Who's Up First?
Back on the 9th of January, I asked everyone to project a couple of Spring Surprises. I went with Jason Motte as a pitcher, and Travis Mitchell as a position player. In hindsight, the Travis Mitchell pick was probably me trying to be a little too clever. I think he could very well take a good step forward this year, but I don't think he's going to make much noise in camp. A kid as far from the majors as he is really has to do something spectacular to get noticed. Oh well.
So far, Motte is looking like an okay but not great pick. He's gotten a couple of nice mentions here and there, and apparently Carpenter is taking an interest in him, counseling him on the need for command. I really like that Carp seems to be looking out for the kid, giving him the benefit of someone who's been there, the young turk with the golden arm. Hopefully, Motte won't have to go through quite the struggles Carp did to be successful. Also, a quick tip, Mr. Carpenter. There's this other kid in camp, I believe his name's Perez, something like that? He could totally use some advice on throwing strikes. Just head on over there when you're done with Jason.
So far, the biggest accolades are being ladled on Clayton Mortenson, he of the sinker that makes Duncan say Whoo, Kyle McClellan, local boy made good, and the Iron Bill, Anthony Reyes. Looking back, no one picked Reyes, although a couple of people did say they hoped it would be him, but doubted it.
Poster Jackson has got it so far; he was the only poster I saw that singled out Mortenson. Nice call, Jackson. I was actually a little surprised, looking back, that he wasn't a more common call. I liked him over the offseason, but I was still a little doubtful. Count me in as fully on the bandwagon now. Congrats again to Jackson for a really nice pull.
McClellan had a few supporters. Cariocacardinal, Hinkster, and Hungry Jack all pulled McClellan's name out of the hat. Kudos to all three for excellent prescience.
Chinmusic agreed with me on Motte, and also threw out Garcia's name. Garcia has looked good so far; more importantly, he's looked healthy, and that's great news. Good call, Chinmusic.
I know it's still much too early to make a definitive judgement on how good of a spring players really had, but I just wanted to check back and see who's looking smart so far.
To this point, there aren't really any hitters that have jumped out from the pack. Considering they start later and are harder to judge until actual games start, I'm not surprised we're not hearing a whole lot of singling out yet. Ankiel has apparently looked good, and Rasmus hit the dinger yesterday, but that's really about it. I'll look again in a week or two and see how we're all doing. Congrats to all who look brilliant so far, and those who don't, hey, we got time.
There's been some discussion lately about who's going to lead off for the Cards this year, and I wanted to get some thoughts on it. No one player really jumps out and screams at you; several guys have arguments to be made for them, but each also has some deficiencies.
Yesterday or the day before, I heard on the radio, during an interview with LaRussa, a quick discussion of the topic. He basically ruled out Albert, Yadi, Duncan, probably Ankiel, and the pitcher. Beyond that, whoever can get on base is probably going to be the guy, according to the manager. (By the way, I think it was the first time I've ever actually heard Tony use the words On Base Percentage. I nearly ran off the road in shock and excitement.)
When it comes to the leadoff spot, I'm actually a little bit of a traditionalist. I'm a sucker for speed, having grown up rooting for the Whitey Herzog Runnin' Redbirds of the 80s. That being said, obviously, on base ability is probably the most important consideration for a top of the lineup hitter. So who have we got?
Barton, to me, looks like the perfect candidate. Excellent on base skills, plus speed, enough power to at least keep a pitcher a little honest, pretty much everything you look for. Unfortunately, in addition to the lack of major league experience, there is now a bit of concern about the health of his surgically repaired knee, so he's obviously a question mark at the moment. He was my preference, but now that's a bit up in the air.
A guy like Schumaker? He's got some speed, his plate discipline, while not great, improved some last year, particularly late in the season. He profiles at the top or the bottom, as he just doesn't have a whole lot of power. Not a bad choice.
What about Ludwick? He's not a traditional leadoff hitter, but he has some attractive points. Especially if you belong to the school of belief that you simply put a good hitter in the top spot, without considering the type of hitter he is, Lud the Stud might be pretty good. Again, his plate discipline improved later in the year, his speed is a tick above average. What he does offer is a little extra pop in the #1 spot. Remember, Tony once used Bo Jackson to lead off in the All Star Game for that reason; he wanted someone who could do some damage up there.
Kennedy? Izturis? Neither one is a real attractive option; both are pretty rough offensively. Kennedy has a track record of being a pretty solid hitter, and maybe his knee problems last year affected his performance more than we knew. Izturis, by most accounts, is a very bad hitter. He does have some speed, though, which could maybe profile him in a table setter role. Of course, his .290 OBP sort of hurts his chances to utilise that speed.
Brendan Ryan, if he's on the team, makes an intriguing choice. Nice speed, a little pop, (more of the gap variety, not so much over the fence) again, his on base skills aren't so great.
Of course, by some models, you should just put you absolute best hitter in the leadoff spot, in order to maximize his ABs. Tony did rule out Albert, but what the hell? If you think that's the ticket, go for it.
I think that's about all the guys that make sense. I'm really interested to get everyone's thoughts on this. Do you like the speedy, old school guys, or do you just want someone to get on base? Power? No power? Personally, I'm not a fan of having power hitters in front of Pujols, including the no. 2 spot. I want all the bombers behind him, so the pitcher is forced to decide between Pujols or the other three home run hitters behind him. I guess, given that Barton is such a question mark at the moment, I like a guy like Skippy. I don't trust Kennedy or Izturis to get on base at all, and I don't want to see Ludwick's power wasted ahead of the bombers. Little thin on the choices, I have to say.
One last thing: In yesterday's Bird Land entry, Goold includes a bit about the possible role of Colby Rasmus on this team.
"If Colby can help us win and at the end of the year have 250 at-bats, and somebody would argue that it would be better for him to have 500, there's a hell of a chance he'll be with us if he can give us a better chance to win," LaRussa said. "If he gives us the same chance to win and he gets 250, then you send him to the minor leagues."
This is just the sort of thing that really worries me. The organisation, despite what they've said about being competitive, really needs to take the long view here. If Colby needs more time in the minors, that's where he should be. Period. If he's ready to be here, then he should be starting, taking over the role that was reserved for him when Edmonds moved on to San Diego. I'm not sure what the circumstances would be, exactly, in which Rasmus would be good enough to make the team better, but not good enough to start, and I desperately don't want to find out. This sort of short sightedness is exactly what worries me so much about LaRussa these days. This kid is a future cornerstone player. I realise that no one player is ever more important than the team, but if the team is serious about building this thing right, you have to make sure the foundation is sound. Don't bring up a kid with this kind of future to sit on the bench. Please, Tony, I'm begging you. Look, see? I'm begging you.
With all of that in mind, I'm changing my above vote. I want Colby Rasmus leading off, Opening Day and every day. C'mon kid, make it happen. Whatever you do, just don't end up in the grey area. For your sake, and ours.
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Ludwick for Leadoff:
by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 27, 2008 8:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree
A platoon with Brendan Ryan leading off against lefties might make sense too. He put up a .400+ OBP last season against them- small sample size but a bit eye-opening.
by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan
by StLHugo on Feb 27, 2008 8:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
My philosophy is - don't bring them up when they're already excellent major leaguers - then you've wasted time. Bring them up when they're on the cusp of being a major leaguer and get every ounce of value out of them. Superstars don't last long, so get everything you can out of them.
by jomfa on Feb 27, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
by joker24 on Feb 27, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat
He also had 600 less minor league ABs than Colby has had due to a couple years in college (where he didn't get as many ABs)
by RedbirdRay on Feb 27, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might share your concern
My vote is for Barton, but I'm worried. Not just by the knee problem, but the fact that the guy has been almost completely overlooked by all the writers who aren't posting on VEB. If the P-D guys are treating him like an afterthought, I'm thinking that maybe he IS an afterthought in the Cards' minds as well.
Lud's stellar .319 career OBP doesn't scream leadoff hitter to me. Of course, he's picked it up a notch since joining the Cardinals, FWIW.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2008 9:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Barton's knee...
I'm pulling for the kid to make the team, but mostly hoping not to have to sell him back to Cleveland.
by cardzfanbub on Feb 27, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having him on the field, now,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re Barton's Knee
The procedure he had, a lateral release, is a fairly radical procedure to alleviate problems with the kneecap not tracking properly as the femus head moves beneath it. This causes a grinding of the bone surface on the adjacent cartilage. I have had this, and the pain can be debilitating.
Two things to be concerned about:
- The procedue may alleviate the tracking problem, but once the damage to the articulating surface of the joint is done, there is little that can be done to reverse it. Barton may very likely face consistent pain and inflammation in his knee.
- Barton had this condition at such a young age. This problem is typically due to overuse and too many "straight line" movements and not enough lateral movements, which causes an imbalance in the muscles that stabilize the femur when the knee is engaged (in running, squatting, etc.). It's not uncommon for older athletes and gym rats to get this, but a 24 year-old with it is unusual. I don't think it bodes well for him.
by Hungry Jack on Feb 27, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OFF TOPIC
Does anyone know what the web address will be for the MLB Gameday applet today? I know that they use a different address that's not linked on the main website because they're not necessarily officially keeping track of everything... but I'm skipping my last class today so I can listen to today's game on the gameday radio.
If anyone knows where we may find the Gameday applet, share the wealth!
by mynameistyler on Feb 27, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A couple links
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_02_27_stlmlb_slumlb_1&brand=mlb
Right now the link says unavailable, but it doesn't give an error message like it does if you insert another teams code like "flamlb" or something else. Try fooling around with the "slumlb" code if nothing else.
Gameday audio might post a link to the gameday box score or you could also check out SLU's page.
by enoscountry on Feb 27, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not gonna work
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_02_27_slubbc_stlmlb_1&brand=mlb
SLU isn't an mlb team, so the slumlb code definitely won't work. Hopefully SLU's website will have the fancy NCAA game tracker app working. I'll be working out of the office when the game starts, but will check things out at 1.
by liam on Feb 27, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is a listen live link on the Cards website
It's Bob Ramsey and Mike Clayborne....
Currently 6-2 Cards...Mather just narrowly missed a grand slam into the wind
by giveml on Feb 27, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney doesn't know Cardinals exist!
and left out the Cards both times. Brilliant.
by sdrone on Feb 27, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Turn on SD* first, then read.
Now turn off SD* and return to your regularly scheduled thread.
(* - sarcasm detector)
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 27, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Olney is probably justified in dissing the Cards
by giveml on Feb 27, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
by saladdays on Feb 27, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My spring suprise
"I'm not to big on John Edwards, a 58 year old OF, although he doesn't look that old in the debates. I guess he will have more time to work on his game after the primarys."
Has he made it to camp yet? Is he boring everyone with his plan for universal health care yet? Has he told Juan Gone and Ron Villone how he would save social security? They should be interested since they'll be signing up for it fairly soon.
As for a lead off hitter I like Ryan for two reasons. First his skill set seem like a fit, second it means either Kennedy or Izturis is on the bench. Win win if you ask me. But I had to vote for Coleman on the poll, bet at his age he could still steal fourty.
by That's a Winner on Feb 27, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Totally missed Vince.
by lordsummer on Feb 27, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kinda related topic
I especially enjoyed #5, #6, and #8...
by fourstick on Feb 27, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice list
I always liked the line "We think he's poised to have a breakout year"
Translation: "This guy is a chronic underachiever whom we are counting on for more than he has ever done in his entire lifetime."
All the guys he listed may be in the best shape of their lives but how many trained with a SWAT team member?
by That's a Winner on Feb 27, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney/Eric E.
I just listen to Buster Olney &
Eric (whatever his last name is) on ESPN radio. They did a break down of each division in baseball
along with the Vegas odds. They did the National League Central last. I don't know if they did it by accident, but they didn't even mention the Cards. They were going in alphabetical order,so I was anticipating the Cards being mentioned last. To no avail, no mention at all! I hope the team had the radio on full blast at camp. Certainly a motivator?? Let's hope so!!!
by CliffNotes on Feb 27, 2008 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eric Kuselias
by _pistol_ on Feb 27, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is Kuselias
Anyway, these "experts" can say whatever the hell they want; doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. And in that vain, I accept what these people say as if someone is telling me the Earth is flat.
by cardsrul on Feb 27, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's actually believing them?
by saladdays on Feb 27, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
over/under on cards win totals
so i looked it up myself....
vegas has the cards over/under win total at 77.
it pains me to say it (it really does), but i have to take the under. i just don't think pujo plays the whole season.
by busch league on Feb 27, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that sounds about right...
by tbell61 on Feb 27, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm very tempted by that
by SleepyCA on Feb 27, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
by plh903 on Feb 27, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Leading off
Rasmus
Ankiel
Pujols
Duncan
Glaus
Yadi
Kennedy
Izturis
Pitcher
To me, Ankiel and Duncan are interchangable there, but one of them WILL be hitting ahead of Pujols -- TLR is a huge fan of having a power hitter in the 2-hole. Maybe Ludwick plays some but given his reverse split, I don't see him as a great platoon player for Duncan. That lineup, when healthy, would finish in the top half of the NL in scoring runs, even with the shitfest in the last four spots.
If Colby doesn't make the team, I think it has to be a toss up among Barton, Schu, and Ludwick. The lineup only should change at the top, and I could see a platoon out there. I think you take whoever plays the best of that group in ST and see what he has to offer. Of that group, I would hope that Barton is the guy because he has the greatest upside, speed, and is a natural CF.
by fourstick on Feb 27, 2008 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Audio and Gametracker
2-1 Cards on a bomb by Barton per the SLU site.
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boggs faces 7 batters in the first
by azruavatar on Feb 27, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you getting updates?
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Audio working now
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as is Gametracker!
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 for 2
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 27, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"scorched single"
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
throwing
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2008_02_27_slbbbc_slnmlb_1&refresh=90
by DCGreg on Feb 27, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded no outs
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know
by cardsrul on Feb 27, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PJ Walters sighting
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 27, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anderson a 2-RBI opposite field Single
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 27, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Glaus
Just an interesting thought.
I think it's more likely to be a rotation of Ludwick, Schumaker, and Kennedy (assuming Barton starts the year on the DL).
by fpslackers on Feb 27, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Way to go Marte
Is that story about the shark true on futureredbirds.com or not?
by enoscountry on Feb 27, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Spiezio
by The Butcher on Feb 27, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 27, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez...
by birdjam on Feb 27, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count on it
He obviously has some issues but it's hard to feel sorry for him when he repeatedly makes mistakes like this.
Cut him loose. He obviously has some things to work out and doesn't need baseball. Cards don't need this baggage either.
by stltrav09 on Feb 27, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You wish is the Cards command
by saladdays on Feb 27, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Is it unfair to wonder whether alcohol is to the '00s Cards as cocaine was to the '80s Birds?
by Youneverknow on Feb 27, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
senor reyes
mo's confidence in him will pay off. this year starts ironbill's return to form. maybe.
by redbirds6 on Feb 27, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
box score
ummmmm.....
is that right? tlr had carp pinch hit and play first in a spring traing/exhibition game against st. louis univeristy?
please tell me either that i'm reading this wrong or there's a mistake on the box score.
anyone? anyone???
by busch league on Feb 27, 2008 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
D Carpentar
by StLHugo on Feb 27, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i guess being a catcher he can play 1B too, kinda like yadi occasionally does
by cardwash on Feb 27, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
back to the future
by sportsman on Feb 27, 2008 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cut Skippy
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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