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Yanks Sign An-Udder...  :=8(

Yanks sign Texiera

 

The rich get richer, and baseball suffers because of it.  Anyone else feel sick over this??  Now they have the 4 highest paid free agents in the game, and they may not be done yet - there is a good chance they'll go ahead and sign Derek Lowe or Ben Sheets as well.  Perhaps we should just save everyone the bother and just give them the damn trophy, and everybody else can just play for the fun of it.  Baseball is in serious trouble to allow this kind of display of unfairness.  Its going to turn fans off if you can just buy a championship - I know, they don't automatically get the ring but for all intents and purposes they can just spend whatever they wish at any time to make themselves better and everyone else weaker.  Sorry, I just find this very depressing...

:=8/

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sucks for the brewers too

their first round pick they should have gotten for sabbathia just became a second round pick

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now when we look at FA classes

we need to first figure in which FAs automatically go to New York. This year it was K-Rod, Tex, Burnett, CC…. After we’ve done that, we’ll be one step ahead of everyone else who plans on picking the scrap heap for leftovers.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget JJ to NY..

Just so they could use him as a setup man.. At least they had to give up somethin for him

by wizardofozzie on Dec 23, 2008 11:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This way of building teams has not worked too well for them in the recent plast

their dynasty teams were mostly homegrown talent with just a few superstar free agents added on top. They have had a bunch of ups and downs when they have been chasing Damon, Giambi and A-Rod. obviously, their pitching signings helped, but the marginal improvement of tex over Giambi (who is essentially who he would be replacing) is not all that extreme, though it is nonzero. And they still have to do soemthing with Johnny Damon, who is getting paid like a centerfielder, but kind of can’t really field anymore.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 23, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

but this is almost on another level entirely

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2008 5:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't

really feel that bad about the rest of baseball bitching about the Yankees throwing money around. They are just playing the game, they can afford to pay for players and last time I checked this is a free market.

At least the Yankees try to win, unlike many teams (see marlins owner) bitching about the Yankees throwing money around. Until there is a salary cap, I think people should just stop bitching about the Yankees and just worry about their own team.

Merry xmas all

by madeintaiwan on Dec 23, 2008 4:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Marlins do

a pretty damn good job of winning when they have so few fans, which translates to little revenue. I don’t think you can honestly say that there are “many teams” who don’t try to win. I wouldn’t care how much the Yankees spend except for the fact that is does affect my team. If the Yankees sign Lowe or Sheets, what starter is left for the Cardinals to sign? That would mean they got CC, Burnett, and Sheets/Lowe. Those are the 4 guys who I’d want the most, but the Yankees are taking nearly all of them. This means that the Cardinals, and other teams, don’t hardly even get to compete in the FA market. We get to go over the scrap heap year after year.

In short, I’ll bitch about how much the Yankees spend all I want, thanks.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 4:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll go one further.

I don’t think the Marlins try to lose. But with their current financial constraints, they can only field a competitive team once every few years at most. They’ve one two WS, 6 years apart. And for the amount of money they’ve spent, I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment. I’m sure they’d like to have more money so they could be competitive every season, but their model of drafting and developing and trading from surplus is working pretty well for them.

by spants on Dec 23, 2008 7:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops.

They’ve WON two WS…

by spants on Dec 23, 2008 7:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I were a fan in Baltimore or Toronto

I would have probably turned my back on baseball today.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 23, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enjoy this...

….from Brotz13 at CamdenChat:

Quick thoughts
1. Tex is a fucktaster. I don’t even know what that means, but it was my immediate, guttural reaction.

2. The Yankees should slip on a puddle of AIDS.

by sabertooth5185 on Dec 23, 2008 4:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

classy.

Might be better to leave the camdenchat foulness at camdenchat, though.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 23, 2008 4:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

might?

I am glad that I have never read anything like that from any commenter here at VEB. Comments like that second one have no place in any kind of adult discussion. I really hope that is the last time we ever have to see crap like that.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2008 5:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a question...

Isn’t our civil form of conversation merely a result of our slight arrogance (which IS apparent, despite what anyone here can say) caused by a constant level of success by our team? We do not deal with the Yankees in our division, nor do we deal with the pathetic play of the Orioles…therefore I do not think that ANYONE on this site should judge another fans actions or words as we have not dealt with their level of competition nor their level of despicable play in the past 10 years, and perhaps back to the 70’s.

Perhaps we would be no better than them if in the same situation, save for cleaner words (which can be twisted to sound pleasant and be utterly (moooo) inappropriate anyway)

Blatancy is only the manner of showing disgust, not the level of intelligence (only I don’t think this particular person has much of that anyway).

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 23, 2008 11:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

it has NOTHING to do with frustration and everything to do with tact and whether it is enforced by site administrators. It’s enforced here. It isn’t there.

by spants on Dec 24, 2008 1:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as someone who has modded this board in the past, yes

And no board is bereft of trolls from opposing teams.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 24, 2008 10:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope tact is used

when referring to Futurama and Family Guy which can be seen as quite offensive to many people.

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 12:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's mainstream television

and they are both CARTOONS. Get a grip.

by spants on Dec 25, 2008 5:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes and no...
We do not deal with the Yankees in our division, nor do we deal with the pathetic play of the Orioles…therefore I do not think that ANYONE on this site should judge another fans actions or words as we have not dealt with their level of competition nor their level of despicable play in the past 10 years, and perhaps back to the 70’s.

Comments like his add nothing to the discussion of baseball, they only show contempt for another team’s business model. If that poster can state with a straight face that he wouldn’t take a $20M raise to play in New York, where he’s also guaranteed more chances at endorsement and media dollars, then he can make disparaging remarks about someone like Teixeira, who seems to be a pretty great guy.

Under the right ownership, we could have a team very similar to the Yankees in our division — the Chicago Cubs. With the amount of revenue that they have they could afford a Yankee type payroll, especially if the club was able to purchase WGN from the Trib company and pull it under the organization’s hat. They would have the national fan base, their own TV network, and a major media market to pull from just like the Yankees do. If they are sold to someone who wants to win as badly as the Steinbrenners do, we will have the NL version of the free-spending Yankees in our own division.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, hey, Fourstick

I almost said something about the Cubs being a future Yankee type team in our division. Soo, the next question is, whats going to happen to us if this were to happen?

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 12:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There would 2 routes to take in that case
  1. Dewitt and company look to expand the club’s revenue base by starting their own television network for Cardinal baseball that would also pick up Blues hockey, SLU basketball, and a few other sports events in the offseason (MAC football would be a great addition as well). Basically, what the Red Sox did with NESN after the Yankees started YES.
  2. The club turns its focus on rebuilding through the draft, which is already going on inside the front office, and makes the right plays for free agents by exploiting inefficiencies in the market, similar to how the Twins, Oakland, and Cleveland find ways to compete every year or couple of years.

This was part of the reason that I was rooting for Cuban to buy the Cubs — sure he has a ton of money to throw at players, but he also makes some really stupid decisions when it comes to running a team. He signs guys to horrible contract extensions, isn’t able to realize when a team is underperforming because of its coach, and doesn’t evaluate his team well enough to know when they are in contention or not which forces him to make really stupid trades for aging point guards with half a tank of gas left. He would spend a bundle and find himself with a payroll similar to that of New York’s with fewer wins to show for it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 26, 2008 9:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I absolutely agree

His comment does not contribute to the topic of baseball discussed on this blog. Therefore, it should be ignored and not even spoken of, even if someone else quoted it. Just ignore it. To come out and talk about another team’s fan in that manner, even though it may be true in this case, we are only calling the kettle black for ourselves.

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 12:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is a matter of decency

that second sentence is disgusting. If someone feels the need to be like that over a fucking baseball team they really need to get their priorities straight.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 24, 2008 1:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not discouraged

The Yankees took a lot of money off the books this year. All they are doing is reloading. What bothers everyone is they have grabbed the top two best FA talents available (easily), not to mention they added Burnett and WILL add one more eight-digit contract before they are done.

Just remember, big contracts and spending do not guarantee championships. Look at all the money Seattle spent, and where it got them. The only thing that saddens me is that it may seal off deals for Ankiel with the Yanks, and may lead to the Angels picking up Fuentes.

by JWO on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't the Yanks still want Ankiel?

Tex is a 1B, they could still use an outfielder, unless they get Manny too…(though I don’t know that I’d complain about not having to face him)

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 4:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because

by signing Texiera it means Nick Swisher moves to the outfield leaving them with less of a need for Ankiel. Without Texiera, Swisher could have stayed at 1B and they might have considered adding another bat to the outfield.

by stl522 on Dec 24, 2008 1:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn this lineup is scary

CF Damon
SS Jeter
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
DH Matsui
LF Swisher
RF Nady
C Posada
2B Cano

Not sure if the order is exactly correct, but that would be the basic gist of it. With a rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Joba, Lowe/Sheets/etc. and Rivera closing games this just looks like massive hurricane getting ready to blow everyone away.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 24, 2008 10:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Many people thought that

about the Detriot lineup going into last year.

by Evilfrog on Dec 24, 2008 10:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

and there’s a chance all of these guys don’t perform to their potential, but it’s highly unlikely. Plus the Tigers didn’t have that rotation or that closer.

If nothing else, I can see this lineup hitting 2,000 HR’s.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 24, 2008 10:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeter

is regressing and Matsui cant stay healthy. Nady is not a very good corner outfielder. Posada cant catch 130 games. No way. The Yanks will not play Damon in center. Hmm, thats all I got. Anyone else?

by njnick on Dec 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nady

He’s a league average defender in right field, which is probably where he’s going to play. He put up a 128 OPS+ last season, combined, which would put him at or near guys like Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Jason Bay. He’s probably more valuable than Dunn and Burrell because of his defense and he’s probably a push with Bay, who was the center of the Manny Ramirez deal.

He’s not flashy, but he puts up good numbers, gets on base a lot, and can hit 25-30 homers; he’s essentially Matsui from the right side without the injury problems.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Posada issue is a big one.

Can’t remember — is the other other Molina backing him up again this year? because they didn’t seem to get in on the fire sale on catchers that Texas was throwing.

Also, any thoughts on why the Yanks bit on Burnett rather than Lowe? Burnett has a bit more of an upside, but given that both were looking at four or five years, I would be much more inclined to take Lowe. He’s the epitome of reliability. Burnett is not going to get healthier as he ages.

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2008 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Age

Burnett, although he’s more injury prone, is 4 years younger than Lowe is. I guess maybe after the Kevin Brown deal they don’t want aging sinkerballer’s anymore either…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree about Nady

The guy is pretty consistent.

As for the positions, they could put Damon at DH and go with Matsui/Swisher/Nady in the OF, but that just seems like splitting hairs to me. It doesn’t matter what position these guys play really when they have the DH.

All I was alluding to is that this lineup will have some pop to it. All of these guys are capable of 20+ HR’s. Does that mean all of them will do it? Of course not, but the potential is there.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 24, 2008 4:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they should be pretty good

plugging their marcel projections into pinto’s lineup generator gives 916 runs. And Marcels seem to be pretty conservative for this group (though of course they won’t get nearly the playing time the generator predicts).

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bay vs. Nady

Is really not all that close, Bay is a much better hitter. Nady’s career OPS+ is 108, including his 2008 season, which was 20 points above anything he had ever done before, and saw a marked decrease upon entering the more difficult AL East. Bay, on the other hand, has a career OPS+ of 131, including a 2007 season in which he played hurt and could never get comfortable, leading to an OPS+ not truly representative of his value.

by Gnick on Dec 27, 2008 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

marcels has nady as a .808 OPS player next year.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 27, 2008 4:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is pretty good news, actually

I was afraid they were going to go 10/300 or something crazy like that. In terms of setting the market, it makes 22-25 per year a reasonable expectation for a Pujols extension, and for a shorter time period (6-7Y instead of 10), especially since it now means we won’t be bidding against the yankees.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 23, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say Pujols would cost more

but the thing is, the Yankees set the market value, so since they won’t be needing a 1B, Albert won’t be as expensive. Good observation!

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 4:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

The yankees just bought Tex’s age 29-36 seasons. A 6-7Y extension would be Pujols 32-37 or 32-38 seasons. That 3 years makes a big difference.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 23, 2008 4:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if we're just extending him from this point forward,

and not extending his original contract. I think that re-negotiating at the end of 2009 would be the way to go — void the rest of his current deal and replace it with a 6-8 year deal at $25M average per season.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 11:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh They Cud Just..

…buy him anyway and use him or Texiera as DH. If the Yankees REALLY want Pujols, its over.
:=8(

by The MooCow on Dec 23, 2008 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pujols Watch

is getting old. Let’s quit sounding the death knell!

by spants on Dec 23, 2008 7:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

damn right

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2008 7:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably in a few Years...

A-ROD will be ready/need to shift over to 1st, and the Yanks seem to have 4 or 5 other guys who are declining defensively and sliding into that full-time DH role. It is unlikely that Teixeria will agree to become a full-time DH, and his glove is so good at 1st that it would be folly to take him off the field. I’m sure Pujols is adamant about playing in the field would not sign somewhere as a DH as soon as 2011.

That is a great observation that Tex fills their 1B hole for a decade and reduces the chance that the Yanks outbid the world for Pujols. Still, if the Yanks want him, they’ll find a way.

by Czechguardsman on Dec 25, 2008 3:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For all the boo-hooing about the yankees

it’s not like they’ve been dominant in recent years. There are other ways to get to the WS and build a championship caliber team. The yankees have the financial clout to throw money at people — so what. This is the real world kiddos and the big kids play rough.

by azruavatar on Dec 23, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree lots of other teams have won the series since they won, including the Redbirds.

The Yanks spend a lot of money each year but they win a lot of games. Because they win they have a huge following of fans who love them and a huge group who hate them. All these ppl show up to root for or against the Yanks and they spend money, increasing revenue not only at New York, but also on the road.

 Many AL teams have some of their largest crowds when the Yanks come to town. Large crowds show up to root against them but ticket sales go up and so do concession sales and those who watch the games and listen to the radio. They increase revenue for all teams.

 They also pay how many millions in a luxury tax that goes to the clubs with less money. While I agree it does get tiring to see them get great player after great player, they have figured out that if you win, ppl whether they like you or not, will come out to see you play. That pays the bills and creates a cash flow for the Yankees who instead of pocketing all the money pump a large amount back into the team getting bigger stars and trying to win more. They take the chances and thus reap the rewards.

Having said that, I can’t wait till October when the Cardinals kick their over-payed butts and win the World Series in the New Yankee Stadium! :)

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.-Rogers Hornsby

by thegashousegang on Dec 23, 2008 5:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus

they have to spend a lot to compete with the red sox

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2008 6:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, and think of how much worse it

would be if the Yanks and Sox did NOT play in the same division. In a way, they neutralize each other (perhaps even opening space for other AL teams to land WC spots).

Now, that sucks for the Orioles as I have to watch them get their arses handed to them over and over, but OTOH, the O’s are so dysfunctional they probably couldn’t win in the AL or NL West, either.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 23, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be an interesting way to set up divisions

set up 6 5-team divisions and divide them up based on payroll, with the top 5 payroll teams in one division, the middle 5 in another, and the bottom 5 in a third. That way only one (or at most two, with the wildcard) of the top 5 payroll teams in each league make the playoffs each year, and at least two lower payroll teams make it.

Teams could even change divisions at the trade deadline, which could make for some interesting strategery…

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 24, 2008 2:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

that would be awesome. i may dig at stats and teams in general and see how that would effect them in the past.

Without looking anything up LAA may have lost out last year

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Dec 25, 2008 10:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EXACTLY

that’s why they are doing what they are doing. the sawx have won TWO World Series since they have won their last one. they’ll do whatever it takes to beat those chowds & i for one love every move they make that sticks it to bean town.

and God Bless em for it. i for one am sick of everything new england. i know i’m in the minority here, but the Yanks are my #2 team, below the Cards of course, but because of my uncle & grandpa i am a fan. watching the Clippers in my teen’s & 20’s as Jeter & the rest came up to the bigs didn’t hurt either.

bottom line, this isn’t bad for baseball. they Yanks spend every money they make on trying to put a winning ball club on the field. every fan of every team should be so lucky to pull for a team that does the very same.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 23, 2008 6:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"spend every money they make on trying to put a winning ball club on the field."

When are the Cards going to start doing things the “Yankee way”?

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 23, 2008 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i haven't seen the books, obviously

but I’d bet a hypothetical internet dollar that dewitt spends a higher percentage of his profits on payroll than steinbrenner does. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear that STL was operating in the red in the early 2000’s.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 24, 2008 2:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree.

I would have no evidence either way just gut feeling.

by njnick on Dec 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I don’t think people understand just how much money the Yankees rake in during a given fiscal year. Their YES network probably rakes in as much money in the offseason as most of the smaller market teams make from their regular revenue streams. Not to mention that there are corporations that line up to rent their luxury boxes and buy their box seats so that they sell out nearly every single game they play at home — all with a ridiculous premium on ticket prices. They’ve pushed out the casual fan, but they make money hand over fist.

The Cardinals are probably in the black in terms of operating costs, and will be further in the black if the ballpark village EVER gets done, it’s safe to say that the Yankees can double the Cards payroll and still be much, much better off financially than the Cardinal organization.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bpv

makes me wonder how much $$ is being diverted from payroll to prepare bpv, or its future site, for the all star game

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Dec 24, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that's the case

because a lot of that was financed with public money I believe.

I would be totally ok with that if they turn that area into a cash cow so that the club could up payroll by $20-$30M in the future…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 26, 2008 9:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$116M of $387M

was public funds. But as I understand it (and I could be wrong) it wasn’t a gift; it’ll be paid back when the ballpark village is making money.

they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums

by SleepyCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh

The Yankees DO NOT spend every $ on trying to win. That payroll would be like $500 million* if they did.

(*random guesstimate)

by spants on Dec 23, 2008 7:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"making money"

includes whatever goes on to get NY taxpayers to provide them with massive support

by ol Pete on Dec 24, 2008 11:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taxpayer Funding Stadium

Is ridiculous when the Yanks can spend 400 million + in an offseason. Plus, how many companies getting Federal bailout money will have box seats at the new Yankee stadium? It makes me sick to think about.

by njnick on Dec 24, 2008 2:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for all the action with the yankees

pinstripe alley doesn’t have very much traffic.

Smell the Glove

by emrfg8 on Dec 23, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just feel bad...

for Toronto and Milwaukee who lose two big time players and only get a sandwich pick plus a 2nd round and 3rd round pick? Shouldn’t there be a larger penalty for signing multiple type A free agents? Instead of getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I would be okay with those teams getting a 2nd sandwich pick and the Yankees would have to forfeit their 2nd and 3rd picks. Just a thought.

How awful would it be for the Brewers if the Yanks sign Sheets? Top 2 of the rotation gone and only 2 sandwich picks and a 2nd and 3rd round pick to show for it.

by Jumsy on Dec 23, 2008 5:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can anyone verify this for me?

The Yankees can’t sign any more Type A or B free agents. That’s one penalty. The CBA prevents any team from signing more than 3 this offseason because of the number of total FA filing. They will lose only three as well (Giambi, Pudge, and Abreu — Mussina doesn’t count), so the exception of signing as many as you lose doesn’t really affect them either.

If that is the case, the market just got a whole lot rougher for guys like Sheets, Lowe, and Manny, since the big dog is completely out of the hunt now they can’t drive up their prices. I think Manny may look stupid for not taking the Dodgers offer originally since no other big player in the market wants him now. If I’m the Dodgers I offer him a 2Y$36M deal or tell him to stick it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 11:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea scott

hope you are right

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Dec 24, 2008 11:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good for the Yankees - seriously

I can honestly say that I respect the hell out of the Yankees. Why?

Because I too am a money grubbing capitalist pig who eats red meat, plays to win, and waves the flag every chance I get. Because I love tradition, I love the "we will outspend, outplay, and outclass you" attitude. Because their players don’t wear dreads like Manny, because they don’t wear mostly red uniforms and haven’t changed their logo. Because to go to NYC, you don’t see Mets crap – you see Yankee crap. Because pinstripes rock, and they make big money and spend big money – with their budget, are they losing money?

In reality, the New York Yankees are the American Way – we just forget that from time to time. Make it bigger, better, and faster than the other guy and try just not to beat, but to crush your competition. Win – but set the standard doing so while winning classy. Be overtop, be entertainment, but never lose sight of winning. Like America, they have done a lot that can be criticized – but they have also done a ton – an absolute ton – to advance baseball and keep it relevant.

Yes, it’s an image and marketing – but it’s a great image to have.

I think we get too caught up in teams like the pre 2004 Red Sox and the current Cubs – hopeless romantics that baseball fans are…but look – they lose. There is nothing great, or distinguishing in losing. Losing is not, nor should it ever be, cool. Sometimes, we get caught up in the "cool" – like alternative rock, AAA can’t miss prospects, and crazy analytic stats. And then, as we get older, we realize that alternative rock (while not bad) still isn’t as good as the Beatles on a bad day, or "Sweet Home Alabama" turned all the way up.

So that, in a nutshell, is why I respect the Yankees. Because, in the end, they are America – the good and the bad.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Dec 23, 2008 6:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about the movie:)

And I like that song – as a song. I know what you mean. though.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Dec 23, 2008 6:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

should have gone with Free Bird

and bukowsi, that was inspiring, GOD BLESS AMERICA!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 23, 2008 6:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My eyes!

The jingoism hath blinded me!

by spants on Dec 23, 2008 7:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think deep down everybody is going to miss that man.

Folks, the Yankees are the Yankees. I still hate the Yankees; but I also have to admit to myself that hating the Yankees is like hating Microsoft and Wal-Mart (as I sit here on a Windows computer) and, frankly, freedom and capitalism. The Steinbrenners don’t have secret police snatching people away in the middle of the night to be sent to the gulag. They are just running their team using their resources the way they see fit. The Yankees are not the Nazis—they’re Superman. Superman isn’t invincible (well, pre-crisis Superman pretty much was but that was then, this is now). Batman can outsmart, out-gadget, out-strategize Superman. Green Lantern really could be invincible if he has enough imagination (and remembers to charge that damn ring). Etc. etc. I’ll bet 1 fantasticrillion internet dollars that they don’t win the world series in 2009.

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2008 10:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MS and WalMart are the antithesis of freedom and capitalism.

by ol Pete on Dec 24, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are a creation of the flaws of the system.

Wonder what they do in a perfect system…hell, I don’t want to know, because we would be mindless fools in that system anyway.

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 1:00 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't think that's a little extreme? I mean, the antithesis?

I was trying to be a little tongue in cheek, I’m sorry if that didn’t come across.

by mattybobo on Dec 25, 2008 6:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1. The song was written to rebut Neil Young's "Southern Man" which was a protest against

racism in the South.

And how is listening to the Beatles distinctively American?

by tom s. on Dec 23, 2008 6:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe me

I wasn’t making a statement in those regards.
And I was comparing the Beatles to alternative music – not saying their American.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Dec 23, 2008 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And then, Neil Young felt bad about southern man, and wrote 'Alabama' as an apology

which Lynrd Skynrd rebuffed.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 23, 2008 11:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the Cardinals are unAmerican?

Because they don’t make it bigger, better, and faster than the other guy and try just not to beat, but to crush your competition?

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 23, 2008 7:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Would Be...

…a question of choice, ‘cause personally I think the Beatles are over-rated, I hate Sweet Home Alabama, and I would take ’alternative’ rock a million times over the same boring old hippy crap the corporate rock stations have crammed down our throats the past 30 years.

And I have no respect for the Yankees or for anyone who can simply buy their championship rather than earn it – and in case you weren’t paying attention, this is one of the reasons why America and its economy is going down the tubes. Win at all costs, with no strings attached, is the ruination of our society, IMO.

Bring on the backlash.

:=8P

by The MooCow on Dec 23, 2008 10:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, i'm lost here

it’s their money. they earned it. so is it not their right to do with it as they please? they want to win & win now & can afford to go get some of the best free agents. why hate on them because of that?

guess who also wants to win now? our manager.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 12:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish the Cards ownership were in a win now mode

as much as Tony and the Yankees are. Maybe we could land a big pitcher.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 24, 2008 12:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if Dewitt & CO sit on their cash instead of getting some real pitching help

i might start agreeing with your point. your point is they should spend a lot of what they earn to get better players right?

my hope for them is that they spend their cashwisely & not just throw millions at also rans. like Garland.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 1:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Win Now...

…is EVERY year with the Yankees, every single year bar none. Why not just buy all the players and be done with it. Why not buy the umpires too? Why not buy all the stadiums and kick the other teams out? I’m sure they could buy themselves a commissioner. Why not buyu all the networks and show only Yankee games? They’ve earned nothing. You can buy a law degree off the internet, it does not mean that you earned it. Any team that can buy the 3 best FAs int he game for 424 million in a span of 2 weeks when there are teams barely able to float by with 50 million for their entire payroll is unbalancing the game. All the other sports have salary caps, and baseball needs one NOW, IMO.
:=8/

by The MooCow on Dec 24, 2008 10:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Their money is in a great part a result of the contributions of taxpayers including US taxpayers who helped fund their new stadium. I suspect if you dig deep enough you will find subsidies or benefits that are tied to the YES network.

FWIW, you can ask anyone who gets money by hook or by crook and they will typically refer to it as “their” money.

by ol Pete on Dec 24, 2008 11:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no backlash

You have your opinion and I have mine, and I bet that you and I think more alike than you think. Just a conversation with a cow :)

I said I respect the Yankees – I don’t want to be them. I like the Cardinals just fine – they’re a different slice of Americana – one that I prefer. I prefer to go to local hardware stores, but sometimes I go to Lowe’s or WalMart.

As to you not liking the Beatles – do you have a modicum of respect for them?

Now, as to your assertion that the Yankees buy rather than earn – I would argue that there’s still 162 games, none of which are conceded by the other team. The Yankees pay more to increase their chances of winning – but it’s still 27 outs.

 I do pay attention – quite a bit and probably more than I should – to America, it’s politics, it’s military, it’s culture, and it’s economy. I don’t agree with your assertion that “win at all costs, with no strings attached” is the ruination of our society, nor do I think professional sports and teams have had any contributing impact to our current economic issues but I can see how one may think that way.

To me, it boils down to a question of personal responsibility most of all. We have lost a sense of personal responsibility – it’s always someone else’s fault. We’ve really become a nation of whiners; instead of a nation who says “that sucks, let’s deal with it” – we say “that sucks, it’s someone else’s problem”. Let’s give accurate blame to banks and the govenrment, but we’re not really mentioning that the people who bought the $400k hourse on a $40k a year salary with a 3 yr ARM signed the paper. We’re forgetting that our national identity is not found on TMZ, and that we need to get to work.

And if we were to apply that concept to the Yankees, I think that they are being responsible to themselves, their ideals, their fans and the game for the most part. They’re a business, and they are in the business to make money. Bully for them, I say. Can’t say they’re not dedicated and that they don’t bring it every day.

I ask you this question: If the Cardinals landed Sabathia, Texeria, and Burnett this year at the same contracts the Yankees gave them, would you rip up your membership in Cardinal nation? I wouldn’t.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Dec 24, 2008 3:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enough politics here.

There’s a lot I’d like to respond to. But this is devolving from something about baseball into something else. Leave it elsewhere.

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2008 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and agreed. No more political theory

even though I love it oh so much. Let them spend! Let them spend! The Marlins can still come to town and beat the crap out of them!

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 1:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is the ruination of our society

but it is also what has created all that we admire and we feel to be valuable around us as well. It is our world, and you probably aren’t going to change it until you make one generation live forever and stop all new life.

The Yankees will spend until the rules say they can’t. So, let them spend and lose.

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 1:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But it's not capitalism, really

Essentially major league baseball is a cartel.

Why does New York have so much money to work with? Because it’s got the biggest local market, and only has to share it with one other team. There should be 3, maybe four teams in the area. The Yankees would still be king, but the other teams would drain away some of the revenue.

But baseball would never let a struggling team move there, even though it would surely make more money than just about anywhere else.

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro

by DiscoJer on Dec 24, 2008 6:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think a more apt comparison to a political philosophy would be fascism

I can’t think of anything about them that I would call classy and I can’t think of what they’ve done to “advance baseball.”

by ol Pete on Dec 24, 2008 11:21 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How would it be Fascism?

Fascism is very nationalistic. And they advanced baseball through their shrewdness, strict business, and the monopolizing of prospects, what more can a team do to win?

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 1:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...besides put hits on the other teams players...

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Dec 25, 2008 1:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm more upset

that you couldn’t find a cow related pun for “all intents and purposes.”

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Dec 23, 2008 6:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Is the upside of this that the yanks are less likely to sign sheets,

the angels more likely to sign fuentes, and manny less likely to get a huge chunk of money? Because I’m okay with that.

by tom s. on Dec 23, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A whisper in the wind...........

“At the rate the Yankees are going, I’m not sure anyone can compete with them,” Brewers owner Mark Attanasio said in an e-mail sent to Bloomberg News Service. “Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap.”

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 24, 2008 12:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds like a case of sour grapes to me

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Dec 24, 2008 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously it does

not you of course, but the brew crew’s owner.

he knew long before he traded for CC that his team would never be able to afford him. yet he went out & got him anyway hoping he could ride the big fella to a ring. well that didn’t work out & the offer he made to keep him got blown out of the water by the Yanks. suddenly now he’s spouting off about a salary cap. i guarandamntee you if CC would have taken less cash to stay in Milwaukee, Mr Attanasion wouldn’t give a damn if the Yanks signed Tex, AJ or Albert Pujols.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 1:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He'd probably

be THRILLED if the Yankees signed Albert.

by spants on Dec 24, 2008 1:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he knew CC was gone.

Otherwise he wouldn’t have had him pitch so many innings and on such short rest in August and September if there was a chance of him comming back next year.

by Evilfrog on Dec 24, 2008 9:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait until he starts crying about not getting that first round pick

The Angels do get it, right?

Geesh, the odds I just pulled out of my ass say that at least one of those contracts in going to be a terrible burden. I, for one, will start crying about this only if the Yankees win the Series anyway**. Up until that moment I will be enjoying the hell out of the next Cardinal season.

**I probably won’t be crying about it then either. At least not any more than I do anytime someone other than the Cards win.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 24, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My perspective

I think the Yankees’ strategy has about the same odds of failing as it does succeeding.

- The one lesson that all GMs have learned is that long-term contracts to starting pitchers are a very bad idea. Since the Yankees have signed two of the most sought after starters, that means that 29 other teams now do not have the very real risk those players go down to injury and saddle them with an unmanageable contract. That makes every other team more flexible in the long-term and in turn, more competitive.

- The Yankees are where teams turn when they’re trying to dump overpaid players. Where will the Yankees look when Texeira turns into Giambi, CC into Zito/Hampton/etc? Nowhere. They’ll be stuck with them for the length of the contracts. If they do find a willing team then the Yankees will surely need to pay a large portion of the player’s salary for him to play elsewhere. (As an aside, does anyone know which team would have the burden of the player’s salary for purposes of calculating the luxury tax when two teams are paying him? Is it split between the two or assigned to the one that has him on the roster?)

- How much better are they, really? They lose Mussina (20-9, 3.37 last year remember), Pettite, Abreu and Giambi then pick up Tex, CC and Burnett. Those changes cannot equate to too many more wins.

- In a game where the greatest regular season teams of all time only win about 70% of the their games, there’s a lot to be decided on the field. If the Yankees truly have a 70% chance of winning every game (also 70% chance of winning a playoff series), then variance would dictate that they’re only expected to win the WS roughly one of every three years. Their current window cannot be much longer than three years — Jeter, Arod, Damon, Posada, Matsui, Nady, Burnett and Rivera are all on the wrong side of 30. Now that the steroid era is (likely) past us, I do not think we should expect Bondsian-like resurgences for them in their mid/late thirties. A lot more roster churn in the next few years is expected.

- My prediction: 2009, 95-98 wins. One major injury to either Burnett/CC in the next two years. No WS championship in the next three years. Tex to start slow in 2009 and have one of his worst statistical years — 850 ops, 25, 95, 100.

by your_all_morans on Dec 24, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great points

I would also add to all the “salary cap” people out there: This model works a whole hell of a lot better than the pre-1950’s model, where the Yankees just bought player after player, signed all the best prospects because there was no draft, and left all-star caliber players in the minor leagues because their major league roster was so stacked. They also could keep guys for a lifetime because of the reserve clause, and jettison those they didn’t want to some other club looking for a name player to make some bucks. The team they currently have constructed has 2 guaranteed HOF players on it: A-Rod and Jeter. They have a few others who might get in if they don’t get hurt, but only those two are first ballot shoo-ins. Compare that to the Bronx Bombers of the 1920’s, 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s and their current roster pales in comparison.

A salary cap really doesn’t solve any problems — the New York teams will still get a larger share of the good free agents and will completely outspend everyone on the Latin American market and with signing bonuses on draft picks to restock their clubs anyway. I feel like competitive balance is a myth: even in the NBA and NFL, the best run organizations, the ones with the most $$$ to spend, and the ones with the best geographical locations always have the ability to trump the lesser run teams. The Knicks were run into the ground even though they spent a bunch of money — now they have to suck for two years to clear enough cap space to make a run at LeBron in 2010. The Patriots, Giants, Colts, Cowboys, and Steelers have shown sustained success in the NFL while teams like Washington spend all kinds of money and never see the second round of the playoffs, and teams like Detroit stink for a decade despite drafting in the top 7 of the first round for the entire decade. Sure, you have flare-ups in each league from year to year, but the same teams win each year because they spend money wisely and make smart personnel decisions.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 12:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of the big difference in the NFL is the Draft

Draft players can make a big impact in thier rookie year. And it only takes a year or two for most players to be fully brought up to speed and playing to thier full potential. While in Baseball it can take even the best drafted player 2-3 years to reach the major leagues. And then it takes another year a lot of times before they are an everyday player.

So 2 or 3 years of good drafting can completely turn around an NFL team. In Baseball I would say it would take at least 5 years of good drafting{based on no evidence once so ever} to have a significant impact on at the Major League level.

by Evilfrog on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salary cap

I’d be in favor of a cap only if it did not affect a team’s ability to re-sign homegrown players. I’d loosely define homegrown as players drafted, acquired via trade or with the club for greater than 3-4 years or so (after a FA signing). So in essence, it would be a cap only on the free agent market and players re-signing could get paid on an uncapped basis.

This sort of cap would have a reverse impact on the value of players; players that re-sign with their current club can get paid more than what they could get in FA market. We would certainly see more dynasty quality teams and you would be able to identify with your team/players more since they stick around longer. The focus would still be on scouting and player development so there would be less reason to feel bad about the Pirates’ failure under that system. It would only work if the MLBPA saw the benefits of that plan though.

The cap only mildly works in the NFL because of the unguaranteed contracts. The NBA’s cap is crap. But either way, the real problem in sports (from the fan’s perspective), is free agency.

by your_all_morans on Dec 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree with your overall point

While NFL teams that draft well tend to do better, it’s inherent that you must retain your best players in order to be able to compete. Teams like the Colts, Pats, and Steelers really know when to cut the cord with players (Edge James, Ty Law and Lawyer Milloy, Kevin Greene and Joey Porter) who will cost them huge contracts when they might be declining as players. Yet none of those teams lost a step after they lost those players, they just replaced them and kept on going. They also don’t get burdened by huge contracts for completely unproven players. Ryan Leaf’s signing bonus finally came off of San Diego’s books after the 2007 season, even though he’d been out of the league for nearly 7 years.

Think about what would happen if each team in MLB had to sign their top draft picks to ridiculous salaries right out of the gate? The draft wouldn’t have any impact at all. Baseball teams that are run as poorly as the Royals and Mariners have been would be burdened with giant contracts to completely unproven players and would be paying for them for years even though they don’t make any impact on the ballclub. In that way, the NFL and NBA drafts tend to even themselves out within the framework of the salary cap. If the MLB had a draft like that, the big market teams still win because they can afford to throw away tons of cash on unproven players because of their huge market cap for salaries.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 2:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how you're disagreeing

NFL teams get punished in some ways by drafting well because they are forced to dump players for pure salary cap reasons. If they are so good at scouting that they manage to draft 7 pro bowlers one year, they’ll have no chance of signing them all after their slotted/rookie contracts end. Also, the average NFL career is much shorter than in MLB.

If the Royals sign the wrong player for a ridiculous sum, then they should be impacted by it. Exactly the reason why it works. I’m not proposing any changes to the salary structure or draft, although it should be international.

by your_all_morans on Dec 24, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My disagreement

is that there are some players that get drafted in the MLB that do end up making an impact in the first or second year, they just do it at a lot less cost than the NFL players do. The MLB system is kinda foolproof in that no team is ever going to sign a draft pick for a ridiculous sum of money before they know whether they’re going to be able to produce at the major league level.

I would also say that one or two years of good drafting can have a huge impact on a major league ball club as well. Look how much that has impacted the Cardinals and Rays’ systems in just a few drafts with Rasmus, Wallace, Craig, Price, Sonnanstine, and Shields.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Dec 24, 2008 4:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Signing High Draft picks for a lot of money

Is the down side to the NFL draft system. But it doesn’t really counter my point that it only takes 2-3 good draft classes to turn around a team. And teams that consently draft well are competitive despite not having the money that other teams have. The Rams have consently drafted poorly and it has shown in recent years.

This year they have the 2nd pick currently. They are more than likey going to be shopping for a lineman or linebacker. (im hoping for an O-Lineman myself.) They can trade down to about 6-10th pick of the draft and more than likely pick up a second rounder. (It would be awesome if they could trade Bulger away for a first round pick from someone too.)

And it wouldn’t surprise if 2-3 first year guys are starting for the rams next year. And at least Long and Avery will be starting for this years draft. Good chance Gerco is also.

Anyway. The draft is just different in the NFL. Not so much better. But I believe it is easier for a team to build from the Draft in the NFL than it is for team to build from the Draft in MLB. In the MLB you need a lot more years of well planned out drafts.

by Evilfrog on Dec 24, 2008 11:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In order to compete

I think the small and medium market teams need to spend a large chunk of their revenue in player development. They should look at the crop of free agents and if there is one who would definitely fill a glaring need, they should go all out to sign him. Pay a premium price for your target player. If the cards really thought Fuentes would make that much difference, they should have offered what he sought or at least enough to pressure him to sign. The cards offer did not accomplish that. The nationals however, did give it their best shot to sign Tex and the yanks bought him anyway. Sometimes you don’t get your target, but you gave it your best, and did not play games. But like the marlins, player development is the key. Spend your money for signing bonuses. For example, why would the cards step up for Fuentes, yet not for Porcello who they could have drafted rather than Kouzma. But Porcello was costly. Yet we might even see him this year in the bigs and he could be another Peavy. An ace under team control for quite some time. Like Wainwright. Waino is a great pattern for a small market team. The cards did that deal very well. It didn’t cost much and is paying great dividends. What I’m trying to say is that a small mkt team will only have star players if they develop them internally or trade for them when they are just prospects. Free agency is just not realistic if you can’t outbid the others for your target player. Otherwise you are just bidding on filler talent. So far I think the cards are doing everything right except for low balling their targets. Derrick Gould wrote a piece on this very subject in the post-dispatch.

victim of the sixties

by victim of the sixties on Dec 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Porcello would have been a nice pickup, but...

Evaluating talent for baseball is a difficult process. I don’t know if there has ever been a study, but a much higher percentage of first round picks in football and basketball appear to succeed. In comparison, how many first rounders for basball flare out or never make it?

With the downturn in the economy, maybe there is a lesson to be learned here. Perhaps the Cardinals, rather than matching last year’s payroll, should sit on a few million, and (very visibly) devote it to signing a high profile first round pick or growing some talent in Latin America. As a long-time Cards fan, I would APPLAUD ownership if salary fell to $95 Million, but they shifted the other $5 Million to other areas supporting long-time growth.

by JWO on Dec 24, 2008 4:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs/Yankees

I heard an interesting question posed by an emailer to ESPN radio today — who has spent more on payroll since they last one a WS title, the Yankees or Cubs? Pretty close I think.

by your_all_morans on Dec 24, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as much as I love that screen name

it is going to make me cringe every single time I read it

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 24, 2008 2:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it because of the grammatical errors in it?

“you’re all morons” looks much better

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 24, 2008 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is

the grammar, but mostly because it reminds me of the “Get a Brain! Morans” picture. The picture then just gets me all agitated. That guy just should not be a Cardinal fan. Call me highfaluting, but that picture just brings me down.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 24, 2008 5:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this one?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 7:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wanna hear something really depressing matty?

i have that same shirt

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 7:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The real question is....

Do you also have the gut and ’stache? ;)

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 24, 2008 8:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sadly, a little yes on the first

no on the second. but i do have a killer goatee.

i also have those Oakley’s, only a different color. and those shorts. but no on the doo rag & mullet.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2008 9:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so what you are saying is

that without a lot of effort, that picture could be you? Hell, it sounds like it really could have been you. So you went and got a haircut, modified the facial hair, and purchased a dictionary and a English textbook.

Now we have finally figured out why the Cards never win win you go to a game.

I have to admit that I am just a little disappointed that it took this long for the truth to come out. Sad day, sad day.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 24, 2008 9:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did happen to be the one that

posted the picture. Coincidence?

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 25, 2008 9:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh crap

i thought my secret was safe by trying to throw you all off by posting it

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 25, 2008 2:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will wait to decide what I think

until we hear from Liam on the subject.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Dec 25, 2008 1:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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