How desperate are the Pirates?
Here in St. Louis half of the fan base is complaining about the Cardinals not ponying up the money for a "big name player". Hey the ownership owes it to us don't they? Isn't that what they told us they would do when we agreed to help them build the new $346 million stadium? Of course it seems a lot of people here don't seem to think we should give Fuenetes about ~$10 million a year for 3 years. I mean really, that's like 9% of a new stadium?
But the Pirate fans don't have to worry about calling into radio stations and complaining about "Piratespeak." With a payroll coming in somwhere around $40mil this year they just know thier team isn't going to sign well...pretty much anyone not named Ramon Vazquez. It's not like they didn't spend a good chunk of money on PNC park. Public founding is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $174 million tax payer dollars. {I'm actually not sure how much Busch cost the St. Louis public. I know the Cardinals were putting in something like 78% but I forget the exact amount.} Not to mention GM pulling outing thier sponsorship. What are the Pirates going to do to end 16 years worth of losing?
Meet Rinku Singh and Dinesh Patel. Two new arms that will be in Florida with the Pirates when pitchers and catchers report. They are the first Indians to sign a Major Leauge contract. Both of these kids (Patel is 19 and Singh is 20) have been throwing a baseball for about a year now. Winners of the Million Dollar Arm. {or about .3% of a new staduim} This was a nation wide Contest in India to find people who can throw over 85mph. Could you imange if the Cardinals did this? I would have to listen to the Tom and Jeff comment line on the way home{Ugh. Now that damn jingle is in my head.}. No way I could listen to those callers on sports talk.
Patel sports a 85 mph fastball that touches 87. Singh is a little slower but might have a higher ceiling according to the scouting report. I guess when you don't have a payroll and have lost for 16 straight years it's ok to take a chance on something like this. Unfortunely for Pirate fans I can only see this guying two ways. Either they flame out in the minors. Or they make it to the majors only to have the Pirates filp them for Prospects instead of resigning them. Followed by the Yankees and the Red Sox setting up camp in India and handing out 1% of a staduim signing bonuses to 16 year olds through India.
But for now I'm going to keep an eye on them and hope to get a glimpse at them in Spring Training. And for those interested. Here is thier blog so you can follow along with them adjusting to America. Good luck Patel and Singh!
Edit: I just realized this post came out a bit more negative than I entended. Im just not able to get my saracism across enough. What i meant to communicate that I think this is a good gamble for the Pirates. They are getting two strong, fresh arms with no miles on them. Neither of these guys have been taught any bad habbits. And they are getting them for nothing. And also that due to the fan base a team like the Cardinals would not be able to do due to thier fan base. St. Louis fans just wouldn't accept that while he had a pay roll of $40 mil.
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I must admit
I am curious too see how they fare. You might want to edit this to reflect whether they are RHP or LHP.
by spants on Dec 11, 2008 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
I think there’s loads of talent out there in untapped markets. Part of the problem is there just are not enough scouts to spare to send to the far corners of the world. Contests like the one Patel and Singh took part in are a great way to find potential major league potential.
by mateodh on Dec 12, 2008 12:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My friend had sort of the same attitude as you when he emailed this to me
This is what I responded to him:
I dunno, I think it’s a good idea. They’re costing the Pirates almost nothing and they do have potential, since they’re only 20 years old. They’ll probably never amount to anything more than relief pitchers, but a strong fastball is a good thing to have.
I think of them as younger versions of what could become Jason Motte. Motte basically only throws a fastball (97-99 MPH), but he still dominated AAA and had a nice debut for the Cards last year. And he is a converted catcher, so it didn’t take much for him to adjust to being a reliever. Grant Balfour is another guy who throws almost only fastballs.
I looked it up — Motte threw 89.4% fastballs at 97 MPH. Balfour threw 91.3% fastballs at 95 MPH. FanGraphs is an awesome site.
I’m not sure what it takes to develop a dominant and predominant fastball other than mid-90s velocity. It’s not like guys don’t know what’s coming. Deception? Height (Motte is 6 foot, Balfour 6-2)? Anyway, if these guys can start throwing harder with improved mechanics and baseball-focused arm-strength, then they could turn into that, I guess.
Probably not, though. Still, I think it’s a smart move. Zero risk, possible reward.
by mojowo11 on Dec 12, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My first thought,
upon hearing about this awhile back, was that they’ll need to learn all the fundamentals: all the baseball rules, how to bunt, how to run the bases, how to field their position, how to read signals, etc. STEEP learning curve for starting out pro.
by spants on Dec 12, 2008 12:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, what's the downside here? paying these guys a minor league wage?
that’s actually very clever.
half of sports is genetic anyway, how much muscle you have, the point of insertion on the bone. if you find someone with an 87 mile per hour fastball who’s never been trained, imagine what they’ll do under serious tutelage.
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cricket
Isn’t India well known for cricket? You would think there are a lot of kids out there slinging a ball as hard as they can that could be converted to pitchers.
by paposse on Dec 12, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cricket bowlers
aren’t even allowed to ‘throw’ the ball and the best still bring it in upwards of 90mph. I Can’t imagine what the top arms in India, Pakistan, Australia etc. could do with a baseball after a year or so of training. I don’t know if anyone here has any interest in the sport, but it’s really great and has a lot of similarities to our beloved baseball. Lots of little nuances and subtleties to appreciate and immerse yourself in. Plus, it too is a game built on a wide variety of statistics and numbers, which for me is one of my favorite things about baseball.
If they could only work on those 50 hour matches.
by lunchboxbomb on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally,
I’m not sure why no one ever offered Shoaib Akhtar a developmental contract. He throws the larger cricket ball over 100 mph and his mechanics have been compared to Tim Lincecum. He’s into his thirties now, so it’s not much use, but the situations in India and Pakistan economically are pretty comparable to south america for many of the people in the lower classes.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on Dec 13, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to the BBC story on this
apparently baseball is becoming popular amongst the underclass in India, who reject the expense and haughtiness and britishness of cricket. It’s still much, much smaller as a sport, but interest in it is growing, as it is gradually seeping over from Taiwan Korea, and Japan.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Dec 12, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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