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2009 Projection - How the Cards are an 83 Win Team

The idea of this post is to project the number of runs the Cardinals, as the rosters are currently constructed, will both allow and score in 2009. I first will use the lineup toy from Baseball Musings to project runs scored. Then, I will simply use ERAs for each pitcher on the staff over X innings to determine runs allowed. Finally, I’ll use the, albeit flawed, pythagorean expectancy formula to estimate the Cardinals’ record. I will use each of the Bill James and Marcel projections and I will also do a projection of my own. This is going to be a lot of numbers with tons of room for nitpicking. Hope you enjoy.

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First off we need to look at the accuracy of the lineup toy.  Here I've put in the OBPs and SLGs for each spot in the Cardinals' order from 2008.  You can find these numbers on Baseball Reference.  The toy says last years' lineup should have scored 5.268 runs per game, or 853 total runs.  In actuality, the Cardinals scored 779 runs.  That's a difference of -74 runs.  In 2007, the difference was only -34 runs.  I'll call the difference -50 runs from the toy's projection to actual performance for analysis purposes.  Now the Cardinals' pythagorean records (W^2 / (L^2 + W^2) in 2007 and 2008 were 70-92 and 87-75, respectively, while the actual records were 78-84 and 86-76.  Basically, this shows that the pythagorean records are not by any means exact, but they should be a decent estimate for most cases.  Now comes the fun part.

I need to decide who will be on the Cardinals' 25 man roster, and I'm doing the projections based on the same 25 guys being on the team the whole year.  The outfield is a logjam, so I'm going to stick with our best guys but leave Mather in AAA instead of Barton. My reasoning for this is if Ankiel gets traded, then Mather would be the one who would be most likely to replicate his production.  Here goes nothing:

C - Molina, LaRue

1B - Pujols

2B - Kennedy, Miles

3B - Glaus, Freese(!)

SS - Greene

OF - Ludwick, Ankiel, Schumaker, Rasmus, Barton

SP - Carpenter, Wainwright, Wellemeyer, Lohse, Pineiro

RP - Perez, Motte, Franklin, Kinney, McClellan, Miller, Thompson

            That's my idea of what the roster may look like as of now.  The Carpenter pick doesn't mean for a full season, I have him down for 100 innings.  I put Miles in there because who knows who our utility infielder will be at this point.  I'm not saying this roster is what I want, just what I think it may be, except for the Freese pick, but it's my fanpost so I'll do what I want! ;)

            First I'm going to talk about the pitching because those stats are much simpler.  When the IP totals didn't match last year's totals I added in "replacement" innings with a 5.00 ERA.  I'm not sure what the generally accepted replacement-level ERA is, but because there are so many innings left in some cases, I thought a 5.00 ERA would work.  These innings should be covered by another starter yet to be acquired or Mitch Boggs/Brad Thompson who should all be capable of a 5 ERA or (hopefully) better.  For the unearned runs total I used 60.  Last year's total was 48 and the defense shouldn't be too much worse this year.  This goal of this portion of the exercise is to find to total runs allowed.  Without further ado:

--------Marcel------------

-------Bill James--------

---thegodfather-------

IP

ERA

Runs

IP

ERA

Runs

IP

ERA

Runs

Carpenter

66

3.75

28

45

3.34

17

100

3.3

37

Wainwright

135

3.67

55

150

3.8

63

200

3.4

76

Wellemeyer

149

4.08

68

200

4.15

92

195

4

87

Lohse

176

4.27

84

191

4.41

94

195

4

87

Pineiro

130

4.92

71

142

4.63

73

140

5.05

79

Perez

46

3.91

20

48

3.9

21

65

3.49

25

Motte

31

3.77

13

31**

3.77**

13

65

3.54

26

McClellan

63

4.07

28

63

3.77

26

67

3.67

27

Kinney

29

3.88

13

29**

3.88**

13

52

3.55

21

Thompson

79

4.5

40

67

4.58

34

75

4.65

39

Franklin

72

4.19

34

79

4.36

38

79

3.8

33

Miller

51

4.32

24

47

3.96

21

40

4.25

19

Replacement

427

5

237

362

5

201

181

5

101

Total

1454^

4.43

715

1454^

4.37

706

1454^

4.07

657

Unearned*

60

60

60

Total

775

766

717

            Next, I have constructed a table with each of three projection systems that include OBP, SLG, and PAs.  Bill James uses ABs so I changed the table accordingly.  W. PAs represents "weighted plate appearances."  I used the projected Marcel totals and compared them to last year's PA totals.  I then used a percentage to weight the projections so that they totaled up to the same number as last year.  Both the Bill James and my own predictions already equaled the same total as last year (with a little tinkering of course).

----------Marcel---------------------

--------Bill James---------

-------thegodfather-------

OBP

SLG

PAs

W. PAs

OBP

SLG

ABs

OBP

SLG

PAs

Mol

0.333

0.378

482

502

0.329

0.37

473

0.34

0.38

483

Puj

0.429

0.591

588

612

0.443

0.633

575

0.445

0.628

650

Ken

0.332

0.368

413

430

0.332

0.368

348

0.325

0.375

400

Gla

0.358

0.466

564

587

0.367

0.49

539

0.365

0.49

600

Gre

0.291

0.408

477

497

0.294

0.408

581(!)

0.295

0.415

550

Lud

0.356

0.523

542

564

0.351

0.528

540

0.357

0.55

600

Ank

0.334

0.483

463

482

0.324

0.504

502

0.34

0.51

485

Sch

0.349

0.409

516

537

0.35

0.398

405

0.349

0.404

475

Ras

.331**

.422**

400*

416

0.331

0.422

472

0.347

0.45

485

Bar

0.35

0.419

290

302

0.359

0.4

115

0.35

0.39

300

Fre

.323*

.415*

250*

260

.329*

.432*

239*

0.342

0.45

325

LaR

0.294

0.352

314

327

0.322

0.37

154

0.3

0.35

210

Mil

0.33

0.365

449

467

0.334

0.372

360

0.33

0.355

420

W/o P

5748

5983^

5303^

5983^

P***

0.206

0.225

387^

387^

0.206

0.225

333^

0.206

0.225

387^

6370^

5636^

6370^

*Exact science of guessing used (no projections)

**Bill James/Marcel numbers used rather than guessing

***For pitcher #s I used the 2008 data

^Also 2008 totals

            Now here is where the real fun begins.  I took each player and made a vague attempt to guess how many PAs they would get in each spot in the lineup.  As you will notice, it's really not accurate, but I think that it is good enough.  There was no way I would have been able to predict all of LaRussa's lineup madness.  I'm leaving out the table with all of the PA numbers because I think it's unnecessary for you to read.  I took the individual player PAs divided by the total per each spot in the lineup (2008 data) to figure a percentage.  Here they are:

---------------------------------------Marcel------------------------------------

Lineup

% of PAs for Lineup Spot

OBP

SLG

1

Sch 69, Ras 3, Bar 15, Ken 13

0.344

0.406

2

Ank 58, Ras 21, Gre 5, Mil 16

0.331

0.448

3

Puj 83, Lud 17

0.417

0.579

4

Lud 60, Ras 20, Ank 7, Fre 13

0.345

0.486

5

Gla 81, Gre 11, Fre 8

0.348

0.456

6

Mol 70, Ras 9, LaR 7,  Mil 12, Fre 2

0.33

0.379

7

Gre 53, Bar 11, LaR 15, Mil 21

0.306

0.392

8

P 60, Bar 4, Gre 3, Mil 12, Ras 3, Fre 15, Gla 2, Mol 1

0.241

0.296

9

Ken 52, Bar 13, LaR 28, Mil 7

0.324

0.37

---------------------------------Bill James------------------------------

Lineup

% of PAs for Lineup Spot

OBP

SLG

1

Sch 57, Ras 9, Bar 13, Ken 14, Mil 7

0.346

0.378

2

Ank 71, Ras 24, Mil 5

0.326

0.478

3

Puj 93, Lud 7

0.437

0.626

4

Lud 77, Ras 16, Fre 7

0.346

0.504

5

Gla 86, Fre 14

0.362

0.482

6

Mol 76, Ras 21, LaR 3

0.329

0.381

7

Gre 93, LaR 4, Mil 3

0.296

0.405

8

P 59, Mil 9, Gre 3, Ank 4, Bar 4, Ras 2, Fre 19

0.257

0.262

9

Ken 44, Mil 37, LaR 19

0.331

0.37

----------------------------------thegodfather---------------------------------

Lineup

% of PAs for Lineup Spot

OBP

SLG

1

Sch 61, Ras 6, Bar 20, Ken 13

0.35

0.392

2

Ank 57, Ras 24, Mil 15, Fre 4

0.34

0.467

3

Puj 88, Lud 12

0.43

0.616

4

Lud 70, Ras 14, Ank 7, Fre 9

0.353

0.526

5

Gla 83, Gre 7, Fre 10

0.358

0.482

6

Mol 69, Ras 19, LaR 8, Mil 4

0.338

0.39

7

Gre 75, Bar 11, LaR 7, Fre 7

0.305

0.411

8

P 60, Bar 4, Mil 12, Gla 1, Ank 2, Ras 3, Fre 14, Ken 4

0.256

0.302

9

Ken 43, Bar 7, LaR 17, Mil 33

0.324

0.365

            Having fun with the numbers yet?  At this point my head (and calculator) were about to explode.  Finally I took the percentages and multiplied them by each player's OBP and SLG.  I added each of them up to come up with the total for each position (listed in table above).  These values are what I used to calculate runs per game on the lineup toy at Baseball Musings.  I took off 50 from each total based on the fact that the lineup toy has overrated the offense the past couple of years.  Here are the results:

Marcel 794 runs scored - 50 = 744

Bill James 825 runs scored - 50 = 775

thegodfather 843 runs scored - 50 = 793

            Once I had the runs scored, I used Bill James' pythagorean formula to figure out the estimated W-L totals.  Warning: they aren't pretty.

Marcel 78-84

Bill James 82-80

thegodfather 89-73

            Now it's time to reflect.  These results are obviously just rough guesses.  There are a million things that I could have done differently (that you are more than welcome to point out).  What this does tell us, however, is that the Cardinals, as currently constructed, are not a 90+ win team.  Sure, if there are no injuries, Carpenter comes back, and everybody puts up career numbers, they will easily be a 90 win team.  Honestly, we all know that's not all going to happen.

            So what can be done to improve the team?  If you look at the projections for our bullpen, it looks like it could be a strength.  Let me rephrase that, our bullpen could easily be a strength without adding a "proven closer."  The starting rotation, on the other hand, is weak.  Based on the numbers, a starter is what the team needs.

            Sorry this post was so long but I wanted to show you all of my information.  Thanks to RunninRedbird for helping me with my own pitcher and hitter projections.  They are optimistic but I don't believe too much so.  Hope you found this interesting.

References: Baseball-Reference, Fangraphs, Baseball Musings

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one thing this does well is break down the pitching issues w/ the team very well.

If you draw a line under pineiro’s name and look above it, those are our current starting five. those are the IP and the runs projected for the 5.

the biggest problems is pitching innings. by most accounts, carpenter and pineiro together make 200 innings (you’re a bit more generous w/ 240). I think marcel is pretty stingy in projecting innings for our rotation, giving only lohse anything close to 200.

but if the rotation is not going to be good for even 800 innings out of 1400+ pitched, then paying top dollar for someone who may nail down – what? 50? makes little sense.

We need at least one serious starter and probably two. if dave duncan has to stretch the bullpen figures to the max AND stretch out the rotation with brad thompsons, we are going to hemorrhage runs.

by tom s. on Dec 17, 2008 8:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

88 wins

mark it down
j/k

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2008 8:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I say 92

Carp is the key. If the rotation is what it looks like now, I can see 83. If Carp only pitches 45, 66, or 100 innings, 83 -88 win seems about right.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 17, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well yeah

if we have vintage carp, we’re sitting pretty… the carpenter really is the lynchpin here (at this point)

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see us being a 90-win team.

Or at least hover around there: 89,90,91.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Dec 18, 2008 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the offense is there

90 wins is possibly with some pitching

"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"

by elirock83 on Dec 18, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My guess, 90

Mattyfrommo’s right, it’s all gonna depend on Carp pitching well this season.

Monta! Montaye! Montae!

by Baked Biedrins on Dec 17, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

win total

160

They’ll lose the first two games of the season, everyone will panic, then they’ll set things right and rip off 160 straight wins. Then they’ll lose in the first round to the Braves.

That is all assuming Carp is healthy. If he can’t go all bets are off.

by abothecardinal on Dec 17, 2008 9:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thats almost exactly what I was thinking...

except I had them marked down in an extra innings loss to the pirates in july/august with kip wells hitting a HR. We’ll see how it goes though.

by WyoCardsFan on Dec 18, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really Good work

I actually tried this the other day, and gave up after realizing how many variables there are. You’ve done a nice job projecting many of the variables, and I for one appreciate your hard work. Pip over at “Fungoes”: did this today with the offensive side using a version of WOBA and plugging them into fan graphs. He came up with 763 runs scored. Another number to plug into your pythag.

I'm Glad I'm not an Astros Fan

by Dave Barry on Dec 17, 2008 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let's try this again

Fungoes. I’m blaming this on my hyperventilating geek browser

I'm Glad I'm not an Astros Fan

by Dave Barry on Dec 17, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should improve this year

The bullpen will be much better, even with out adding a closer, because we will be taking the innings from Flores, Izzy, Thompson and Villone and we will be giving them to Motte, Perez, Kinney and Miller.

Our offense will stay the same because while Ludwick, Yadi and even Pujols will probably regress a little from last year, we can expect that Glaus, Ankiel, Greene and Kennedy will have better years. Also Duncan, Mather, Barton, Freese, Craig and Rasmus will give us a ridiculous amount of depth if anyone gets injured.

Our starting pitching should improve because Carpenter and Waino should pitching a lot more innings. An while we can expect a regression of Lohse, Welly and Piniero should improve. Also I think that Moz will trade one of our outfielders for a young starter, or we will get a Randy Johnson for a one year deal.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2008 10:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

All of these things ‘should’ happen IF we stay healthy. But that has been our biggest problem over the past 3-4 seasons.

Btw, godfather, when you first recruited me for this I had no idea there would be so much involved after my part. All I did was predict PA’s, OBP’s, SLG%, IP, and ERA’s, but you took those numbers and put alot of time and effort into it than I ever expected and did great work. Bravo sir!

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 17, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Runninred,

Where do the Rasmus slash lines come from in your signature?

by WyoCardsFan on Dec 18, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are Raz's

AA Springfield numbers from 2007. Disgusting, right? ;)

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 18, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think so!

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 19, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

another brutal thing on reflection:

we are lacking two of our “replacement level” options. garcia and parisi. neither burned the barn down last year, but both would be our replacement level options.

Now we have boggs. The next steps down the ladder are Todd, Walters, Mortensen. not sure we want to go there yet.

by tom s. on Dec 18, 2008 12:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Todd maybe

He at least has great control, so he wouldn’t be a bad option if we had to start him.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 18, 2008 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent post btw

this crystal ball stuff is sort of murky, but I like it.

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad

To look at the fanposts and see that god-awful Greene post has finally disappeared

Good work. Here’s hoping that something changes with the rotation and not the back of the pen. I wonder what the projections would look like if you added Ben Sheets or Randy Johnson in there?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 18, 2008 2:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks everyone

For your kind comments, I’m glad my work is appreciated. I just want to clarify that I’m not trying to forecast an 83 win season. Sure, I’d say 83 wins would be close to right if the Cards don’t add anyone else, but my own projection said 89. I’d say a 90 win season is within reach with health, another SP, blah, blah….

RE: Ben Sheets – Here are the projections when you add in Ben Sheets:

Marcel: 3.59 ERA 173 IP -——————81-81
Bill James: 3.39 ERA 186 IP -————86-76
thegodfather: 3.40 ERA 150 IP -———92-70

Now don’t those projections look a lot better? That’s an averaged projection of 86 wins rather than 83. I’m liking this idea. Sheets has averaged 149 IP a year over the past three years. I think that is worth a 2 year 30 million dollar contract. If you look at the single addition to the team that could have the greatest impact, this has to be it. Adding another younger starter would be fine, I’d be thrilled, but this is Ben Sheets. He could be dominant. Who wouldn’t love to see a 1,2,3 of Carp, Sheets, and Wainwright, with Welley and Lohse as a powerful 4-5 combo? (My keyboard is dripping with optimism, it’s pretty disgusting actually)

Anyway, I just have to say that if Sheets is available short term, he’d be a wise investment, and he is nowhere near as big a question mark as Carpenter is.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 18, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would be okay with giving Sheets 3 years if neccesary.

I know that is a lot of money to Lock up in the starting rotation though.

by TheBirds on Dec 18, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post!

I’ve been in several discussions lately about the uses of stats for projections, and this is about as great of a job as I could think of when taking into account 25 players over a whole season. Great job!

by WyoCardsFan on Dec 18, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just for grins

what happens to the predictions if Brett Wallace is Glaus’ backup at 3B?

by StanTheManFan on Dec 20, 2008 10:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Or if...

Wallace is the backup in the CI and Mather is in for Barton.

by stlfan on Dec 21, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see,

But as RunninRedbird said, there are no projections available for Wallace. I can’t see his numbers being significantly different than Freese’s this season either, so I doubt the W-L totals would change at all.

On Mather…. I would also like to see this. It would take me a couple of hours to do though because I would have to reconstruct all 3 lineup weights (of PAs), then figure the percentages, then weight the OBPs and SLGs, then plug them into the lineup toy. Pitching changes are much easier to account for. In short, I already spent WAY too long on this fanpost to redo it with a Barton-Mather switch. If someone else wants to do it, I’d be interested to see. All the data is there and if someone needs the table with specific PA data that I omitted I will be glad to post it.
              Bill James—-Marcel—-TGF
Mather: .328/.494 .330/.445 .335/.510
Barton: .350/.419 .359/.400 .350/.390

Interesting tidbit: Ankiel’s AAA line: .267/.312/.568
                              Mather’s 08 AAA line: .303/.395/.630

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 21, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I meant

There aren’t Marcel or Bill James projections for Wallace. I used their numbers in the projections so it wouldn’t be pertinent for me to plug in the ZiPS. Perhaps I should have included ZiPS in the original post but hindsight is 20/20.

If I had used ZiPS, though, Freese’s numbers are .321/.428 while Wallace’s are .333/.424, so replacing Freese with Wallace wouldn’t have made a difference in the number of wins anyway.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 21, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be tough

to determine that because there are no Bill James or Marcel Projections for Wallace. It was the same way for Freese. The godfather and I just had to sort of ballpark what we estimated Freese’s projections would be. I’m sure tgf can run some numbers, but there is less chance of it being accurate.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Dec 21, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with a better pen, a better rotation, and a better O

i don’t see how they aren’t a 95-100 win team. the flubs & brew crew won’t be as good. neither will the rest of the central. i don’t by the doom & gloom projections. i just don’t.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 22, 2008 12:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the Brewers will be down...

but I could see the Cubs doing just as well as last year…maybe slightly worse…

by stlfan on Dec 22, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean IF

they get a “better pen, a better rotation, and better O?” If so, yeah I agree, but if you are talking about what they have now, that’s not true.

I’m not trying to forecast doom and gloom. I simply ran the numbers (hah, simply…). My projection, after all, is 89 wins. That’s 89 wins as the team is currently constructed. 83 is the average.

Do you really expect 95-100 wins out of this team? Last year’s total was 86. Sure, the bullpen is improved. We’ve replaced Villone/Flores/Isringhausen with Miller/Motte/Perez/Kinney and that’s a huge step in the right direction. The offense should be marginally better because of the Iz2/Greene switch, but Ludwick will almost certainly regress some. The rotation is definitely worse. Lohse will regress, and possibly Wellemeyer, then we have Wainwright. What else is there that’s positive? Pineiro? Boggs? The gamble on Carpenter? That is most certainly NOT a 95-100 win team’s rotation.

I did a projection of the team with Ben Sheets and came up with 92 wins personally and an 86 average. I don’t think that’s doom and gloom by any means. If you think you can explain reasonably how the Cardinals are a 95-100 win team this year, I’d love to see it.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 22, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes i thought i put "IF" in front of everything. my bad

damn late night posting.

the big question with this club is the rotation. they have the O, the D & the Pen of a 95+ win club, but do they have the horses up front to pull them to the promised land?

we have Wagonmaker & then a bunch of question marks. i think the Tadallion will actually improve, but he could just as easily be an epic fail. the same goes for Lohse. we saw what happened with him during the second half. which causes us to question is he a good starter or a crappy starter that fell ass backwards into an awesome first half? can Daddy Dunk work his magic on him & Tadallion for a full season? or is the Grand Wizard’s Bag O Tricks empty?

can we & should we count on anything from Carp? obviously i think not. of course the last time he had this nerve thing he won the freaking Cy Young the following season. but we seriously can’t be foolish enough to expect history to repeat itself. and neither can the Cards.

Pinata is a lost cause of suck who will continue to disappoint everyone. that leaves PK & Boggs as our 4th & 5th starters right now. can that really be? everyone knows i luv PK a lot too much, but even i don’t think he can be a successful 4th or 5th starter. MO won’t let the Cards go into the season with this as their rotation will he? gawd i hope not. and that’s what i’m basing my thought process that this team can in fact win 95+ games. he’ll do something, either trading Babe 2.0, and or sign The Big Unit, Sheets, Penny, hell maybe even bring LOOP back that will solidify the rotation & make the Cards a true contender for the playoffs. he has to. he just has to. it’s his job right? there’s too many options left out there for him to just sit on his hands & do nothing.

right????

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 22, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's cool...and I agree with most everything

I think that Mo will surely make an addition to our rotation, I just don’t know how or when. My idea was to prove that we DO need another starter. Not to sound stupid, but who is the Tadallion? Are you talking about the Colonel?

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, that's his self given nic name & he prefers everyone call him that

i’m not joking.

now that i think about it more, i really think we need not only 1, but 2 more starters. Pinata, PK & Boggs just don’t cut it. right now they can fight over the 5th spot, but there’s no way in hell they should be 3, 4 & 5.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Dec 23, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about with Derek Lowe?

His price seems to be dropping in recent days. He’d still cost more than Sheets, but he’s less of a health question.

"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by TurdFerguson on Dec 22, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Derek Lowe

Marcel: 185 IP 3.65 ERA -——————-81-81
Bill James: 206 IP 3.60 ERA -————-89-73
thegodfather: 200 IP 3.52 ERA -———-93-69

That’s an 88 win average. The Bill James win total jumps 7 wins with the addition of Lowe. I think his ERA could actually be lower than any of the 3 projections above (my own included) because 1) he is a ground ball pitcher under Dave Duncan and 2) he is a GB pitcher in front of a St. Louis defense. I think it’s a fantasy to think we will sign him, but he sure as hell would solidify our rotation. If he signs a 2-3 year deal for 15 million per, the Lohse signing will look even worse IMO.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Dec 23, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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