community projection results: anthony reyes
the cardinals have a game today ---- halle-bleepin'-lujah. applying liam's syntax lessons, i believe you ought to be able to call up the mlb gameday tracker via this link. if that's wrong, i'll correct it once the game gets going. it's also being broadcast live via gameday audio; i don't know if we'll be getting the cardinals' radio feed or the mets' feed.
before i post the results of the reyes projection, let me share an e-mail i got from the cardinal front office:
The St. Louis Cardinals would like your help in this year's Amateur Draft. Many people affiliated with the Cardinals read VEB on a regular basis and appreciate the passion for the team as well as the thoughtfulness of the postings. This is an opportunity for us to work together to find talent for the organization.
Here's how it works. The organization is looking for your help in identifying college baseball talent that might be under the radar. By that we mean college players who do not play for a D1 school. Our scouts spend many hours doing research and going to games, but every year there are young men from college programs that are off the beaten path that would make good professional baseball players but are not selected because they are overlooked.
There is also an incentive. Besides helping your favorite team and possibly making some players' dreams come true, you can win the grand prize the Cardinals are offering. For details of the contest, click on the link below. Thanks in advance for those who choose to help and please keep up the good work.
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/fan_forum/oneforthebirds_index.jsp
Sig MejdalSenior Quantitative Analyst
the cards aren't the only organization attempting to tap their fans' knowledge --- various organizations are doing that in one way shape or form. but i know of no other team that's doing it in this fashion. it should be a very interesting exercise. if any of you happen to submit an entry in this contest, send me a copy of your scouting report and i'll post it here --- sans the player's name, of course; we don't want the cubs' scouts benefiting from our hard work.
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now, on to our own exercise in fan-knowledge tapping. we got 70 individual projections for anthony reyes; here's the aggregate line, alongside the projected lines from the brand-name computer-driven forecasting systems. these are in ascending era order:| GS | IP | H | BB | SO | W | L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| b james | 20 | 109 | 102 | 35 | 93 | 6 | 6 | 3.88 | 1.257 | ||
| CHONE | -- | 147 | 141 | 52 | 114 | -- | -- | 4.22 | 1.313 | ||
| VEB | 24 | 147 | 141 | 52 | 114 | 10 | 9 | 4.43 | 1.313 | ||
| PECOTA | 18 | 116 | 114 | 43 | 83 | 6 | 7 | 4.49 | 1.357 | ||
| ZIPS | 26 | 149 | 153 | 45 | 106 | 8 | 9 | 4.65 | 1.329 | ||
| marcels | -- | 119 | 118 | 46 | 90 | 5 | 11 | 4.84 | 1.378 |
the near-identical match between our projection and CHONE's is not a typo; we truly came up with the same numbers (in all categories but era) that CHONE did. that has never happened before. can any of you math experts out there estimate the odds of such a thing happening?
pretty optimistic projections, all in all. just checking the numbers at reyes' fangraphs page (where all the projections are very helpfully gathered), the brand-name systems project reyes' strand rate (60 percent last year, among the lowest in baseball) to regress to the mean, ie up to about 70 percent --- that alone accounts for most of the expected improvement in his era. they expect minor improvements to his walk rate and k rate, with all the other rate stats staying about the same. in essence, the projection systems simply think reyes will have better luck this season. or, if you prefer, they think he will have gained a new skill, ie the ability to pitch out of jams with minimal damage.
VEB's projection follows the same pattern: we don't anticipate significant improvements in reyes' foundational skill-set --- ie, we don't see him suddenly getting more strikeouts or fewer walks. here are our projected rate stats, compared to anthony's career marks:
| IP/GS | H/9 | W/9 | K/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| career | 5.1 | 8.7 | 3.5 | 6.9 |
| VEB proj | 6.0 | 8.6 | 3.2 | 7.0 |
we think he'll go deeper into games and shave a few walks off his total, but otherwise we don't see him as dramatically altered --- except in his era, where we think he'll shave off 1.50. that's not necessarily a reflection of irrational hopes on our part; it's more a reflection, i think, of the fact that reyes has more core ability than his era suggests. i'll say again, i'm so glad mo didn't toss this guy away for some veteran stiff; it might turn out to be his best decision of the winter. reyes is a no-risk option who --- in this community's opinion --- should be about as good in 2008 as a pitcher the cards committed $13m in guaranteed money to:
| GS | IP | H | BB | SO | W | L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| VEB reyes projection | 24 | 147 | 141 | 52 | 114 | 10 | 9 | 4.43 | 1.313 | ||
| VEB pineiro projection | 27 | 169 | 181 | 51 | 110 | 11 | 10 | 4.44 | 1.373 |
i neglected to ask everyone to include a home-run total in their projection, which was dumb --- it means i can't derive a projected FIP from our numbers and check it against the projected ERA (we were very consistent in this regard in our clement and pineiro projections). however, i can run the exercise in reverse --- that is, i can calculate how many homers to add to reyes' line to create internal FIP-ERA consistency. that number is 20 --- 20 homers, or 1.2 homers per 9 innings. reyes gave up 1.3 hr/9 last season, so we're not forecasting any great leap forward there either.
the quintessential projector was brnrpp:
| GS | IP | H | BB | SO | W | L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| VEB | 24 | 147 | 141 | 52 | 114 | 10 | 9 | 4.43 | 1.313 | ||
| brnrpp | 24 | 145 | 142 | 44 | 141 | 11 | 9 | 4.55 | 1.283 |
a final note: i agree with bryan burwell's column about spiezio. i hope the guy accepts responsibility for what he did, accepts the legal consequences, and pays the penalty, and then gets his life together. i don't judge him for the mistake --- we're all sinners, we all screw up. the test for speezer will be how he responds now. ideally, we take responsibility for our mistakes, learn from them, and become better people for having made them. i hope that's how this little saga will turn out.
and i'm really glad nobody died this time.
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so how does thi work, payroll wise?
by tbell61 on Feb 28, 2008 9:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pay Him
by gonzostl on Feb 28, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should have just put him on the restricted
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
resricted list
by gonzostl on Feb 28, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If i win...
If I win I wonder if Mr. Mejdal would explain his injury risk rating system to me and how it influences free agent signings and acquistions in the Cardinal system. That would be cool!
I can't be that lucky though. I've already just won something. The box at the bottom of today's post says I'm the 999,999th visitor! I'd better hurry and click and see what I've won!
by RedbirdRay on Feb 28, 2008 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man
by arch support on Feb 28, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is forward thinking for a couple of reasons:
More importantly, however, I'm sure LB is correct -- it is trying to take advantage of a market inefficiency.
Many people think Moneyball is about OBP but it's much more than that. It's about taking advantage of areas you believe are underappreciated by the market. Due to the cost and the relatively low marginal benefit of scouting these amateur baseball leagues, there are likely to be many hidden gems. If the Cards are able to find them, w/o having to put forth the relatively high costs of finding them, they will have been able to exploit one of those untapped resources. If we can't find any, they're no worse off than they were before. This is a tremendous idea.
by chuckb on Feb 28, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinal Organization and VEB
VERY WISE MOVE on the part of the Cardinals. Not that VEB deserves an office in the executive suite but let's be appropriately and humbly honest here - VEB offers some very high quality quantitative analysis, a very divergent pool of ideas from a broad educational and geographic perspective and a definite pulse on the fans.
Why wouldn't the organization reach out to this base? If only for PR purposes, it's a great move. To me, moves like this are the modern day version of the club sending representatives all over the midwest with posters and giveaways to visit the hamlets of Mo, Ill, KY, Ark etc to say thanks and build goodwill. Smart move.
by Hinkster on Feb 28, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another point.
Wait a sec.... I'm not sure if that is a good thing.
I bet the organization was about to scream when we were KILLIN' them on the Miles signing.
by Eckstreem on Feb 28, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope Miles doesn't read El Birdos
by joker24 on Feb 28, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matheny seems even more optimistic about Reyes
"You're going to have a big year," Matheny said, clasping hands with this Cardinal. "You watch. You'll see."
The Cardinal on the other end of the handshake -- Anthony Reyes.
"There is no reason he won't have success," Matheny explained when asked about what prompted that glowing farewell. "Sometimes you just need that new face, new voice to encourage you. I've watched him. This kid can throw. He's just had a rough go of it, and sometimes you can't explain that. Most guys go through it at some point. ... He made mistakes and people capitalized on them every time. Your confidence gets down and you try to reinvent the wheel. I think he's through it and he's learned his lesson and he'll be a better pticher for it."
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Game Today
by bukowski on Feb 28, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's Mets game is on MLB.TV, not today's
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to...
2006 WS for JB and DK57 RIP: Josh Hancock
by cardsfan84 on Feb 28, 2008 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
re: radio stream
RE scouting for the cards: Why not give us the score card the scouts use? We can come up with a community score card if needed I'll even provide a free sharepoint for the document collaboration.
by rocKStark5 on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Speez
In fact I like him more than Miles, Kennedy, and Cesar as well.
by mwinf12 on Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have the Gameday Link?
by Carps on Feb 28, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The audio link is down on mlb.com
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GamedayAudio
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 28, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed Gameday Link
http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_02_28_nynmlb_slnmlb_1
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anthony seems to be off to a rousing start
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
reyes v reyes
four pitches to get out of the first inning....do the mets have somewhere to be this evening?
by Neth on Feb 28, 2008 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Um, they don't do the pitch by pitch
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony has really taken
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FIP and GB% unimpressive so far for Anthony
Reyes has no strikeouts.
However, he has given up only one hit and no walks.
His FIP is "meh", despite the fact he has not given up a run.
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 hits in 2 IP, no walks
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sample size
by cdb on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards 1, Mets 0
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards 3, Mets 0 after 2 innings
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy's 1st RBI since ST of last year!
by Eckstreem on Feb 28, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes has confused me the last several years
I wanted to be really optimistic in my projection but fool me once shame on you, fool me 2 or 3 dozen times and I might catch on.
by azruavatar on Feb 28, 2008 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Reyes
That would explain why he's gotten worse over the years.
His recent velocity drops also point to shoulder problems.
by thepainguy on Feb 28, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Explain
Not everything is injury-related.
by Jhusk on Feb 28, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But why just the majors though?
Last year he wasn't as good as 2006, where he only walked 11 in 84 innings, but 11 in 40 innings isn't terrible, about on par with his 2005 rate
by DiscoJer on Feb 28, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Players DO often have trouble adjusting to the
Hopefully, he gets things sorted out.
by Valatan on Feb 28, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
spring training
by SprfldCards on Feb 28, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another one bites the dust
by azruavatar on Feb 28, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goold calls it shoulder stiffness
by azruavatar on Feb 28, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If another pitcher goes on the DL
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too bad
by Neth on Feb 28, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We must be lighting Maine up in the 2nd
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
was gonna say the same thing...
by longhornscardinals on Feb 28, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the lack of updates
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 28, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We scored!
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to have a conversation with you
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He provides nothing
Ankiel
Duncan
Rasmus
Pinch-hitting OF:
Ludwick
Gonzalez
Barton
Power-hitting OF:
Ankiel
Duncan
Ludwick
Gonzalez
Defensive OF:
Ankiel
Ludwick
Barton
Rasmus
He is 4th or 5th on almost every depth chart I could think of, yet he starts today instead of Rasmus or Barton (who both started yesterday). If he makes the team over either one of them, TLR needs his head examined.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a better major league average
He has above average speed and even his 9 homers last year.
Are you the same guy that hated on his all last year even though he hit 333?
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate him
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Average?
"Has done nothing but hit" is absolutely wrong.
He's going to be 28 and carried a .730 OPS through 7 season in the minors. His major league numbers weren't that great last year compared to outfielders and his BABIP was .363...lucky.
If there's one thing we do know about Skippy, it's that he CAN'T hit!
by RedbirdRay on Feb 29, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is "Skippy"
by ridgesee on Feb 28, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine either
by ridgesee on Feb 28, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Valatan on Feb 28, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It just worries me to see
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No lefties
I know we have three LH outfielders, but Ankiel and Duncan most likely start and Rasmus should be also if and when he is up.
I could buy not needing him at PH it if we start Ryan over Izturis or Kennedy, giving us 2 lefties with Miles on the bench.
I also don't know about rating Ludwick ahead of Skippy on defense - or Barton for that matter. Beyond the fact Barton is faster how do you come to decide that?
by enoscountry on Feb 28, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Purely anecdotal
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try....
by FunkeeC on Feb 28, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Gameday
Gawd, we are an ugly offensive team.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are up 3-0.
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes allows no baserunners in the third
no hits
no walks
one ground out
one fly out
3IP
2 H, both singles
1 K
0 BB
Not bad.
by CardsWin on Feb 28, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes 3 up 3 down
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Duncan keeps notes of current Cards
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
12 pitches in 3 innings?
I mean, that's not even a work-out.
by Titus Pullo on Feb 28, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus a three pitch strike-out
The Mets are obviously up there hacking. Still, a good outing is a good outing.
by Titus Pullo on Feb 28, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No pitch count
by StLHugo on Feb 28, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He threw a total of 30 pitches, 23 for strikes.
by jillsinmo on Feb 28, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Castellano's part to be played by
by bobeans on Feb 28, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good job Anthony!
Duncan drew a walk.. also a good sign.
Hugo Castellanos in now.
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
by cardzfanbub on Feb 28, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was good in spring training last year, too
by DiscoJer on Feb 28, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sense a trend
We're all in SP mode, I suppose.
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wonder how Mo
by Zoop on Feb 28, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he takes them as they are intended.....
by jillsinmo on Feb 28, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good idea by the cardinals,
by ortic jones on Feb 28, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2 perfect innings for Castellanos.
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pujols gets an error on that
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That explains it
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Mets afraid of Chris Duncan
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is it weird that our backups are more talented
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Skip
; )
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy to see our youngin's take walks
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles FTW!
I thought they released him?!?!
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's an upside down world
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 28, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've come to the conclusion that the Mets
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, they're trying
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 28, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fukodome's First AB
- tell me that's not an intentional "this ain't no Japan leagues buddy"
by enoscountry on Feb 28, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its
by beanocook on Feb 28, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Still - I'm sure there was no love loss.
by enoscountry on Feb 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
glaus
and yeah the walks are nice. the 9-hole seems to be K central today.
by Neth on Feb 28, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
by indakind on Feb 28, 2008 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's game is on SNY
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great pitching all the way around
Same time, same place tomorrow. Who's starting on the hill?
by stltrav09 on Feb 28, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give some odds...
...that this isn't going to end well.
by bukowski on Feb 28, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so hell be due for surgery
by punchinjudy on Feb 28, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you know THATS gonna hurt
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 28, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty optimistic
by gonzostl on Feb 28, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be submitting a few players
Don't worry, I'm not submitting myself, haha.
by mojowo11 on Feb 28, 2008 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm rounding up a group of VEB'ers
Whose with me?
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did you hear about the midget bandits?
by punchinjudy on Feb 28, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mojowo11
by ICbirdfan on Feb 28, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no biggie!
by ICbirdfan on Feb 28, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact.....
by jillsinmo on Feb 28, 2008 7:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone on here get SNY?
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
VEB Techies
by punchinjudy on Feb 28, 2008 10:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how about this
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by dontEATnachos on Feb 28, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not showing
by punchinjudy on Feb 28, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by dontEATnachos on Feb 29, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait
Can't wait to see what Azru has to say about them today. Then again, it will probably be a little depressing.
by RedbirdRay on Feb 29, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs



















