Glaus robbed of his gold?

by gsjefferies93 on Nov 6, 2008 4:49 PM EST Comment 18 comments

Hi all,

Glad to see Yadi finally pulled his deserving hardware and I hope Albert's is still on its way. I looked at the stats today and noticed that our own Troy Glaus had a great year fielding shots at the hot corner. In 146 games at third he made only 7 errors for a fielding percentage of .982, while winner David Wright played in 159 games, making 16 errors for a percentage of .962.

Kouzmanoff also had a good year in San Diego, but in terms of actual fielding numbers Troy had the best numbers far and away. He made the least errors and had the highest FP of any player in the majors, yet got rejected; too bad, since we knew he brought a good bat to STL, but weren't sure about that glove. He certainly pulled his weight.

Unfortunately, it seems like the NY media was too influential and snagged the award for Wright, who did have a better year at the plate than Troy but not by much. It would be nice if Gold Gloves were still given to the players who play the best defense in their league, but it seems like it's a rare occasion these days.

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…Going off those numbers it’s hard to say why he didn’t win one…

HOWEVER: there are better stats than those to analyze fielding. Glaus was middle of the pack in RZR and OOZ at third, and while I was unable to find where he sat in Dewan’s +/-, I believe he was at about +3 to +6 or so.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 6, 2008 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how you can argue too much against David Wright.

He’s really, really, good. I think Brian Giles got robbed. He absolutely had a gold glove season. He’s been one of the best players in the game for several years now and no one even knows who he is…..

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Nov 6, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Who?

Kidding.

Giles has lost his power and yet is STILL a very useful player to have. He does it in almost complete anonimity, having his best years in Baseball’s Siberia (Pittsburgh). I like to think that non-casual fans know how good Giles still is.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 6, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

is there any way to guess how much he would slug in a different home park?

if he left SD and got some power back maybe he’d win a GG.

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

last night i worked out

how much the park factor hurts him, if park factor being applied to his overall performance is a true measure of performance ability.

IE, take OPS+, transfer it to a neutral park, the turn it into OPS. It worked out that, holding OBP constant between parks- which isn’t a fair assumption, since petco is the hardest park in MLB to get on base in, but at least one assumption has to be made due to the number of variables involved- he’d have had to have had about a .560 SLG in a neutral park to put up the same OPS+. I used GPA to determine the run value, with his 2008 PA’s and THT’s park factors.

My initial hypothesis was that giles was overrated due to being a high-OBP, low SLG player at petco, because my intuition said that petco makes it easier to get on base, but after reviewing the park factors, I realized that petco probably hurts him much more than it helps him. Based on that fact, Giles might actually be the most underrated payer in baseball right now. I would rather trade for him than Holliday on a 1-year deal.

I wonder what his HOF chances are? He is very close to leading non-HOF’ers post WW2 in OBP.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that would have been a .958 OPS, btw

as a 37yo who was the 2nd-best defensive RF in the major leagues by +/-.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sleepy's work here is quite good...

…I think that is about the best way to really figure that out…

His away split had him at .891 OPS with a .488 SLG and 8 bombs FTR.

I agree that he’d be a better guy to have for one year than Holliday. It’s almost the opposite situation: one guy’s numbers are inflated, the others are deflated. As jill. said, he’s a very very underrated player by many.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 7, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

how much money does he make a year?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2008 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

San Diego holds a $9,000,000 option on him for 2009 .

If they don’t exercise it, he gets $3,000,000 buyout. Doesn’t even San Diego have to put some players on the field?

He’d be a guy a lot of teams could use.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Nov 6, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

pretty sure they exercised it

but i’ve been really busy and a lot of the rumors lately have been false, so i might be thinking wrongly. but I think i saw it was done,and he had a no trade, so it was really a $6M decision. There’s no better $6M post-arb player in baseball, for sure, so it would have been a tragically bad decision not to pick up the option.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 7, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

News out of San Diego today is that they exercised his option.

He apparently was willing to accept arbitration. Hah, he’d probably be awarded more than $9,000,000 if he did. The thing is, he wants to stay in SD. Good for Padres fans, probably not the best career move for Giles though…….the heart wants what the heart wants, I guess, so good for him.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Nov 7, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm okay with Wright

Glaus may have the better hands and arm of the two, but he simply doesn’t move as well as Wright. I think it’s a tossup, really, but I’m okay with Wright seeing as how he made huge strides this year and turned himself into a good defensive third baseman.

Really, I don’t think any of us expected Glaus to be the second or third best (defensive) third baseman in the National League (Feliz is probably the best of the bunch, but he didn’t play enough to win a GG).

That said, I’m still angry that Pujols got shafted.

by mojowo11 on Nov 7, 2008 12:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fielding percentage is a bad fielding stat...

Because it only rewards players for avoiding mistakes on balls they can get to. It doesn’t punish them for not showing good range.

If you buy into the zone ratings (and you should to a certain extent), then Chipper Jones is your NL GG winner at 14 runs above average. Glaus was a couple runs below average and Wright was a couple above average. In the AL, Beltre was 24 runs better than average.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 7, 2008 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I can believe that Glaus shouldn't have been the Gold glover (I didn't really watch enough of the games to be sure there wasn't SOMEONE better)

but I have a lot of trouble believing that he was below average. Maybe it’s just me remembering his eye-popping plays, and forgetting when he let a ball go by that another 3Bman would have gotten to. But to my eyes, he definitely looked to be significantly above average.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Nov 8, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Its Unfortunate, But...

Honestly the award really doesn’t matter. Wright and Glaus’s fielding statistics are very comparable. The challenge is that Wright is a five-tool player, and has greater name recognition than Glaus at present.

What I think is MORE important is a better understanding for Rawlings Gold Glove criteria. How are individuals selected? The whole process is in subjective, arbitrary and (ultimately) of very little importance. I suspect the only reason the players care is because it could mean a higher salary in the long-term, and perhaps increase the chance of getting in the HOF.

by JWO on Nov 8, 2008 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

arbitrary?

Random choice or personal whim? Do you think that’s the way LaRussa and the Cards coaches voted?

by ol Pete on Nov 8, 2008 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it would be fascinating

to see a list of who a given manager who has been around for a while voted for, by year. Esp a guy like larussa, whom we kind of feel like we know (from having second-guessed him for years).

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 8, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually, if i was an owner

that is something I would demand to see in an interview for the manager position. Go back 10 years and rank every player by heart, on the spot. Might be a fun exercise even for fans.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 8, 2008 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs