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Super Bowl Sunday

So I decided to take a brief hiatus from the series I began last week on the division previews in light of the fact that it's Super Bowl Sunday. Since it is the 3rd most gluttonous day of the year, I'm not at all certain that there's going to be a lot of traffic today so I'll pick up the series next Sunday with a preview of the AL Central. For the same reason, LB won't be posting any results for the Tournament of Champions today; that'll resume tomorrow.

What does the Super Bowl have to do with baseball and the Cardinals? I don't really know but I thought I'd try to look into my crystal ball and see if we could predict anything about the Cardinals season this year based on the outcome of today's game.

Today's game pits two teams who've played in 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls and we are, by now, all too aware that the Patriots can claim their 4th title in the last 7 years with a win tonight. Both teams have winning records in Super Bowls - the Pats are 3-2 and the Giants are 2-1. Of course, one team will fall to .500 after tonight's game but winning as many championships as you finish 2nd is not too bad a record to have. The Cards, too, have a winning record in their Super Bowl - with a 10-7 record in World Series.

Interestingly, the Cards have had a winning record every year that the Giants have played in the Super Bowl. Mind you, I'm using the year the team has played in the Super Bowl and not the year in which that season is played. (The 2008 Super Bowl is for the 2007 season.) In each of the 3 years the Giants have played in the Super Bowl (1987, 1991, and 2001), the Cards have had a winning record, going to the World Series in 1987 and tying for the NL Central title and earning the Wild Card spot in the 2001 playoffs. In 1991, the Cards finished 84-78 and second to the Pittsburgh Pirates (it seems like forever ago when they had a decent team!). The Giants won the 1987 and 1991 Super Bowls, while getting trounced in 2001.

There seems to be a lot of correlation between the Patriots' Super Bowl fortunes and the Cards' regular season fortunes, however. (I know that correlation is not the same thing as causation, but I thought this would be a fun experiment nonetheless.) See below:

Year Super Bowl W/L Cards' record Cards' finish
2005 W 100-62 NLCS
2004 W 105-57 NL Champs
2002 W 97-65 NLCS
1997 L 73-89 4th
1986 L 79-82 3rd

Wow! Go Pats!

Even in the year the Giants lost their Super Bowl, 2001, the Cards won 93 games. Maybe the secret to a successful season isn't a resurgent Mark Mulder or Troy Glaus, or a Rookie of the Year award for Colby Rasmus. Maybe all we need to contend for the division title is for the Patriots to close out their perfect season with a victory.

In thinking about how I was going to deal w/ my Super Bowl Sunday thread, it occurred to me that the Patriots strike me as a team that is, in a lot of ways, very similar to the 2004 Cardinals. How dominant were the Cardinals that year? It seems so long ago but that was a damned good team. Let me first say that I don't know all that much about the NFL as I don't follow it that closely but the Patriots, first and foremost, are a tremendous offensive team. Tom Brady is their Pujols - the cornerstone of the offense. But like the Cards' offense of 2004, he's not the focal point of the offense (as Pujols was last year).

Just as Pujols had a lot of help from MVP top-10 finishers Rolen and Edmonds, Randy Moss has had a record-setting year at WR and were it not for the spectacular season Brady has had, Moss might've been the league MVP. Wes Welker tied for the NFL lead in receptions with 112. Are Brady, Moss, and Welker the Patriots' Pujols, Rolen, and Edmonds?

They have other offensive weapons as well from Maroney to Faulk to Gaffney to Ben Watson. Teams can't defend all of their weapons and it was very difficult to pitch through the Cards potent lineup that also included Renteria, Walker, Sanders. Hell, even Tony Womack had a career-high .349 OBP. The Cards led the league by scoring 5.28 runs per game. The Patriots' offense is the best in the NFL, averaging 36.8 pts. per game.

In 2004, the Cards' yielded only 4.07 runs per game, best in the NL. This team had very good pitching, with an ERA+ of 114, and very good defense, with a fielding efficiency of .710. The Pats' defense isn't quite as good as the Cards' as it finished 4th in the NFL, giving up only 17.1 pts. per game. Still, a team that scores 589 and gives up 274 is going to have a pretty good Pythagorean record!

The Pats' 16-0 regular season record, and 18-0 overall record is, as we all know by now, the NFL's best since the 1972 Miami Dolphins. The Cards' 105 wins in 2004 were MLB's best since the 1998 Yankees. There's little doubt that the Patriots are, to this point, the NFL's team of the decade and there's a pretty good argument to be made that the Cardinals are, to this point, at least the National League's team of the decade.

As I said, I don't know a ton about the NFL but I do know that the Giants aren't really supposed to be here. They've played well down the stretch and beat the NFC's two best teams in the playoffs but I think that most "experts" believed the Giants to be a year or two away. In a sense, they remind me a little of the 1996 Cardinals team that seemed to come out of nowhere to get to 1 win away from the World Series. That Cardinals team, of course, had the then-juggernaut Atlanta Braves on the ropes before succumbing to the Braves' pitching. The Giants have to be hoping that Todd Stottlemyre and Donovan Osborne aren't suiting up for them tonight or the 4th quarter could get ugly.

I felt in 2004, as I do now, that the Cards had a magical season and it just slipped away - into the right-field seats off the bat of Mark Bellhorn, of all people. I'm going to hope today that Patriots can do what the Cards couldn't in '04 - finish off their magical season. I know that's going to piss off a lot of you Rams' fans. Sorry about that but the Cards were, it seems to me, so close to a season that goes down in folklore as one of the best ever. The '06 postseason was magical but the regular season was largely forgettable. I still have an empty feeling from 2004, despite the championship in '06. So I'm going to pull for the Pats to shake off the Cards' 2004 demons and give their magical season the magical ending it deserves.

Plus, a Pats' win tonight guarantees a 90+ win season for the Cards in '08, right?

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The 2001 Mariners
disagree with your third to last paragraph.

(and man, oh man, do I miss 2004. That summer/fall was beyond awesome.)

Fame was like a drug, but what was even more like a drug were the drugs

by Alxfritz on Feb 3, 2008 1:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Beat me to it!
I was going to mention that, but you beat me there.  Well done.

BTW, that Mariners team was pretty damn good too.  They scored 30 more runs than the next best AL team, and 18 runs less than the A's, who were second in that category.  They had rather pedestrian players such as Dan Wilson, Al Martin, and David Bell, plus a pre-good Carlos Guillen, but made up for it with monster years from Edgar Martinez (OPS+ 160), Bret Boone (37 HR! for Bret effing BOONE?), and John Olerud (136 OPS+).  

They also had three sub-4.00 era pitchers (Garcia, Sele, Moyer) and got 75+ innings of pure filth from ourveryown Joel Piniero.  Their two setup guys (Jeff Nelson, Arthur Rhodes) were at 151 and 242 on the ERA+ scale.  Damn good team.  

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't root for the Pats
and I don't think anyone from St. Louis can either.

I'm a Redskins fan but I'm sure there are many Rams fans livid at the revelations in the past 2 days that the Patriots videotaped the Rams final walkthrough (in which they went over their redzone offense).  The NFL originally said they had no idea about this but has since backtracked and said they heard rumors earlier this year and investigated to find nothing.  Of course, when the alleged source of this info was asked whether he had been contacted by the NFL, he said not at all.

What does this have to do with baseball?  If the NFL is forced to levy heavy fines/suspensions against Bellicheat and the Patriots, I can only imagine that the ownership/management group in San Fransisco who are already feeling pressure from MLB will start moving funds to off-shore accounts. :D

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 2:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Patriots
Cannot and will not ever root for them under any circumstances. This organization has been cheating for the past 7 years and should have to forfeit all of their games and Super Bowl Trophies. Furthermore, Belicheat and any coaches involved in taping or using those tapes to cheat should be banned for life from the NFL. The players should also be subject to some sort of punishment as well. Also, the commissioner should be fired for destroying the evidence and lying about the investigation. I think it is funny that one of the cheif cover up guys in the history of the world, Arlen "magic bullet theory" Spector is the front man of this inquiry.

Unfortunately, we will get some bullshit cover-up and nothing will happen to these cheaters. Maybe they can assign George Mitchell, is he on the board of the Patriots also?

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Feb 3, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no no no
I'm rooting for the Giants on this one, If they can beat the cowboys and my Packers team, they can beat the patriots (they almost did in week 17 anyhow)

And wouldn't it just be a bitch to tease any "patriot" fan if they go 17 wins, one loss, and that one loss was the superbowl.  Completely dosn't matter if they won for 17 games straight.

I can never, ever root for a boston team in my life.  And I especially dislike "fans" of teams where the person has never even BEEN to the stadium.

"so what baseball team do you like the most?"
"oh i'm a redsox fan"
"oh, okay...how many times you been to fenway park?"
"never been"
".....why are you a red sox fan?"

EXACTLY.

(granted i like the nats but they're not my favorite team, i have a soft spot for teams from our capital)

Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Feb 3, 2008 5:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i'm with you HC
i'd like to see the pats pull it off.

by lboros on Feb 3, 2008 8:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The only thing
standing between us and complete domination by the forces of darkness and evil are Eli Manning and the New York Giants.
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar

by Big Mike on Feb 3, 2008 9:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

HC
"Wow! Go Pats!"

I don't think I can continue to contribute to a site that condones comments like that. . .appalling.

by azruavatar on Feb 3, 2008 9:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I read, quite thoroughly,
the community guidelines and didn't see anything about it.  If I have violated one of the community guidelines, I'll humbly accept any punishment you can dole out.

Just so you know -- all you Giants fans are pulling for a 70-something win season from the Cards!

by chuckb on Feb 3, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
this line might cover it.

"ditto if your behavior was so offensive that it was driving customers away from a sports bar."

Don't go azruavatar, Don't go.

by That's a Winner on Feb 3, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a 70 win season
over an eternity of darkness.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And you don't think
70 wins could take the Central?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Feb 3, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Doubt
I demand the implied constitutional VEB protection of separation of Cards and everything else. Plus the beantown endorsement makes my stomach curl and itch at a 2004 it'll never be able to scratch - you owe me a shot of pepto HC!  
Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Feb 3, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not have a dog
in this fight, so I really have no favorite to win. However I do not see the Patriots as an evil empire or pits of darkness. Instead I see a very good football team with one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL since Joe Namath. I'll make up my mind somewhere in the third quarter who I'm pulling for.

by ridgesee on Feb 3, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For me
last years superbowl was like the '04 Cards. Storied franchice with a great team going for a championship after over 20 years of trying. Da Bears broke my heart.

This years Pats team reminds me of a team from another sport, the NBA. The '96 Bulls went 72-10, as close to undefeated as there ever has been in pro basketball, and went through teams like a buzzsaw chewing up anyone in their path to the title. I hope I'm wrong but I think the only reason to watch the second half will be for the ads.

by That's a Winner on Feb 3, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last year...
Last year, the Colts reminded me of the 2006 Cardinals.  The statheads said they were awful.  They'd given up way more points than any previous super bowl champion, if I remember right.  They had a poor football equivalent of a Pythag. win percentage (426 PF/360 PA, compared to Chicago's 427 PF/255 PA).  They also had a premier offensive star and a run of success that hadn't yielded a championship yet... the clock seemed to be ticking.  

But the Colts started playing defense at the end of the season and in the playoffs....just like Suppan, Weaver, Reyes, and a young bullpen pulled it together enough to look like a real pitching staff besides Carpenter.

I felt the Colts victory last year was a kind of vindication of the Cardinals' 2006 season.

by ncgostl on Feb 3, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No causation...
but certainly the most interesting Super Bowl pre-game story I've read all week!

I "burned out" on the NFL by too much exposure to Bill Bidwill's team in my youth. While I'm happy (mostly for friends and relatives) when the Rams win, I'm pretty apathetic when they don't. Living in Jonesboro, Arkansas, I get all the Cowboys and Tennessee Titans I can eat on my TV...

Root for a New York team against a team from (more-or-less) Boston??? Is there any way they can both lose???

Oh, well, if the game gets boring, I can always pop in my World Series DVDs from the 1940s, 1960s, and 2006! (big grin!)

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Feb 3, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alls well that ends well....
There was a big fuss raised in Boston last fall  during pre-season about renamimg the Patriots so the city of Boston gets its props when the home team wins another SB on its way to becoming a dynasty (as if no one knows New England = Boston). Several fans had non-sanctioned jerseys made up to demonstrate the need for change and wore them at pre-season and Red Sox games.

With the cheating scandal about to regain new life, a massive Irish hangover and a heartbreaking loss to wake up with Mon morning, Im glad Im not wearing a "Boston Patriots" jersey right now.

If we can't be good, can we at least be lucky?

by cardschinmusic on Feb 4, 2008 6:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eeewww
As you said, correlation and causation are not the same thing.  Therefore, the Pats winning the Super Bowl will not necessarily relate to the Cardinals to have a good season this year, anymore than me burping in the next five minutes will cause peace in the Middle East.  Therefore, I cannot root for the Evil Empire that is the New England Patriots.  As bad as the Yanks are, they at least play with some semblance of respect for their opponents/the game.  The Pats have never had any of that.  I spend nights hoping that one day Brady and Moss and Bruschi and Seymour and Welker and Light and Maroney all go down in one season and Belichick gets to see what it's like to get his ass handed to him.

To be honest, Boston is a great city.  Fenway, despite being a rat-trap fire hazard, is an incredible place to go to a game at.  The atmosphere is absolutely unreal.  With all that said, I can't bring myself to cheer for any Boston team (with the possible exception of the Celtics) ever.  

Anyway, good post.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 1:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Soap Box
I am now puting away my soap box and slinking humbly back in to my living room to watch the 2006 WS DVD.  
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't
think I could care less about who wins the damn Super Bowl. Boston? New York? Evil empires both. However, if there is some tiny bit of truth to the mumbo-jumbo, I say Go Patriots! Anything, no matter how ridiculous, that may help our boys this summer is okay by me. Football just aint my cuppa joe anyway. Gotta agree with OG though--this is by far the most interesting pre-Bowl story I've read yet.

by rockin redbird on Feb 3, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't Disagree More
Houstoncardinal,

I bascially agree with Azruavator on this one.  Your pro-Patriot propoganda turns my stomach.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Feb 3, 2008 3:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Get over it!
The stuff about needing them to in order to guarantee a good season from the Cards was a joke!

by chuckb on Feb 4, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
Personally, I'm sort of hoping the whole stadium just sort of implodes, sparing us from both the further comparisons of the Manning brothers, as well as listening to a team that has been proven to be blatantly cheating referred to as the "Greatest NFL Team Ever".  

That being said, the Patriots can

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      -the Department of Human Decency

"An informed citizenry is the enemy of the despot, the zealot, and the sports columnist."

by the red baron on Feb 3, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Juan Gonzalez minor league deal
set to be signed by Cards per Newsday.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think I just
threw up in my mouth

by Harknights on Feb 3, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he teaches Albert and Yadi
to grow the Tom Sellack mustaches, then he can stay.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fun
I don't think he will make the team, but I am really curious to see if this guy has anything left in the tank. Since the outfield is pretty much set, I don't think he will take too many at bats away from guys who have a chance.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Feb 3, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Why? Why?
Do we not have enough outfielders in our minor leagues?  LET THE YOUNGSTERS PLAY!  And yet another player linked to PEDS.  Is it ever going to stop?
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Feb 3, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That sound you hear
is a collective wail from Boston.  

I can live with 70 wins after watching that 4th quarter.

by azruavatar on Feb 3, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Same here
All Hail Eli, the Conquerer of Evil.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
The Darkness has been vanquished.
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar

by Big Mike on Feb 3, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a feeling
we'd finish w/ 75-78 wins anyway. I guess tonight's game confirms it!

by chuckb on Feb 3, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And what a sweet
sound it is...  :-)  Its like the first time I heard Creedence Clearwater Revival...  
"That's baseball, and it's my game. Y'know, you take your worries to the game, and you leave 'em there. You yell like crazy for your guys." - Humphrey Bogart

by iron duke75 on Feb 3, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

odds
we had the giants all along, right?

by barry whiteteeth on Feb 3, 2008 10:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I did not.
I was rooting deep down that the Giants would win, because I think Eli Manning has gotten a bad rap.  I didn't think they would though. Honestly, I thought no way would the Patriots lose this game.

How about Bellicek leaving the field before the game was over?  Class act.  Not.  

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Feb 3, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
That seemed a little wierd to me too.  He had already shook hands with Coughlin, but he could have at least sucked it up to shake hands with the Giants players or something.  

He's a piece of work.  He's just a angry little cyborg man.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What?
THe game was over and he knew it...so did everyone else. What is going to happen in 1 second? Nothing. I would be pissed to and walk away. Give the Giants defense a hand because that is what won the game by frustrating the Pats offense and conversely Belicheck.
"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Feb 3, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just see it as part of the game.
The players stand around for the last seconds...the coaches should too.  It's showing respect for the game and the players.  In my mind, it's disrespectful.  I just think it would have been better if he stayed.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Feb 3, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No
He could have kept his pissy little ass on the sideline and shook hands with some of the Giants players.  Of course nothing was going to happen, but showing respect to your opponent, especially one that just outplayed you, is part of the game.  If you aren't on board with even acting like you give a shit about something sort-of like sportsmanship then prepare to get called out on it.  
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Addendum
...Especially with the kind of BS he's pulled in his time.  I'm talking about running up the score on people, his little pissing matches with the media, his whole Mangino drama crap, etc.  He can dish it out, but he can't seem to take it.  
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A(?) angry little cyborg man?
What the hell, me...Its only basic grammar.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SEC QB's > Big 10 QB's
:)
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Feb 3, 2008 10:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

SEC
is good football, no doubt.

But the Big Ten is a different style.  Less pro offense...

"Dude, we're running out of stadium" - said on the way to our seats in Section 428.

by bukowski on Feb 4, 2008 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Freaking wow, Steve Young
Number 8 just said that Eli Manning was like a "foundry forged in steel."

Now, I'm no steel expert, but don't you forge stuff INSIDE a foundry?  That seems like a wierd quote to me.  

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 10:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Emmitt
As a follow up to Steve Young's gem, Emmitt Smith just said "Everybody want somebody to be like somebody they love."
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 3, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the Giants did win but...
they got lucky . that last drive ...first of all Eli should have been sacked. THen the reciever catches the ball on his helmet? c'mon. I give the Giants defense all the credit for giving Eli that chance to be lucky. If anybody should have gotten the MVP of the game it should have been Strahan. The defense rocked...
"Why does he keep saying that?"

by Red Blazer on Feb 3, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

THEY got lucky?
The team with more yards and better defense got lucky?  Not the team that by the grace of God avoided 2 defeats this season, had 3 INTs dropped, had 1 INT handed to them by Steve Smith, had Eli miraculously overthrow Plaxico Burress when he was standing by himself on a scramble drill and also avoided Steve Smith catching the Hail Mary at the end of the 1st Half because he wasn't paying attention.

If the Giants were lucky, it was time someone else got a turn.

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Strahan
Maybe Tuck or Omeniyora (sp?) if someone from the D-Line, but I don't really remember hearing Strahan's name a whole lot.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Feb 3, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i had this thought but wanted to wait and see
if theyd win..they did so 2007 giants the 06 cards? now the tigers wernt quite as great as the pats but noone picekd cards or giants
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Feb 3, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I always thought of the 2006 Cards
like the 2005 (season) Steelers. That Steelers team had been an absolute juggernaut in years past, but had never won it all. That season, they were one of the weaker teams in the playoffs, and pulled off a miracle.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Feb 3, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tragically for the Giants
this game won't be remembered for their win, as you said the Steelers already played that card, but for the Patriots loss.

by azruavatar on Feb 3, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true
but i think the giants won it..bur media will say as u said loss by pats
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Feb 3, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, just wow
thats going to go down at the greatest upset in super bowl history. as a life long & die hard Cowboys fan i can't be happy the g men won. but i'm so very happy bean town has been knocked off their high horse.

i don't hold it against anyone who was pulling for one of the most evil of evil teams. it's a free country. you can do as you choose. but in all reality what they do has nothing to do with the Cardinals success here in 08. as i'm wrapping up my tour of st louis & now here in springfield. i've been by both parks a lot these last few weeks. it's very clear to me they & they alone hold the key to their success. if they pitch well, hit well & don't commit errors, they are going to have a lot more success than any one of us think. if not, well, at least we all will be expecting it. so hopefully their losses won't hurt as badly as they did in 07.  

pitchers & catchers report in 11 days. i for one, can't wait.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Feb 4, 2008 12:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

man
gotta give the giants credit, they knocked down tom brady as badly as justin timberlake got his nuts smashed into the mailbox in that superbowl commercial.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Feb 4, 2008 3:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, just noticed this
But the 07-08 Pats have another similarity to the 04 Cards...they didn't win it all.  How about that!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 4, 2008 8:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What a great f'ing Super Bowl
Justice in this world is a rare thing.  And the Cheatriots losing in an AWESOME Super Bowl after taking the lead with 3 minutes left to play...well, that is a rare treat, indeed.

Bellichick leaving before the game was officially over says all that needs to be said about his sorry, classless ass.  If his PLAYERS had to suck it up and line up on the field for the last snap with 1 second left, his pissy ass should've been on the sidelines with them.  What a piece of work.

Schadenfreude, at times, feels pretty damn sweet.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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