Viva El Birdos: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:



Around SBN: Padres Trade Khalil Greene To Cardinals Bar-right-arrows



AL Central Preview

Sorry for the late post this morning. Running a little behind schedule.

In continuing our series on the division previews, we're going to be moving on to the AL Central today. I'm thankful that the Twins were able to dispatch Santana (despite his new destination) before doing this so that it's somewhat timely.

Here are the important team numbers from last year:

W L Pythag W Off R/G Pit. R/G RZR
Cleveland 96 66 92 5.01 4.35 .800
Detroit 88 74 89 5.48 4.92 .829
Minnesota 79 83 80 4.43 4.48 .812
Chicago 72 90 66 4.28 5.18 .804
Kansas City 69 83 74 4.36 4.80 .843

There's little doubt that this is one of the best, if not the best, divisions in baseball. Cleveland and Detroit are clearly at the top of the heap and while the Twins are a notch or two beneath them, they have an exciting stockpile of young talent. (Is it possible the Twins will replace their ace w/ a pitcher who'll be even better over the next 7 years?) Probably the most amusing result from this division last year was the White Sox season. There was a huge uproar when PECOTA predicted 72 wins from the Pale Hose , who were just 1 season away from winning it all. And yet, guess what - they won exactly 72 games, thus providing some vindication for the PECOTA system that was lambasted by many in the media last March.

The Indians had a spectacular season last year. They won 96 games and defeated the Yankees 3-1 in the ALDS. They were up 3-1 in the ALCS before the Red Sox came back to win it. Like the '96 Cardinals, they were within just a hair of a big upset and a trip to the fall classic only to fall short at the end. They scored a lot of runs, led by Victor Martinez and the Colby Rasmus-like (hopefully) Grady Sizemore. Hafner's a big bat in the middle of the order. They have 2 aces at the top of the rotation and pretty good depth w/ Westbrook and Byrd. They have young pitchers like Adam Miller and Chuck Lofgren who are very close to being ready. They've got a very good bullpen led by the 2 Rafaels - Betancourt and Perez.

This offseason the Indians made very few moves, choosing instead to stick with their young guys. They probably could do better at 1B - w/ Ryan Garko and at 3B - w/ Casey Blake. Their OF corners aren't top-notch players but as long as they can pitch, they're going to be very good.

One other thing the Indians did last year was to, apparently, royally piss off Dave Dombrowski. He obviously didn't like losing the title they won the previous season and devoted this offseason to ensuring that they wouldn't lose it in '08. They bolstered their already potent offense by adding Edgar Renteria and Miguel Cabrera. They added an already young (Kenny Rogers excepted) and talented rotation by adding Dontrelle Willis. They got rid of the very nice yet very bad Sean Casey and moved Carlos Guillen to 1B. Gary Sheffield and MVP candidate Magglio Ordonez return. Curtis Granderson is turning into one of the best OF's in baseball. They added Jacque Jones to, I suppose, platoon w/ Marcus Thames in LF. Neither are very good but Jones can hit righties and Thames can hit lefties. As a platoon, Marque Thones will probably be a pretty good LF.

Like Cleveland, Detroit has young pitchers at the top of the rotation. Verlander is very good and Bonderman, though he wasn't very good last year, is projected by PECOTA to have a 30.5 VORP and an ERA of 4.00 for this year. Add Rogers, Robertson and Willis to the other two and you're looking at a pretty damned good rotation.

Their bullpen is very similar to Cleveland's in the sense that their best relievers are the setup guys and their closer really shouldn't be closing. Todd Jones and Joe Borowski aren't very good but they do manage to, fairly consistently, get 3 outs at the end of the game. If either fails, Zumaya or Betancourt are there to pick up the slack and there's little doubt that, if either of those ends up closing games, their respective teams will never turn back.

Most people believe the Twins didn't get enough for Santana but they did get two young, though middle to bottom of the rotation starters, and a raw but very talented CF in Carlos Gomez. They traded Matt Garza for the very talented and combustible Delmon Young. They already have young pitchers in their rotation and, presumably, Francisco Liriano returns to the rotation. I meant what I alluded to earlier - that it's conceivable that Liriano will be better over the next 7 years than Santana will. Santana, though still exceptional, isn't quite the pitcher he was 2 years ago. He's 29 now and will be very good for the next 7 years but, all in all, I'd rather have Liriano. It's likely that no one in their rotation will be older than 26 years old when the season begins.

The Twins still have one of the best closers in baseball - a guy who will be a free agent at the end of the season and will make an outstanding trade candidate any time until the end of July. He should fetch a pretty good bounty. They have good young hitters in Mauer and Morneau. Cuddyer's a pretty good hitter and adding Mike Lamb to play 3B, though he's awful defensively, was a pretty good addition this offseason. When the Astros decided to keep Ty Wigginton to play 3B when they added Miguel Tejada to play SS, they allowed the Twins to pick up Adam Everett as their SS. He's horrendous offensively but the best defensive SS in baseball and will help their young pitchers. This is a pretty good young team though their clearly about 2 notches below the top 2.

The White Sox, as we all know, were very bad last year. They still have Ozzie Guillen at manager and he plans to make some changes to his managing this year. It's doubtful that more bunting and hitting-and-running will propel the Sox to elite status in this division, however. They did add Carlos Quentin and Nick Swisher to their OF this offseason, finally ridding themselves of the awful Scott Podsednik. They traded Jon Garland to the Angels for Orlando Cabrera. They still have Paul Konerko and an aging Jermaine Dye and Jim Thome in their lineup. Josh Fields is ready to take over at 3B or LF and should be pretty good. This team had a lot of problems last year, and will again this year if Ozzie insists on taking the bat out of their best hitters' hands, but they do have some solid hitters. Their biggest problem is age and, while the Cards were able to extricate the aging Edmonds and Rolen from their lineup this offseason, the Sox still depend mightily on Thome and Dye.

Their pitching isn't what it was a couple of years ago. PECOTA doesn't think a lot of Buehrle (again!) or Contreras. Danks is a young and pretty good SP but Gavin Floyd is kind of their version of Anthony Reyes. Only Vazquez should be an above-average SP this year. He should have pretty good trade value should the Sox decide to go that route. They do have Bobby Jenks closing out games and added the oft-injured Octavio Dotel to their pen. They also inexplicably gave Scott Linebrink a 4 year, $19 M contract to turn leads into losses for the next 4 years.

Poor Kansas City. They are an improving team and have some good young players but play in such a tough division that no one is ever going to know it. Mark Teahan had a very good year last year and Alex Gordon is still an emerging star. David DeJesus is solid and Gil Meche surprised many with a solid season in his first in KC. They have young talent in their bullpen and replaced Emil Brown with Jose Guillen in the OF.

Brian Bannister surprised everyone with a good year last year but it'll be very difficult to repeat this year. They're just not there yet. Hopefully, Luke Hochevar, Billy Butler and Ryan Shealy will turn into good players. Hopefully, Zack Greinke will become the starting pitcher they've been hoping for the last several years.

Both Cleveland and Detroit have to be considered strong challengers for the AL title and a world championship. That said, I'd have to take the Tigers, with all their new additions and a turnaround season from Bonderman to win the division by about 3 games over the Indians. The Twins will only be able to hold off the Sox this year if their young pitching comes around. They've got talent but haven't put it all together yet and Liriano is coming off arm surgery. I'd like to see the Royals emerge from the cellar but I just don't see it happening unless age overwhelms the White Sox.

0 recs | Comment 16 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Good baseball
I love watching the AL Central.   Guys like Sizemore and Granderson are great for the game, and they're pretty good players, too.  And it'll be fun to see what Miggy does with lineup protection, too.  

Read Joe Strauss this morning and it looks like the White Sox tried to get even older by trading for Edmonds.  Apparently, Edmonds rejected it (can't blame him there).  Anyone know/hear what the offer was?  

by birdsonthebat on Feb 10, 2008 11:48 AM EST   0 recs

How would the Royals fair in our division?
What if the Royals were in the NL Central? How would they rank in the worst division in baseball?

by staticard on Feb 10, 2008 1:08 PM EST   0 recs

IMHO
ahead of Pittburgh, slightly behind us.
Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 10, 2008 1:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Oh Ozzie
Every time I hear someone gripe about LaRussa's stance on stats/facts/etc., I go and reread that particular FJM post and think about how great we Cards fans actually have it.  Apparently, Ozzie decided that -146 run differential one bunt at a time.  

BTW...Anyone remember when Jack McKeon said that he didn't know what Sabermetrics were b/c "he never took that class?"  Classic!

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 10, 2008 1:26 PM EST   0 recs

Good preview, hc.
Going to differ with you on a couple points though.  I think that old age (and an insane manager) WILL be the undoing of the Pale Hose and the Royals will finish ahead of them at season's end.  Also, I think Cleveland's pitching gives them a slight edge because I am not convinced that Bonderman will rebound enough or that Willis will make significant contributions.  But I would not want to place money on that prediction.  

by cardsgirl95 on Feb 10, 2008 4:18 PM EST   0 recs

tribe, yes
tho not a "fan," I felt for them last year (a'la' us in '04)... and I think they are about the most solid team in baseball.
And, Jim Leyland notwithstanding, there are numerous examples of teams plugging 'holes' with in-their-prime veterans, and yet the chemistry isn't there, thus the whole ends up being disappointing vs the sum of the parts.  And if I was a Tiger fan I would be worried about pitching, especially back end of the rotation.
Whereas the Indians have both talent AND cohesion.

I personally hope both Cleveland and Detroit get into the playoffs tho, because a) as Amer League teams go, they are both 'ok' by me, and b) it would mean that either the Stanks or the Sux don't make it.

by the Tewk on Feb 10, 2008 11:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

+1
on your playoff hopes for the AL.  

by cardsgirl95 on Feb 11, 2008 7:29 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

willis
he's not the same pitcher that he was from 03-06, and coming to the AL won't help his ERA at all.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Feb 10, 2008 4:21 PM EST   0 recs

Might be...
an injection of positive atmosphere in his rear, though. He might gain some swagger back if something is there to play towards.
Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Feb 10, 2008 6:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Teahan
Houston if you look at Teahans year it was good but not very good...... He was one of the worst offensive right-fielders in the game..

He only had 7 homers!!!!! for a right-fielder that is horrendous........

by Calhoun on Feb 10, 2008 11:41 PM EST   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing...
compared to his '06 numbers, Teahen was terrible last year and had a serious drop in power numbers.  Even at his old position, 3B, he would have ranked just above replacement level last season.  If you're the Royals, you have to hope that Teahen returns to '06 form and Gordon turns into the can't-miss prospect everyone thought he was last year.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Feb 11, 2008 10:53 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

a quibble and a hope
the mayor of Cincinnati is "nice yet very bad' ??

Do you say that about Sean Casey because he only hit four dingers last year?  What's wrong with a .296 average, 30 doubles, and only 42 K's in 453 AB ?

Is he declining in skills... I'm sure; is he now into the 'part-time' phase of his career... probably.  But I think "very bad" is loose language at this point.

-- a plus for me tho was you didn't mention Grudz, in your discussion of KC.  I still hope we get him back somehow -- and send Adam Kennedy to the moon.

by the Tewk on Feb 11, 2008 12:05 AM EST   0 recs

honeymooners
"One of these days Adam, ZIP! POW! Straight to the moon!"
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)

by cardwash on Feb 11, 2008 4:52 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Casey
a VORP of 9.6 (29th in baseball) and 1.2 WARP.  He's bad.  He'd make an OK pinch-hitter but for an everyday 1B, he's awful.

by chuckb on Feb 11, 2008 5:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

well, thanks for that
"awful" is better than "very bad."
I'll tell the Mayor personally next time I see him that I talked you into giving him an up-grade.

by the Tewk on Feb 11, 2008 11:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the Internet's #1 St. Louis Cardinals blog.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

100_2272_small
Hot Stove fanspost 12-4-12-12 or 250 comments whichever occurs first.
Small
Cards Closing in on Khalil Greene? (Updated: Yes, and they got him.)
Az_small
Collecting Saber Research Articles

Recent FanPosts

Small
Derrick Goold to host new baseball show on 101.1...
Royconrad_fullthrottle_small
Hall of Fame Discussion
Stl_ia_card_45_-_dark_small
The League of GLRS: The Secret to the Cards' Success
Mexvebwhite_small
I've got the MLB Network
Small
Introduction to Sabermetrics
Cowcartoon1_small
Rule 5 Draft Possibilities....
Small
The Paradigm Shift

Post_icon New FanPost All FanPosts Carrot-mini


Managers

2281_small DanUpBaby

Editors

Az_small azruavatar

Adam1_small chuckb

Lewishine_newsiespic-close_small the red baron

ad

Site Meter