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by chuckb on Dec 18, 2008 11:31 AM EST
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I've put a lot of thought into it and I think we should sign Fuentes
Yes, I have been the #1 supporter of Chris Perez for closer in the past, but I think Fuentes is an outstanding talent that will make the bullpen a STRENGTH for the cardinals over the next 2/3 years.
I would rather see the Cardinals make 1 big splash for an impact player instead of spreading the money out to 2-3 mediocre players
www.salukihoops.com
I'd probably give Fuentes.....
$10M per yer for 2 years, or $8-9M for 3. If he doesn’t want to do that, I still don’t see why Hoffman isn’t an option. Sign him up for a year, and let the kids learn from another solid closer (Izzy the past year).
I don’t see much in the way of trading for a closer…..just not much out there.
Still wish we could swing Ank for either a Yankee package (Hughes? Kennedy? Cano?) or to Atlanta for Johnson and pitching.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on Dec 18, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
fuentes is waiting on tex
and when tex signs out east, the angels will take that pile of money and give fuentes his 3 year 30 mil contract.
I personally would rather have hoffman, he looks to me the type that would/could groom a young closer to be. I think about all the changes in his career he went form a dominant power pitching to a location pitcher. I also think he would get along well with tlr and duncan.
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
I'm with you too.
Last year was the most frustrating year because of the 8th and 9th inning, the team can’t go through that again. Has anyone ever considered grooming Kinney as a candidate for the closer role? I really really like that guy.
I Fourth...
I hated that feeling after our SP left the game… I need to feel safe again…
It's not what you do, It's who you do...
Wood's Deal
I think hurt our chances for getting Fuentes. When the K-Rod details came out, it seemed plausible to me that we could maybe get Fuentes for 2 / 8-9. But once Cleveland gave Wood 2 / 10+, it seems like Fuentes wants at least that.
Oh well, may be for the best, like so many think.
Didn't he lose his job in 2007
an outstanding talent that will make the bullpen a STRENGTH for the cardinals over the next 2/3 years
The guy lost his job to Manny Corpas at the All-Star Break. Yes, he regained it in 2008 and pitched well, but the point I want to make is that relievers just aren’t sure things, certainly not at age 33.
Moreover
Locking up $20 million over 2 years on a guy who could go LOOGY on us any minute should be considered Farnsworthy.
a large part of that
was due to injury. He was solid until a two week stretch or so where he was pitching injured before landing on the DL. Manny kinda just took it over during Fuentes’ DL stint.
On with the (good) youth movement!
I disagree
Today, December the 18th, 2008, Brian Fuentes is 33 years old. A two-year deal would take him through his Age 34 season. A three-year deal would last through his Age 35 season. Today, Jason Isringhausen is 36 years old, having just completed his Age 35 season. We all know how that Age 35 season played out. While signing pitchers is always a gamble injury-wise, once you get into the mid- to upper- thirties, it is especially like a crap shoot. The risk of injury and/or decline go up dramatically. That is why I would, at most, give Brian Fuentes a two-year deal. We paid Jason Isringhausen $8M last year for his 5.70 ERA and I would prefer not to pay Fuentes between $8M and $10M for the same thing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Which is why a two year deal will be best
But there are plenty of pictures did pitch successfully past thier age 35 season.
Yes, there are
But, the gamble of a guaranteed third year of $8M-$10M, given our position (two young fireballers), is not worth it, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree
The 3/30+ deal he is looking for would be bad for the Cardinals to take. But I don’t think the 2/16-18 deal would be a bad one. I think it will solidfy the Bullpen. Not only was the Closer roll bad last year. But our best Bullpen guy was Springer. So unless we get someone who can preform akin to Russ our bullpen is looking worse than last year. Fuentes can go a long way on fixing that.
But 3 years for any relief pitcher is retarded.
Since this is an open thread...
Random observation. I cannot get over how much some aspects of the off-season are subject to chance.
- The Cardinals are waiting on Fuentes to decide between STL and Anaheim.
- Anaheim is waiting on where Tex will land.
- The Red Sox cannot sign Lowe until they get an answer on Tex.
- The Braves, Angels and Dodgers are all hanging in the wind, waiting for Furcal.
- Some players (Manny, Sheets) are stuck in holding patterns while teams sort out FAs.
Bottom Line: There is this incredible cascade effect. When a player like Sabathia or Teixeira signs a big contract, there is a ripple effect across the pond. It just makes you appreciate how much of a team’s fortune is dictated by chance…
Furcal going to stay with the Dodgers
3 year deal, 33 Million…. I think. He has now pissed off the Braves who thought they had a deal…. Glad the Cards didn’t try real hard to sign him.
You’re right….. Looks like Tex needs to sign before the rest of the market is willing to get moving.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what he is waiting for
Tex was probably number 1 priority for a couple teams so he should of had a lot of bidding up front. I think they want to get the Yankee’s involved but the Yankee’s have too many 1B’s as is so I don’t see them heavily pursuing Tex. The scary thing with Tex is that I think we will have to beat his contract with Pujols. Imagine what Pujols could get on the Free Agent market? 10 years/$300 million?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 18, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
it is scary
But I wouldn’t be upset if Pujols makes that kind of money else where. They thing about it is that so much of that money will get put into the pockets of poor kids in PR and kids with Down syndrome. It’s amazing what Pujols builds with his salary.
Though I must say I perfer him with the BotB
What is really scary is they (owners) think a .290 career hitter
is worth $20 mil a year. He’s a good hitter and fielder, but he has only one All Star appearence….. not that that equates to his value….. but really…. 20 mil?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
of course not, but time and lack of math skills limit my response.
Forgive my ignorance for cherry picking one stat. This has happened before…. you think I would learn?
This is more a “shot” at the owners, not Tex…. Others here can say what his value is…. I humbly bow to thier knowledge. I’ll just read on.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ha...
…It’s okay. People who don’t know much aren’t problematic…it’s the willfully obtuse that are irritating. You do not seem to be the second.
Teixeira is a very valuable player. He’s a great fielder and a true switch hitter. He’ll hit 30-35 home runs annually, get on base at a .380 rate or so. If you’re going to use one stat, OBP is a good one (little hint ;)). Assuming he stays healthy he’s looking at a pretty daggone good career.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 18, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
beat me to it
as far as first baseman go, if you dont have a Pujols, is there someone else you would want other than Tex?
The only guy...
…with an argument is Berkman. However, in that case you are sacrificing a little bit of offense for a ton of defensive value. Teixeira is an awesome glove man.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 19, 2008 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nelson
I saw on MLBTR that the cardinals are one of the suitors for Joe Nelson. Any thoughts on that? They seem to be loaded on the right side of the bullpen, but it would be hard not to at least offer for a guy who posted an ERA of 2…regardless of any fancy projections or outlier seasons.
The importance of Avatars
Am I the only one that tend to give higher weight to commenters posts that have cool avatars or at least easily identifiable ones? It is sort of a sub conscious thing where you are reading a post but also look at the avatar to see who posted it. Like if I see someone without an avatar I almost write you off as a ‘noob’ that probably doesn’t know that much. Probably a poor assessment but unfortunately how I pre-evaluate posts.
Like when you see Lboros eye that watches us all I know it is him, azruavatar with Bender, KYCards with Burt Reynolds, RB with some kid smoking, Hardcore has that guy with a porn stache, and I got the laughing man.
Stat Whore
I definitely find it easier to visually identify the commenter
when they have an avatar. It’s easier to scan pictures than it is text.
Yes
Az, you threw my scanning off when you first unveiled your new avatar.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Im sure mine
Leads people to just skip over my post.
“Oh Evilfrog, he makes up most of his arguement anyway.”
Isn't RB's one of the little rascals?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I guess I had better go get an avatar.
That will make finally make all my inane rantings legitimate!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Hmm.
I have avatars turned off.
Makes loading the page noticably faster. <shrug>
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
hmm
good idea.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you think South Park is "cool."
Not that I contribute anything of note, really. I guess when you see my little South Park guy you can mostly skip those posts.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
I like it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
The avatar-less are noobs?
Wow, that hurts, FlimtotheFlam, that really hurts.
You're not a noob.
You’re pleasantly old-school.
The only comments I avoid are the ones that are longer than the main post. I read everything else.
If we're going to talk about anything
Im going to talk about my favorite baseball game, Ken Griffey All-Star Baseball for the N64. This game was awesome about making nintendo trades. I can’t remember my full lineup but it was something like Griffey, McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, a bunch of other power hitter, and John Mabry. I had to trade all my pitching and was left with a bunch of crap guys but I had Matt Mantei(sp?) who could throw a knuckleball. It was a sweet game.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Mine is MLB the show.
Though the Cardinals did just release my short stop.
He was 18 and led the Texas League in doubles, RBIs, Batting Avg and Slugging. He hit 14 HRs in the regular season and 5 in the Post season.
WTF Mo?
+1
i’ve spent way too much time playing that game.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
is that career mode
it is so freaking hard to get a position player to be a star in career mode…i don’t have the time or patience to play every game…pitchers are easy to turn in to HOFers though
road to the show
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
you don’t play every play of every game, just your at bats and any balls hit to you in the field. for a pitcher, again its only when you’re on the mound or at the plate.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
Yeah, I love that game, BUT
my major problem is that the GMs are complete morons. Maybe they improved this with the PS3 version, but on my lowly PS2 version I would sit back baffled over so many of the moves they made. Jay Payton is no replacement for Rick Ankiel.
On with the (good) youth movement!
with that said
“Road to the Show” is one of the best sports game mode ideas ever created.
On with the (good) youth movement!
RBI Baseball
Man, Nolan Ryan was frickin’ NAILS in that game. Unhittable with the pure speed and then the wobbling dirt ball.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 18, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I had
RBI 2 and 3 never played the first one. 3 had the 1990 stats and post season teams to ’87 but on mine it had a glitch so i could play with the ’85 cards.
Personally my favorite baseball game was world series baseball on the sega, had the ’94 toronto team with rickey henderson and devon white hitting 1 and 2 you could steal bases at will, although it had ed sprauge as the inning killing machine i could never get a hit with him. playing with st. louis was just depressing i have wiped those memories from my mind
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
Bert Blyleven was the nastiest guy in that game, by far!!!
His breaking pitches were completely nasty. And Pedro Gurerro was the slowest human being on the planet!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
YES!
It was so depressing playing with the cards on 3, that team was just bad other than tudor, although it didn’t have the willie mcgee trade yet, hard to believe he won the batting title that year.
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
MVP Baseball
I know you guys are going all nostalgic, but MVP, both in ‘03 & ’04 for xbox were the best baseball games…I didn’t go to class much after they came out each year
spent alot of time with '04
but i am a sega guy converter to playstation(2 in this case). It really is to bad EA doesn’t have the rights to or makes a mlb game, EA’s sports game’s always seemed better than everyone else’s. Although i think they did get lazy once they had the nfl locked up madden 04 and 05 where the same except new rosters.
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
MVP 05
I’ve modded the hell out of that game. My 67 Cardinals dynasty is at the midway point in the season.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 18, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
"The Bigs" for Xbox 360 is tons of fun
Albert Pujols is on the cover, and players can blast laser shots out of the park and throw 110 mph fastballs when your turbo is up. Good times. There’s also a pinball batting practice game that kicks ass.
www.salukihoops.com
baseball stars for nintendo
my favorite feature is controlling a pitch in-flight. change ups become fastballs, curves start right then move left then back to the right. bugs bunny changeups that start out as fastballs. great game.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Dec 18, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
That game rocked.....
You could create teams and players. I’d always create whatever LL team I was on, and make me a super player.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
I liked that game too
I liked the music that played in the background. Wasn’t there a team with all girls? Also another great one was Baseball Wars where you played with Robot’s and shot the baseball out of an arm cannon. Great stuff. I wonder if AZ played in the league.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I was into All Star Baseball by Acclaim
it was the most frustrating game ever though, because it had this bug that wouldn’t let your season get past halfway point or so.
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Deryk Hooker
Birdhouse continues the prospect countdown, with a freebie today on Deryk Hooker. Kid looks to have a bright future
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Could be this year's Jess Todd
Hooker’s continued success as he moves up the ladder is extremely impressive. He misses bats and shows very strong command especially for his age. I think there is an outside shot that he ends the year pitching at AA in his age 20 season. He along with Richard Castillo are two very young pitchers to watch this year.
yea...he is an exciting prospect
and he has a legitamite starter pitching body and arsenal…i would love it if the cards could start developing starting pitching talent on a regular basis(may be the most obvious statement in history)
Since this is an open thread, I'll tell a quick Pujols story
My best friend works at Macy’s in the Chesterfield Mall (selling lady’s shoes… Al Bundy style). He texts me and says: “OMG! APu just came in w/ wife!!!” I text back: “Go shake his hand, fool! Congrat him on MVP!!!” Then he texts back: “Can’t. Too intimidated!”
Later, I meet up with said friend to get the full story. Apparently Albert was tagging along with his wife while she bought make-up. Doug, my friend, said Albert looked really bored (obviously), so the mang started strolling the aisles looking for something to distract himself. Finally he came across a table with an assortment of digital picture frames. Albert was apparently taken by these, so he picked up the demo version and took it over to his wife, who summarily shook her head and told el hombre to go put it back. A small argument ensued, but Albert eventually put his tail between his leg and returned the picture frame to its original spot.
He then found a bench and spent the next 10 minutes playing on his phone, with a sad look on his face.
Doug reports that no one approached him during his entire visit to Macy’s.
The End.
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
Man
What a sad story. I guess behind every great man is a great woman who denies said great man the gadgets he craves.
I saw Pujols once in 2003, walking around on Rush Street in Chicago (I worked in a bar there at the time and the Cards were in town playing the Cubs). I just saw this big Latino dude walking towards me and didn’t really think much of it. Then as he walked past, I thought “Holy Crap! That’s Pujols!”
Didn’t bother to talk to him. Also too intimidated.
But I did get to talk to Matt Morris, Chris Carpenter, Larry Walker, Izzy, Randy Flores, Jeff Suppan, and John Mabry after the Cards clinched against the Cubs in ‘05. They all came in to the bar to celebrate. Mulder and Reggie Sanders came in for a minute too, but I didn’t get a chance to say hi. That was the highlight of my baseball fandom career.
"Chokes it hard down on the knob from the right side. Stands erect deep in the box."
by arch support on Dec 18, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
this makes me want to send him some digital picture frames
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
That story just shows the power.....
the women truly have. The greatest baseball player alive today, and he gets drug to the mall, and told no when asked to by something.
Unreal. lol
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
I feel like I'm still reading Wheel of Time or something!...
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
good book
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
That is hilarious. El Hombre makes all that money annually and he can’t even talk his wife into spending a relative pittance on a digital picture frame. He may be El Hombre, but unfortunately el es un hombre y las mujeres son las jefes.**
**No Spanish was intentionally harmed in the creation of this post…that is supposed to say "he is a man and women are the bosses. That was the idea anyway. I may have said that cheese is made with boiled beets.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 18, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
My friend has a story like that
The year was 2006, sometime in the fall.
We’re students at Wash U and his parents were in town and they took him to Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse in Clayton. When he goes in, he sees the entire Cardinals pitching staff out to dinner, chilling around a table. He didn’t have the courage to approach an entire table of Cards players, but he said that a little later on he took a pee next to Jason Isringhausen in the bathroom. Said he looked straight ahead the whole time.
He also reported that Jeff Weaver is just as ugly in real life as he looks on TV.
See,
I have another possible read on the story.
I’m betting Albert thought the digital frames would make good gifts for their hired workers (landscapers, housekeepers, etc) or neighbors. But Deidre has already bought them awesome presents. So instead, Albert decided to play on his phone.
Oh, and a small argument between married people is just negotiation between people who spend a lot of time together. I bet they have to adjust to all the togetherness during the off-season. I know I would.
Open Thread: Andy Van Slyke
How different would the Cardinals fates have been if we hadn’t traded AVS for Pena before 87?
In ‘86, Andy was our best offensive OF’er. In ‘87, he was replaced by Ford and Lindeman for a pretty average (to below average) RF platoon. Brunansky would have a great ’88 season but until hard-hittin’ Mark Whitten, we lacked a real power threat in the OF the caliber that Van Slyke was in his years in Pittsburgh.
So, how different would the Cardinals fates have been with Andy all those years instead of Pena?
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 18, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply actions
i always thought andy was the one who wanted out?
I still would rather have him as i would have pena, spanky lavalliere wasn’t the best but give him and van slyke for pena? never made much sense to me. Where losing alot of O for a catcher upgrade. That and lindeman was supposed to be a world beater and they thought pena was the missing peice.
but yeah van slyke was one of the reasons pit one all those nl east titles. But by the end of the 80’s auggie busch was no longer there to treat it like his toy and the rest of the busch’s only were interested if it was making money. So he most likely would have left as a FA any ways
"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"
Andy didn't become a FA until '94 though
Pendleton ended up being a FA in ’91 and he left, as I would have imagined after what Torre did to him.
Andy didn’t like the fact that Whitey rode him for not being the uber-prospect he was supposed to be (see: LaRussa-Drew). When Andy was traded, he ended up producing everything the Cardinals had always hoped he would be.
Also part of the problem was that Andy couldn’t hit lefties, so he would get stuck in platoons. He was also the ‘Pujols’ of the roster early on, being thrown around at 1B, 3B and the OF to fill in for injuries. He had been an IFer and pitcher his entire high school career and the Cardinals wanted him to play the OF instead. That frustrated him a bit.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 18, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Pendleton was a FA in '90
wasnt he? He won the MVP for Atlanta in ’91 his first year there. That would have made him a FA after in October of ’90, not that it matters much to your point…
Life is better when you have a Big Unit!
Looking back can be fun
How different would the Cardinals have been in the late ninety’s if we had signed Mark Grace and Craig Biggio back in ’95. Just looking at this article from New York Times reminded me that Gant was a consolation signing.
The St. Louis Cardinals also could suffer. They were one of four teams in the Biggio finals, and their losing the second baseman could influence first baseman Mark Grace to reject their offer, too.
“I think it definitely will have some impact,” Barry Axelrod, the agent for both players, said. “I’m not sure if it’s a fatal impact, but part of every process is looking at where you’ll have a chance to win. The presence of Craig in St. Louis would have added points on the scoreboard.”
Signing Biggio would have meant a whole new right side to the infield, no revolving door at 2B but also no Big Mac. A move that would have shaped the team for a decade, but alas it was never to be.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Dec 18, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
…the offseason before that (94-5) the FO was pursuing a big bat, with Larry Walker being an option. They ended up signing Scott Cooper. I don’t think that was a backup plan, I think it just happened. Cooper’s greatest skill was apparently the ability to throw the ball across the infield very very hard. The end of Brewery ownership was very very ugly.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 18, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
I never realized how hard St. Louis chased Biggio and Grace. Definitely puts a different spin on the late 90’s.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
DanUp, chuckb, etc
If anyone wants to do a fun “revisionist history” of the late 90’s Cardinals through today…look no further than this.
What if the Cardinals had signed Biggio and Grace in 1995 before the 1996 season?
Wow.
Yesterday I claimed that Felix Jose was my second favorite Cardinal of all time. It is amazing how childhood can really skew our image of a player. I thought he was the second coming of Eric Davis, but the guys career high OPS was .798!!!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
OK, how do I shrink my .jpg to fit the avatar size?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
my childhood favorite was
Willie McGee, but he’s not quite as good as I remember him to be
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know why Reds Reporter
has Gregory Peck as a homeless Rabbi for a logo?
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 18, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions
Cincinnatti listens to people that they can trust?
and if you can’t trust a southern lawyer cooking a kosher meal in a dumpster,
well, then, the world has grown far too cynical.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
thanks-- i have a new signature!
if you can’t trust a southern lawyer cooking a kosher meal in a dumpster,
well, then, the world has grown far too cynical
by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 19, 2008 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
brian giles hits girlfriend
what a douche bottle.
sorry if this was already mentioned somewhere, but i didn’t see it.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
Wow.
That video is pretty damning. What a dick.
I hope she and her lawyer take him to the cleaners.
I think someone in the Padres clubhouse needs to step up and slap HIM around some…
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Sounds like a shakedown because he wouldn't marry her
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 18, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
except for the part where he hit her.
in public.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
I just couldn't tell with the grainy video
Not saying I approve for the record.
My buddy used to be a clubhouse manager for the Cardinals. He used to handle the clubhouse for the visiting team. He was telling me that over 90% of the guys cheat on their wives. He has some crazy stories. My favorite was the one where Renteria almost beat up Mike Shannon because he caught him cheating at cards.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 18, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
unless you're the '86 Mets
then you bring your wives with you onto the plane and trash it, while god knows what else goes down.
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
because she's 23
and her father doesn’t know?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
that’s friggin unbelievable…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
You're financially dependent on your multimillionaire boyfriend
you’re probably not in a good mental place because of the abuse, and he convinces you that you won’t be able to take care of or look out for yourself, and that his money and lawyers are going to beat anything you can throw at him.
Or there are children involved, and you are afraid for them.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
please excuse this break in discussing domestic violence
deadspin has a great article on boycotting the bcs advertisers. sounds like a great new year’s resolution to me.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
I hear MLB is thinking about changing their logo
To make it more in line to what the League is all about.
Here is a preview:
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Dec 18, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hah!
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I watched him all year in Springfield
but I never checked out his stats before. Fernando Salas was a BEAST last season.
He is 23, and in 74 AA innings, he put up a 3.34 FIP with 100Ks to 16 walks. That’s a 6.25 K/BB ratio!!! For reference, Mariano Rivera’s career K/BB is 3.83.
Just thought I’d point that out. Hope he’s not the PTBNL on the Greene trade.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
miss the "reply" button?
Is this on Nelson?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
No...?
I was just throwing it out there. Did I miss somebody mentioning it above?
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Dec 18, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
my bad.... "him" is Salas
sorry….. having a bad “reply” day….. note to wife: need more franklins…..
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haha it's fine
I’ll try to ease up on using direct object pronouns before the noun I’m referring to.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Dec 18, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I too hope Salas is not the PTBNL
You don’t have to ease up….. I just need read. Will he be back in Springfield or get moved up to Memphis? I’ve heard praises about him…. but he was still a couple of years away from the Show.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Dec 18, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
What I heard he has very good off speed stuff
So he destroys AA players. I really want to see how he fairs at AAA where players see better off speed stuff.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 18, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
It would be sick
to see him come in throwing junk right after Perez and/or Motte were in bringing the heat. Could be a good combo if he can make it at the higher levels.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Dec 18, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
for a bit of fun
check out Salas’ page at minorleaguesplits.com, then click “normalize for park and luck”. No idea what algorithm is used to do the adjustments, but it makes him look pretty exciting.
FIP of 2.38, K/9 of 11.74, HR/9 of .7, BAA of .214..
they can't play baseball, they don't wear sweaters, they're not good dancers, they don't play drums
The algorithm is
“what his stats would look like if every batter he faced was Corey Patterson”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I may be biased...
but the cardinals are the coolest team in all of sports.
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions
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