the state of the slate
i took my first serious look at the cardinals' schedule this morning. it's forgiving early on: 21 of their first 29 games come against teams that finished below .500 last year and project to be terrible again in 2008. the cards went 41-34 (.547) against sub-.500 teams in 2007; their april slate includes 13 games against san francisco and houston, 3 against washington, and 2 against pittsburgh. better yet, 12 of those 21 easy april games are in st louis. the cards went 22-15 (.595). against sub-.500 teams at home last season. they could very well be a few games over .500 --- 16-13 or something like that --- as of may 1.
then the opposition stiffens considerably. they open may with a 3-game home set vs the cubs, then go on an 8-game road trip to colorado and milwaukee; a 6-game trip to san diego and los angeles looms later in the month. and on june 20 they begin a brutal stretch that will last most of two months. from that day through august 10, they will play 40 of 46 games against teams that had winning records in 2007 --- and most of those teams have gotten better over the winter. (the cards went 37-50, .426 against winning teams last year, in case you were wondering.) that segment includes 6 games against two of the best american league teams (boston and detroit); 10 games against the best of the nl central (cubs and brewers); 17 games against the best of the nl east (mets, phillies, braves); and 7 games against the padres and dodgers. the only good nl teams they won't play in that stretch are the rockies and dbacks; they finish with the rockies may 8, and all their games with dbacks happen after september 1.
jim edmonds' only trip to st louis takes place july 17-20, by the way. so taguchi's team comes to town august 1-3. and dan haren will probably get a start during the dbacks' lone visit to st louis this year, a 4-game set in the last week of the season (sept 22-25).
monday-morning filler:
- mlb.tv will be televising the cards' 2d game of the spring, this friday vs the mets. wainwright's scheduled to start; game time is at 12:10 p.m. central standard.
- over the weekend at Not a Golfer, matthew leach took a stab at projecting the opening-day roster. juan gonzalez and aaron miles were on it; brendan ryan and brian barton weren't. leach emphasizes that that he's only projecting who will be on the roster, not who he thinks should be on it; also that it's ridiculously early and a lot could still change. but leach sees every workout and talks to the manager every day; he has a sense of who's in favor, who's being watched closely, &c &c. i take his forecast as a gauge of which players have the greatest benefit of the doubt heading into the grapefruit league schedule --- the roster that tony / dave would regard as a best-case scenario. take a look at that roster and see what you think. how many games does it win in '08? how much future-year potential does it possess?
- the news that la russa lobbied for barry bonds doesn't give comfort. am i the only cynic who thinks the juan gonzalez signing is not unrelated to the bonds thing? kinda like: "you wanted an old, no-field, steroid-tainted ex-mvp? well, here he is!" only differences being, a) bonds can still hit, and b) bonds costs lotsa moolah. just so i'm not misunderstood --- i am not saying the cards should have signed barry bonds. my position is that the perfect number of old, no-field, steroid-tainted ex-mvps for this roster would be zero.
- scott rolen speaks: to ken rosenthal and the philadelphia inquirer.
- per a quick-n-dirty by the Hardball Times' chris jaffe, the cards got a little unlucky in the longball department last year --- hit way fewer than their fair share of juuuuust-made-it home runs. pujols in particular is due for a few cheapies, according to this article.
- Future Redbirds had 11 questions for BP's kevin goldstein about his list of the top 11 st louis prospects.
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June 20th begins a difficult stretch
by jomfa on Feb 25, 2008 8:38 AM EST 0 recs
Could schedule help in games vs. Cubs?
This may be a long shot, but Pedro Martinez was great last September when he returned from his injury, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Carp could take on the role of #1 starter again after his return. Hope springs eternal in the spring....
Of course, all this could be a moot point with respect to the NL championship if it means that the Cardinals finish "only" 12 games behind the Cubs instead of 15 games behind....
by CardsWin on
Feb 25, 2008 1:26 PM EST
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Bonds
My only regret with JMo's response is, as Larry stated, the Juan Gone thing. One can reasonably assume JMo tried to make nice with Tony and brought him a washed up vet treat after the scolding. It takes organizational discipline to stay with the chosen course of action: build from within. If Juan Gone makes the 25 man roster and steals a spot from a younger player, that is not building from within.
by jjray on Feb 25, 2008 8:48 AM EST 0 recs
Funny I was angry
Having one of the best hitters in baseball for one year would help the team win now and wouldn't hurt the future.
by Harknights on
Feb 25, 2008 9:00 AM EST
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Signing Bonds would be insane
a) Barry Bonds is under federal indictment. Think about that. So much flows from this. First, there is the PR problem of having on your team not only a guy who abused PEDs but also a grand jury found sufficient evidence of criminal activity to return an indictment. There is no guaranty the trial would not occur during the season. You can ask for a continuance but no guaranty it will be granted. The guy has to be distracted preparing for a criminal trial of this magnitude.
b) Barry Bonds circa 2008 is no longer one of the best hitters in baseball over the course of an entire season. How effective will Bonds be off the juice be at age 43-44? If not in trial, he'll be on the DL for much of the season. He can longer play the field. If he played at all, he has to be in the American League.
c) This current Cardinal team isn't going to be playing deep into October. We don't have the pitching, Albert is playing with a frayed ligament in the elbow that will limit him and might not last the season.
All the outfield roster spots should be reserved for young players with upside.
by jjray on
Feb 25, 2008 10:37 AM EST
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Bonds isn't the only one who could be
Also, last year Bonds still had like a .480 OBP. Why would you not like that?
by saladdays on
Feb 25, 2008 10:58 AM EST
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Well
b) This is categorically wrong. He had a .480 OBP last season. The clever thing to do is quote all his intentional walks but even if he received only half or a quarter of those in 2008 his OBP would be north of .400. This is a classic case of focusing on what he can't do (play 160 games) while missing what he can do (be the best or second best hitter on the team for 100+ games). He can still play the field. He played the field last season. Another myth that gets perpetuated. He's not good in the field but we're trotting out Chris Duncan in LF and the difference between those two is minimal.
c) Bonds would be a 2-3 win upgrade over anyone currently in the outfield. The Cardinals have repeatedly said they want to field the best team possible. Barry Bonds in LF is part of the best team they can field. I don't think they're headed to October either but Bonds would go a long way toward making them contenders.
The most convincing rationale against him, imo, is that as a Type A Free Agent who was offered arbitration, IIRC, he would cost our Round 2 draft pick.
by azruavatar on
Feb 25, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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I'm not disagreeing...
by cardzfanbub on
Feb 25, 2008 11:29 AM EST
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I can't remember and wasn't able to look
by azruavatar on
Feb 25, 2008 11:31 AM EST
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Bonds
75(runs), 94 (hits), 14 (2B), 0 (3B), 28 (HR), 66 (RBIs). That's not elite. His production is no longer in the top 50 and it's going to be worse this season, I suspect substantially worse.
by jjray on
Feb 25, 2008 3:14 PM EST
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But I think you are missing the point
So if you knew that Bonds' trial wouldn't happen until AFTER this season, why WOULDN'T you want him on your team? Its obvious he can still play.
by Ray Lankford on
Feb 25, 2008 3:58 PM EST
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Look @ counting stats
I don't think anyone would expect him to be a full time player.
I would take a .480 OBP for half a season. No question.
by Harknights on
Feb 25, 2008 4:00 PM EST
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Maybe you missed this part
by azruavatar on
Feb 25, 2008 5:57 PM EST
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bond's value
Can he play 100 games? With injuries and trials? Doubt it. Then factor in that he has to be removed for defensive reasons late in games because he covers as much ground as grandmother right now ... and she's dead. Then remember that playing Bonds means you have to sit Chris Duncan. Absolutely no way to play both Bonds and Duncan in the same outfield.
You can't ignore that he can play only 100 games because there are opportunity costs to putting Bonds on the 25 man roster. It very well may mean Barton doesn't make the team. And then there is the huge chunk of change it costs the team to get him for those 100 games.
We'll see what happens with Bonds in 2008 and then we can revisit this debate. I think Bonds will regress in a substantial way in 2008.
by jjray on
Feb 25, 2008 6:37 PM EST
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However
It would be a nice problem to have. Who do we play today Duncan or Bonds?
Wouldn't it be nice to have Bonds pass on some plate control ideas with the younger hitters?
by Harknights on
Feb 25, 2008 8:49 PM EST
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hold on
by sportsman on
Feb 25, 2008 11:24 PM EST
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Interesting
by BKKCard on
Feb 25, 2008 9:46 AM EST
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ditto
each party stuck to their specfic role. tlr's approach was 'what can barry do on the field?' while mozeliak had to think about the front office problems and financial risks involved.
what mildly irritates me is the inability to fully commit to the youth movement, but it isn't surprising. tony has is an older mgr with a 2-yr contract. he doesn't have time to think long-term. moz is caught in the same bind that jocketty was... pressure and opportunity to spend money (new ball park and fan pressure to be competitive)... but the problem is where to spend the money. the free-agent market is rather unimpressive and the grass looks much greener next year.
by _pistol_ on
Feb 25, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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NOBODY's signing Bonds...
As others noted, Gonzales was touted by Oquendo, Molina, and Pujols... I think it more likely that he takes Schumaker's or Ludwick's spot, unless Barton tanks this spring.
Tony's always going to try to squeeze as many wins out of whatever roster he's given; that makes him a Hall Of Fame manager.
I'm happier to hear positive quotes from Dave Duncan about Reyes than anything else this early in ST...
by The Ol Goaler on
Feb 25, 2008 11:09 AM EST
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Why is no one going to get Bonds?
And frankly, I don't believe what you say about a team not wanting to sign him because of Selig.
by saladdays on
Feb 25, 2008 11:36 AM EST
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Why should we care
by houstoncardinal on
Feb 25, 2008 3:11 PM EST
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If Bonds could be had for less than Alou
And if they are going for the youth movement, he may block someone not currently on the roster but because of his need for days off, he won't really be blocking anyone as far as playing time. They will get their ABs in LF when he sits, which is every 3rd day or 2 out of every 5.
He can still hit. He's an asshole with a ton of baggage but he can still hit. We've already got 5 'caught' steroids/HGH users in camp, can we really sit on our high horse about Lamar?
by Hardcore Legend on
Feb 25, 2008 11:31 AM EST
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I can see both sides...
Got to remember that the average fan doesn't read VEB or gets titillated by acronyms such as VORP, OPS+, etc. They pay their money to go to the ballpark and watch the local nine. I don't think they'd pay money just to see Bonds - there is no empathy or sympathy anywhere for the guy, and while still a great hitter, he's a dick. When you add the risk of people not coming through the turnstiles because Bonds in on the team to his baggage and the financial risk of signing him - plus he's a huge injury risk, it just doesn't make sense.
by bukowski on
Feb 25, 2008 5:44 PM EST
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cardinal nation
I agree the term "___ Nation" is stupid.
by ICbirdfan on
Feb 25, 2008 5:53 PM EST
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Barrys body will need bondo...
The best reason to pick up Bonds would be so we could listen to the unending discussions and myriad comments about his pending trial before, during and after every at bat and before and after every game. That would make the long, hard season ahead special and cheery, now would'nt it.
Or maybe he and Jaun can battle it out for left field on the Eddie Perez Retirement Villa softball team after they tear a muscle.
by cardschinmusic on
Feb 26, 2008 5:45 AM EST
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Barton
Ryan and Hoff will start the year as the MI in Memphis and I am ok with that. They can play every day, and be ready to be called.
I still am regretting the whole Scottie situation. I really feel that this year is going to be a come back year for him. I hope he stays healthy.
I supported Tony's return, but now I am seriously questioning it. Hopefully the Cards get off to a go start and build some Mo. I am still optimistic...slightly.
by nybirdfan on Feb 25, 2008 9:05 AM EST 0 recs
If Juan makes the team
Even if Juan can play (highly doubtful) it still doesn't make sense. The future is w/ the young guys and not people like Juan Gonzalez, for Christ's sake!
by houstoncardinal on
Feb 25, 2008 10:16 AM EST
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Barton could provide years of low-cost excellence
by CardsWin on
Feb 25, 2008 1:31 PM EST
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overrated?
*yes, i know TLR doesnt always have honest competitions
by dmb60614 on
Feb 25, 2008 1:49 PM EST
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I agree
I can't honestly believe that he has a chance in hell of making this team, particularly at the expense of someone w/ the upside of Barton and it's inexcusable if Mozeliak allows LaRussa to make that happen.
by houstoncardinal on
Feb 25, 2008 3:14 PM EST
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I agree
If Jaun Gone has a spring that suprises us and he earns a spot on the squad. I hope that Barton stays with the club. This means that room will have to be made somewhere. Sorry Skip.
by nybirdfan on
Feb 25, 2008 3:45 PM EST
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barton
i know that is a very serious surgery (if i am correct he had the microfracture procedure) and although the sports are very different, in basketball, this is a minimum of a year on the shelf, and i dont think he had the surgery until very late last season
i am not sure what the rules are about the DL with a rule 5 guy; can he be on the DL? i really dont know
by bigcardsfan5 on
Feb 25, 2008 8:46 PM EST
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Can't we send Barton to AAA
by giveml on
Feb 25, 2008 9:42 PM EST
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Just wondering...
You're stating this as if it is a fact. What recent head-to-head comparison between Igor and Barton are you basing this statement on? You may be spot-on in a few weeks, but for right now Igor is a giant unknown.
by flynn on
Feb 25, 2008 10:16 PM EST
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TLR
by vinniefromjersey on Feb 25, 2008 9:31 AM EST 0 recs
Disagree
by BKKCard on
Feb 25, 2008 9:57 AM EST
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Here's what TLR would do:
I think a big part of the reason the team is taking a flyer on Gonzo is because it was Pujols's suggestion.
by salvomania on
Feb 25, 2008 1:40 PM EST
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Cant say no to El' Hombre...
by cardschinmusic on
Feb 26, 2008 5:54 AM EST
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One interesting thing
One of the comments following Leach's projected roster reflected on the lack of African American players in the game in general and on the Cardinals in particular...the commenter insinuated that TLR had some kind of bias against black players, going back to the Ozzie Smith situation over 10 years ago...Leach really let the writer have it, and rightfully so, in my mind...it was a ridiculous accusation.
Two things...obviously, TLR's continued interest in Bonds, with all of his baggage, disproves that theory...secondly, when are people going to let go of this Ozzie Smith thing?...as a black man, I have a number of relatives who swear up and down that LaRussa is prejudiced based on the perceived treatment of Smith, and I have argued until I am blue in the face that there is no basis of truth to prove that,whatsoever...I followed all of his teams in Oakland and you don't have to have a great memory of his rosters to know how important black players like Dave Stewart and the Hendersons were to those teams...fact is that African American interest(from a playing standpoint)in the game in at it's lowest point in the 60 years since the color barrier was broken...I don't know enough about it to say whether MLB is doing all it can to rekindle black player interest in the game, but I certainly don't feel there is any conspiracy or anything like that.
All that said, it is a bit sad for me that the Cardinals, with it's rich tradition of outstanding African American players, is unlikely to have even one on it's opening day roster...I love the team, of course, and I am for anybody who wears the "birds on the bat" regardless of their race or ethnicity...but you always like to see one of your "own" do well and see them represented on your team...those of you who are Italian or Jewish or Hispanic or any ethnic identification, I hope you know how I feel...not trying to stir up anything, just an observation.
by tbell61 on Feb 25, 2008 11:08 AM EST 0 recs
Add to that...
by cardzfanbub on
Feb 25, 2008 11:24 AM EST
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Barton
by StLHugo on
Feb 25, 2008 11:29 AM EST
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Affirmative Action in Baseball?
by Hardcore Legend on
Feb 25, 2008 11:34 AM EST
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Not exactly
by StLHugo on
Feb 25, 2008 11:46 AM EST
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poppycock.
- Juangone is also a minority. So affirmative action has no bearing here.
- How is Juan G. NOT a feelgood story? Former MVP suffers career-ending injury. Through hard work and dedication, he regains most of his former skill and makes the majors. Crap, man, that is a great story. What's the angle on making Barton a feelgood story? The fact that he is black? He is a tremendously talented, young player that is rehabbing from a knee injury. Am I missing something about his childhood or something?
Why do we need to worry about the lack of african-amerian players in the game? Well, MLB stands to lose a sizeable market if baseball interest among African-Americans continues to wane. Some potentially talented black children may never pick up the sport to discover that they can be great baseball players. That would truly be a sad affair.
That seems to be a marketing problem that MLB should fix.
But how should it be the fault of TLR, Duncan, or even Moz if they do not find enough black players to make the public happy. Their job is to make the team a good as possible with the players available to them. If some of those players are black, great. Does anyone think that Mo would have not traded Rolen if Glaus were black? If there were a black shortstop available better than our current pitiful options, doesn't everyone here believe that we would have signed him?
How can we blame the organizations for not having enough black players. The baseball is blind folks. If there were talented black players available, the team would have them.
Please do not try to blame the Cardinals for problems that are societal in nature. If interest in baseball is lower among African-Americans, then fewer African-Americans are going to play baseball, and as a result, fewer are going to make the major leagues.
by Eckstreem on
Feb 25, 2008 12:45 PM EST
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Aerospace Engineer
by StLHugo on
Feb 25, 2008 3:13 PM EST
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Is Barton Black?
I hadn't put much thought into it.
by Harknights on
Feb 25, 2008 4:03 PM EST
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Yes
by StLHugo on
Feb 25, 2008 4:13 PM EST
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what color
Doesn't that kinda put that silly argument to rest?
by beanocook on
Feb 25, 2008 3:39 PM EST
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Now thats a culture spread if ever...
by cardschinmusic on
Feb 26, 2008 6:06 AM EST
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ozzie smith
by SleepyCA on Feb 25, 2008 11:22 AM EST 0 recs
Off Subject - Reyes
Continue all the great postings. Read everyday, just don't have time to post.
Andy S
by apaul1029 on Feb 25, 2008 11:28 AM EST 0 recs
Things were really bad apparently
"I knew the Cardinals were doing their due diligence trying to trade me," Rolen said. "I knew the situation [in Philadelphia] and thought it might be a fit. I would have been open to the possibility, but it never presented itself."
He would have gone back to the city that ran him out of town a few years ago to escape the situation in STL. That's kinda sad.
by azruavatar on Feb 25, 2008 11:29 AM EST 0 recs
And when they boo'd him like Pat Burrell
Rolen's one of my favorite Cardinals all-time, but I'm soo glad that soap opera is over.
by Hardcore Legend on
Feb 25, 2008 11:36 AM EST
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AMEN TO THAT!
by Eckstreem on
Feb 25, 2008 12:50 PM EST
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See ya Scotty Ro,...my man!
by cardschinmusic on
Feb 26, 2008 6:09 AM EST
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From the "pursue Bonds" article:
As opposed to Aaron Miles, Juan Gonzales, Flores #2, Villone, etc. Signing them certainly demonstrated our commitment to youth.
by SleepyCA on Feb 25, 2008 11:39 AM EST 0 recs
D Goold @ Boomer
by Hardcore Legend on
Feb 25, 2008 11:43 AM EST
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Youth movement be dammed
Ahh, what could have been.
by That's a Winner on
Feb 25, 2008 12:48 PM EST
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Front Office Foot In Mouth Act of 2008
by cardschinmusic on
Feb 26, 2008 6:14 AM EST
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Juan Gone vs Barton
Juan isn't taking Barton's place, Skippy is:
Outfielders
Rick Ankiel
Chris Duncan
Skip Schumaker
Ryan Ludwick
Juan Gonzalez
Why can't we simply cut Skippy, replace him with Barton and if Gonzalez rakes, he makes the team. When he breaks down, Rasmus gets called up.
I'd much rather have Gonzalez and Barton on this team than Gonzalez and Shumaker.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 25, 2008 11:41 AM EST 0 recs
I hope that is what happens
Along those same lines, it is frustrating to me that Gonz will take AB's from Ludwick. I think Ludwick will put up better offensive numbers over the course of the season, and he plays good defense; Duncan-ankiel-gonz scares me. Of course, gonz may be considered solely a ph/platoon partner for Duncan, in which case I like it.
by SleepyCA on
Feb 25, 2008 2:43 PM EST
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I disagree
When your manager has 12 pitchers and only 13 spots for non-pitchers, your position players need to be able to play more than 1 position halfway competently. I'm not a big Skippy fan but he's more valuable, and younger, than Gonzo.
by houstoncardinal on
Feb 25, 2008 3:21 PM EST
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I agree
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Feb 25, 2008 3:54 PM EST
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