In the New Year
Hooray! I've been waiting to use that title for the better part of a year.
So anyhow, the year of 2008 is coming to a close. Myself, I can't say that I'm at all sad to see it go. I'm just hoping that next year is better.
But how about you? Happy that it's finally done? Grateful that it happened? Nostalgic already for the days when you weren't constantly calculating how old you're going to be in a whole new year?
Maybe you're just happy to see another year. Not so much to see the old one gone, but simply thankful to be taking in the air in this science fiction age of ours in a fully vertical position most days. If so, congratulations to you. You sound as if you've got life much more figured out than the rest of us.
You know, if I had been smart, I would have held off on doing my favourite Cardinal moments of the year until now, seeing as how it is, after all, the last day of 2008. Sadly, I felt the need to at least pretend that I was talking about baseball a couple of weeks ago in my Favourite Things post, so I now have nothing really to reflect upon. I also used up all of my cheap, emotionally exploitive 'A' material last week, so that's a bit of a dry well too.
So you know what? Let's just make this particular thread about whatever you want it to be about. You want to talk about what you hope the new year brings for our Cardinals? Take it away. Have a story about 2008? I'm all ears. How about a resolution? Go ahead. Those are always a ton of fun.
Me, I'm not making any resolutions this year. For one, I just flat out don't feel like it. For another, I'm apallingly bad at sticking to my resolutions. The only time I've ever come even close to sticking to them was a couple of years ago, when I resolved to take up smoking and play more guitar-based video games. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't even do a very good job of sticking to those. I am, at best, an occasional smoker, and my Fisher Price plastic axe skills, while fairly well developed, are certainly not of the level one would refer to as 'awe-inspiring'. So, nuts to resolutions.
So let's all take a moment to enjoy the last of the year. We'll never see it again, you know. Talk amongst yourselves, and be careful out there.
Happy New Year, everyone. Let's hope it's a good one.
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Happy New Year's Eve everyone!
I finished my revisions on my new stat, OAR… expect to see a post over at my new blog: 4B. my resolution last year I followed pretty well: only drink good beer. check out 4B for a few beer reviews already posted, and more to follow. beer baseball bands blog!
my resolution for ‘09 is to travel more, and to see a game in the STL. also, I plan on getting the new MLB channel, especially if it doesn’t cost much. I resolve to make more money too (good luck with that!). won’t be too hard I guess, since the last couple of years I’ve been living on a zen-like just above food stamps budget. maybe I should work for mlb.com or something. I have a jack-of-all-trades renaissance man type of work/skills history, if anyone can stand that.
The Cardinals need to resolve to garner themselves some value from the still-in-limbo outfielder glut of 2008. don’t tell me we will see Duncan eating up playing time trying to prove himself… sure he deserves it, but let’s give him a short leash, ok? surely someone would be interested in someone like Ryan Ludwick, or to a lesser extent Skip Schumaker, Joe Mather or Brian Barton; all 4 of those guys seem to have a lot of value to other teams… let’s do something about it, Cards! Mozeliak must have something up his sleeve, or somehow knows Sheets will fall into our lap like a Lohsean dream.
also, let’s give Freese, Barden, and of course the law firm of Motte-Perez plenty of chances… and if we trade away some outfielders (or even if we don’t) let’s give Rasmus a chance ferchrissakes
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 1:20 AM EST reply actions
...like a Lohsean dream.
I like that!
Happy 2009, everyone! Here’s to a happy, safe and successful year for all here at VEB and to the Cardinals playing in October once again!
P.S. – Cards Fan in Chitown, I hope you get to rock a game at Busch this year. And, red baron, that must be your shortest post EVAR.
Cards, are you literally in Chitown?
If so how far from O’Hare?
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I am practically downtown, I walk to work
so pretty far from OHare
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here's to 2009, the Year of the MLB Network
everything about baseball coverage is going to change because of this network. The past, like never before, is going to be connected to the present with daily footage of classic games, hall of fame players, interesting debates.
For once, we will have legit in-depth MLB coverage on television and it quite possible could take over my entire life.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 AM EST reply actions
Of course since I live in the land of college hoops and horses
I am one of the few that doesn’t/won’t get MLB Network. My cable system (Insight) is WAY more worried about pleasing the college basketball fans around here with like 15 some odd channels dedicated to all things college sports than give us few baseball fans around here one measley channel.
I have a DirecTV dish but I don’t have the service right now. I didn’t re-new it last year because I work nights and I wasn’t going to see many Cards games except on the weekends. This MLB Network just might make me give them a call soon. Although before I make that call I want to see if this network is going to be 90% Yankees/Red Sox and 10% the rest of MLB like ESPN or if they are actually going to give more teams the coverage they should get. I am hoping to hear some feedback on how it is from guys like you HL if possible before I pay for the service. But you’re right a baseball channel 24/7 could take over my life too.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
hope for mlb tv
The nfl network doesn’t have a bias at least to me. They cover each team fairly well more attention to the winners than the losers, but i don’t have much problem with that. The only thing that gets to be a bother is homerism on nfl. Deion Sanders never shuts up about the cowboys, terrel davis on the boncos, marshall faulk at times can get that way to, and rod woodson, and i am a steelers fan.
The good news is that Joe magrane is one of the talking heads, a former cardinal can’t hurt. The others are al leiter and harold “awkward hug” reynolds, at least that’s what i heard about. I’ll probably watch alot any ways
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
I have high hopes for the MLB Network.
I felt cheated last year. Sure, I got the Cardinal games, and some Cubs/White Sox games on WGN, but ESPN and Fox/TBS almost always featured the Yankees and the Red Sox. I never once got to see the Marlins slugging infielders, the ascent of the Rays as the season progressed (unless they were playing the Yankees/Red Sox), the three best hitters in one line up of Texas-Hamilton, Kinsler, and Bradley, the mostly no name Minnesota Twins, the Cleveland Indians with Cliff Lee and their great Grady Sizemore, Tim Lincecum pitching, the Oakland A’s and their always interesting team construction, Roy Halliday pitching, or even the other New York team-I mean, David Wright, Johann and Carlos Beltran aren’t worth a look? They weren’t on my TV much.
They have said they are going to do spring training reports by spending the day with each team at their camp. That’s a good start. They are supposed to have 26 live games-so we’ll see.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Dec 31, 2008 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had to rec that
we need more baseball on tv
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
MLB network..........
I live in Iowa and just have a local co-op cable company………….. It provides great baseball coverage for Mid West people
FSN Midwest Cards games and occasional Royals games
Comcast Cubs and Sox games
WGN Cubs and Sox games
FSN North Twins games (this is nice because I get to see AL teams)
ESPN Monday, Wednesday, and Sunday night baseball
Thanks to the Network
I’ll be single for life I reckon. All of my free time will be sucked up watching. Sigh, I have an addiction.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks too, the Network
I’ll be single again I reckon. All my “wife’s” time will be sucked up watching. Sigh, Thanks again!
by Beardsville Rockers on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
2008 wasn't the greatest of years
for me either, but I really don’t have that much to complain about. My girlfriend got me/us tickets to opening day at Busch as a Christmas present, so that was a nice little cherry on top of 2008 for me. I can’t wait to see the boys ride in on the red convertibles, especially (and hopefully) Mr. Colby Rasmus. Rock on 2009 Cardinals and all VEB readers; I look forward to 365 more days of (mostly) witty baseball banter among fans of the greatest sports franchise in the world.
The Year of the Ox (cow??) in Asia promises to be udderly kind to true believers . . .
in the underachievers who somehow arise to greatness under the Gateway Arch. Best to all VEB readers from Korea, Japan and Thailand where I have done time for over 20 years.
fondly,
Akaitori – via Maplewood HS, a long time ago
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
2008...
well, not much to say about that. Little up, little down. Was nice to end a baseball season saying that we got to see some kids play. It makes a 4th place finish a lot easier to swallow, for sure.
I’m not a big resolution man myself, but my first resolution is to try to start a couple, so my goals this year are to work less, travel less (work), play more poker, watch more minor league games, and finally getting around to making progress on getting a network together to get baseball equip to kids who can’t afford it so hopefully they can learn to enjoy a game that’s brought me years upon years of enjoyment myself.
If you’re in search of a res., go to a few games at your closest minor league team. if anyone in the game will be hurting this year, it’ll probably be them. You can’t beat a minor league game.
But most of all I hope that all that go out tonight come home safe and sound. Let’s not start off with anyone hurt due to trying to enjoy the start of ‘09. Get a taxi, it’ll be worth it.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply actions
minor league games
Despite living in BFE, I am fairly close to 2 minor league teams although they are, a royals & cubs teams. The burlington bees are only a 45 min drive, although the baseball is closer to highschool than the pros its still fun. The peoria chiefs is also pretty good time and they have a new ball park
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
I’ve been to a Peoria Chief game, and I liked it. But I really, really get into minor league ball.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
put it this way, I’ll sell some of my tickets from my season tickets to build funds just to swing through memphis, spfd, tulsa etc.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
4th place...
by .5 a game
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'll go see another river bandits game this year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Sidenote
Since this is a freeforall thread, I just wanted to add something..
This isn’t generally directed here, but I’d rather say it here instead of go to its source.
No one would like it if the front office was completely silent this entire off season. Why would you? Taking that into consideration we shouldn’t hang the front office for saying one thing and then saying another at some point down the road.
Just seems like Mo’ is getting hung for changing his approach adjective as the off season goes along, and I’m not sure he’s earned it.
The market still doesn’t look anything like it should like, last I read there were over 100 FA still avail. There is still plenty of time until ST and regardless if he uses ‘aggressive’ or ‘pragmatic’ or whatever, we shouldn’t lurch into using those words as ammunition.
In short, before we as a whole lurch into beating on Mo’ for his next sound bite, can we see what the roster is going to entail first?
IMO it just sucks how P-D keeps beating the “word changing” drum, I can’t stand how they get first rights to the front office. I wish they’d badge a couple of our bloggers so we’d get some real questions answered instead of the b.s. P-D has been running with.
/soapbox
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 9:16 AM EST reply actions
Well said.
Remember, anytime you use “sucks” and the “Post-Dispatch” in the same sentence, you’re 90% right already.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
The P-D got scooped by the NY Post
…on the Khalil Greene trade. Frankly, they are pretty worthless in terms of insight into the front office.
And I’d like to say that Mo only has as much money to spend as ownership allows. Additionally, this offseason, more than any other, is one that will likely reward a patient approach.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I have but one resolution
do not visit the P-D site all year. I think that is going to be an easy one to keep.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Goold's Birdland Blog
It’s a pretty good read most of the time. I’ve bookmarked it so none of the other pages on the P-D website get my traffic.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's smart
Birdland is essential reading.
it is
but it might be a sacrifice I am willing to make. I am sure I will get the gist of most of Goold’s articles over here.
One year and then I can go back to Birdland.
These are the times when I wish St. Louis still had the Globe (I never thought I would say THAT), then I could just beg DG to go to the other side.
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
rss feed
the PD website allows delivery of Birdland to your email account – so you have to visit the site only once to sign up. The limitation is that the polls that are frequently used are not supported in the email version, so you have to follow the link to vote….
so if I do that before tomorrow
everything might just work out
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I didn't last year...
I’m pretty sure I didn’t lose a damn thing.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Marquis to the Rockies?
I giggled.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions
I groaned
Now, Marquis is not on the Cubs and his salary is off the books. This gives them breathing room financially to add a bat like Milton Bradley or Adam Dunn and/or Peavy. I am not pleased with this development.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Don't worry, the Cubs will screw it up somehow. They're the Cubs. That's what they're for.
Still a groan here, as we live considerably closer to Denver than to St. Louis and I follow the Rockies to some extent, as one might follow the career of one’s beautiful wife’s ugly-duckling kid sister. There’s still the matter of lifelong commitment to a real gem, yet a certain concern over what sis is doing. She’s just gone on a date with Jason Marquis. This will not end well.
Incidentally, my real-life beautiful wife’s real-life kid sister is hardly ugly.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 31, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
had to get that in there just in case the wife or wife's sister reads this?
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
hey stan, how bout you hook a brother up?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Hey, you.
Stop that now…….don’t go putting him on th spot.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
plus she is probably too good
to wanna hang out in gdm’s mom’s basement
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darn
hey i’ve got TWO count them TWO satellite’s hooked up in that basement matty. what else could a person want?
i hope you got the joke right jill?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
gdm 426
I did get the joke. I was joking myself, you know, in that sarcastic way that doesn’t always come across in a post.
Actually, I thought it was kind of funny.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
10-4. just making sure
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
I just don't think Marquis
was a serious block to getting something else done.
I think it was a Peavy excuse once they figured out they were bidding vs themselves and needed a way out. Marquis in Denver will be fun.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you're a member or fan of the Rockies...
"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by Futility Infielder on Dec 31, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you were sort of right...
…According to the rotoworld side bar, they used that surplus to snatch up…wait for it…
Aaron Miles. If that doesn’t take them over the hump, well, I don’t know what will!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
so you're saying grit is a cub now?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
2008 better than 2007
I have a lot to be thankful for in 2008, my son was born (already has lots of Cardinals gear at three months old), good health for me and my family, made it to St. Louis with my family with tickets in the Champions club, and they won a pitcher’s duel with Adam Kennedy hitting a homer in the game. That was much better than 2007 when I saw two games in St. Louis and one in KC. I suffered through two Kip Wells’ appearances and a blasting of Anthony Reyes. Everyone have a great 2009!!
by CycloneCardinal on Dec 31, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions
2008
has been a great year for me. I got married, graduated from law school, passed the bar, started a job I actually like, and a slew of other happy things. Hopefully 2009 can keep bringing the good times.
well since its a free for all...
where did you go to law school? I’m applying right now and I’m not above choosing a school based on the advice of an anonymous poster on a baseball blog.
What are you interested in?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
meh
not really focused on any one area right now, nor am I picking schools based on their specialty rankings. I’ll probably want to do some big law/corporate law for a few years after ls to pay off loans and build up some $, then get out before I slit my wrists and do PI.
or ....
get into Maritime Law like my mentor Chareth Cutestory and become a pirate lawyer.
“You’re a crook, Captain Hook…”
Then I'd go where I get a scholarship to lower the debt load
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yep...
that’s what I was thinking, but its comforting to hear someone else agree. I was a little hesitant about picking a lower-ranked school over higher-ranked options, but a full ride is tough to turn down (Indiana)
Broken record
It depends on what you want to do. But, if you get good grades and get a good clerkship, you’ll be able to get a good job. If you want to go to Chicago and work on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, you might want a higher ranked school.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just my two cents
but the rankings only matter if there’s a pretty large disparity in them. Or if your ultimate goal is to be a law professor, in which case your school, grades, all of it matters quite a bit.
Even if you want a big firm job, they can be had from most schools if you are a top student.
+1
Put in the hours to get top marks no matter where you go. That is key.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I would take
the free ride. That gives you a lot of flexibility. What other schools are you considering?
Addendum
There were many a day when I wished I’d have gone to WashU or SLU so I could have clerk in the summer and go to Cardinal games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I went to UMKC
highest bar passage rate in the state at 98.6%…only one failer. Edged out WashU. Good value for your money. I would look at MU if you want to live in StL. I’m a state school promoter, for the value. If you get a 160 or higher, SLU will probably offer you some money, though, which could make that a good deal though.
Of course, if you can go to a top school, you should do that.
I just graduated from UMKC
Great school but no job yet. It has a great faculty and is not very cut throat as far as law schools go. Make sure you absolutely want to work in law if you are going to spend the money. I have several friends who regret the decision and some of them have been practicing for a few years. Not to scare you off but just be sure.
Oh and another thing
I wasn’t the one who failed. I don’t like the guy who did. So I guess what I am trying to say is that karma is a b*tch.
Congratulations. Seriously.
You just had a career year.
You better have a baby in 09 if you think it can remotely measure up to your 08.
by Youneverknow on Dec 31, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Or, not have a baby
And buy season tickets, so that you can witness the Cardinals’ 11th World Series title. :)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That would make for a great year
Crazier things have happened.
Thanks
I appreciate it.
The Future of Brett Wallace
Since this is a free-for-all, I want to ask a long-winded question.
I think Brett Wallace may end up being the Cardinals version of Matt LaPorta. If you don’t know (and I assume most of you do), LaPorta was the centerpiece of the deal that sent Sabathia to Milwaukee. LaPorta was expendable because he most likely will end up at 1B or LF. The Brewers already have a couple of guys who are pretty good at those spots and another (Mat Gamel) who might play his way off 3B and end up complicating things even further.
If it becomes clear that Wallace cannot play 3B, will he have a chance to succeed in LF? I’m skeptical – I have a hard time seeing a guy in LF who is nicknamed the Walrus – lets see how he runs, like pigs from a gun? Besides, the organization already has few good OF prospects who project to both hit and play above average in the field. If you don’t think OF defense is that important, look no further than the lack of interest in Adam Dunn and Pat Burrell (although the Raul Ibanez signing destroys this theory – seriously, check out his numbers on FanGraphs).
I don’t think any of the players who will/may be available (Justin Duchscherer, Matt Holliday, Jose Valverde, Brian Roberts and the underrated Randy Winn) are worth Wallace, but would the Roberts rental + 2 compensation draft picks be worth Wallace +? I think the bigger question is what does everyone think of the strategy of trading prospects for rental players and their compensation? Do you have enough faith in the scouting department to think this is acceptable or even encouraged?
Just my opinion follows, so it may not be worth much.
I see Wallace as an organizational two way plan.
A.) Albert gets hurt, opts for surgery, or makes it clear St. L isn’t in his future. Wallace provides the best pure hitter in that draft.
B.) Albert continues and the org is setting up for Albert’s extension. The front office has settled on the area to save money going forward is at 3b. Lack in confidence has caused the Cards to build a mass of glut and take out the cream of crop. Before last year we had who? Craig? Now we have Freese, Wallace, Craig, Cruz.
We could also be going a C route, which I think is most likely.
Wallace is considered to be ‘serviceable’ for 2-4 years at 3b. The serious question is if he can age while at 3b. Most don’t think he can. So he provides a cheap option as he heads into his arb years, then we sell around arb and flip for something then.
That way he’s clearing funds that Albert may need while being league min. Sitting in a backup role in case something happens to Albert, and if he can’t do 3b going towards arb, he’ll be a nice trade chip.
To his credit, scouts were mildly surprised by his movement in winterball and he does look like he’s slimmed down some. But I don’t think he’ll be flipped around trade deadline (when he can be).
Just say no to Wallace in LF, ever. Seriously. Not only the obvious range, but his arm becomes a concern then.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well analyzed.
Truthfully, I don’t the the team really knows yet just what they’ve got in Walrus, except that he’s definitely an asset. By the time he can be traded, the situation will be much clearer. Just as long as they don’t throw him away as they did Daric Barton, something good will happen; only the details are TBD.
Out of curiosity, who was the nutritionist that worked with Pujols after he joined the organization and had the “nice bad, bad body” rap? Someone sure took care of the “bad body” part. Much of that is attributable, of course, to AP’s awesome work ethic, but if there was a nutritionist in the picture who could work with Wallace too, things might get really interesting.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 31, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea
to be honest, though Albert is now at first..
However, if you look at the Walrus’ pictures from when he was in winterball compared to his college pictures, it’s clear that he’s lost some weight.
I don’t know if it’s the Cards taking care and control of his nutrition or if it’s the fact that he had played so much ball since signing. I’d say both.
Something that really stuck with me on something I read is that his feet was serviceable, but it was his arm strength that didn’t wow ya. Considering the torque he should be able to put it caught me off guard.
And I can’t see him ever being in the Barton mold going forward.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He's reputed
not to like the “Walrus” nickname. Maybe that was some motivation to get slimmed down too. (Actually, the notion that a kid fresh out of college, without even a full season of pro ball under his belt, already has a nickname well known among the fans, is something he should take as a compliment. Very few draftees are in that situation.)
In certain regards Barton (Daric, that is) is a pretty good comparable, or at least a cautionary tale. He is the guy you do NOT want Walrus to turn into, even though there are parallels at the early stage — born to hit, questions about defense, uncertainty where he will eventually play. And thus far he’s been a dud in the bigs, although there is still time. You sure don’t want Wallace going down that path.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 31, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
regarding the "Walrus" nickname
wasn’t that Cey’s nickname? We really can’t be using an ex-Cubs nickname for Wallace. So in support of Wallace, I say we come up with a new one before he makes it to the majors. I have faith that we can do it.
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
of course it was
I was just testing you.
Walrus, Penguin, they are all the same thing.
Geez, I think I started drinking too early in the day.
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it's 5pm somewhere dude, that's never too early
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Ah, the mold I was referencing was Walt’s throw in, I see what you’re saying.
I’ll be more than glad to call him Wally instead if he can stick at third until his arb years. I’d even gift him 10 bitch free errors.
Depending on the day, that’s generous.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
If he can stick at third and rake, I'll call him ...
… Walrus. Nicknames are for life, and this is a good one.
But I will also call for the franchise to pay him skadzillions when he hits arbitration. This guy has potential to be a BIG hitter. The more I see of him so far, the better I like what I see.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 1, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Barton's not really....
comparable to Wallace. Barton was still developing when the Cards traded him and had yet to show any power – he still hasn’t, for what it’s worth. Wallace is approaching “sure thing” territory and could outhit Barton this year if given the opportunity.
Well, we HOPE he's not comparable.
There are other differences too — HS vs. ASU, very different body types. The big question is, does the hitter-without-a-position label, which is the main similarity, lead to a risk that the wrong things will be done with Walrus? I hope not.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 31, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Resolutions
1. I resolve to mercilessly skewer the homers (yes – I’m talking about you, you know who you are – you know you read this blog) on KTRS and in the P-D more this year. However, instead of pure and utter bile about them, I will have more factual and reinforced bile. I mean seriously…the role of the press is to increase the public debate and keep the argument moving, not spoon feed us oatmeal.
2. Kidnap Joe Posnanski if he comes over for the All-Star game and force the KC Star to trade for Bernie and three single-A prospects. Just kidding.
3. Take in as many ballgames of opportunity that I can.
4. Not criticize Dan and Al, realizing that I am insanely jealous of their jobs (I mean, cm’on…watch baseball and talk about it?) and that jealousy manifests itself in sarcasm.
5. Never discuss Carp’s health. We shouldn’t keep perpetuating the hope that he may have an impact this year…we should just welcome it as a surprise if it happens.
6. Watch at least one game (in person, cable, etc.) of every MLB team.
7. Not get mad at Tony when he overmanages. Wow, that’s going to be hard.
8. Appreciate the fact that I live in StL more, even if the “baseball heaven” gimmick is stale.
9. Buy tickets to a game, just to give them to a kid.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by bukowski on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like number 5
I’ve decided that Chris Carpenter is like a $20 bill that you find in your pocket magically. It’s pretty sweet when you get it, but you better not plan to use a mythical $20 bill that you find in your pocket to buy groceries.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
great analogy
its too bad the team seems to be counting on him yet again
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
How many times have we seen...
…our neighbor to the north, the Flubbies, rely on Kerry Wood and Mark Prior to be starting horses for them and build their team accordingly, only to see them pitch partial or none-at-all seasons? My god, Carpenter has made 4 starts or something in two seasons, and it’s been one medical setback after another. This FO needs to realize that putting your eggs in the Carpenter basket is a very poor idea.
Like I said, he’s a $20 bill you magically find in your pocket…he’s no longer your grocery money.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome!
I am thrilled, just thrilled at this news. But, why on earth do they need Miles with Fontenot and DeRosa?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
2 years at $4.9M!
Unbelievable!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so that is why they needed to trade Marquis
those sly dogs!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
if that's what he would have cost us,
i’m not so sad to see him go.
i will miss him though. a few of my top moments of 2008 involved him…
plus there’s that tattoo of his face that i have to do something about now…
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
we can only hope they get rid of Derosa and replace him with miles
by FunkeeC on Dec 31, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade Rumors
Says Cleveland is about set to get DeRosa for 3 pitching prospects. Miles would then be utility guy/2B and Fontenot/Theriot would be the adjacent starters.
What this does mean though, is that with 3 young arms added to their roster, they improve their chances of getting Peavy.
Who knew, that a non-tendered Cardinal would be the potential keystone for the cubs getting Jake Peavy.
I truly hope I’m wrong.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
maybe miles will be their lefty hitting outfielder?
and tlr’s crazy september lineups will end up paying off.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I truly hope you are wrong, too
However, how could three arms surrendered in return for DeRose be of high enough value to bring back Peavy? Peavy is a far higher value than DeRosa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh I agree
I just remember the Pundits all saying that Chicago lacked the arms. I think they went bulk here over quality, and will spin those new arms and Vitters, plus maybe Marshall and/or Pie and/or a MI to S.D. and do a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 deal.
IMO, i think San Diego just wants something for him, and if any of combination of 3 or 4 new pitchers have near MLB ready, or high upside, then they’d probably do it. I don’t see any reason why the cubs would trade DeRosa and get Miles if they didn’t make up for the downgrade somewhere else—i.e. pitching.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pie
He would be that CFer mentioned in early reports. He is big league ready. Also, this would explain signing Joey Gathright by the Cubs. Quite a three-dimensional chess series of moves by the Cubbies. Hopefully their house of cards (if I may mix metaphors) collpases.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agree
If he pulls it off, I think Hendry did quite a bit here and am a bit impressed. He makes two signings (Gathright/Miles) and is apparently close to a “done-deal” per Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio with Milton Bradley. Then, he trades DeRosa away in the same day, and potentially sets up the biggest trade his org has seen in the last few years, maybe more.
This day will certainly change the dynamic of our hated-enemy.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
at least we can just hit it towards
Milton Bradley
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pie is big league ready to suck
He’s Corey Patterson-lite<—Note the Miller spelling, he’s that not-good.
Not afraid to nitpick
are any of those
3 pitchers for DeRosa much in the way of prospects? I can understand the Padres still trading Peavy, but not for a bunch of not very good prospects. I suppose the Cubs probably are not going to trade those 3 to San Diego, but I still don’t get this whole thing.
Maybe it is just better that I am confused.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I'm confused too.
Jeff Stevens is a close to ML ready arm-looks like a nice addition, but not a spectacular addition. The others are way too far off to know anything yet.
I think it frees up money for the Cubs to sign Bradley.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Somewhere in California
Tony LaRussa is weeping softly.
by cardsgirl95 on Dec 31, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to admit it
but I am weeping softly. Irrational , I know. I suppose sometimes you just get used to someone when you know you shouldn’t. A year ago I would have been dancing at this news.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 31, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
first Jim
now Aaron… what is this world coming to?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
They will sign Pinero next year
or will they still sign izzy this year
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 1, 2009 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hah!!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
so when kennedy hits his traditional
double play ground ball can Miles please be the SS? (crosses fingers)
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Scrappy McScraperson
I’m sad to see him go. He always looked like Fievel from American Tail…
But, he was a badass – that whole intruder ass-kicking made him worth his salt in my opinion.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
Terms
According to the Halos’ Official Site:
Per club policy, no financial terms of the contract will be released.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I wouldn’t doubt it if the final terms weren’t that far off our offer for him. I did see however, the inclusion of some sort of option, albeit club, mutual, or vesting.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Final Terms per Olney at ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3802316
The Angels and left-hander Brian Fuentes agreed to a two-year, $17.5 million contract. The contract includes a club option for the 2011 season.
Fuentes will $8.5 million for 2009 and $9 million for 2010, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney. The contract includes a $9 million vesting option for 2011, based on games finished.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fuentes is Officially an Angel
Well, I have to say I knew it was coming, by the non-response from Fuentes to the STL offer.
Please MO, sign Hoffman to a one year deal, have him teach Motte and Perez how to throw a breaking ball, and have the better one close next season. Spend the remaining cash DeWitt will allow on an SP and let’s have a great year that sets up a promising future.
Or, teach them a change-up
Isn’t that Hoff’s signature pitch?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i don't think hoff is going
to teach anyone a breaking ball, matter in fact, I’d say it would be perez teaching him.
I don’t even see Hoff teaching our guys anything, I think he’d collect a check playing ball — I just can’t see him playing mentor to a couple of StL guys.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
just curious, but why not?
I think he’s just the guy STL/TLR would look to—HOF pitcher who’s excelled in one area our youth lacks (change up) and fills the short-term need to fit our long-term plan.
Mo could had Hoffman and another Lefty and/or Springer and have a very decent pen. That would leave 8-10 maybe 12 million to throw at an SP.
It’s all my opinion, but I think it’s a sound, intelligent plan that works within the means/confines of our organization’s decision-makers.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion, if you’re going to teach the kids any pitch, teach Motte the splitter. Now that would be a nice pitch for him to have. I don’t see either one of them getting a league average, let alone a hoff like changeup.
If anything, if you want to teach them how to pitch instead of throw, get Matty Mo into a deal like Walker has had in the batting cages and assign him to their hip. There’s your mentor without the roster spot. Matty Mo was last seen in Jupiter .
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
i do like your MattyMo idea
and hope that’s the case. Personally, I do think a lot of guys benefitted from having Springer’s experience on the road and in the clubhouse all year, so I think there’s added value to the use of the Roster Spot.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
for Springer, yes.
I’d rather not give a closer ‘vet’ in Tony’s hands so he can ignore the boys if the vet can’t go the job.
Tony won’t, and clearly as we’ve seen this past year, put Springer in a closers role.
Thus my point.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
do* the job..
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I read this as "spitter"
which might not be a bad idea either.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
a cutter, something..
with as straight and hard as that fastball is, something that has some movement will snap bats.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
agree on the splitter
Was it you who was gung-ho about getting Sutter and Motte together? I would love for that to happen in ST. Motte with an average splitter would a fun thing to watch.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no, but I think Motte needs a movement pitch and a splitter, cutter seems like something that would package well with his fastball.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
why wouldn't he teach them?
in every corner of the world (corporate, academia, etc.), “experts” or “veterans” are used to contribute sound, experienced opinions/efforts as well as be a mentor and source of information for “less-experienced assets”. Just because these guys make millions of dollars a year, it doesn’t mean they’re assholes.
If I’m misreading your message, then apologies, but I think I’m on what your getting at.
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying Hoffman is an asshole. But I feel that he’s just around because he just wants to pitch. I personally don’t see him coming in and mentoring up both boys on how to handle the late innings. I don’t even believe he can do it better than they could.
I’d rather put the money that he would cost into something else altogether, if it’s Hoffman or the boys – I’d take the boys anyday.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
if it's either-or, i'm with you on that boat,
but the thought I was hoping to convey, is that since the FO wants to add a closer with experience, and TLR has indicated his allegiance to this school of thought, then I think Hoffman is the best possible match available. Even if he were added, I could still see YP or Applesauce getting a large bulk of the saves (or both).
by timmycardinals on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
and i don’t.
If we get Hoff, he’ll close, even when he’s not effective. Izzy did so while clearly broken down. Lesson learned.
You can’t get upset at a boy with matches if you give him the matches. So let’s not.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
you are making too much sense
Just get another damn lefty reliever to make Tony happy,Sheets, and if possible Springer, and let’s get ST here already!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
indeed, springer and sheets would make me thrilled.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I dont mind this
Yeah, I could have talked myself into liking Fuentes in StL, but I dont really care that hes somewhere else.
He was never going to come here anyway since he wanted LA.
Seems like an awfully lot of players seem to not want to come here for whatever reasons
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
three i can think of
Fuentes
Randy Johnson
Pettite a couple of years ago.
I dont fault anyone for this and these guys certainly have their reasons, I just miss the days when St. Louis was kind of considered a good place to play and players wanted to be here
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think those guys were anti stl
fuentes wanted a california team, johnson wanted a western team that had spring training in arizona, and pettite didn’t want to play against the astros the year after he just got done playing for them. None of those 3 seem to be the cardinals fault
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
thats kind of what im getting at though
I dont think anyone is anti stl, but I just dont think we are considered much of a “destination” anymore.
no one really wants to sign here, no one thinks “If I sign with StL I stand a good chance of winning the series”
and obviously no one is going to sign here for money reasons
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
don't think those days are gone...
I just think these particular cases were cali bound
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
It's interesting
I went over to bleedcubbieblue.com to check out the Miles-related traffic over there, and a lot of their posters seem intrigued by Miles’ versatility…
By versatility, I hope they mean he is willing to stand at 3 infield positions and take up space b/c, well, someone has to play there.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions
DeRosa = Versatile
Miles = 2B
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If the Cubs are dealing DeRosa, they need to understand they are really going to miss him.
If Cleveland gets him, I bet they use him as their regular second baseman. They’ll just move their current infielders one spot over to the left.
Wow! Aaron Miles is a Cub! That’s a tough one to swallow, and I was never that much of a Miles fan……
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
can we turn around now and get DeRosa
our 2B problems will be solved. Hell, we can rummage up some prospects that are better than anything the Indians gave for DeRosa.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Hey, if we knew the Cubs wanted Miles, we could have tried to get De Rosa from them.
Could have signed him and flipped him to them.
Ha! Shapiro probably never hung up the phone when they dangled De Rosa-the Twins were trying to get him too. Clog up the phone line so the Twins couldn’t get through……
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
interesting day for the Cubs
dealing derosa may be a case of “selling high” since he put up career best numbers in runs, triples, homers, RBI, SBs, BBs, (SOs), total bases, OBP, SLG, and of course OPS. Also amusingly HBP. His OPS this past season was over 100 points better than his prior career average. Certainly his Oquendo-esque super sub status they will miss, especially if he’s going to be replaced by Miles.
do they start Fontenot at 2B? Miles? either way unless they keep Cedeno, who is a PTBNL in waiting, they don’t really have a bakup MI who can play short.
And is the Betty deal a done deal? Reports I’ve seen are just rumors.
good point
I think they are selling high – he’s older and more likely to fall off than get better.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
Also buying high
With Miles, they are buying a guy who is 32-years-old, coming off his best offensive season in which he hit 24 points over his previous career high BA, and 34 points over his previous career high OBP. His OPS+, which was still under 100 last season, was 22 points over his career average. His wOBA was 27 points over his career average. What’s more, he is the classic TLR “dull” utility knife. He can only legitimately play one position defensively, and that’s second base.
I agree that they are selling high with DeRosa, but they are also buying high with Miles and getting a lot less in value offensively, defensively, and utilitarianly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's a good deal for the Indians though.
Even though they bought high; even if De Rosa regresses a bit, he’s still a good hitter. It allows them to sort out their infield for another season, gives them a guy they can use wherever they want, and cost them pitching they didn’t really need right now-they have several similiar arms already in their system. They don’t have to go after O. Hudson or O. Cabrera now and tie up payroll for several years. De Rosa’s contract ends after this season. If they aren’t going anywhere, they can trade him to another team before the deadline. Oh, and the Twins were trying to get him too. I like this move for the Indians. Time will tell if it pans out.
For the Cubs, it looks like a salary dump. They will not get from Miles what they got in De Rosa. I also don’t think this is the end of their dealing. Certainly there is more to come….
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
it's funny how it works
the teams that can buy high on a guy like Miles, do
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought I'd do this
But I’m going to help the cubbies out and give them his users manual.

There may not be anything worth $4.9M in it but I’m sure they’ll find some useful tips.
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by That's a Winner on Dec 31, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they like him creamy or al dente?
I wonder if they use instant grits or just the regular grits?
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
yes!
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hilarious
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
So long, Grit

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What a crazy day
Fuentes signs with the Angels
The Cubs sign Miles, so they can move DeRosa (and Marquis?) to make room for someone, probably Bradley
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this is the most baseball action I can ever remember on a new year's eve
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
sorry to hear about that
for me 2008 was a shitty year. I cant wait for 2009
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's just getting the crappy stuff out of the way in 2008
So there’s nothing except sunshine and smiles in 09.
Sorry about the job situation. best of luck.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Sorry about your fiancee
2009 isn’t starting off that well for me either. Oddly enough I had an employee quit without notice yesterday. That’s not a joke, I’ve been calling people all morning setting up interviews. It may be a joke that someone trusts me with a staff but that’s another story. Hope things get better for you and your fiancee.
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by That's a Winner on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
so um...
Would that job be ion the greater st. louis area and require a photographer with advertising and middle management experience?
Wish I could help out
But unless they’ve added east Texas to the greater St. Louis area she would have one hell of a commute.
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by That's a Winner on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
At least Hendry
is showing creativity and really working to make the Cubs a winner. Mozeliak seems content to vegetate and wait for that infamous low-hanging and almost certainly bruised fruit to fall in his lap. I suspect when it does it will turn out to be garbage. I’m completely unimpressed with his uninspired and uninspiring efforts during this offseason.
the problem with that is the Cubs arnt just trading Derosa to make room for miles
they are trading away Derosa and Marquis and bringing in Bradley (or MAYBE Peavy) and Miles
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Best laid plans...
Let’s see what happens. It’s not going to do any good to do this and not get anyone.
how so?
I understand the idea, I just dont know if its going to happen this year.
what player is going to be available later on for cheap thats going to put this team “over the top” or make us a legit competator with the Cubs?
Garland
Wolf…?
Izzy
Hoffman?
because thats whats going to be left
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, I know about Loshe
but how often does an absolute gift like that realistically happen?
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
it isn't even January
and well over 100 FAs are still available. Isn’t it a bit soon to be pulling this “WE ARE GOING TO GET NOTHING” crap out already?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
get off it,
im not saying “WE ARE GOING TO GET NOTHING”
Im saying we are going to get some leftover crap.
Who is left that’s going to make up the difference b/t us and the Cubs this year that we can afford?
thats all im saying.
Im saying if we are going to go forth with this strategy of wait until the very end, we arnt going to get the pick of the litter and we do risk getting left out.
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I guess heres where im coming from
Im not one to complain, whine and bitch about the Cards, their moves and their non moves.
Im sure thats funny to some of you reading my posts today.
I know I havent been around VEB for that long, but ive been over at the PD place for long time now.
Im usually the guy SAYING “FFS stop complaining its only Jan” or “we cant afford that guy”
Ive defended the Cards for years, saying “so what if they didnt sign so and so, they are saving money for the trade deadline…”
im not the guy saying Sign Manny or the Ace pitcher de jour, but year after year of the same excuses and the same off seasons/deadlines do take a toll.
im just getting to the point where im tired of seeing our team gamble on every deal or converting players to other positions or complaining about the price of free agents.
Yeah its gone up and its ridiculous, but at some point you have to stop complaining about the price of a stamp in 1932 or whatever and get on with your life…
again I appologize for being so cynical and bitching up a storm ;-)
im sure its annoying
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think P-D has converted you :(, slow release?
Read my P-D rant above, it covers the general tone.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
in a year like last year?
not likely.
this year? very likely.
no one except the top dogs/thin positions have moved.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
i understand
to me its too bad we don’t need an OF this year.
This year would certainly be the year to grab that on the cheap.
I know there are a lot of closers out there, but none of the ones left are going to be an upgrade on what we have already.
Most are really old guys losing their stuff or injured guys who lost their jobs and are just middle relievers now that have experience closing.
and the starting pitching thats going to be left over isnt going to be much of an upgrade either.
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
do we really want Dunn or Manny?
I mean, I’m trying to meet you in the middle.
Closers, agreed. Which is why I advocate using the boys.
There are a few SP out there.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
no, but what im saying is this is a good year for bargains on decent OFs
not that we need one
but it wasnt a good year for bargains on 2b, ss.
You could say its a good one for closers (personally I dont think we REALLY needed one) but all the really good ones are gone at this point.
and personally, aside from Sheets, Pettite (maybe) and Perez (if hes really lucky) there arnt any real difference makers available at SP left right now.
there are some decent LHP though
(hold on a sec, ill explain where im coming from in the next post but it might take a min)
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
ok
for a couple of years now weve been hearing and saying 2009, 2009, 2009.
the kids were supposed to be ready and money was coming off the books.
We were supposed to come out blazing and trying to really win, infact the front office said it was going to be aggressive ect, this was going to be the offseason where the Cards finally backed up all their talk.
(I didnt expect them to back it up before because we were rebuilding and they couldnt come out and say that though…but this was the year).
Well its here and its looking like more of the same.
I dont expect us to get top flight FA’s like Sabathia or Tex (not that we could play him anywhere) but I did expect us to make a decent effort and actually do something more than waiting for Wolfs price to come down.
I thought this year we would be a player and not an alsoran.
what have we done so far?
got greene. This guy could be good. Hes coming from a pitchers park and a HORRIBLE year. he has never really been a great player all around but he has some potential. Who knows if he can fulfill it this year. But its another gamble.
we signed about 3-4 possible LHP, none of them are really any good and the best one is hurt.
we brought Loshe back after a career year and paid him pretty well, I dont know if he can pitch that well again. But he could.
We have Ludwick that had an amazing year that no one expects him to repeat
and once again we are hoping carp comes back.
it just looks to me like they were reneging on their promises:
they didnt want to give the kids a chance and they didnt really want to spend to make us a really threat.
This was going to be the year where they proved their commitment and they just havent shown much. I know there is a lot of offseason left but its frustrating seeing the guys who really could make a difference disappearing “from the board”
I know weve had some bad breaks like Fuentes not wanting to be here (OK, I didnt expect us to get him and im kind of glad hes not), or Johnson wanting to be elsewhere.
but this team just baffles me sometimes.
they tried to trade Ludwick for Holliday, they tried to sign Krod and Fuentes, they said they had no interest in Johnson…not that he didnt want to play here, that “he isnt what we are looking for”
they want to be aggressive, but pick “low hanging fruit”
they want to get a pitcher on a one year deal but dont offer looper arb?
It all seems to contradict themselves
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
but
did fuentes really get more from the halos than we offered? seems not
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
he gets cali, and if he hits his innings, his 3rd year option vests.
we didn’t want any part of that third year, and he couldn’t get the third year guaranteed from them.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
oh, and Lowe
but I dont see us making a real play for him anyway.
its seems like all the guys that are left, that the cards could get are all 4th 5th pitchers, and thats not going to make us a winner.
I just wish they would come out and say they were rebuilding and the only real help we are going to get is through the system.
I could wait if they just said it.
thats fine, I could wait for Wallace and Kozma et all…
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
alright, I’ll reply here since there’s a considerable amount to reply to.
First, Greene’s worst is right around Iz’s career norms. So there’s nothing but upside there. And it practically cost us nothing in terms of trade peices (assuming on the PTBNL)
Secondly, two out of three of the lefties shows like they may have something. Miller has something, but he pitched through it last year without issue (his stats actually got better as the year went on). What they found relates to a surgery that he had years ago. So it’s quite possible he’s been pitching fine and we got a ‘gotcha’ discount.
Lohse is either here or there, price is borderline, so who knows if it’ll be a good deal. 7m for next year won’t be hard to be worth though, since 2009 is what you’re pointing to.
Nothing says that Ludwick can’t have the same year he had last year. Really. If you look at his stats one could play the case of being unlucky if you can believe that. Do I think he’ll play like he did? Quite possible, we’ll see.
Kennedy is dramaless this year since he’s the starter, which is a good thing.
But, here’s two points I want to repsond to, the rest is just this and that…
No one said that we’re planning on Carp, or banking on him or whatever. We haven’t said anything in regards to being done on the pitching front. Assumptions this far from Opening Day isn’t fair to yourself or the team.
Secondly, and more importantly. You can’t get riled up over not being aggressive. Think about it for a second, did you really…. really think that the market would look like it does now? At all? If so you knew more than most of us.
Actually, if you look at the situation it appears that we were aggressive early (Lohse, LHPs, active in numerous trade talks) but then look at the market. We backed off. We shouldn’t set our own prices and compete against ourselves.
And you can’t get worked up over the front office changing approach based on the market. You don’t break dance during a tango, meaning you either approach the song with the right dance, or you get some punch. We’re doing a little of both. Right now it’s a good thing.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is just my opinion
but I really think the championship in 2006 was meeting the “goal” for this ownership that they set out for in 1996 and they are satisified. They are going to reap in the rewards of the All-Star Game this year and then get ready to go into “sell the team mode” in 2010.
I could be totally wrong…but my gut feeling is the Dewitt’s are prepping themselves to get out of the baseball business and to get ready to cash in their big investment they made in 1995.
I’m sure they want the fans to think that they are going to field a competitive team for 2009-2010….but that isn’t their priority now. At least that’s the feeling I am getting.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
unless DeWitt castrates the spending budget (which despite rumors he has said he wouldn’t do), or unless DeWitt injects himself in between Mo’s job, it really doesn’t apply to who Mo fields this year. in my opinion.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Can you offer some evidence
that DeWitt & friends are really interested in getting out of baseball? Quotes in published interviews? 2nd or even 3rd-hand remarks from people who know some of the owners? This theory is a hobbyhorse of a few posters over at the PD boards and I’m just mystified. I have no doubt that DeWitt is a bottom-line oriented guy, but at the same time there is no denying that baseball is a lifelong passion for him. And he’s the principal owner of the St. Louis Cardinals, which for a guy with his baseball pedigree and attachment, is about the sweetest life you can imagine!
And in the recession we’ll be fighting through for god knows how long, what is his incentive to sell? Like everything else, I’m sure the value of a MLB team has probably dropped by 20 percent in the last 6 months, so why dump it now?
I can understand being afraid that the owners will sell to some knucklehead who will either run the team into the ground or move it away from STL (though I can’t really see any sound bidness justification for that), but I’ve yet to see any actual evidence that the principal owners have any desire to sell. Really, if I’m missing some major story here, please set me straight.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 31, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no evidence
I have tried to show in my posts that it was “my opinion” or “gut feeling”. That’s all… nothing more to it.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
He has a plan
which is lot more complex than the simplistic 1 for 1 moves that seem to be about Mo’s limit when he gets around to them at a rate of about one a year. For him it’s always one player at a time, most of which he doesn’t get anyway. Hendry makes multiple moves, each laying the groundwork for the next, but that sort of creativity hasn’t been the Cardinal way for a long time.
i kind of agree
not to knock MO
he certainly did well with this approach last year with Loshe (who was a gift that fell into his lap, really who in their right minds could expect that again?)
I see what he is doing, and I think he could possibly get bargains on whatever is leftover, but that said beggars cant be choosers. There is no telling what guys will be left over for a “good deal” when its our time to pick the fruit.
We might be getting a great deal on someone awful like Izzy or Garland, or whatever is leftover.
Or the great deals might be on players we dont need or dont have a position for.
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
sorry for being blunt…
but I believe it was Walt’s “creativity” that fucked us over last year.
Glaus? Mo
Luddy? Mo
Lohse? Mo
Mulder? Not Mo
Carp? Not Mo.
Ank? Mo (removing edmonds)
Lopez? Mo (yes, he was worth his cost for the time he was here)
KMac? Mo
How many other teams are movers thus far? Seriously?
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
many teams have gotten players now, Yankees, Mets, Angels, San Francisco, Dodgers, Indians, Cubs,
any possibly more that I just cant think of.
Its not a matter of which teams are making moves to me but which players are still available for us to pick up?
I mean the leftys out there are still pretty much as they were at the begining of the offseason
but the starting pitchers are really thinning.
I know we would never get a CC or whatever but i doubt we are players for Sheets or Perez (for money reasons) whats that leave?
Pettite, maybe, wolf pretty awful, garland terrible…
What else is out there at this point?
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
and i didnt post any of this to knock MO
and I never blamed him for taking the team out of contention in the first place fwiw
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
that wasn't a reply to you
but we’ve gotten greene, a few lefties, lohse
we have glut in 5 positions (3b, OF, RHP (relief))
we haven’t exactly sat on our hands.
any rumor that you really wanted? I sure didn’t Fuentes, KRod, Holliday, Johnson can all stay with their respective teams/new teams
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
ank was probably WJ
he was the one who suggested that Ank move to the OF, in the first place. Otherwise Ank would be tending bar in south florida telling girls he used to be a ballplayer.
The rest was all mo, though i disagree about Floppy being worth it.
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I'll miss Miles
But his contribution to the team can probably be replaced by someone in the organization currently. I am starting to get worried though – the Cardinals need to make a move yet seem complacent not to do so…
Better to make no move than a bad move
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
if I could rec this twenty times I would
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
this is a great thought...
if the only two choices were
1) make no move
2) make a bad move
but thats just not the case
this organization has all of us thinking that every possible move is a bad one, or anyone good is too expensive, and its all kind of BS
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by jealousblues on Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
they most certainly do not
that might be the interpretation of some, but it certainly does not have us all thinking that way
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don’t think that way
Fuentes wanted a 3rd year, we wouldn’t go past 2 years. He got a vesting third.
We stood firm, held ground, and put value on a player and stood by it.
That’s exactly what we should be doing.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
"We can push more antiboitics
but that’ll destroy her kidneys."
“If we don’t fight the infection, she’ll die.”
“Death is worse.”
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Was I supposed to laugh at that?
Because I did…does that make me an awful person?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
no
that face in your avatar does
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
You don't like the Albert Pujols mask commercial face?
I get a kick out of it!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Evil Albert is the awesome
if he wore that every time he goes to the plate, the pitchers would need a change of pants.
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by gdm426 on Dec 31, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like it
I was trying to make a joke
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
if the team is only going to shell out average money for average players
the team is going to be average. Which is what we are.
if everyone is fine with that, OK, but I wish the Cards would just come out and say it.
I mean right not we are shooting for guys like Wolf and Garland, but whats that going to do for this team really?
At one point we didnt consider ourself a second division team, at one point we brought in players like Edmonds and Rolen who made a difference. Now we dont want to bring those guys in, thats fine.
But be honest about it.
at one time this team added talent to get better and try to win the division, now it seems like we want to tread water.
this team has self limited the guys they will bring in to the Wolf, Garland, Hoffman, Greene type middle to lower rung players and it will keep us a decent enough baseball team. We wont be the Pirates or the Padres or whatever, and that rout wont make us the Mariners or the Mets of yesteryear either but its not going to make us consistent division winners.
Its clear that the finances of baseball have passed us by and we arnt going to try to compete and I guess we are just going to have to wait for the kids in a couple more years, still.
Again I wish they would just be honest about it, or freaking consistant.
they dont want to spend money,buy they dont give the kids a chance either (Perez, Motte) and they refuse to offer arbitration.
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I really think you should consider decaf
First, Rolen and Edmonds were both mid-season acquisitions, not off-season free agent signings. The trade market hasn’t really even started yet and won’t until the free agents thin out some more. I am not sure of your source, but I haven’t seen any indication that the Cardinals are pursuing Wolf, Garland, or Hoffman. In fact, they have publicly denied any interest in Hoffman.
Running out and buying WARs at retail on the free agent market is a recipe for mediocrity. Unless they can get a real difference maker at an affordable price they are better off to see what is available via trade. That said, there are still a couple of SPs like Sheets and Lowe that could possibly be worthwhile as the market continues to decline.
Just chill and let the man do his job. He hasn’t really screwed anything up yet.
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Edmonds was offseason
After an injury-shortened 1999, Walt flipped AK and Bottenfield for Jimmy Edmonds and the rest, as they say, is history.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
With Miles and Fuentes off the radar
GO SIGN BEN SHEETS!
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 3:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ain't happenin'
So who is on the radar after that?!?
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
No one
Except old retreads, ala ‘LaRussa Specials’.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't that be
Duncan specials?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Pitcher specific
that’s true. General subject, that’s LaRussa.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
What's left
SP:
Still might be able to be above average
Ben Sheets
Andy Pettitte
Derek Lowe
Average pitchers on their best days
Braden Looper
Randy Wolf
Paul Byrd
Jon Garland
Oliver Perez
Injured hasbeens that might not even be able to pitch
Freddy Garcia
Jason Jennings
Esteban Loaiza
Pedro Martinez
John Smoltz
Curt Schilling
Mark Mulder
Carl Pavano
So yeah, Ben Sheets or bust.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Since DeWitt is more concerned about the economy
….he thinks there will be less than 3 million fans at the park this year (according to that P-D piece last week) and also (in my opinion) I think they are prepping the team so they can sell it in a year or two.. I think the Injured hasbeens is about all we can expect. The front office reached their goal in 2006 and they are in the process of moving to another goal right now. And that goal doesn’t involve October baseball in St. Louis. That’s the feeling I’m getting. I could be wrong..wouldn’t be the first time.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Why waste money on the hasbeens
when Ben Sheets will probably be looking for a 1 year deal anyways to get his value back up. Overspend for a 1 year contract, then offer him arbitration.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I would much rather have Sheets than more dumpster diving. But so far the writing is on the wall that ownership is not really concerned about putting together a team that can compete for a playoff spot. Bill is trying to throw the “bad economy” as a excuse to not take on more salary in my opinion because they are in the early stages putting the team up for sale. I don’t see any other reason why they (ownership) are going this route because they should know that this fanbase won’t take “excuses” for too long of a period of time. One more year of the Cubs dominating the division will not settle well with the season ticket holders and a majority of the fanbse…one would think.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
DeWitt hasn’t said anything that any other owner isn’t saying/thinking at the moment anyways, owner, gm et all are all singing the same tune, driving down prices. Except the NY teams, but as we know, they beat to their own drum.
Walking away from contending so you can sell? Oooook.
Can we not do the “DeWallet”, “DeCheap” /CardsTalk type of stuff here?
We have 4 months until the season starts. Labeling DeWitt/Mo et all isn’t fair by all accounts.
I mean, it’s like me giving you hell for putting in for the blinds on a poker game, except I have no idea what you’re holding and there’s no flop yet. Can we wait till April to start hammering these themes at least?
Rest assured if this is what our team looks like in April, I’ll be signing a similar tune, but on Dec 31st it really doesn’t make sense, at all.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Look
I DID NOT SAY “DeWallet” or “DeCheap” I stated my opinion that I THINK they are prepping the team for sale. I don’t know that they are..it’s just a gut feeling that I decided to share on this board. I know you have 100% full support as to whatever the front office does. But that doesn’t mean I can’t give my opinions too even if some are a little negative.
I really think you like snipping at every conceived “negative” post about what the team is doing. Sorry but I can’t just stick my head in the sand and think everything is great. I am a die-hard Cardinal fan.. and I also feel I can speak some negatives about them as well if I feel that way. I know the off season isn’t over, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be a little upset and say how I feel. And right now I feel that the team isn’t filling the spots they need to make us a contender. I hope I don’t feel the same way in April.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
i'm scarred we're going to get LOOP, Garland or nothing off that list
not that LOOP scares me, they just should have offered him ARB & been done with it already. but i can totally see The Grand Wizard Dunk convincing MO he can turn Garland into a 20game winner. now that scares me.
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I'd rather have Looper than Garland
I just hope he’s not pissed that they didn’t offer him arb
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny
i remember how exciting it was, the first year that we broke 3M attendance at the old busch stadium… can’t remember the year, somewhere between 82 and 85, but {the dude who is now an anchor but used to be a sportscaster? mike bush?) was on every night urging fans to come out to try to set the record…
Now we’re looking at 3M as some kind of pathetic “low number”. Fascinating.
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Your forgeting the imports
There’s still Koji Uehara and Kenshin Kawakami on the market. Not sure where they fit on your list but they won’t cost as much as Sheets or Lowe and we keep our draft pick.
I hope that Yadel Marti is on their radar, or at least for his sake someone’s radar. Although I’ve seen reports that Marti might not be eligible to play in ’09. It would be a shame because I think he might be the best import since Dice-K.
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by That's a Winner on Dec 31, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
What is Pedro asking for?
does anyone know what Petey’s wants contract wise? Although looking at his numbers from last year he was not at all good and only average in 2006…I think Smoltzy is the best bet from that bottom list…i would take him after a shoulder surgery than any of those other guys…
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He doesn't pitch until July
which really doesn’t help us much.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I might have said this before somewhere
SIGN BEN SHEETS!!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply actions
+1
but for a 1, 2 max year deal. nothing absurd.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions
yeah
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
We need to make a trade
I can see a different track to take. I see three quality players that could be difference makers still on the free agent market. Lowe could be a good three/four and by eating innings help make the bullpen more effective. But I think he’s barely worth the money he will end up getting. Next is Manny. If he is not off in la la land and actually wants to play, he is a scary hitter and is worth the money the dodgers have offered. The third is the one I think we should go after, Adam Dunn. 40 hr, good obp and reputation as very good mistake hitter with a great eye. This would set the team up to protect Albert the way Tony wants, and put together a very attractive trade package to go after a quality starter, perhaps one of the Giants. This is the way I see us maximizing our money. Dunn could be had at a reasonable price. We could trade Ankiel, Skip and a nice list of prospects to go after Cain. Still would have outfield of Dunn in left, Rasmus in center and Luddy in right with Mather on the bench. The main reason I’m thinking this way is that I just don’t see a difference making pitcher in free agency.
victim of the sixties
by victim of the sixties on Dec 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions
depends
on what you offer. giants just signed randy johnson. lots of speculation the signing could lead them to trade johnathan sanchez. they are supposed to get noah lowery back. that’s a lot of good starters, don’t forget that before lowery got hurt he was really good. giants have spent quite a lot this year and are reaching their cap. they have a pitiful offense. cards could put together a pretty attractive hitting package. also they need first baseman and if duncan is healthy, he could become their cleanup hitter overnight.
victim of the sixties
by victim of the sixties on Dec 31, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
was that a Duncan to SF trade joke?
because if it was, I have to admit I laughed. I suppose they still do need one of those.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
well, duncan + phelps
and they already have phelps, which makes it an even beter deal for us.
c’mon mo, git’r’dun.
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
say no to Manny or Dunn
they are not good outfielders, and we don’t have a small OF (not to mention, we already have 20 outfielders)
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lowe
is about to sign with the Mets, another team that is working to improve and not waiting for rotten fruit.
Not quite
A source familiar with the negotiations told the Boston Globe that free agent Derek Lowe is likely to continue shopping for a more desirable offer than the Mets’ three-year, $36 million proposal.
3/40 with a vesting option for 4?
Not afraid to nitpick
huh?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
that isn't funny
actually it is, considering he is still on the Memphis active roster
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no, that's not funny at all
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
buddum
ching!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
looking forward to seeing miles
pitch in Cubbie blue.
Hyperventilating prospect geek
Future Redbirds
2 years - $18 M
that’s what the Cardinals offered Brian Fuentes. That was real money the Cardinals slotted into their budget that they intended to spend. How can you spend that?
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 31, 2008 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Ben Sheets is patiently waiting on line 2 MO
just sayin
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Last post of the year for me...
…Going out with the family to a neighbor’s PG-13 rated Christmas Eve party. I wish everyone a safe and happy New Year! Go Cards!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions
if it's a christmas eve party
have one for me! it’s my bday all over again
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 31, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Shit..
…last post of the year and I boned it…it was supposed to say New Year’s Eve Party. Good one me…
Ok, this is really it, because I’m typing this on the way out of the door!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 31, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’m apallingly bad at sticking to my resolutions. The only time I’ve ever come even close to sticking to them was a couple of years ago, when I resolved to take up smoking and play more guitar-based video games. And to be perfectly honest, I didn’t even do a very good job of sticking to those. I am, at best, an occasional smoker, and my Fisher Price plastic axe skills, while fairly well developed, are certainly not of the level one would refer to as ‘awe-inspiring’.
Well, trb, here’s hoping 2009 brings you tons of Gold Stars with your faux-guitar jamming.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Happy New Year VEB
i wish you all health, wealth & happiness for all your days, but especially for the new year.
and of course health & big hits, huge K’s for our Birds. and especially a Cardinals 11th Championship.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
broke up with the gf of 3+ years today
the whole reason i asked my employer to move me to this frigging city. Booo. Sadly, it’ll be 2-3 years before I can get another transfer.
Resolution is to indulge in much more culture (IE, more baseball games/metal concerts/opera etc) in 2009, instead of wasting my time at “the yard house” etc, and hang out with more blondes (ex is syrian, ie, brunette + crazy, booo).
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
eh, redondo beach
sucks, i know.
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
Kicking this about......
Trade Ankiel, Perez, and Kennedy to the Mets for
J.J. Putz, Pedro Felicianio, and Luis Castillo.
The Mets would get their Corner OF, 8th inning guy, and 2B, and we would fill our holes. I’m not crazy at all about Castillo, but I would love to have Putz, who is not happy about not being a closer.
Or is it too soon to consider moving Perez?
Hmmm...
So we would give up an outfielder with enough power to make him an above average player, a young reliever who should be able to close this year and be cheap for about the next five years, and one of the best defenders at second base in 2008 for a very good but also very expensive closer with big time injury concerns, a decent LOOGY, and the shell of what used to be Luis Castillo?
I think I’ll pass.
It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.
by the red baron on Jan 1, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, it is too soon.
A better-than-average late-innings guy (I am one of those people who believe that the best reliever should be used in the most important settings, not necessarily in the 9th inning) who’s cost-controlled is way too much of an asset to move in a deal like this.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 1, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
just in case anyone's wondering
I have the worst case of hiccups right about now, happy new year day
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 5:55 AM EST reply actions
OMG so did i! i finally got rid of them after almost an hour.
i crap you not dude. i got a killer headache from them now too. hence the late/early posting. i can’t sleep.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
best way to get rid of hiccups
(and this has worked EVERY time I’ve had hiccups, since getting the tip from a crazy german lady in Tennessee in like 1998) is to take a glass of water, light a match, drop the match in the water and then down the glass. It’s actually pretty awesome, how the hiccups just “dableiben”.
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
so do you drink the match?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
He said
down the glass. I think you ingest the water, the match, and the glass.
by spants on Jan 2, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, just the water.
i think it’s the smoke from the dying match that does it. Drinking the water just causes you to breathe through your nose, causing whatever it causes to happen to happen. It’s magic, seriously.
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

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