Aaron Miles.. now a Cub
by Ghosty on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM EST
103 comments
2 yrs.. 2.2 million.. go to www.mlbtraderumors.com for more details..
This kind of breaks my heart, ya know?
I still don't know why we nontendered him in the first place. I hope Joe Thurston works out. The Cubs just traded DeRosa to the Indians, which is good I guess since DeRosa has always been a Cardinal-killer.. Guess Miles will be their starter now?
We'll just have to see what happens..
0 recs |
103 comments
Email
Print
Comments
Wha?
Super Mario in blue? This can’t be.
Good for him though if he gets the starting job. The Cubs just got a lot scrappier.
by paposse on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not mario anymore, to me
he is now Luigi.
Shame the cubs don’t wear green underarmor under their silly uniforms…
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
by SleepyCA on Dec 31, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe wario
wait, that’s Stavinoha
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that
made me chuckle. Miles= pre-mushroom. Stavinoha=post mushroom
Hyperventilating prospect geek
Future Redbirds
by erik on Dec 31, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Miles ok
You can’t spell scrappy without crappy. He is a tough little player and good bench guy, but since we’re in this Florida Marlins mode of play young guys now and not signing ANYONE WHATSOEVER!!! where did Miles really fit in here? He got more there then he would of gotten here, sucks he’s a cub but I wouldn’t pay 4.5 mil over two years for him. The cubs are lame anyway they wanna be us so bad it’s pathetic.
by ghostofjimlindeman on Dec 31, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
come on, man
the Marlins’ collective payroll is only about 50% more than what the Cardinals have invested, on a year-to-year basis, in Kyle Lohse. It was a bad move, but you can’t say it wasn’t a move.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 31, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the problem
how can you say it was okay because it was a move? It doesn’t matter what the Cardinals do as long as they make moves. They tried to pass signing Lopez paying him the minimum as a move at the deadline last year, and its what they’re doing this year. Signing an injured pitcher and a hippie coming off his worst year. Moves aren’t whats important if they suck. We need to make moves that are useful to the club and help us win.
by waino on Jan 1, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That “hippie” (Greene by the way) worst year rivals Iz’s career norms. There’s nothing but upside there.
That ‘injured’ pitcher (Miller by the way) pitched stellar last year and got better as the year went on, says there is no pain, and could have been playing with that ‘injury’ for the past few years and it never discovered. he had surgery on it years ago. Oh, and he signed cheap, to a specialist role.
Both moves make the club better for ’09.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not significant enough
It’s clear those signings don’t cut the mustard for cards fans, I like the Greene pickup, smart move and well played, Miller got no problem with him better then watching Flores for another year, Losche I like that signing he’s a good 3rd or 4th starter. But It’s clear to all that we need starting pitching, (Ben Sheets or a great trade) and it’s beyond clear that if they want to compete next year they better go out and get some starting pitching. I also think it’s making cards fans nervous because the cubs are throwing the kitchen sink at a title run. We’re not the Marlins but I do see a trend over the last couple of years that easily makes me nervous.
by ghostofjimlindeman on Jan 1, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I happen to be a Cards fan as well, and as of right now, it cuts the mustard for me. Thanks.
I agree we need another pitcher, I like the idea of Sheets. However, in my opinion, it is outright absurd to judge the offseason when there’s around 100 FA left on the market, 3 months worth of negotiations left.
Who care what the Cubs are doing? They’re a house built on sand. Sooner than later it’ll come crashing down. Let them throw the kitchen sink, because if you’ve checked out their farm once they throw that sink they’re screwed.
We still have plenty of things to throw – money, prospects and potential trades down the road.
Look at the rosters right now, half the people here can make the case that we’re the second best team in the central. Last year that was a wild card, the Brewers have fallen since last year, Red’s moves are superficial, and the Pirates have done little to nothing. Houston is cutting payroll, we’ll see where they end up.
What did the Cubs really gain yesterday? Really?
I’ll bet 2 to 1 odds to Cardinals Care that Miles doesn’t reach his numbers last year in Wrigley.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure we do
Having money and prospects to throw around means nothing, because we won’t throw it anywhere.
And what the Cubs do does matter
You think being second best in a bad division helps us at all?
Being second best in our division could mean a .500 season.
At the worst we need to be second best in the NL East because being second best in our division won’t lead to anything.
by waino on Jan 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we have made moves to get better
I guess that 40M they threw at Lohse was my imagination? We are also spending close to 5M more on the SS.
We were above .500 last season, and the division last year was good enough that the wild card came out of it, along with 4 teams over 85 wins.
I won’t even go anywhere near that last sentence because, well, it really makes no sense.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 1, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was trying to say
that we need to beat all but one of the NL East teams (which would be second best out of those teams and us) and then we would win the wild card.
by waino on Jan 2, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah
I thought you were advocating moving to the NL East
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 2, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're gonna kick the cubs butts next year!
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because when we’re 3 months out from Spring Training, knowing where you stand is a good thing.
The point is, we’re not done yet. Why not try judging something after it’s done and on the field? It makes perfect sense to me.
Now let’s remember this whole convo started based off of one line on your end.
“Moves aren’t whats important if they suck. We need to make moves that are useful to the club and help us win.”
My reply was focused and to the point – Both moves make the club better for ’09.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more like a house built on landfill
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not the point
Well if you think that these signings are enough to win a WORLD SERIES then I"m not sure you’re the majority out there chief. You Must have pitching, deep dominate pitching, and we don’t have it. You go into this season with these starting 5 pitchers you leave no room for error and with our injury history how can you seriously count on health being a strength for the cards there? Cardinals do not have quality starting pitchers in their pipeline either so your earlier theory kinda goes out the window there also. They don’t have a Colby pitching prospect anywhere in their system so they have no choice but to trade for it, or pay for it.
by ghostofjimlindeman on Jan 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He said the team needed more starting pitching...
…and also said that the fanbase that participates in the blogosphere needs to calm down a little bit and realize that over 100 FA’s are still out there to be had. I wouldn’t call signing Aaron Miles, dealing De Rosa for three inconsequential pitching prospects, and essentially swapping Kevin Gregg for Kerry Wood “throwing the kitchen sink.” In fact I’d call those poor moves.
Also, the word is DOMINANT. I’m not the grammar police by any means, but that is the one thing that gets me. There is no such thing as DOMINATE pitching…it’s dominant.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 2, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chief? Ok.
First of all, it’s highly debatable that our pitching is that much worse now than it was in ‘06. We won it then! Rockies pitching wasn’t all that sweet but happened to go on that amazing run.
How about this, we talk about the World Series at least after opening day. I mean, you have to have a full roster first and Spring Training right?
I said : “We still have plenty of things to throw – money, prospects and potential trades down the road.”
You said : “They don’t have a Colby pitching prospect anywhere in their system so they have no choice but to trade for it, or pay for it.”
So a little duplication, but I’ll qualify the prospect part so my theory is sound, ok?
We currently have Boggs and KMac as of now. Who knows, maybe Todd will get a spot start showing. I don’t know how you rate our farm, but who’s the big arm in the Cubs system if Harden goes down (possible) if the Z burns out (possible) if Dempster decides to really suck this year?
My point was at least we can dig down for something.
and as redbird stated, I said we needed more pitching I know we’re at a risk going in this light on pitching. Hey, I remember ’07 quite well, thanks.
All I’m saying is that right now we look like a 2nd place team as of right now so we have one benchmark to aim towards, the Cubs. That’s not exactly a horrible place to be 3 months out from Spring Training.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
2yr deal too…over 4 million… I’m happy for the guy…but oy…I hate seeing any former Card in Cubbie blue..
by Timbo02 on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is a good thing
miles had a career year last year, and i’m glad he did. but i think it was a career year, and he’s unlikely to do that again in a cub uniform. instead, he’ll get paid $2M to ops like .680, and if he does that in 450 ABs of corner outfield for chicago, then, i mean, holy shit. their chances just got a lot worse.
actually e'contending mang
by nycbirdo on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Theriot and Miles...
Scrappy and crappy… Why dump DeRosa? Peavy must become a Cub now, no?
by guayzimi on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
derosa was their second best hitter last season, I don’t get it
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why the Cubs traded DeRosa
He was worth 19 million or so last year and he is only getting paid 5.5 million. In some ways he was there most productive hitter and he is versatile. They are basically replacing DeRosa with Miles/Fontenot, which will probably not work out for them. I know that they are trying to get Peavy, but I’m not sure if dumping valuable players to create salary space is very smart.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 31, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's schizophrenic.
i mean, are the cubs the central time zone yankees, or aren’t they?
2006: resign ramirez, dlee, sign soriano, lilly, marquis (3/21!)
2007: resign zambrano, sign fukudome
2008: resign dempster (4/52!!!), trying to replace fukudome despite huge salary after 1 mediocre year
NOW they’re worried about payroll? enough to dump a solid guy like derosa, who was making $5.5M in the final year of his contract, in favor of aaron bleeping miles?
doesn’t make much sense to me.
actually e'contending mang
by nycbirdo on Dec 31, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
at least it’s goof for us that they have pisspoor management
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*good
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 2, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
The Cubs can have his atrocious defense, low OBP and low SLG. I’m sure going to miss all of those singles that Aaron Miles hit.
by arfuze300 on Dec 31, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sayonara, fivel!
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TRL is the only one crying today
for Might Mouse has left the building
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Dec 31, 2008 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
why does it feel like the Cubs
are digging through our dumpster?
Hyperventilating prospect geek
Future Redbirds
by erik on Dec 31, 2008 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damn dumpster divers.
They probably have contract offers on the table for Looper, Springer and Flores already.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Dec 31, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ironic that it happens
on the same day they’re finally able to extricate themselves from that Marquis deal, huh?
by chuckb on Dec 31, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Miles to go . . .
. . .before the Cards sweep up a free agent with the hustle and panache equal to the one they just lost . . . Glad for AM though, and thanks to him for the spirited play.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Dec 31, 2008 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
panache? Miles?
Manny has panache. Pujols has panache. Jimmy Ballgame definitely has panache. hell, maybe even Julian Tavarez had panache. but Mighty Mite?
wonder if the BoB go after Eckstein again to platoon with Kennedy and provide insurance in case Greene doesn’t recover. would the VeB community be opposed to something like a 1 year deal for $2.5-3mn for Eck?
by kindred on Dec 31, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be.
use cheap min priced talent as your MI bench, don’t spend for it.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mo has promises to keep
The report is that the Cardinals, after ignoring Miles since September, made a last day pitch to retain him. Now losing Miles is far from a deal breaker as far as pennant contention goes but this off season appears to have no consistent plan or philosophy for the Cards. If we really had to have Fuentes for a closer then we should have been clear about that immediately. If we didn’t want MIles then why the last minute bid? If we were going to upgrade our Loogys and 2b as stated why did we get into trade talks of Ludwick plus for Holliday? If we were going to see how the middle infield free agents shook out as stated then why did we suddenly trade for Greene when we probably could have done it two months later? If we really needed another end of the rotation starter why didn’t we offer Looper arbitration? If our Loogy situation was as important as originally stated why are we standing pat after signing a mediocre and possibly damaged Trevor Miller? Finally, if we think there’ll be bargains galore all winter long then why in the world did we sign Kyle Lohse to a four year contract before the season even ended? Aargh! Well……tomorrow’s a new year.
by easy on Dec 31, 2008 7:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
regarding Fuentes
“[Using a pitcher already in-house to close] has always been an option,” Mozeliak said, although manager Tony La Russa has expressed little enthusiasm for such a course. “That’s never changed. I think when we saw the market change on closers is when we engaged. So we made an attempt. We weren’t [Fuentes’] first choice.”
I am pretty sure that makes it obvious that MO really never thought we really had to have Fuentes as a closer.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and as for:If we were going to upgrade our Loogys and 2b as stated why did we get into trade talks of Ludwick plus for Holliday?
why would those have to be mutually exclusive. We can’t go after Ludwick and try to upgrade 2b and LOOGY?
Greene could have been gone two months later.
Possibly MO thinks we can get the production cheaper out of a minor leaguer or a still as yet unsigned FA than the cost of Looper after arbitration.
We don’t know that we are standing pat, I am pretty sure not all negotiations are made public.
And there was this little thing of a market correction that happened right after the Lohse signing if I remember correctly. I think that might have a bit of an effect on the FA market.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, if holliday is going to be traded
I would have to expect Mo would ask about him. I think it’s probable that that little bit of due diligence got blown out of proportion in the press.
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
by SleepyCA on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the St Louis press blowing things out of proportion?
that couldn’t happen
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
That’s what pisses me off, any other day people would be bitching because Mo didn’t question or see what it would take to get a certain player who just got traded, and the one time he did. He’s got people bitching because he did.
he asked, the value was luddy, he walked. Enough said. +1 Mo
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In order
It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. However, Ludwick was considered the prime bait for a middle infielder.
You’re right that Greene could have been gone but getting him made a more significant upgrade at short impossible.
The problem with signing a free agent pitcher is that it will probably have to be for multiple years costing more than one year for Looper and possibly blocking the younger pitchers.
You’re right, I suspect we’re still trying to make moves. My complaint is not that we’re not trying but that we seem to be all over the place as far as a plan and that’s interfering with our ability to make strategic changes.
Market correction or not we should not have signed Kyle Lohse to a four year contract after his first winning season since 2003. It’s not a killer contract and it’s possible that Dunc has found the magic key for Lohse. On the other hand it’s unlikey that Duncan will be around for four years.
Again my complaint is the lack of a consistent focus on what our needs are. It suggests that different people in the management team have different ideas about those needs and the result is rapidly changing targets.
by easy on Jan 1, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as a Loogy, Miller isn’t mediocre. Not compared to the rest of his FA class and you have no idea how long he’s pitched with said injury. Clearly there was no issues with it last year.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That ain't right
Yet another member of the 2006 World Series team is now elsewhere.
by bailorg on Dec 31, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's day's like this i'm ashamed of many Cardinal fans
so many of them are pissed off we let a back up 2nd baseman go, and didn’t sign an over hyped, over paid closer. so i gotta ask, why?
get a freaking grip people. we have better players at both positions on the 40 man right now. i’m not even going to post the garbage jeff gordon has written on the subject. the man is a damn fool & is doing nothing but riling up the blue hair’s. the Cardinals are a better team without Mini Me & Fuentes. i guarantee it.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Dec 31, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Im with you...
Puppy Kicker. A couple of cubbie occurrences is all we need. IMO, this was a bad series of moves for the Cubs and we will contend next year regardless of what happens from here on out. Even if the Cubs get Peavy, he will get hurt, or Zambrano will go on perma-tilt, something will happen. Even if we win the wild card that just means we get to witness the Cards crackin the Cubs in the NLCS (My personal dream come true). Im sure we will have obstacles too, but Tony has shown he can navigate through these, and our reinforcements at AAA are far more attractive. Best of all, our D right now is just downright nasty. I foresee great things so, If you’ve ever seen Grandma’s Boy, “Let’s f*cking RAGE!”
by RayMonD! on Dec 31, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The astute readers of the P-D sure loved their Miles. You’d think we just dumped a future hall of famer.
by Beware the Molinas on Dec 31, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PD Poll for resigning Miles 76% Yes 24% No
by ubeddie on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs...
So far, they’ve replaced Kerry Wood with Kevin Gregg and Mark Derosa with Aaron Miles.
Sounds like by doing nothing, the Cardinals are doing better than the Cubs.
by arfuze300 on Jan 1, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder which deal will be worse
Dempster’s or Lohse’s?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 1, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dempsters
now that’s a dumpster of a deal!
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster
I think Lohse will hold up better than Dempster.
by spants on Jan 1, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
me too.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not mad, just sentimental for the 2006 team
Plus I just don’t like seeing non-hated Cardinals showing as Cubbies.
by bailorg on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh well
things are changing fast these days
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
and highly agree.
It’s pretty sad that lately it feels like the P-D/CardsTalk ’tudes are starting to leak out of that site and onto others.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, I've been a member of this site for over three years
Geez, the only thing I’m annoyed about is seeing a non-hated Cardinal end up as a Cubbie. That doesn’t mean I think we should have matched and/or trumped the offer. I know that we should easily find a second baseman just as good if not better.
by bailorg on Jan 1, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really glad for your tenure, really. But you may want to note the post I was replying to, nothing in my comment was directed towards you directly.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything but the last sentence...
the Cardinals are a better team without Mini Me & Fuentes.
We are a better team without Miles, but it’s a big stretch to say that we’re better without the 5th best reliever in all of baseball last season. Obviously his contract wasn’t going to be the most affordable, but he definitely would have improved the bullpen there’s very little question about that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jan 2, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i base that opinion on how much money he would have cost
plus the 1st round pick he would have cost. i’m not questioning his pitching ability anymore after chuck,AZ & others showed me the numbers.
but if you take into consideration what the cash and the loss of the pick would have cost the Cardinals, and you have to, you simply can’t ignore the total price tag it would take to sign Fuentes. the Cardinals are better off without his services for the next 3 seasons.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 2, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could use the money saved to get a starter
Which is actually a need, not just a luxury item.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 2, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Fuentes could have been our ‘Lidge’ scenario
that said, price, draft pick et all with our current needs, I wouldn’t have either.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from Mini me Miles
"Now I’m ready to be a Cubbie and play the game the right way and show St. Louis that they let somebody go that maybe they shouldn’t have."
If playing for the Cubs is to “play the game the right way” then I’m glad the Cards have been playing it “the wrong way” over the past 100 years since the last time the Cubs won anything to be proud of.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Dec 31, 2008 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t give him too hard of a time on that quote.
1.) consider its source
2.) when you cross rival country to play you have to be very, very careful on what you say. That can be read a couple of ways and I’m sure Miles isn’t being hostile.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roster construction improvement
This move imo is addition by subtraction in that it helps the 2009 roster construction because we probably won’t be carrying four MIF. We will have more pop off the bench and Miles was far from successful at providing pop or even hits as a PH. In 2008 he had four singles (and one sac bunt) in 25 PH plate appearances.
by ubeddie on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
One MIF/superutility guy should be enough. Especially because we have a lot those types of players in the minors.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 1, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even with his average
he was still one of our worst hitters, along with Kennedy
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cant believe though that the Cubs moved DeRosa for those Cleveland "prospects?"
The only thing I can see is this move setting up the Cubs acquiring Brian Roberts from the Orioles.
by Czechguardsman on Jan 1, 2009 3:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Which doesn't make sense
because DeRosa was nearly as good as Roberts last year and won’t cost the Cubs a boatload of prospects.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 1, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that
or I could see this, along with the Marquis move, opening up payroll space for Peavy.
by nmstar on Jan 1, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Orioles require SP
Don’t think the Cubbies have the arms that would be needed to get Roberts.
by ubeddie on Jan 1, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mabye the O's would receive Sean Marshall or even Jeff Samardzija???
Or middling AA/AAA prospects they might try and insert in that travesty they call a rotation.
by Czechguardsman on Jan 1, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they did
Do you think Samardzija is accepting a trade to the Orioles? I highly doubt it. People keep forgetting that he has a full no-trade clause.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jan 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of team
gives a draft pick a full no-trade clause ?(hopefully no instances of the Cards doing this follow)
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 2, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They threw the kitchen sink at him...
…to sign him. It was foolish because he is and was a dramatically overrated pitcher. They’re paying him oodles of dough to be an unproven one and a half pitch pitcher. It would be like the Cards paying Jason Motte all that dough just to prevent him from taking that spot with…well…whatever other sport Jason Motte was good at as a young’en.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 2, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This move
only moves payroll, so they can pay a right fielder they need. Bradley, or Dunn.
by chicagocardfan on Jan 1, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
plus they can trade those pitchers they just got for peavy
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zell is in bankruptcy
Tribune is scaling back — they are not freeing up salary, but lowering salary. We’ll see by Spring training, but i’m predicting a few more salary dumps and and no major increases. No Bradley, No Peavy.
Just win
by The Duke on Jan 1, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Just like everyone else in this thread, wrong.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jan 9, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for following that up with wonderful insight
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck Miles
Career year gets you into a Cubs uni for an overpaid price. Congrats.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
curious mo
miles comes/goes not a big deal in and of itself. what it does relative to last year is kick another million or so in the kitty and maybe 2 against the 09 payroll. so is this money saved or will it be invested, say in a little more to get ohman or sheets or even springer? not a lot of money, but still it should make it a little easier to do something useful.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Jan 1, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This might not have been that bad for the Cubs
They get a solid utility infielder who can at least hit for a high average and won’t kill you with the glove. If they are planning to start him every day, than this is really stupid, but they probably will use him sparingly. The guy who will start every day is Mike Fontenot, who had big year last year en route to a 3.1 WAR or about 14 million worth of value. He plays excellent defense, has good power, on base skills and has speed. Plus he has a minor league track record of sucess. The Miles deal wasn’t good, but if they plan to use him as a utitility player, than isn’t a bad deal either.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 1, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
trading away derosa is the part that didn't make sense
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 2, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should have at least gotten more for him
than some middling non-prospects. Derosa could have gotten them some pretty good value in a trade if they had been patient.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
that guy is a steal
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 2, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
he sure killed the Cardinals with the glove. (Okay not killed, but he’s average at 2b and bad elsewhere)
Also he will probably hit for average, but I suspect this year was a fluke. Probably closer to the .300 level next year, which reduces his value a lot (since he doesn’t walk)
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Jan 2, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Aaron Miles has improved each year with the bat since he’s been a Cardinal. His defense was also pretty good this year at 2nd and short which is where he would play with the Cubs. He was almost a 2 war player this year and he is probably in the midst of his prime. Even if the batting average drops to .300 he’ll still be a 1-1.5 war player. That would actually make this contract a bargain for the Cubs. Although trading DeRosa was still incredibly stupid.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 2, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this about Miles...
…The guy seemed to bust his butt and probably played about as well as he’s capable of playing during his time in STL. I have a lot of respect for Aaron Miles the person. With that said, I’m not going to lose sleep over losing Aaron Miles, and I don’t particularly care if he went to the Cubs.
Another note on the Cubs: what the hell are they doing? Unless they’re dumping De Rosa for the sake of clearing salary and making a splash of a deal, De Rosa to Miles/Fontenot is a HUGE downgrade. De Rosa is roughly an .780-.800 guy, and that’s pretty doggone good for a second baseman, which is where he’ll probably play the most. Plus he can competently fill in at several spots, something that Miles DOES NOT DO.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 2, 2009 3:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: miles,
as I found in todays paper If the people writing in to the PD are against something, I’m normally for it.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Heh
Does anyone think that our general manager is helping our team or is he working for the Cubs?
That’s priceless.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 4, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
