm rooting for him and hope he makes the team. and i love the colorful names on his list of PECOTA comps (especially wonderful monds and noochie varner). for what it's worth, PECOTA has barton at .256 / .329 / .385 this season. . . . .

out of curiosity i also took a look at who joe mather's been hitting; he, like barton, is 9 for 23 so far this spring with some pop (5 extra-base hits). and, like barton, he has mostly put the hurt on weakling pitchers. mather did homer off of kevin gregg, a halfway decent reliever, but 2 of his 3 doubles this spring came against aaron thompson, who's only 21 and hasn't pitched above class A (he was, however, a 1st-rounder in 2005), and his triple came off the aforementioned john lannan. at this stage of the spring, a disproportionate number of at-bats come against pitchers of this ilk, and the cardinals have played so many games against rebuilding teams (marlins, nats, orioles) that the sample is probably skewed even more. let's see how the youngsters do as the spring progresses and the best starting pitchers begin throwing 5 and 6 innings at a clip.

elsewhere:

  • john sickels compares jay bruce vs colby rasmus and decides that bruce has more raw hitting potential, but rasmus will probably wind up the better all-around player.
  • jeff luhnow answers some questions from Baseball Prospectus. a sampling:
    David Laurila: After assuming your current role, you said that your joint responsibilities should eliminate the natural tension that exists between scouting and development. Can you expand on that?

    Jeff Luhnow: Scouts evaluate players and have to project future development and performance. They dream on the players they recommend because they see potential. Once they decide that they like and want a player then they become an advocate for the player --- think of it as the player's marketing department within the organization. Once the player signs, [the scout] continue[s] to be an advocate and cheerleader, hoping that the player will develop and ultimately make a contribution. . . . . Inevitably, though, the player development department has to send guys home that the scouts signed, and that is the natural tension to which I referred. Nobody can eliminate that tension, but we try to channel it in a constructive direction.

  • speaking of scouting: the cards' community-scouting project piqued the wall street journal's curiosity.
  • joe posnanski asks: what is it with this high-falutin' "batting average" statistic?
  • a whitey herzog sighting! gosh, i miss the old buzzard. good read:
    I get together quite a bit with Stan and Red, Brock and Gibson. We do a lot of signings together I stay pretty busy. Hell, I get paid more money now to drink beer than I did to manage. . . .

    I had a relationship with (Cardinals owner) Gussie Busch for 10 years. You couldn't have an owner and a manager who got along like we did. I didn't have to answer to anybody but him. When I was the general manager and the manager and I put the team together, he didn't really know what I was doing. He said as long as I told him before it got into the paper, he was happy. I'd tell him, "Hey Chief, I just got so-and-so." And he'd say, "Ah, wonderful, wonderful." Hell, he didn't know. . . .

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Barton
would solve a few problems: right-handed, fast, young, leadoff. I hope he sticks, especially if it's between him and Juan Gone. Mather seems to have become a spring regular.
     The more important concerns, however, remain #1-defense (are they really this bad?)
     And #2-pitching, even though they did give up eight fewer runs on Sunday than they did on Saturday. One Flores down and one to go.

by vinniefromjersey on Mar 10, 2008 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree that defense
is the #1 concern.  It's not very good -- of that we're sure.  To me the #1 concern is finding good, young ballplayers.  It's not positional or power/speed, offense/defense.  If Barton's only downside is that his arm isn't that strong, we may have found a pretty good player.  If Mather has tons of offensive ability but is lacking defensively, we can work with that.  We need to find out who can play and what the future holds -- that's our #1 concern.

by chuckb on Mar 10, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Mather a lot...
But he has options, so he can start the season in Memphis. Why not start with an OF of Ludwick/Ankiel/Duncan/Skip/Barton, and then if either Skip or Barton flames out then you bring up Mather or Rasmus?

by mikedallas23 on Mar 10, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still room for mather
he would be taking spiezio's infield spot.  that he can also be a right handed bat for the outfield is a nice bonus.  the cards could afford to keep skip.  lefties - ankiel, duncan and skip.  righties - ludwick, barton and mather.  juan is gone in this scenario.

by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spiezio spot
I too would like to see Mather's power bat on the STL bench but there is a problem with giving him Spiezio's roster spot: that would mean no room for Ryan.  The smart play IMHO would be to DFA Miles (just eat the stupid contract they gave him) and keep Ryan as the backup middle infielder and Mather as the backup corner IF / outfielder.  But Tony has a think for switch hitting utility IFers so I doubt it goes down this way.

by jjray on Mar 10, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

izturis/kennedy
i think one or both of them wont make it.  i believe you can cut a player in march and only owe a portion of the contract (termination pay) instead of the entire contract.  it wouldnt cost the full $2.85MM to kick to izturis to the curb.  also, its a bit easier to eat that contract when your alternatives (ryan or d'angelo jiminez) will make peanuts.  kennedy's contract is a little more problematic, but if he isnt any better than last year they can't afford to keep him.  i think it is easier for Mo to rationalize cutting AK.  he can just chalk that mistake up to jocketty.

by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this making too much
of an assumption about Mather's ability to play 3B?  From what I've heard he is no great shakes at the hot corner, while Speezer was probably at least average.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 10, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reports
i have read varying reports.  some have called him acceptable defensively at 3b.  in a chat last year, joe straus described him as "not a defensive liability at third base or in the outfield."

you also have to consider the alternatives.  to me, ryan did not look that great at 3b.  besides, i think one of izturis/kennedy is going to get cut opening up a middle infield spot for ryan.  aaron miles doesnt belong at 3b either.  imo, its down to mather and jiminez.

by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the practices/games I watched
mather was good in the outfield and better than phelps at first base.  He didn't seem clumsy at all, though he looks like a guy who would be clumsy since he's so huge.  

FWIW I don't remember seeing him take any balls at third, even in warmups, though that may change now with Barden moved to the minor league camp.  He can't be any worse than Glaus...

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mather
Not really responding to you, Sleepy.  Just didn't know where to stick this.  

I am not sold on Mather at all.   I mentioned this yesterday.   Only ZiPS projects him and it isn't kind at all.

His minor league career has been pretty horrible when compared to first basemen and corner outfielders.  

He had quite a spike in the first half of last year at AA...and it took him 6 minor league seasons to reach AA.   When he was promoted to AAA, he regressed to his career norms.  

Raw power potential is about the only positive I've seen in any scouting reports.  

Now, I'm no minor league expert.  I definitely defer to Erik, Azruavatar and Red Baron on these issues.  I've also never seen Mather play besides an handful of clips and appearances.  But, you can color me completely unimpressed with his minor league profile.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tools
what you are describing isnt all that unusual for prospects that are considered raw tools guys, like mather.  they tend to struggle to put it together for a while and then all of a sudden something clicks.  they figure it out and take off...well, some of them do anyway.  i think that is what happened to mather.  he struggled upon promotion to AAA but the splits show a steady progression when he got there.  he put up a .274/.379/.500 line in august.  when you look at his minor league career you see some years when he hadnt quite figured out how to use his tools.  then you see last year.  the hope is that those numbers represent what he is capable of when utilizing his full toolset rather than just some random blip.

i think the other thing to note is that the cards dont need him to be an all-star.  they dont even need him to be a starter.  they just need him to be able to hit lefties and be average at a couple defensive positions.  i dont think that is asking too much.

by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

catching up on my Derrek Goold
now that I'm through my 478 unread emails, and it appears that Mather is taking balls at third.  Of course he waited until the day after I left to do so.

Another interesting tidbit there; skip schumaker came up as a second baseman.  He jokes about going back there, but wouldn't that solve a whole lot of problems at once for this team?  And what better time to learn to play the position again that spring training?  If I was him I'd take 800 ground balls a day at second base the next three weeks.  I'm sure there is someone there willing to hit them to him.

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh for an edit button
Skip came up as an infielder/SS.  Goold mentioned him moving to 2B and Skip joked about it.  

The problem is, Skip, you "look like/hit like" an infielder.  All you have to do to make a lot of money in the next couple of years is to be a better second baseman that Aaron Miles...

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez Over Ludwick?
I know I'm probably wading into some controversy here, but why would we take Ludwick over Gonzalez?  Most of the analysis has been comparing Barton and Gonzalez.  But if we agree that Barton is making a better showing than Ludwick, why wouldn't wouldn't shift the analysis?

Currently, Ludwick has the edge over Gonzalez in stats, but by edge, we really mean that he has two more singles than Juan, so it's not much of an edge.

R Ludwick   STL OF 7 24 2 8 1 0 1 1 12 0 6 0 1 .360 .500 .333
J Gonzalez STL DH 8 22 3 6 1 0 1 5 10 1 3 0 0 .304 .455 .273

Given TLR's respect for experience, I think Juan still has the upper hand.  

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 10, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Options
Ludwick is out of them, and Gonzalez is an NRI.  Plus, you have to consider defense.

by Phyrkrakr on Mar 10, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luddy impressed me
with the stick last year.  re Juan G... it's not like he is coming off a .275 year with Texas or something.  He hasn't been a major leaguer for three years.
Bottom line is Ludwick is young and has a future; Juan is not and does not.

by the Tewk on Mar 10, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton versus Gonzalez
I wholeheartedly agree with your dose of reality, Larry, to keep us in perspective on Brian Barton's success so far. But I hope LaRussa doesn't use your case to keep Gonzalez on the ML roster in place of Barton.  

Barton    .417 OBP, .739 SLG (only 23 AB's)
Gonzalez  .304 OBP, .455 SLG (only 22 AB's)

For example, Tony might note that Barton was 0 for 3 with a strikeout in his first outing against established ML pitchers, on Feb. 29, including Santana, Heilman, and Wagner, while Gonzalez in the same game was 1 for 3 with a strikeout and that homerun vs. Santana.

I can easily imagine LaRussa thinking, "Yes, Brian has hit better than Juan this spring, and he is a much better fielder, and much speedier, but Barton has not shown he can hit against ML pitching, while Gonzalez has. I'm going with the proven veteran...."

I hope Barton's performance in the next three weeks makes that line of reasoning outdated. If Gonzalez stays and Barton goes, I'll be disgusted.

by CardsWin on Mar 10, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who gets the final say on rosters?
I know the manager gets a lot of control but who really has the final say on the roster?  Could Mo just force Barton onto the 25 man and make TLR work around it?  We need a GM that can stand up to Tony, while he is a great manager he isn't supposed to be the talent judge for the organization.

by StLHugo on Mar 10, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wondered the same thing...
i asked this at the end of Azru's post the other day...

You know what really irks me about the Brian Barton issue?

Who's decision should it be whether or not he makes the roster?  In an issue where we would lose a player (Rule 5) if he doesn't make the team...should the field manager be the one calling the shots?   Shouldn't the GM make the call?  

I think TLR should be able to call the shots about playing time, but he shouldn't be calling the shots on who makes the team.  

All this stuff inferred that TLR won't pick Barton over the other candidates ruffles me for that reason.

Is MO a straw-GM?  Am I wrong on who should make the call?   Is the press and all of us giving more authority to TLR than he really has?

Maybe "shouldn't be calling the shots on who makes the team" isn't right.   But, in long-term calls that affect the organization as a whole....like starting the arbi-clock on your top prospect or a decision on a player that will result in losing said player...i feel this shouldn't be your field manager's call.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This has got to be a big issue
with almost every ML team.  And in every case, the dynamic is just a little different.  Technically, the GM outranks the manager but it's easy to see how counterproductive it would be to have a GM shove players down the manager's throat.  I would hope that some compromising would be done here.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 10, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There has to be
I agree about the shoving players down managers throats thing.  

I am curious about how this works, though.  

I mean, does it trickle down?  Does the major league manager get to choose who's on his roster...then the AAA manager chooses, then the players left are decided on by the AA manager?   Everything I've seen indicates the front office/player development guys get to pick where minor league players go...why does it become a field manager's decision at the major league level?   Does TLR have a greater say here than other managers?  

by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton
If this kid is as good as everyone says then he should be on the 25 man roster. Even if he is not one the best 13 position players coming out of spring. IF he is that good then we should carry him and let him develop. You don't hand back a pot of gold.

 Gonzalez will have to be lightening in a bottle to make this team. If not he will be released and maybe  he ends up in the AL as DH.

  I think the pitching will come together, but the middle infield my goodness! Scrap it and start over. Miles, Kennedy, and Izzy2 all need to go.

 I am really pulling for Skip! I hope he is the opening day lead off man.

by nybirdfan on Mar 10, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Opening Day
We're facing a lefty the first game of the season.  There is not a good chance of Skip starting opening day...
"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Mar 10, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Juan Gone - New York
With the Mets scurrying for a replacement/backup for Alou...do you suppose we dangle JuanGone?  Wouldn't need much in return...do they have any decent middle IF's blocked by Reyes and Castillo?

If Juan can continue to show some ability perhaps this is plausible...

Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!

by cardzfanbub on Mar 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trading an NRI ?
I was wondering that the other day.

Do the Cardinals even have the ability/right to trade Juan Gonzalez, a non-roster invitee to spring training.  Or is it just he makes the team or he doesn't?

Does anyone know?

by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

partial answer
Juan isn't a NRI, we signed him to a minor league contract.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 10, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, that clears up part of my question
So does anyone know then if the Cards retain the ability/right to trade him.

I know some of the veterans that have been signing have deals that they are granted an outright release if not called up by the end of April, for example.

by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know
But I emailed Goold about whether he has a release clause like that in his contract. Haven't heard back, but if I do, will post it here.

by liam on Mar 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

an idea I like
is to give Juan over to Dust-bag and the Reds.  A lot of their power is left-handed (Dunn, Griffey, Votto) and JG might be a temporary fit there.
Meanwhile the veteran Juan Castro is going to waste on their roster... and even at his age he would immediately be the best defensive infielder on OUR roster.
Juan for Juan... I like it.

by the Tewk on Mar 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty hates walks
JuanGone for Adam Dunn.  

I'd be willing to donate both my pinkie toes to get Jeff Keppinger.  Beats losing my nails on all 10 fingers scratching my face watching Kennedy hit .219 again anyway.

With no evidence to the contrary: Colby Rasmus is clutch.

by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

joe posnanski
thanks for that link. i think that was a great non-threatening articulation of the new-generation stats.  i'll be reading his stuff more often.  

and is it possible to dislike brian bannister?

"There's a good possibility we may not be as bad as people think we're going to be."-- La Russa

by birdsonthebat on Mar 10, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

todays game
for those with fox sports midwest and didn't know about todays game, its being picked up but with the braves announcers. go cards!

by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FSM
Will they replay the game tonight?  

by ICbirdfan on Mar 10, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

replay tonight?
i didn't see a replay scheduled on fsn. i wouldn't expect it to be since it's a simulcast

by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shoot
My tivo didn't know that !

by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox Sports
Has it's 2008 St. Louis Cardinals preview up.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7889182/Preview-2008:-St.-Louis-Cardinals

I like the grade on Mark Mulder, N/A. Seems like that sums up his entire time with the Cards.

They say Adam Kennedy is a  "Dead fastball hitter". Yeah, really dead fastballs.

I also think calling Cesar Izturis a "Quality SS" is an insult to quality shortstops everywhere.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"-George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Mar 10, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spacing is everything
Is Kennedy a "dead fastball" hitter or a dead "fastball hitter"?

by Cardinal70 on Mar 10, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful!
Last year, unfortunately, he was the latter.

by vinniefromjersey on Mar 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep ...
They're teeing off on Wainer right now.  He out to a slow spring ... I'm a little worried, but I think he'll right himself.
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there's the pitcher's best friend ...
The good ole' double play.
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCann's Single
Legit?  Or a ball that Gonzalez should have caught?
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 10, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Legit
the triple was only a triple because Ankiel missed a ball in the gap and then KICKED it past Gonzalez in RF all the way to the fence.  They both had to go chase it but you can't really blame Juan for not expecting the corner kick from Rick.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he injured?
Are they talking about it on mlb tv or something?

They could also start him in memphis, couldn't they?  It wouldn't be the optimal thing to do, but whatever helps the team in the long run i guess.

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlb.tv
i like it.  i live in chicago so i wouldnt be able to watch the cards without it or a satellite dish.  the quality is decent.  i guess it depends on your monitor size.  it looks OK (not great) on my 22 inch monitor but it isnt good enough to output to my 42 inch tv.  fast motion stuff sometimes get a little blurry or pixelated.  it is sometimes hard to track the ball off the bat.

by dmb60614 on Mar 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: mlb.tv
I had it last spring for the spring training games, and liked it a lot for that.

I haven't jumped back on to it this year b/c I can't watch it at work anyway, and because I live in Fox Sports Midwest land, so don't need it to see the Cards.

I'd be more likely to subscribe to an extra innings package than to subscribe to mlb.tv

by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...
Izturis pretty much sucks as far as I see ... It's starting to be my spring soapbox ... I usually don't get on top of those ... but I don't understand this signing at all.
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he did win a gold glove
albeit 4 years ago.  

I thought it was a good move when the cubs picked him up. . .but he was off to Pitts by the end of that season.  

Not a good sign for the Cards to be adding Pitt/Cub trash

by mwinf12 on Mar 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis is really unimpressive
I was at the games yesterday and today.  Izturis didn't give much of a reason that he should be on the team.  If not for the scoop by Albert he would have had his 5th error, and he couldn't even impress in BP.  I certainly hope we cut him and Ryan is our everyday SS, it would be fun to see a young, promissing player learn and have a couple tough days than to see a weak veteran just stink it up the whole year why we have to watch the mockery.
I'm looking for the next Bobby Bonilla?

by showmejoe on Mar 10, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking for something positive to say ...
because everything I offer seems to be negative (and I don't like it) ...

Wainright seems to be really settling in ... I love this kid ...

Barton is really starting to come around ... the article in the P-D was interesting today ... maybe he just had early concerns for his knee ... but he took a good walk and has made two good outfield catches ...

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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Something positive is...
Perez hitting 100 mph on the stadium gun.  He also hit 99 a couple times.
I'm looking for the next Bobby Bonilla?

by showmejoe on Mar 10, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willie Mays Hayes
That's the second time Izturis has hit a lazy flyball today. I feel like he should have to drop and do 20 pushups whenever he hits the ball in the air

by brafi on Mar 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm somewhat amused by the irony
of having a decent hitter, adam wainwright (.710 OPS in '07), make an automatic out so that a poor hitter, izturis (.617 OPS in '07), can have a chance at 2 RBI's.  I guess someone wrote down once that "pitchers should bunt" and that's the rule they use.

On the bright side, at least iz2 didn't do anything to help his chances of making the team.

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing
I was wondering exactly that.

by StLHugo on Mar 10, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lillibridge has saved 2 doubles now
one by Gonzalez and one by Barton.  I remember when we had that kind of infield defense.

I wonder if because he is batting in front of Albert, Barton isn't being allowed to steal 2nd.  He's taken suicide leads twice but doesn't seem to be going.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday link
the one of front page doesn't work.  
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 10, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is what I'm using ...
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_10_slnmlb_atlmlb_1&brand=mlb
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politte did a good job ...
of pitching himself out of that trouble ...
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

larue
great throw by larue to throw out the would be base stealer. i think he's going to be a great backup catcher with his defense.

by mstreeter06 on Mar 10, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree mstreeter ...
He's made some excellent throws and will be a great backup ... much better than Bennett ... he has ground into a few DP's though ... but, he was a good pickup.
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone think ...
Izturis should've come up with that grounder up the middle?  What's the story on his range?
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by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i posted a diary
on him and kennedy.  doubt they cut Iz2 just cause of the way they handled Kennedy...however kennedy is owed way more
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing
As soon as that ball was hit, I chalked it up as an out.  Then, it just sort of kept going, and no one got to it.  
"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played in the same division the last....
year and a half. It baffles me how Izturis is such a mysterious player to Cardinals fans.  His defense has been bad, not as bad as his hitting, but bad.

by DiscoJer on Mar 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"not as bad as his hitting"
Statistics aside, I'd debate that.

I enjoyed watching him play for the Cubs last year.   If you get my drift.

by sdrone on Mar 10, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GuanGone went back on that ball well ...
That's two put outs for him so far ... he CAN still catch a ball ... top of the eigth ... how about some OFFENSE ???
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lead off walk ...
Here we go ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izturis steals second ...
A contribution from Iz2 ... what'daya know ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How can Hofpauir see anything
with his helmet over his eyes?  He looks like the smallest kid on the little league team coming up to bat with the bases loaded and all the size 'S' helmets on base.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha! That's about right ...
he looks funny out there ... but at least he moved the runner over and we got one in ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing, Hardcore
Is that helmet to big for him, or is that the way he  likes it. If so, some flamethrower is going to ring his bell.

by ridgesee on Mar 10, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez and Motte ...
both look good out there ... they can throw some heat ... and Perez's curve is impressive ... they'll be good additions to an already good bullpen, someday ... too bad one of them's not a lefty ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ironically
Motte is a lefty.  He just somehow doesn't throw or hit left-handed...

by SleepyCA on Mar 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Observations
Just finished up watching today's game on the dvr.

Brian Barton looks good in the field, and I can't help but dig that he wears the stirrups.

Barton looked to have a good plan at the plate all day, except for his second AB against Jurrjens when he struck out pretty badly.

Juan Gonzalez knows how to swing the bat.

Adam Kennedy is a solid defensive 2nd baseman.

La Russa was probably pleased with the youngsters' situational batting in the eighth when we scored our lone run: Hoffpauir and Barton both went the other way with a RISP to advance and drive in Izturis.

Jason Motte throws with a catcher's snap-throw and dialed it up to 99 today. I'm looking forward to him getting called up at some point this season. Impressive pitcher.

Once he settled down, Adam Wainwright looked excellent today. He was the first Cardinal starter to go 4 innings and was efficient enough to pitch a fifth.

by liam on Mar 10, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Motte
looked to throw harder than Perez, but in one of the other TV games I saw, Jamie Garcia pitched and he looked more wicked than Motte of Perez to me.

by ridgesee on Mar 10, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Motte throws real hard
He was really gassing it in there. Perez sat around 94 on the gun, Motte was consistently at or above 96.

Perez has a pretty scary curveball, too.

by liam on Mar 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you, Ridgesee.
I love that someone else sees what I see when I watch Garcia pitch.  He obviously doesn't throw as hard as either of those other two, but between his nasty curveball and tremendous movement on his fastball, I think Garcia has top of the line stuff.  I really think he's underrated, by and large.  
"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 11, 2008 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pineiro shoulder troubles
check out DGoold's latest story.  He's having even more trouble with it now.

So, assuming they take the safe route and keep him from the Opening Day roster, the rotation now looks like Wainwright, Looper, Reyes and toss up?

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it time for Mo
to try and get Jeff Weaver for a cheap one year contract?  At this point I would think Boras would take anything for Weaver now, since he is yet to sign anywhere.

I think Weaver could be good for at least 10 wins this year....wishful thinking I know.

by KYCards on Mar 11, 2008 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a shame
that Lohse and Weaver have the same agent...  

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame
that the team did very little to address the lack of pitching in reserves during the offseason.

I mean, look at the positive stories about the minor leaguers in camp.  We seem to have alot of promising RELIEVERS.  We have no depth for the rotation.  At this point, it's Reyes and Wainwright while Looper has to show that his last outing was an extreme, not the norm.

This could get alot uglier faster than we thought.

I can understand that if Izturis and Kennedy were cut and the organization chose to go get nothing, allowing some of the other guys to try (Barden, Ryan, Jiminez, Hoff), but if they don't get a starter now, it's not a situation of letting young guys get a chance, it's a situation of 'do-nothingness' because of already lowered expectations.

I'm not a pie-in-the-sky type guy but offensively, if we can solve the MIF situation, this team has a real chance of being pretty darn good on offense.  But this pitching could set records for all the wrong reasons.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been an interesting offseason for Boras
Though from what I've gathered his '08 draft stable is still stacked.
With no evidence to the contrary: Colby Rasmus is clutch.

by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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