How they've done so far
This will, of course, provide lots of fodder for all the Yankee-bashers out there to get a couple more licks in.
My thoughts on the teams who’ve had the best offseasons so far:
- Yankees – how could you NOT begin here? They’ve caught the 2 biggest fish in the pond + A.J. Burnett and gave up next to nothing for Nick Swisher. Yes, they’ve spent a ton of money – nearly $400 M – but next year’s payroll is actually going to decline. Maybe all those execs who complain about "the evil empire" will decide to decline all the luxury tax and revenue-sharing money coming their way courtesy of the Yankees – you think? Swisher is the prototypical 3 true outcomes player but he provides youth, positional flexibility, power, and on-base ability and they got him for Wilson Betemit and a couple of subway tokens. They’ve surely added 10 wins to their team as a result of their bounty.
- Rays – the guys over at BtB said it better than I could -- here and here. The Rays have managed to stay true to who they are – they’re getting even younger, they found at least a part-time RF, opened up a spot for David Price in their rotation, and did it w/o trading Kazmir, Shields, Garza, or Sonnastine. In essence, they got better – and younger – in RF and in the starting rotation by trading the SP they most wanted to trade. Beat that!
- Athletics – they got better in a hurry and, w/ the Angels sliding, appear poised to make a run at the AL West. Say what you want about Matt Holliday’s career splits on the road – and they’ve been analyzed to death here – he’s probably a 5-6 win player who makes Oakland better instantly. The timing was perfect, but the package (from the A’s perspective) was really good as well. They gave up only 1 player – Carlos Gonzalez – they might really have any use for and, if they don’t win or aren’t competitive, can spin Holliday for a solid package at the trade deadline or hang on to him until the offseason and collect the two draft picks.
- Mets – I know, putting both New York teams on this list is enough to make some of you vomit but you have to like how the Mets have improved this offseason. Their biggest hole was in the pen and they addressed it in spades by acquiring K-Rod and J.J. Putz. Yes, both players are injury risks but they also provide a sort of hedge against the other’s injury. They signed K-Rod for much less than what he was looking for and what many thought he might get and traded nothing useful in the 12-player deal that included Putz. Of course, both are earning too much money but they’re the Mets and they’re moving into a new stadium. They can handle it.
- Mariners – it’s good to see a previously dysfunctional franchise improve itself over the offseason. Whereas Ed Wade would have tried to rebuild this horrible team instantly into a winner, thereby setting the team back 5 years in the process, new GM Jeff Zduriencik has tried to acquire lots of decent players in order to see what he’s got. He got Aaron Heilman from the Mets, Franklin Gutierrez from the Indians, and several other fairly young players in an attempt to build for the future while getting rid of a guy (Putz) his bad team had little use for. He hasn’t yet managed to extricate his franchise from the Carlos Silva contract but, hey – did you expect a miracle worker?
Now how about the worst offseasons so far –
- Brewers – you absolutely have to start here. They’ve lost their top 2 pitchers and appear poised to replace Sabathia and Sheets w/ (gulp!) Braden Looper. On top of that, the Yankees’ acquisition of Mark Teixeira cost them the Yanks’ 1st round draft pick as well. One more thing -- their closer, Solomon Torres, retired. It’s been a tough month for our friends to the north.
- Phillies – I guess if you win the World Series, people won’t care how bad your offseason is b/c you can always say "we didn’t exactly need to rebuild!" They dumped Pat Burrell in favor of Raul Ibanez, who is 4 years older and just as bad in the OF as Burrell. He’s also left-handed, exacerbating the righty-lefty disparity in their lineup. They gave Ibanez a 3 year, $31 M contract to suck until he’s 39 years old. To top it off, they gave 46 year old Jamie Moyer – a guy no one else really wanted – a 2 year contract b/c they didn’t want to give one of their young pitchers a chance to earn their way into the rotation. Why 2 years? I guess they thought 3 was excessive?
- Angels – they lost K-Rod and Teixeira and appear poised to replace K-Rod w/ Fuentes for almost the same money. Meanwhile, the A’s are catching up on them in the AL West. They did resign Juan Rivera (yippee!) and will be getting some extra draft picks to help them 4 years from now.
- Cubs – they dumped Kerry Wood (very good player) in favor of Kevin Gregg (definition of mediocre) and traded a pretty good relief prospect in order to do it. In fact, Jose Ceda may end up being better than Kevin Gregg this year! They’ve been unable to trade for Jake Peavy or Brian Roberts and been unable to dump Fukudome or, at least, move him to CF. Expect their offseason to get better, however.
- Padres – what the H-E-double hockey sticks are they doing? They’ve apparently made every other team in baseball decide they don’t want Jake Peavy w/ their ridiculously high trade demands and, let’s face it, this is a guy they pretty much have to trade now. The Padres aren’t going to win any time in the next couple of years and Peavy’s contract is only a really good one this season. The next 3 years, beginning in 2010, are $15, $16, and $17 M + a $22 M option. Maybe they got a decent return for Khalil Greene – we’ll know once the PTBNL is announced – but, while Mark Worrell can probably be a useful guy for them, you’d have to think that the sandwich pick they’d have gotten after next year’s draft would have been worth more.
Many Cards’ fans, impatient lot that we are, would probably put our offseason in that 2nd column. In fact, I was inclined to put us up top until I thought about a couple of the mistakes that have been made – the inexplicable disinterest in Randy Johnson, the 4th year on Kyle Lohse’s extension, and the refusal to offer arbitration to Springer or Looper. Still, you’d have to say that Mo’s done well in many areas (well, I’ll say that – you don’t have to.) He checked in on Peavy and Holliday until deciding that it would cost too much to acquire either. He’s put out a pretty decent offer to Fuentes (I still don’t want him, but a 2 year, $18 M offer is much better than 3 and 33) and seems ready to stand firm. He’s been aggressive when needed and patient when needed and, overall, I’m impressed. I still think he misfired w/ the arbitration offers but nobody’s perfect. He could have stood to be more patient w/ Kyle Lohse to see what would happen in the market also but there’s still a long way to go.
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You have failed to mention the Giants.....
They removed a lot of dead wood from their 40-man; they signed a very good left handed relief pitcher in Jeremy Affeldt; they signed a very good right handed relief pitcher in Bob Howry (after a down year, but no reason he can’t bounce back), they took Perdomo in the Rule 5 draft, and because of the way they’ve built up their bullpen, are in a position to keep him if he shows them anything at all. Then comes word of the Randy Johnson signing. They can now trade Jonathan Sanchez or Noah Lowry or any other almost ready for prime time arm in their system for a young bat. They have the means to sign one of the bats still out there-and trade for one to.
Remember, the AL West division winner wasn’t much over .500 last year. I don’t see that the other teams out there have done much to improve. The Giants have given out some bad contracts the last few years, but this year I like the moves they made.
I would also mention the Indians, while not terribly active, targeted a couple of relievers, and got two out of three-one cost them money, and the other one a 4th outfielder, who was expendable because of Grady Sizemore.
The White Sox have had a bad off season; their moves are just bizarre. If Kenny Williams is done, they’re in big trouble.
As far as the Cardinals go, I’d feel better about their off season if they hadn’t used the word “agressive”-if you’re going to take a cautious approach, a wait and see approach, or lets watch the market unfold approach, or a FAT approach, please don’t be quoted saying you’re going to be aggressive, because it makes me not want to believe you when you speak. I really DO want to believe what you say.
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doh. Three relievers is a few, not a couple......
as in the Indians targeted a few relievers. Three. They got 2 out of three.
I hate when I find a glaring error like that after I hit post. ARGHH!!!!
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right about the Giants
but I was so shocked at what I viewed as the massive overpay for Renteria that I had forgotten about them.
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by giveml on Dec 28, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they had a good offseason,
with Affeldt, Howry, Phelps, Johnson, and they also signed the crappy Renteria contract.
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a very good contract with Renteria
Except if you put it in the context of last year’s shortsop, Omar Vizquel, or in the context of the fact that there currently are not enough quality shortstops to go around. Seriously-what are teams supposed to do when there is not quality or quantity at a given position? I wasn’t critical when Guzman got the extention from the Nats during last season-SOMEONE has to play shortsop.
At any rate, it’s two years. Two year bad contracts don’t tend to kill a franchise; if Renteria is a complete bust, they just go back out there looking….
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to, say, Barry Zito,
it’s a fantastic contract. Otherwise, it’s not good, and it’s definitely not good compared to the RJ or Affeldt deals.
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"aggressive"
I totally agree with what you are saying. Cards should be a bit more careful with what they say to the fan base. I know that Mo will say that they did go after Holliday, Peavy?, and Fuentes “aggresively”. But I think the word that you used, “cautious”, is more descriptive of what they have been doing.
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by totalloser on Dec 28, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did the Giants
move to the AL West? (Sorry, just had to point it out….I’ll shut up now).
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't.
Yikes. That’s my mistake. Of course they are in the NL West. My bad…
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by jillsinmo on Dec 29, 2008 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Yankees payroll is less than last year
Everybody repeats the money coming off the books but never talks about scheduled raises and arbitration increases.
by ol Pete on Dec 28, 2008 9:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Between Pettite, Giambi, Mussina, Pavano, and Abreu,
their payroll still figures to go down next season.
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they are in the mid to high 180s now
but that doesn’t include money to their first rounder (4.5 million – don’t know time frame), Kei Igawa’s salary or buyouts for Giambi and Pavano. I don’t think it includes Sabathia’s 9 million signing bonus either since that isn’t technically payroll. So I guess its possible depending mainly how payroll is defined.
And I doubt they’re done signing guys either.
by ol Pete on Dec 28, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The final results on the off-season may
be very different. The Yanks have clearly made the most improvement and no team is going to come close to them. However, the rest of the teams perceived as players in the offseason could still make some very big moves.
The Cards could still land a player or two by free agency and they could still make a major trade or two. This team is still in transition and apparently transitioning to a younger team. That is fine but as it has been said before the team needs to take advantage of the Pujols prime years. I think they are a few players away from being really good and it is frustrating to me that they will not take that extra step to go for it while they have Pujols. The time to be conservative is during a real rebuilding process which will probably be when Pujols is gone.
Additionally, the Red Sox were not mentioned and while they have done nothing bad, they have done nothing while the Yanks have loaded up and as a result have had a very poor off-season so far.
by Warcard on Dec 28, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I reluctantly disagree.
I like Mo a lot and think he’ll probably salvage something out of this post season but I don’t think he’s done well so far. The early mantra was that we’d focus on LOOGYs for the start of the off season and then see how everything else would shake out. That seemed reasonable but we didn’t really do it. First I think that we’ll regret the four year contract for Lohse. It’s the very rare pitcher that pitches well for that period of time and they’re pretty easy to identify. Lohse doesn’t fit the description. It’s not a killer contract but we’ll be lucky to get a good year or two out of him and we have plenty of middle of the rotation starters in the pipeline. Lohse, and Looper for that matter, were worth offering arbitration to but we’re apparently philosophically opposed to that. Then we traded for Greene. Like everybody else I think it’s an okay trade but it offers no solution to our shortstop problem till Kozma or somebody develops. I suspect we could have done it later also and seen how the shortstop supply shook out. We apparently decided that we have all the LOOGYs we need in the person of the shaky and possibly injured Trevor Miller and then decided that we absolutely had to have a closer. Much time and effort was put into signing Fuentes and most of us breathed a sigh of relief when it didn’t happen. I personally liked the original plan and think that we should use the money we eventually saved on Miller’s contract and offer Will Ohman a million more than anybody else and that first part of the plan will be fulfilled. I’d then be fine with practicing patience and seeing what our outfielders and prospects other than Perez and Rasmus might get us in starting pitching and second base.
by easy on Dec 28, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is there a plan?
What bothers me most about this front office is that they talk a good game, then even when they’ve picked a player they want they low ball him. If they really wanted Fuentes, they should have offered more than they did. The offer was insulting to Fuentes. After reading that Tony identified him as the team’s number one priority, he gets an offer that is one year shorter and two million/year cheaper than he wants. What kind of number one priority is that? They didn’t even offer what Kerry Wood had already signed for. Was Fuentes their second choice? That whole deal was embarrassing. I mean, everyone in the press stipulated that Fuentes was the second best closer on the market, right behind k-rod. So K-rod signs for 3/37. Wood signs for 2/22. That puts Fuentes smack in the middle. But the team offers the third best contract at 2/16-18. That is an insulting offer to Fuentes. Period.
This is not aggressive, or even prudent. It is just stupid.
I think the team should overpay if they feel that strongly about a target. Pay a premium price for a premium player. Don’t low ball him. I am disappointed in Mo so far this off season. Last year he made some good moves, this year not so much.
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by victim of the sixties on Dec 28, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mo's job is not to make fuentes happy,
if he is insulted by an offer that is at his market value, unlike the Kerry Wood contract which was terrible, then he can take his attitude and stick it. Trying to outdo stupid contracts like the one Wood got is a terrible mistake.
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that Wood's contract is terrible......
he was the guy they wanted, for all kinds of reasons. They have a great track record managing pitchers with injury histories and they are exposed for two years if he’s hurt again. If he is hurt, the third year won’t kick in. IMO it’s a risk they HAD to take….their bullpen was a mess last year. Adding Wood and then Joe Smith (who names a kid Joe Smith?) improves them a lot.
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing we were talking about Joe Smith
They are paying 10m a year for a player who could, potentially, possibly have a ceiling of 2 WAR which means they are paying 5m per WAR. The Yankees paid around 4.5m per WAR for Teixera, Sabathia, and Burnett. When you are a low-budget team making a single free agent signing, your margin of error is small. When you are the Yankees, you are practically expected to overpay. So why did the Indians pay more than the Yankees?
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything you say is true.
It still doesn’t change the fact that Cleveland needed a closer, picked the one they wanted, and made sure he’d sign with them by giving him what he wanted. They obviously are comfortable with the risk or they wouldn’t have done it. Sometimes you just have to go for it. It can pay off big or blow up in their face-just like any big contract any team signs with any player can. So, the Yankees got better deals. So what. Cleveland CAN’T get into the 5, 6, 7, 8 year contract market anyway. They can do what they did though-2 years 20 million+. They will survive that contract even under the worst case scenario.
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The number one goal behind contracts is not,
“survivability”
The Wood contract was not a good one, and it’s not something we should be looking to outdo or replicate. Cleveland actually is more able to cope with Wood’s volatility, because they have a pretty good bullpen to pick up the slack and Wood coming through for them could make them very good even as a complete crash and burn from him would not crush them.
At any rate, we simply don’t agree on what Fuentes is worth, whether we need him, or what the best way to go about such a signing is.
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by hazel on Dec 29, 2008 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one
said the number one goal of the contract is “survivability,” but one must consider that, especially in regards to injury-prone pitchers.
Jill said that Cleveland will survive “under the worst case scenario.” If Wood is healthy and pitches well, then Cleveland will be happy, no matter what we think of the contract. Their goal is to have a healthy, effective Kerry Wood pitch for them.
by spants on Dec 29, 2008 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, I never mentioned anything about Fuentes, or what he's worth.
I was defending Cleveland’s signing of Kerry Wood, because I do think it was a good signing, even if they overpaid.
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by jillsinmo on Dec 29, 2008 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you like them doesn't mean you should overpay
everyone in the press stipulated that Fuentes was the second best closer on the market
what in the world does that have to do anything?
Shouldn’t a GM decide what is best for the team even if the press or manager don’t always agree with him?
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 28, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but why didn’t the indians go after fuentes? i suspect because his asking price was viewed as unreasonable. i’m disappointed the cards didn’t go for wood. cleveland’s deal for him looks pretty good. fuentes may or may not beat it.
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by sportsman on Dec 28, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland didn't go after Fuentes
because they wanted Kerry Wood. It was not just about the money/years. Wood is the one they felt was the best fit for them-they don’t make that offer to any other closer out there, Fuentes included.
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be much worse of an offer than he got from the Angles
Snice they have changed thier focus to him and he has stated he wants to play for them. It seems the Angles can’t be offering to much more than the Cardinals. How about we wait until he signs somewhere before we decided what we should have offered him if we really wanted him.
by Evilfrog on Dec 28, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuentes
isn’t really a closer, that’s why they gave him a low deal.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 28, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like what they did with Fuentes
They did their research on him, assigned him a value in terms of money and years, and then offered it to him, with the principle that they will not go any higher. It’s a good way to run an organization, and if they back down now and offer 3yr/33mil everyone will no they overpaid in terms of both years and AAV.
by Gnick on Dec 29, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royals...
I would slot them ahead of the the Mariners. They added Mike Jacobs to play first base and upgraded with Crisp in the OF. They gave up relivers they can replace from the minors.
by Brock20 on Dec 28, 2008 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Except they can replace Jacobs and Crisp,
with people from the minors without trading decent arms and paying more money.
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by hazel on Dec 28, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Farnsworth Deal
I think they did okay up until the Farnsworth deal. That was a serious misallocation of funds.
by lightbulb on Dec 28, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs kinda sucks
The Marlins win that trade. Jacobs’ OBP was .299 last year. He’s a close-your-eyes-and-swing-hard guy.
by mojowo11 on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is not a good thing when you are one outcome short of a TTO
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 28, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I hate when that happens.
It’s just no fun.
I no longer understand what Mr. Moore is doing. I defended the Meche signing-I understood why he did it and why the dollar amount turned out so high; I understand why he might prefer Coco Crisp because he does have some different skills than his current outfielders have, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that trade. I am scratching my head at the Mike Jacobs signing-they already have Mike Jacobs types that aren’t arbitration eligible. Maybe he’s cornering the market on marginal first baseman? Except every team, including his, has those guys in their minors, no?
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by jillsinmo on Dec 28, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
strikeouts
not if you’re giving up the strikeouts … that wouldn’t be bad at all
by Glowsticks on Dec 29, 2008 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree with the post
but I have to make a couple of points in re Johnson and Padres. What I’ve read about the Randy signing is that he wished to have spring training in Arizona and then play on the West Coast. It’s lamentable that the Cardinals didn’t sign him for like $12 mil or so, which is what he’s worth, but the man had his priorities.
The Padres, because of the owner’s divorce, are partying like it’s 1999. As noted here the Padres are poised to give all these super-upside players a shot. Including Mr. Worrell. Maybe the Cards, in lieu of not signing a top-tier pitcher, should make a run at Peavey if and when the asking price goes down for him.
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by KennyWang on Dec 28, 2008 1:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the "winners" are the teams that haven't spent yet?
I have a hard time believing that any of the signed free agents — even Sabathia — are going to turn out to be good value for dollar, because the dollars involved are so plentiful. 3/33 for Fuentes would only make sense if you’re talking about Canadian dollars, and maybe not even then. Teams with the patience to wait out the spendthrifts are likely to do more to improve themselves than the ones who spend early and often, with the possible exception of the Yankees. I’m not uncomfortable with Mo being in the “patient” group.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
They looked at everything and decided that this was the year to go for it. The 2010 free agent class looks to be very weak and by buying all of the free agents in the same year, they are only giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks for type A free agents. Plus, they don’t worry much about losing draft picks because they can buy any player they want and can sign international free agents to fill those holes. (Another one of baseball’s loopholes that favors the richest teams.) Baseball’s economic structure is a joke.
As for the Cardinals, I don’t want to pass judgement until it is a finished product, but I hope they don’t go sign some mediocre veteran pitcher to a 4-6 million dollar contract who is no better than Mitchell Boggs. Don’t spend millions on mediocrity. (which makes me question the Lohse deal more)
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by Elvis on Dec 28, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
pretty much what the cubs did after '06
the yankees are lucky in that they have more ability to absorb the bad long-term contracts than the cubs do, though.
It’ll be glorious to see the yankees finish third again in their division after this splurge, though, won’t it?
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by SleepyCA on Dec 28, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
teams other than the Yankees did something this offseason? I would have never known.
I do like what the Rays and A’s have done. I still think the Rays are still the team to beat in the AL. I wonder what moves they have left.
I just hope these last 70+ hours of 2008 are the last of all the gloom and doom about the Yankees ruining baseball. These last few days have been so damn negative, especially in the FanPosts, so this is one person hoping for a cheerier New Year. I know I am excited, we are inside of 100 days until Opening Day!
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 28, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
tbh
i cant wait for this shitty year to be over (non baseball related)
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by jealousblues on Dec 28, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why do the yankees have so much money coming off the books???
because the “great” long term signings of guys like pavano and giambi are finally done, I see it as the yankees are tieing up a lot of money in long term contracts that there is no way to be sure will work out….everyone complained when they signed giambi, obviously tex is a different type of ball player, but that could end up being a lot of money down the drain if the guy gets into injury trouble…i just see it as the the yankees are trying to win there way and so is everyone else. It seems as of lately everyone else’s way has been working better.
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
by ForesterShane on Dec 28, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice list of offseason moves thusfar, chuckb!
I wonder who’s left now… I know we could trade for Peavy still (solve those OF glut issues?), Sheets is still floating around, Johnson is gone but it sounds like he didn’t want to play in the midwest, etc.
Anyone know of a site that is updated with all these moves and has a listing of what players are still free agents?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 28, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN usually updates regularly
this one is from Dec 24. so it should be pretty close, outside of Teixeira and Penny (anyone else signed the last few days?).
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 28, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies offseason hasn't been that bad
especially since they’ll have nearly the same team
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That Ibanez deal really, really stinks.
He’s the older, worse version of Burrel, and they paid him big and long-term. There are plenty of guys like that still in free agency.
Meanwhile, the Moyer signing just doesn’t make much sense because it appears as though no one else was particularly interested. Compared to say, the Randy Johnson deal, it’s a travesty.
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by hazel on Dec 29, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Utley's injury.
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