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1st of March- Room for One More

Morning, everybody.  Camp is in full swing, actual games have begun, and there is finally plenty to talk about.  

A couple of notable performances in yesterday's game.  Jaime Garcia, for one, was very impressive.  Very good velocity on his fastball, his curveball, though a little inconsistent, had very good depth and shape, and he threw a nasty little cutter that I wasn't aware he had.  More importantly, his control looked very good, suggesting that his elbow really is in pretty good shape.  I'm still keeping my fingers crossed, but even that limited exposure yesterday was extremely encouraging.  His final line: 2ip, no runs, one hit, one BB, and two Ks.  

Mike Parisi, Lboros's favourite, pitched pretty well.  He looked a little shaky at first, but settled down and threw the ball well.  In particular, he buckled David Wright's knees on one truly wicked bender.  It was actually the first time I've seen Parisi pitch live, and he looked pretty good.  He's not a world beater, but he has some tools.  A guy who very well could contribute as a swingman or back of the rotation type pitcher.  

Top prospect Juan Gonzalez was the offensive star of the game, of course, with his Johan Santana bashing.  I'm still against the Juan Gone era, but I'll give the man his due: his bat doesn't look as if it's gone too very soft in storage.  Man, that hurt to say.  

Brendan Ryan continues to have a great spring, going 2 for 3 yesterday with a triple.  So far, he's making it awfully tough to bet against him.  He's played very solid defense, and his bat hasn't been too bad either.  I'm rooting for him.  

Colby Rasmus made an out.  The kid's obviously not ready.  

David Freese also went 2 for 3 with a triple.  Unfortunately, I missed seeing the triple, but his other at bats looked good.  Solid swing.  He looked decent in the field, but I didn't watch all that closely there.  

Wainer looked to be in pretty good shape for this point in the spring.  He struggled with his location in the first, giving up two runs, but blew through the second in six pitches, which allowed him to complete his three innings.  Of course, results don't mean much this early, but it was nice to see him finish his scheduled throw.  

In non game action, Matt Clement appears to be progressing nicely.  

"I was encouraged," Clement said.  "It was one step, but I thought it was a good step.  There was definitely a difference."
 
I'm not getting my hopes up for Clement just yet; come to think of it, though, I don't think I had particularly high hopes for him to begin with.  Still, it's better news than an MRI, so I'm at least cautiously optimistic.  

With Pineiro uncertain at the moment, and Clement looking as if he may still be behind the schedule of the other pitchers, there are some extra innings for the young guys to throw.  I'm glad to see guys like Garcia make a good impression, even if he's not likely to receive a whole lot of consideration.  Kyle McClellan, on the other hand, is receiving a ton of consideration from all sources, and it appears he'll be taking Pineiro's turn on the mound on Sunday.  I'm really excited to see it.  The pitching coach is absolutely in love with the kid; I want to see what all the fuss is about.  

In today's game, we'll see Wellemeyer make his first start of the spring, followed by Brad Thompson out of the bullpen.  We'll also see the new look Marlins, (it seems like we say that every spring, doesn't it?) for the first time.  

The way this team is currently shaping up, it looks as if the 'competitions' we hear about every spring are a little more legitimate, mostly out of necessity.  So here's my topic for all of you this Saturday morning:

Scott Spiezio's departure creates a spot for some enterprising young soul to seize.  At least one of the spots at the back of the rotation is wide open.  The outfield is just a big old mess.  Choose the players you want to see winning each of the competitions below.  

Wellemeyer, Reyes, or Thompson?  

Brendan Ryan, D'Angelo Jimenez, or, darkest of dark horses, Joe Mather?  

Juan Gonzalez, Skip Schumaker, or Brian Barton?  

I know that all of these have been discussed separately elsewhere, but we're starting to see some performances from these players, and beginning to see exactly where the opportunities are going to be.  So just how would you like to see this roster shape up?  

One other big question: if Joel Pineiro's shoulder stiffness proves to be the tip of an injury iceberg, even if he only looks to miss a month or two, something like that, do the Cardinals finally have to give in and sign one of the remaining free agent pitchers on the market?  If so, do you want Weaver or Lohse?  Personally, I don't want either one, but I would be much more enamoured of a Dream Weaver return than I would be handing a sack of cash to Kyle Lohse.  Like I said, I'm not all that excited by either choice, and I would rather see more kids get auditions, but at some point, you simply lose too many innings out of a rotation.  To try and fill them all internally is just asking for problems to develop.  I haven't been all that optimistic that the Cards will be true contenders this year regardless of what happens, but if Joel is out for any significant amount of time, I think you have to consider filling his spot from outside.  Sigh.  

A couple other notes:  

Future Redbirds' newest poster, roarke49, (congrats to him on the spot, by the way) has a nice examination of several Cards' pitching prospects' innings totals.  He's going by the Verducci Rule; if you're not familiar, essentially, an increase of more than 30 innings to a pitcher's workload from one season to the next seems to increase the likelihood of injury.  Roarke explains it nicely over there, and while the rule doesn't translate exactly from major league innings to minor league ones, it's still worthwhile to pay attention to how the organisation utilises some of their valuable young commodities.  

On Wednesday, I put up a poll to gauge the opinions on who should lead off for the Cards this season.  The results are in.  

We had 348 total votes.  Of those, the top two candidates were, perhaps unsurprisingly, Colby Rasmus and Brian Barton.  Colby just edged the man with the braids for first place, with 108 votes to Barton's 106.  I like both of those candidates.  Barton would be my first choice, but the idea of our very own Grady Sizemore is awfully enticing to me.  The rest of the totals:  

Skip Schumaker came in third, with 31 votes, (8%) barely edging out...

Brendan Ryan, with 28 votes, also 8%.

Ryan Ludwick received 9 votes.  He wasn't one of my favourite choices for the leadoff spot, but I was a little surprised he didn't get more support.  

Albet got five votes.  Guess not many of us subscribe to the 'best hitter first' school of thought.  

Adam Kennedy received four ballots.  I'm not shocked he wasn't popular.  

Bringing up the rear, with one vote, is everybody's favourite shortstop, Cesar Izturis.  Also not a huge surprise.  

Vince Coleman did receive 15% of the vote, 56 total, but I don't know how much luck the Cards would have talking him out of retirement.  Now, if you were hoping for Rickey Henderson, that might be a slightly different story.  Rickey wants to play.  Rickey wants a job.  Just give Rickey a chance.  

Today's game is going to be the first one broadcast on the radio.  I listened to the one online Thursday, but it's still exciting to hop into the car, turn on the radio, and hear a ballgame.  Not too much longer, folks.  It's almost here.  

Poll
Which player stands to benefit most from the departure of Scott Spiezio?
Brendan Ryan
50 votes
D'Angelo Jimenez
3 votes
David Freese
2 votes
Joe Mather
4 votes
Jarret Hoffpauir
0 votes

59 votes | Poll has closed

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My picks
Reyes, Ryan and Barton.

by eglasier on Mar 1, 2008 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

Rickey Rickey Rickey
Yeah, sign him up. I bet he'd bat .120 with a .375 obp

by The Butcher on Mar 1, 2008 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Could be...
That line from Rickey would be superior to Kennedy's line this year

by mwinf12 on Mar 1, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes, Ryan, Barton
But do we have to pick between Reyes and Wellemeyer?

I dunno.   I'd just really like to have a starter with a hot fastball.  If Reyes can pick it up, do we care if WEllemeyer can't go much beyond 6 innings?

I certainly don't mind Skip in a backup role; good range, good defense, good arm.   But I'd love it if Barton turns out to have good OBP skills and can lead off against both righties and lefties.

Given what our year will most likely be like, I'm not interested in wasting money on more free agent pitchers.  Save the cash and use a kid.  OR 2 kids.  Or Thompson.  

by sdrone on Mar 1, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

echo that
I like your argument.  I was very much in FAVOR of the Weaver pick up two years ago, but not so sure NOW.  And others would cost too much for what we would probably get.
Basically, I think we wait to see how Clement, and then Mulder, come around.  If they both bust, THEN we think about finding another experienced rotation guy.

by the Tewk on Mar 1, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

although the outcomes
are positive, the optimism is dangerous.  if you remember, our two best-looking starters out of ST 07:  A.Reyes & K.Wells
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 1, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Colorado
picked up Wells, I heard.  Not sure if that was guaranteed or just a spring invite.

by the Tewk on Mar 1, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes, Ryan and Barton
I don't think it is a bad idea to pick up a spare starting pitcher either and my preference would be Dreamweaver.  But if, according to Boras, the bag o' cash we toss Jeffy's way must contain the customary $8 million, then I hope that Mo will say, "No thanks."  

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 1, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

this saturday
afternoon ST baseball reminds me of my childhood.  the first time i'd hear buck and shannon on KMOX... that's when you knew baseball season had officially started.  looking forward to noon.

also you misspelled the following words:
favorite, gage, utilizes, Ricky
j/k.    

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Mar 1, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Mmmm...
Rickey Henderson does spell his name with an 'e'.  

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 1, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

and...
gage is a word, but wouldn't be correct in the above text.

Could be I'm just missing the joke, though.   Thickheaded today.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 1, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes, Ryan, Barton...
I keep hoping upon hope that Ryan can play his way into starting at 2B.  

by mwinf12 on Mar 1, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

I still don't like Ryan's chances
I've heard a lot of respected reporters say that Ryan has a better chance now that Spiezio is out. But I can't see Tony keeping Ryan, Izturus, Kennedy, and Miles. He craves that power off the bench. If anything, the absence of Spiezio shows how much more valuable Ryan is than Miles. Miles and Ryan are probably equal defensively at second and third but Ryan is so much better at short. The roster decisions that Tony makes are going to be telling. I wish I had more confidence in him.

As far as the starting pitching goes, you've got Wainwright and then there is everyone else. There's not a lot of differnce between #2 and #10 on our starting pitching depth chart. Take the healthiest guys and go.

by lefty fan on Mar 1, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

I read an article
earlier this off-season (can't find it) that LaRussa has opened up to Ryan and now somewhat understands his youthful glee!

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 1, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes, Ryan...
Can we really go wrong with the 3rd option?  If it's Juan Gone that means he's back to his old form providing some power, not to mention a great comeback story.  If Barton wins out, that means we likely have a legit prospect on our hands and we can continue our youth movement.  If it's skippy, well, my fan club and I will be happy.  
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Um, anyone see this?
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Feb 29 Matsui was scratched from Friday's game from what was misdiagnosed as hemorrhoids, the Astros' official site reports.

Recommendation: Manager Cecil Cooper said that Matsui would be back in the lineup on Saturday, so this mystery ailment appears to be a short-lived one for Houston's new second baseman.
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by Hardcore Legend on Mar 1, 2008 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Reyes, Ryan, and
I hate to say it, but I'd sure like to see Juan Gone win that final spot.  He makes the Cardinal lineup look really tough, especially if he can hit 20-30 homers.  Dunc in left, Ank in center, and Juan in right would net them 75+ homers from the outfield I think -- not to mention that the backups (Ludwick, perhaps Phelps) might rake some in as well.  I'd like to see Phelps get Speezer's spot on the roster and doing some John Mabry type things for the ballclub as well.  
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 1, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

I like that thought
I'd much rather Phelps lose out than Barton.  

by birdsonthebat on Mar 1, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Juan has has my vote...
That is if he continues to hammer the ball.  I am trying to understand all the negativity around him. I'm not really concerned about the past. If the guy is doing it the right way now, he deserves a second chance. Besides, I like the idea his veteren bat mixed in with all the youngsters.
"Even on a great year you have to watch your team loose about 60 times."

by tangledbrett on Mar 1, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa...
It's the 3rd day of games in Spring Training.  Purely fastball changeup stuff...

Let's see what happens next week.  If he's still doing relatively well on 20MAR...who knows.

"The Food Channel: Porn for fat people"

by bukowski on Mar 1, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed....
There is a lot of spring left and Juan is an old man. With that said, he has made believers out of Pujols, Oquendo, and Molina. He has handled big league pitching for many years, so I doubt he is going to suddenly start whiffing when the pitchers begin throwing more pitches. My biggest worries are his health and defensive liabilities, not his ability to hit an assortment of pitches. I guess time will tell.
"Even on a great year you have to watch your team loose about 60 times."

by tangledbrett on Mar 1, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Simple
Reyes  Brendan Ryan, Brian Barton. These guys have the most potential to be helpful for the team for years to come. They've gotta start sometime.
On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 1, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

just wanted to take a moment
to express my hatred for microsoft silverlight.  Why would the mlb.tv folks decided to "upgrade" from something that worked perfectly?

Anyway, if anyone has managed to get moonlight to work with mlb.tv, I'd love to hear how.  

by SleepyCA on Mar 1, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

i've apparently broken something
now I can't even get the old version to work.  Just gives me a black box.

Oh well, don't have time to deal with it today...

by SleepyCA on Mar 1, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Black box
Double click on the black box to enlarge it to full screen and the picture should show, then you can reduce it to normal size, no longer black.  

by CardsWin on Mar 1, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry
it sucks.  have no clue why anyone would pay for it.

by sportsman on Mar 1, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Cards score two
-Ank singles, thrown out stealing
-LaRue and Schumaker Walked
-Ryan singled in LaRue
-Rasmus walked
-Ak singled in Schumaker
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Justin Miller in for Trahern
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha
I think I'm happier when Rasmus walks than when he gets a hit.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Mar 1, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

radio
I used to listen to radio broadcasts last year for free, and I cant seem to find the sight any longer.  Any ideas?
Cards fan banished to NH

by t7rick on Mar 1, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Wellemeyer
2.2 innings 1 hit, no runs, 3 walks, 1 k.

Not a bad line aside from the walks.

Thompson comes in and gets the final out in the 3rd, stranding two runners.

2-0 Cards

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

Thompson
2.1 innings, 1 hit, 0 walks, 3 Ks. Three strikeouts for Babyface!?!  Not bad.  

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 1, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

lots of groundballs too
Very impressive.  
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ankiel
going 2-2 and a BB.  (Both hits were singles) If LaRue hadn't swung and missed on the hit and run Ankiel would probably have a run scored, too.

by Molina4MVP on Mar 1, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Ottavino
sets 'em down in order with 3 groundouts.  
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

John Gall!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Gall came in as the new LF in the top of the 7th!  For Florida...

I miss him.

by Molina4MVP on Mar 1, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Marlins score 2
without getting a hit.

Ottavino walks two and Freese makes a throwing error.

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Pitching continues to look sharp
Ottavino's line (I assume he's done):
3 IP, 0 hits, 2 runs (both unearned), 2 walks, 1 K

To the 9th we go tied up at 2.  

Pagnozzi, Schumaker, Barden barring and subs.  

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Correction
Gameday was wrong.

Ottavino:

2 ip, 0 hits, 2 runs (both unearned), 2 walks, 1 K

Tyler Herron
1.1 ip, 1 hit, 1 run (unearned) no walks, no K's

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

David Freese was the goat today
2 errors that resulted in all 3 Marlins runs.  Also 0-1 with a K at the plate.

Might as well start packin your bags to Memphis now, kid.

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 1, 2008 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

poor guy
Don't think it's that serious yet, but it's crazy how one game can change how you look at a guy...  he was supposed to be quite the defensive third baseman.

I sure wish they had invited Craig up when spiezio was booted.

by SleepyCA on Mar 1, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

TJ
Everybody saw the RotoWorld sidebar on Tyler Johnson, right?

We need to start a nation-wide manhunt for the Cubs fan with the Cardinal pitcher voodoo doll.  For the love of Christmas...

"The Food Channel: Porn for fat people"

by bukowski on Mar 1, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Is it just me
or is spring training the wrong time for our pitching to peak?
Baseball, I missed you.

by effin fisk on Mar 1, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

test
is looking forward to the return of the beautiful Yadier  
Molina

by cardsfaninmass on Mar 1, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

I tell you what's beautiful about Yadier Molina
is that he's an established starter who's younger than I am (28).  As opposed to somebody trying to play their way out of AAA and older than I am...
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Mar 3, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

you guys hear marquis
demanded a trade f he doesnt get in the rotation..and pinella said let him go haha
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 2, 2008 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

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