Opinoins on Most Overrated and Underrated Free Agents!
Most Overrated: Mark Teixeira don't know why I say this, just don't like the guy, he had great numbers in 08 but don't like him. I feel like he only played that well because it was a contract year and he's been on record as saying he'll play for whoever pays the best.
Most Underrated: Raul Ibanez, I had to live in the Seattle area for 3 years and going to watch Raul was one of the only cool things to do in that state...its unfortunate he was never a part of Cardinal Nation, I think he would've been a fan favorite. The Philles picked him up for probably the rest of his career, he's startin to get up there in years.
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Underrated
is some coombination of Dunn/Burrell-the Dodgers or Giants ought to pick one of them up.
Overrated would have to be A. J. Burnett. There is no way the Yankees don’t regret that contract sometime during the next 5 years.
Blake to the Dodgers could turn into a disaster too.
Best high/risk high/reward move is Wood to the Indians. The Indians could do that because they have only one other dumb contract-of course, it’s a long one with Travis Hafner…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Dec 15, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting subject...
Overrated- I’ll have to go with Orlando Hudson. I was a big fan of the O-Dog a couple of years back, but he looks like the second baseman’s despair (turning 30), is beginning to catch up with him, as his offensive numbers have been pedestrian if you adjust for park, his defense looks to have regressed, and wrist injuries can do bad things to a players’ bat speed. (See our own Juan Encarnacion for details.) People still fawn over Hudson, though; I think it’s definitely one of those cases where everyone thinks he’s still the player he was a couple of seasons back.
Underrated: Ben Sheets. How many times do I have to stump for this guy before someone, anyone, listens?!!?! Look, I know he gets hurt a lot. So does A.J. Burnett, and he just got five years and 80 mil from the Yanks. I think Sheets is probably the second best FA pitcher on the market this year, and yet he’s strictly been back-burner so far. Very puzzling, to me, at least.
It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.
by the red baron on Dec 15, 2008 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the way Sheets is getting treated this offseason is baffling.
I’m actually starting to gt mad that the cardinalshaven’t made an offer the way that things are playing out.
But then again, maybe they have.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Dec 15, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I back the Sheets idea.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 15, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, also,
you should really look at Texeira’s career numbers again. He’s a pretty damned good player, on both sides of the ball. As for the whole ‘playing where they’re paying’ thing, eh, at least he’s honest about it.
It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.
by the red baron on Dec 15, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Mark Teixeira is an outstanding player. He gets on base, he has power from both sides of the plate, he is a great fielder, and he seems like a good guy. I mean, a 134 career OPS+ is nothing to spit at, and his combined VORP last year was 65.3 between the two leagues, which ranks third amongst 1Bmen. He was the Angels best player once he was traded, hitting 13 bombs and posting a 1.081 OPS. He would be the best player on any team he signed with, minus the Cardinals and maybe the Yankees. Furthermore, I don’t see the fact that he wants the most money as a bad thing. Wouldn’t you?
Raul Ibanez, on the other hand, is merely okay. He’s a decent bat who will post about the same numbers every year. However, he’s getting quite old (36) and has never been any kind of decent fielder. The Phillies were foolish for signing him when they could have just arby’d Pat the Bat…Neither can field, but Burrell is a better offensive player and is younger.
I think Hudson may indeed be the most overrated. The guy has a reputation as a good infielder, but over the past two years he hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire. He made a ton of OOZ plays in ‘07, but his RZR wasn’t very good either of the past two years and his UZR has been negative three years straight. With his wrist issues I have doubts about his ability to bounce back offensively. He smells like a lemon to me.
Underrated? Well, I think I have to agree with theredbaron on this one as well…it’s gotta be Sheets. The dude can flat out pitch. Period. When he’s healthy, he’s nasty. Of course he’ll probably miss some time here and there. However, this only drives his price down, so the team that takes him will get an elite-level arm at a bargain price. I’d still imagine he’ll be able to throw 160-80 innings this season, and what a marvelous 160-80 innings it would be.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 15, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
More on Ibanez
This is what FanGraphs has to say about the dude, and it pretty much supports what I said.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 15, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Overrated – Fuentes. I hate FA valuation of closers.
Underrated — Furcal. Average offense and average defense at SS is more valuable than most realize.
by azruavatar on Dec 15, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
underrated:
Dunn and Sheets
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 15, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Overrated:
Fuentes.
Underrated: Randy Johnson/Oliver Perez
Sadly, we’re headed toward signing the first and neither of the latter…
by guayzimi on Dec 15, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOW.
He looks worse than Chris Duncan. Not saying he is worse, but that is some ugly, ugly baseball.
Love the pitcher reaction in the last one.
by spants on Dec 15, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is worse
Duncan has more footspeed, and UZR has him at about a -7, where as Ibanez has been a -23, and a -11 the last two seasons.
by JI on Dec 15, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet mother
of all that is holy and good! He is fucking TERRIBLE!
by spants on Dec 15, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the one where he throws it into the ground
but damn that look on Felix’s face is hilarious.
by azruavatar on Dec 15, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW
Those are three of the funniest baseball videos I’ve seen, particulary the last two. That throw in the middle one is even worse than Ray Lankford’s throw into the stands a few years back. I wish I could find video on that one, but it was quite hilarious.
However, the one in the middle may actually be the worst throw ever.
I love King Felix’s reaction shot.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most overrated
is every single closer on the free agent market. I guarantee that if Chris Perez gets a shot to close this year he will be within 5 saves of K-rod, with very similar peripheral numbers (high walks, high strikeouts, low hits).
I think though that Fuentes is underrated compared to other closers. According the this article, Fuentes was the 5th best reliever in baseball last year. If you take the leverage of the situation into consideration, he was the 2nd best.
Most underrated is Adam Dunn. How can a guy with with 5 straight seasons of 40+homers and 100++ walks and a career .899 OPS not be considered better than Ibanez, Burrel or Abreu. He is the most consistent player in the majors right now, not including Pujols.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 15, 2008 10:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jon Garland is pretty overrated
Hudson too
I like Randy Johnson and Sheets as most underrated.
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by erik on Dec 16, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
overrated; burnett who only pitches to his potential in contract years
underrated; lowe, who is more dependable and a more consistent pitcher than burnett.
i’d like to see the cards make a big push to sign lowe. he would solidify the rotation and is a made for duncan ground ball pitcher. he doesn’t want to take a pay cut so i’d offer two years at 16 with an option or three at 15. then trade to fill in bullpen.
victim of the sixties
by victim of the sixties on Dec 16, 2008 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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