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Rocking the Vote

First off, congratulations to our new President Elect, Mr. Obama, as well as anyone else who may have won an election yesterday. Hopefully, this new regime will prove to be a harbinger of more prosperous times than what we've all been through in recent years. I also have to say, I'm a little glad the whole thing's over. I'm a fairly political person, but I'll also be the first to tell you that a 21 month election cycle is a little bit much.

Given that it's election season, I thought we might try something a little different this morning. I'm assuming that all of you out there are, in fact, good Americans who went out and participated in our democracy yesterday. But what's that, you say? You say you haven't had enough? "Aaron, I haven't had my fill of voting for things! I love weighing all the options carefully. I love the thrill of that moment, the moment when you come to a decisive, firm decision about an issue! And I just haven't had enough of that illusory sense of power that comes from participating in a representative democracy, the feeling that I've made a real difference, even though the actual electing is done by a group of officials who are not, in all reality, beholden in any way to me! So what do you have to say to me?"

Well, first off, I would tell you that you seem to have a bit of a mixed bag going on there. You seem to be awfully cynical about the process for someone so in love with the process of voting, but hey, we've all got our issues, right? I would then tell you not to fear, because the Baron is gonna take care of you, baby.

See, what we're going to do here at Viva El Birdos today is we're going to vote. It occurred to me not too long ago that we all have our own positions, and we mostly know each other's positions, at least on an individual basis, but it's kind of tough to really get a handle on the community opinions as a whole.

Thus, in the interest of, a) getting a better handle on how the community feels about a variety of issues as a whole, and b) filling up a day's post when there really isn't much of anything to talk about, I shall pose these ten questions to you, the Viva El Birdos reader. Feel free to discuss as much as you wish, but please include your votes at the top of your post. Please comma delimit, with no spaces, the same way we do the community projections. Please use the numbers for the choices in your votes, and remember to press the key down firmly when making your selection. I ain't havin' no hanging chad bullshit in my election.

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?

  1. Yes
  2. No

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

  1. Rick Ankiel
  2. Skip Schumaker
  3. Ryan Ludwick
  4. Colby Rasmus

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

  1. Chris Perez
  2. Jason Motte
  3. Jason Isringhausen
  4. Ryan Franklin
  5. Other

D. Felipe Lopez in '09: yea or nay?

  1. Yea
  2. Nay

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

  1. Now
  2. After next season
  3. 2010
  4. When he becomes a free agent

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

  1. Brian Fuentes
  2. Jeremy Affeldt
  3. Will Ohman
  4. Scott Eyre
  5. Other

G. What should be Mr. Mo's biggest priority this offseason? 

  1. Middle infield
  2. Bullpen
  3. Starting Pitching
  4. Impact bat

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

  1. Jose Oquendo
  2. Pop Warner
  3. Don Mattingly
  4. Bobby Valentine
  5. Other (feel free to specify)

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

  1. Bryan Anderson
  2. Jess Todd
  3. David Freese
  4. Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?

  1. Yes
  2. No
  3. Maybe

Remember, everyone: your vote truly does count. I'll get these all tabulated up before next Wednesday, and we shall see what the official VEB positions truly are.

Have a nice day, folks.

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A. No.
B. 3 (Ludwick)
C. 1 (Perez)
D. 1 (Yea)
E. 2 (After the season)
F. 5 (someone cheaper)
G. 1 (MI)
H. 1 (Secret Weapon)
I. 4 (Boggs)

I only say trade Ludwick because I still believe Ankiel provides more upside going forward. Granted, that means re-signing him and him staying healthy.

And saying yea to Lopez is only if something better doesn’t come via trade.

As for Boggs, I think out pitching will be making its usual trips to the DL again and he will end up contributing quite often, good or bad.

by paposse on Nov 5, 2008 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

Start off with distant election comment. . .

I teach at a small international school in Bangkok. When the Obama victory announcement came, the class of seniors broke out in spontaneous applause. Students come from Poland, Japan, Thailand, America, Italy, Venezuela, Korea (and one from Mars.) Interesting mix united in joy. On a less optimistic note of vote:
2,2,2,2,2,1,1,2,3,2 (Do you like me? Sure. What the hell, walk on both sides of the street you meet more people. . ..

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 5, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

A. 2. No
B. 1. Rick Ankiel
C. 1. Chris Perez
D. 2. Nay
E. 2. After next season
F. 2. Jeremy Affeldt
G. 1. Middle infield
H. 2. Pop Waner (Although I’m a little trepidations about his style — I’ve read things about the leadoff man having to be able to but and other garbage like that.)
I. 4. Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?

   1. Yes (1 free internet hug — don’t snag your shirt on my hex bolts.)

by azruavatar on Nov 5, 2008 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

Do I get a sticker for this?

1,2,1,2,2,2,1,2,4,1

______________________________________________

A. Expect the worst hope for the best…this is me hoping
B. Skip gone but i wouldnt be opposed to any of the others if it brought back the right piece(s)
C. YP in ’09
D. Nay i think we can do better. he isnt the Floppy of late ’08
E. After next season is ideal that way he doesnt go into the final year with it on his mind.
F. JA but i would not be upset at Ohman or Rhodes.
G. MIF, Mo, MIF
H. of those choices i like Pop but im sure there are better canidates im just too lazy to look them up.
I. Boggsy is going to surprise some people, i think
(J) Hell yes, Aaron. it wouldnt be Wednesday w/o a little Baron…

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I think baseball overall could use more MILFS.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 5, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

who couldn't

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I too feel the pull of 2

2,2,2,2,2,2,1,1,4,1

a. I think Carpenter pitches next year at some point but not enough to “contribute”
b. I listen to all offers on outfielders with Rasmus and Ludwick (in that order) the least likely to be shipped
c. I think Jason might be just a bit more ready to close than is Young Pitcher. I don’t want to sacrifice next year’s first round pick on FA signing
d. Floppy can’t field…at all
e. talk to El Hombre after he wins his third MVP in 2009
f. I’ve always liked Affeldt even though others have put up better numbers
g. tough one, MI just edges out the starting rotation for me
h. Oquendo should be ready. Mattingly is an interesting name though
i. If Carptenter isn’t ready Boggs might be. I am a lot more sold on what he brings to the table than others who frequent here.
j. Why not!

by nmstar on Nov 5, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Duncan

Threadjack for a second; what do we do with him? Has anyone heard of his health status lately? If comes back into camp feeling good that just complicates things further.

by paposse on Nov 5, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

We wait and see...

as I understand it, his surgery was an “untried” procedure for a professional athlete. Who knows? Maybe Young Dunc can come back; no other team would be willing to trade for him until he puts up some numbers in regular-season competition.

I’d hate to see his career ended this early, though…

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Nov 5, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,4,3

A. Chris Carpenter will contribute. Will it be 200 innings, I doubt it. But I don’t think 100 innings is out of the question, and this season proved that for the brief time he is on the hill, he is still dominant. So he will contribute.

B. I would say Skip, but i don’t think you get enough value for him in a trade. In other words, i think the production he provides you won’t get in return. So, i think Ankiel is the best chip.

D. I like Lopez on the roster. Do I like him as a starter or some sort of solution, not necessarily. But as the utility player I like what he has to offer.

F. Fuentes is the most attractive, as in the best player. I don’t really like his fit here though. He wants to close, and I like Perez and Motte to fight it out. So he really isn’t an option, but how sweet of a lefty would he be for late inning situations.

G. I picked the bullpen here, because I believe that there are more decisions to be made there. More holes to fill and more games to be won or lost. Does our middle infield suck? Yes, but that won’t lose us nearly as many games as the bullpen will if the roles aren’t settled and the holes filled.

by stickman179 on Nov 5, 2008 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Democracy in action

A. 1. Yes
B. 1. Rick Ankiel
C. 5. Other
D. 2. Nay
E. 2. After next season
F. 3. Will Ohman
G. in order…1. Middle Infield, 2. Bullpen, 3. Starting Pitching, 4. Impact bat
H. 2. Pop Waner
I. 4. Boggs

Do You Like me?
3. Maybe (I’m too new here to make a firm commitment)

by Knighttime on Nov 5, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

A. 2, No
B. 2, Schumaker
C. 1, Perez
D. No, absolutely not
E. 3
F. 2 Affeldt
G. 1, MI
H. 2 Pop
I. 4, Boggs

Bonus Question? I did before you became too needy.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

by Dave Barry on Nov 5, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, no.

Do you really think I’m too needy? What if I am? Would you like me more if I were less needy? If you would, I can totally change, I swear. I won’t be needy from now on, I promise. Now you like me, right? Cause you said I was needy and that made you not like me anymore but now I’m not so needy, so everything is good, right? Please, answer me. I really need you to tell me I’m not so needy anymore.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Why aren't you answering me?

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I will not be ignored, Dave.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Nov 5, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

i have now blocked your calls

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

by Dave Barry on Nov 5, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

My ballot

1,2,1,2,3,5,1,1,3,3

A: He’ll contribute <15 starts…but he’ll contribute
B: Skippy followed closely by Ankiel
C: Give him a shot…if he fails give it to Motte
D: I think Miles + Hoffpauir could be as good as Lopez with this brick glove
E: Truthfully…after 2010. He’s getting a boatload no matter what – the only way we save money is if he misses some time.
F: Rhodes
G: Easy call…need a Major League caliber shortstop
H: Been Oquendo for a long time
I: I figure Glaus misses some time and Freese comes up big
J: I like your writing…but I don’t know you. What if you’re a Commy or something?

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

vote

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
1. Yes

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
1. Ryan Ludwick
C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?
1. Chris Perez
D. Felipe Lopez in ‘09: yea or nay?
1. Nay
E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
1. After next season
F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
1. Other , Shouse
G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
1. Middle infield
H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
1. Pop Warner
I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?
1. Mitchell Boggs
Do you like me?
1. Maybe, but not in a homosexual sort of way (not that there is anything wrong with that)

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 5, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

comma delimited....

1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

1023

"so if you can’t understand what someone else is saying why don’t you just shut up about it instead of being a jerk-off?"

"i’d challenge you to offer me alternatives which would convey the same level of meaning without being even more wordy and verbose."

by baw on Nov 5, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a bit confused...

are you averse to using numbers besides 1? Or did you mean:

1,3,1,2,2,5,1,2,4,1

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

A Yes
B. Ankiel ( when was the last time he played a full season?)
C. Perez
D. No
E. After Next
F. Fuentes
G. Middle Infield
H. Oquendo
I. Boggs
J. Maybe

by scfalcon on Nov 5, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

comma delimited...

1,1,1,2,2,1,1,1,4,3

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Giving it a go here -

1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,3 Where’s my sticker? Or do I just reuse yesterday’s?

A.) You said contribute, you didn’t say what role or to what degree, so I think, yes.
B.) Skip is the most expendable.
C.) Young Pitcher’s time is now.
D.) Yes, but it really depends on who our SS will be in ‘09. So, maybe, No. I’m conflicted.
E.) It’s never too soon! :)
F.) Leaning towards Affeldt.
G.) Middle infield because the bullpen will get sorted out through other decisions that need to be made.
H.) Secret Weapon
 I.) Freese will get a chance due to injuries in ’09.

Do you like me?
1.) Yes. Don’t be silly, of course I like you. Where would we be without red baron to get us through the mid-week hump with his lengthy dissertations? Another free internet hug!

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 5, 2008 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

i know some people didnt get stickers yesterday

if that was the case with me i would have refused to turn in my ballot…what is this communist China?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

People, people!

Comma delimit!

1,2,1,2,1,3,1,5,2,3

Maybe I like you. The question is, do you like me?

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Nov 5, 2008 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

My vote...

Carpenter – yes (but written in pencil, not ink)
Skip (although Ludwick or Ankiel would bring more in return)
Motte
Nay
After 2010
Fuentes = most attractive, Affeldt = most practical
MI MI MI MI MI
Other (Lou Brown)
Todd
Yes, of course – how ’bout an internet high five?

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by Futility Infielder on Nov 5, 2008 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

"Forget about the curve ball, YP...

give him the heater!!!"

“Come on Floppy, get in front of the damn ball! Don’t give me this "olé” bullshit! "

gotta love some Lou Brown!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

lou brown

the best part was when he pissed on dorns contract

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Nov 5, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Best. Peptalk. Ever.

“Alright you guys, listen up. We won a game yesterday. We win one today, that’s two in a row. We win one tomorrow, that’s what’s known as a winning streak….. It’s happened before.”

by A1R3Z on Nov 5, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

vote

 1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,3

by DCGreg on Nov 5, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly, shouldn't the questions be labeled 1,2,3, etc... and the answers be labeled a;b;c etc...?

A.) 1.

B.) 2; but Im willing to part with any of them if the return is right.

C.) 1

D.) 1 … but it depends on who plays short

E.) 1

F.) 1 … but I’d admit im not into the asking price of everyone on that list

G.) 1

H.) 1

I.) 2

Do you like me?

Maybe

by Evilfrog on Nov 5, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Ordinarily, yes.

But, the format is much easier this way. The template allows for numbered lists, ie single spaced and indented, but only numbers, so in order to have a nice looking, well organised list, I had to do it this way.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Nov 5, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

so I should post it like this?

1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2.

Damn computers. Understanding numbers.

by Evilfrog on Nov 5, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Need for impact bat makes no sense!

glaus, ludwick and ankiel are impact enough especially with Rasmus in the wings.

1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,4

trade Skip while he’s tradeable!!! Mather starts in his place until Rasmus is ready (which could be out of ST)

Milt Thompson FTW!

by gossard56 on Nov 5, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Rick

Perez

Nay.

Middle infield.

Other. Not sure who exactly, but I wonder when Manny Acta’s contract is up.

Boggs I think will likely be the 5th starter or could be a decent middle reliever.

Um??

Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net

by erik on Nov 5, 2008 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

First time poster, voter

1,3,1,2,2,2,1,2,4,2

A) I think Carp will contribute positively in ‘09, maybe not a lot, but probably a little.
B) Mainly because he has the most value, and therefore is most likely to bring back something really valuable in return.
C) Perez got his feet wet this year and I think he will be quite dominant next year. Motte was impressive, but his one pitch repertoire (awesome as it is) may get him into trouble at times as teams see him more than once.
D) I think we can get better players than Lopez through trades this off season
E) As long as they re-sign him I don’t really care when!
F) I am not sure about this one, but Affeldt seems to offer solid performance at a cheaper price than Fuentes.
G) I think the middle infield can offer bigger gains to the team than any of the other areas.
H) Nothing against The Secret Weapon, but Pop will have managed a lot of the guys who have come through the minor league system and from reading various interviews over at Futureredbirds he has a strong relationship with them.
I) He is probably the closest to the big leagues, and throughout his minor league career has always progressed well from level to level. His experience last season should stand him in good stead to be more effective next season.

Stop stealing mine and my compatriot’s schtick of unnecessary vowels and feyness. ;)

by UKcardsfan on Nov 5, 2008 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

is that United Kingdom?

Ukraine? University of Kentucky?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

United Kingdom

Followed the Cards since watching Big Mac chasing the record in ’98.

by UKcardsfan on Nov 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I live right next to that horrible place. Folks, if you think Cubs fans are untenable, try living amongst a bunch of UK fans. Absolutely AWFUL!!!!

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 5, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

UK has got to be better than KU

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Nov 5, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now

I am a UK fan and I know that some of them are a bunch of whining brats but not all of us are. I had blue breed into me and just love watching UK basketball almost as much as Cards baseball.

by StLHugo on Nov 5, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Dude

That is a terrible affliction. I wish they made medicine for that.

by Knighttime on Nov 5, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Welcome to the quirky yet beloved American democratic process!

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Vote

1,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,4,3

split ticked here (whats new, i live in Vermont)
Anyhow, part of me wants to win now in that i hope Carp can contribute and I want Floppy back to see what he can do even though he isnt part of the long term plan. Given that, I also want to see guys like Perez, Rasmus, and Boggs contribute now so we know what we have.

Elections are so hard.

by t7rick on Nov 5, 2008 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

he we go

1,2,1,1,2,2,1,5,3,1

not really gonna go into explanations other than the oquendo one….half of me wants him and the other half wants Pop warner to get the shot….so i went with other to split the difference

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 5, 2008 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Is it true

In the interest of being an informed voter (and also in the interest of restarting the computer, or I’d look this up myself), is it true Dunc did not know about Carp’s surgery till it happened?

If that’s true… what in the heck is going on here? It’s like a Stephen King medical staff. I mean, don’t communicate with the fans, fine, but broken lines of communication about something that important is the stuff Tom Bradys are made of.

/soapbox

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 5, 2008 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Whoa

I hadn’t heard this. Can anyone verify that Dunc didn’t know Carp was getting this most recent surgery?

by santiagofish on Nov 5, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It was in the PD

Here

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

in my usual round of mocking SC

Yep, it made SportsCenter. Quoting Duncan. Yeah, I feel plenty great about that national attention.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 5, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

voting 2 days in a row

1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,1

A) He’ll be in the bullpen.
B) Ank is expendable.
C) Perez, i think.
D) I’d rather see Freese at 2nd.
E) as soon as AP is ready to talk.
F) Fuentes will be overpriced.
G) Middle infield seems to be a gaping problem.
H) Jose deserves a chance, but Pop also sounds intriguing.
I) Freese, I hope.
?) Not at all. Your spelling is too British.

I spent more time on this vote than yesterday’s. Is that wrong?

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Nov 5, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not voting for anything for awhile. I have voter burnout.

But…

What is this nonsense about trading thudwick for kelly Johnson?

Unless he is the next Chase Utley I would pass on this deal every time.

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Nov 5, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know. It does make a certain amout of sense.

Our dropoff from Ludwick to Rasmus, Mather, Ank, Barton, Duncan (maybe), Schumaker, etc…. won’t be as dramatic as you may think.

However, our potential upgrade from Kennedy to Johnson would be pretty steep. Also, Johnson is 27, under team control for 3 more years, and carries an excellent OBP.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 5, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

steeper than you think.

the difference between KJ and Kennedy last year was about half a game. Just 14 runs on offense for KJ- and that is assuming they both got 650 PA’s at their 2008 rate stats!, but kennedy was a LOT better on defense.

Whereas the difference between Luddy and Skip would be close to 30 runs. We’d be a win and a half worse by trading Luddy for KJ and playing KJ and skip in place of Luddy and AK, unless skip or KJ had breakout seasons or Luddy regresses significantly.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 5, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they would throw in Yunel Escobar and us Skippy.

Leaving us with an OF of Raz, Ank, Mather, Barton….damn I just can’t get over Luds not being in there so maybe this would be a bad deal.

Ludwick & schu for Yunel and KJ ?

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Nov 5, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hm. If the difference between Kennedy and Johnson is that small, I take back my above comment.

Wait a minute… voting? Kennedy/Johnson? Does either team have a secretary named Lincoln? Anybody care to propose, in place of this one, a new deal?

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Yunel Escobar...

Would he be worth a Ludwick ? Maybe with another throw in of say a lefty reliever.

Project Wallace in LF with Raz in CF and Ank in RF( for his own good )

Glaus at 3B backed up by Freese. Tyler Greene makes it to the big club as a 2B.

I’m not sure if Escobar is a good leadoff hitter but maybe we lookd something like this…

Escobar
Raz
Pujols
Wallace
Glaus
Ank
Molina
Pitcher
Greene

That would be a nice Right Left combo and maybe Wallace is polished enough to be the impact bat we need. Just need a closer and your ready to go… Cost = 0$

Use the money to get K Rod and slam McClellan in the starting rotation. OR spend less money and get Fuentes till either Perez or Motte develops.

Fire away…

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Nov 5, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallace may not stick at 3rd

but I’m not sure how much ground he’d be able to cover in the OF…basically what I’m saying is I HOPE he sticks at third…

And I’m not so sure about Greene being ready yet. Maybe Barden or (God, I can’t believe I’m saying this) Ryan for a year. Or we just bite the AK bullet and throw him out there. He can hold his own defensively.

"I've never felt better to be hit by a big guy like that in my life." - Brad Lidge on Ryan Howard

by RunninRedbird on Nov 5, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking more about

Johnson, Lillibridge, and one of their better pitching prospects. I think that organization is pretty set on Escobar, which is why they dealt Renteria after he had such a great year for them in 2007.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy, RB is going to be perturbed at all of the non-delimits

1,2,1,1,2,2,1,1,3,1

A. I think he’ll have a Harden-type season, pitching like 12 games or something and doing well. That’s contributing in my book.
B. Skip is the worst of the 4 and therefore the most expendable.
C. I think Motte may wind up there, but Perez is a bit more polished at this point…that’s not to say that he IS polished, just more so…Franklin and Izzy aren’t closers, period.
D. Sure, but not as a starter.
E. I’ve really got no opinion on this one…after next season seems to work though for me. Don’t hold me to that.
F. Fuentes will be too expensive, Ohman is very good, but Affeldt is a hair better IMO.
G. THE. MIDDLE. IF. IS. BAD. ‘Nuf said. Adam Kennedy is very firmly in the bag of balls category, with a possible bag of chalk to be named later too…
H. The Secret Weapon has been tutored by TLR for several years now. Hopefully he’ll have assumed all of LaRussa’s better qualities and none of his bad ones.
I. I’m going to take a flyer on Freese. The dude is a pretty solid player, a good return on Edmonds all things considered. He was moved aggressively and more than held his own. I see him as a possible corner backup/spot starter kind of guy. That is my fearless prediction of the day.
J(?). Of course I do, RB. Why would you doubt VEB’s love of those in love with lots of words and Anglicized (Anglicised?) spellings!!!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 5, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

yes he did
Please comma delimit, with no spaces, the same way we do the community projections.

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by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I included it on mine just in case I missed that, which I did

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

another ballot

A .Undecided
B. Rick Ankiel

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.

by garden nome on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Perez

Undecided
Ankiel
Perez
Yea
Now
Ohman
Middle infield / impact bat
Pop Warner
Boggs
Yes

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.

by garden nome on Nov 5, 2008 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Results

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
2. No

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

1. Rick Ankiel

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

2. Jason Motte

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

2. Nay

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

1. Now
   

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

5. Other

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

1. Middle infield

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

5. Terry Pendleton

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

4. Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?
2. No You broke rule #1, no politics. You fail, Red Baron.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 5, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

you broke the comma-delimit rule

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Nov 5, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If there's no "No Breaking the Rules" rule,

then red baron is in the clear too. Can’t have it both ways, ya know.

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 5, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The comma-delimit rule

was set up by a despot who failed at following the basic rules of the community.

Thus, any rules he tries to place on me are automatically illegal and I refuse to recognize them.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 5, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Death to Tyrants!

In light of this revelation (revolution!) I’m strongly considering changing my vote on the last question to “Maybe”. Red Baron might be a despot but he’s our despot.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ballot

A 1
B 2
C 1
D 1
E 2
F 1
G 1
H 1
I 2
J 1

by BadaBingBadaBoom on Nov 5, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

A. 2. No
B. 2. Skip Schumaker, but I’d be perfectly willing to trade Ankiel if we got something nicer in return.
C. 1. Chris Perez
D. 2. Nay
E. 1. Now. promise him a lifetime services contract with minority stake in ownership, like what the lakers did with magic and kobe. you can’t let albert leave.
F. 2. Jeremy Affeldt
G. 2. Bullpen
H. 2. Pop Warner, or I don’t care (yet).
I. 4. Mitchell Boggs
Do you like me? 3. Maybe

by blahquaker on Nov 5, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

vote

2,1,1,1,2,3,1,1,3,3

by cdb on Nov 5, 2008 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

vote red...cardinal red

1,2,1,1,2,5,1,1,4,1

im curious to see how this turns out

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

"I Have a Dream" a Strong Cardinal Team

A. 1-Yes even after yesterdays procedure
B. 1-Love ya Rick but I gotta sell high
C. 5-Houston Street on the cheap
D. 2-Nay
E. 1.-Today before he’s named to Obama’s cabinet
F. 2-Affeldt’s the man
G. 1-The black hole that is the Cardinal Middle Infield
H. 5-Girardi after two nonplayoff seasons in the Bronx, we get him on the rebound
I. 4-The name Boggs, Mitchell Boggs
J. 1-As Kojack said who loves ya baby

by rajah424 on Nov 5, 2008 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

w00t! More voting!

A – 2
B – 3
C – 1
D – 1
E – 2
F – 3
G – 1
H – 1
I – 4
Bonus – 3. I like to play coy.

by mtalken on Nov 5, 2008 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

One's goalie's opinion...

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?

1. Yes (Ah hope, ah hope, ah hope…)

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

2. Skip Schumaker (IF we somehow land Furcal, he takes over the leadoff spot; if not, let’s see what Colby can do!)

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

1. Chris Perez

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

2. Nay

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

2. After next season

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

1. Brian Fuentes

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

1. Middle infield

In my opinion, there are “in-house” solutions to the ‘pen; however, if Carp can’t pitch, starting pitching becomes concern 1A!

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

1. Jose Oquendo

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

2. Jess Todd (WAG here…)

Do you like me?

3. Maybe

I like your writing… is that good enough? (grin)

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by The Ol Goaler on Nov 5, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

OOPS... comma-delimited:

1,2,1,2,2,1,1,1,2,3

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Nov 5, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

my vote

A. 2
B. 1.
C. 5
D. 2
E. 1
F. 2
G. 4.
H. 5.
I. 1

Aaron Miles is worth it.

by dangpenguins on Nov 5, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

A- 2 No
B- 2 Skip
C- 1 Chris Perez
D- 2 Nay
E- 1 Now
F- 2 Affeldt
G- 1 Middle infield
H- 5 Manny Acta. (He looks like a moneyball fan.)
I- 4 Mitchell Boggs
Do you like me? – 1 Yes

english isnt my first language

by viktor on Nov 5, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Change

1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,3

Carp will contribute and it will be significantly more than most expect. However, not a full season of essential Carpness. I hope they bring him along slowly so he can contribute more in the second half when it will hopefully count.

Hard to choose here, but the choice is either Ank or Skip. I chose Skip because I think he is much closer to his maximum value that Ank due to the injury.

Almost put “other” here as I don’t want any single one of the choices, but prefer more of a committee/competition. I think the whole bullpen role thing is overblown. If you have a couple or three guys sharing the 8th/9th then everybody else can have a role. Unless Carp is miraculously healed I would like to see him in this mix.

Easiest question on the list – we don’t know what Lopez will do with the bat, but we know he will suck enough with the glove to be a disaster in any event.

Extend Albert now, it isn’t going to get any cheaper.

I like Fuentes pretty well, but the money he will demand would make him an unaffordable luxury for the Birds. Affeldt will do nicely.

The middle infield is the first priority, particularly shortstop.

I am not sold on Oquendo, but I think he should get the chance. I think Ron Gardenhire would make a lot of sense, but TSW will likely get a shot. I don’t think patient lieutenant types generally do all that well, but I am willing to take the chance. Of course, I don’t buy into the assumption that 2009 is TLR’s last. I think he will be around through 2012 or so.

Anderson, Todd, Freese, or Boggs is probably the toughest question on the list. I don’t think any of them will get much chance unless someone gets hurt. I picked Freese, but who really knows?

Maybe I like you. Let’s talk at recess…

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Nov 5, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

I vote for the Cards

2,1,1,1,3,3,2,5,4,1

Like all surveys, the questions are somewhat subject to interpretation. Don’t get me wrong, I am not complaining, it just the nature of surveys.
For example: A. “contribute” could mean some bullpen work or significant number of starts. F. could mean LOOGY or just bullpen help.

BTW, Carp’s surgery and the comments concerning it from Dunc did not inspire confidence for ST readiness.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

here ya go

2,1,1,1,1,3,1,1,2,3

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Nov 5, 2008 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

My not-so-private ballot...

A. 2 (No)
B. 2 (Skip Schumaker)
C. 1 (Chris Perez)
D. 1 (Yay)
E. 2 (After next season)
F. 3 (Will Ohman)
G. 1 (Middle Infiield)
H. 1 (Jose Oquendo……this is who I would like to see, but if a better option arises, I’m game).
I. 4 (Mitchell Boggs)
Extra Credit: 1 (Yes)

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Cleaned up

2,2,1,1,2,3,1,1,4,1

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,1

At least he's better than Esteban Yan.

by jacksonian on Nov 5, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

2,2,1,2,1,5,2,1,4,1

"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar

by Big Mike on Nov 5, 2008 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Remember, remember the Fifth of November....

My ballot:
1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,3,1

A. Even Mulder “contributed” this season, but I think Carp will have more of a positive impact come 09.
B. I like Skip, but an outfield, of Lud, Raz, and Ank makes me drool.
C. Perez has a better secondary pitch, but if Motte beats him for the job I won’t complain. Izzy and Franklin speak for themselves.
D. Not just a nay to Floppy, but a HELL to the NO! Let AK mind 2B since we probably won’t get him moved and find an offensive upgrade at SS. I can live with one offensive black hole in the MIF.
E. Albert’s coming off his best season yet…We could wait til 2010, but I’m impatient and 2011 is cutting it too damn close. Plus all this ‘$41 million a year’ and ‘worth two super stars’ talk makes me a little uneasy.
F. Let’s face it, none of these guys could be worse than Villone or Flores. Could they? Fuentes would close, not be a LOOGY. I wouldn’t mind Ohman, but I like Aff’s stuff a little bit more.
G. I really believe a solid offensive player at either SS or 2B can make us a legitamite contender next year. And I’ve already I’d said let AK have 2B and find an upgrade at SS. I will keep up my campaign for Zobrist as long as I can…Ben ‘09!
H. Oquendo deserves it. And he’s got experience from managing Puerto Rico in the WBC.
I. David Freese would be a solid utility corner infielder to back up Glaus and APu next year. Hell, Tony would probably throw him into the outfield some and if he provides some extra pop off the bench I’m all for it.
Extra: Yes, I’d go fishin’ with ya RB!

"I've never felt better to be hit by a big guy like that in my life." - Brad Lidge on Ryan Howard

by RunninRedbird on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Please explain love for Oquendo as a manager?

I heard great things about how Oquendo works with MIF on solidifying their fundamentals. But how does managing P.R. in the WBC significantly help his case? I think it only points to his lack of managing experience. And why does Oquendo deserve it?
Please don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against Oquendo. I am just puzzled that so many folks seem to advocate for him as a manager. How about other reasons that would qualify Oquendo? His Cards career sure helps him to endear himself to the fanbase.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

not that i agree with it at all but...

i think most people think he has paid his dues especially with the Cardinals and has Coached under one of the winning-est coach for the last 12+ years. and the WBC and Winter leagues help with his player management abilities since most everything i have read on him seem that players enjoy playing for him. you have to get your first shot somewhere or else you will never get MLB experience.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear what you are saying...

I think I do understand the sentiment. I don’t think there is anything wrong with appreciating someone who has contributed to the organization as a player and coach for so long. I guess I am curious as to how many major league managers did not have any minor league managing experience. Personally, I would like to see someone with some experience, even at the minor league levels.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know of an exact list but it isnt that rare

MLB Managers w/o Minor League experience:

Guillen, Melvin, Pinella, Scioscia, Torre, Girardi, Black, Bochy, Washington.

about 1/3 of the current managers if my research is correct.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

oops Scioscia did manage in the minors in 1999

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the quick list

There are a couple of pretty good ones in that list.

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by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You could ask the why

any other candidate DESERVES a shot a managing a ML ballclub. Oquendo’s been a coach at the ML level for years and he knows the players and knows the organization. You don’t think he’s been observing TLR’s methods? You don’t think he’s noted what it takes to be a big league manager? (both of those were rhetorical). There wouldn’t be a “get to know you” phase with Jose. He knows the players and seems to have their respect. I would feel much more comfortable with him taking over the team than say Pop Warner. The minors is alot different than the bigs. There is less ego to have to put up with, players still have something to prove down there, and most are still looking to improve. I think Oquendo’s managing during the WBC shows that he is capable of handling a team with a group of ML stars on it. Not trying to create an argument here, just stating my case for the Secret Weapon.

"I've never felt better to be hit by a big guy like that in my life." - Brad Lidge on Ryan Howard

by RunninRedbird on Nov 5, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I was curious to hear why folks were so high on Oquendo. Now I have some more ideas.
I am still not quite sold on it, as I tend to value managing experience. Then again, nomar34 said that a person has to get a start somewhere.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

keep in mind

that if the org goes the way they keep talking about, by time the next manager gets in, he would have dealt with a lot of those personalities directly as they progressed through the org.

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

More votes

1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,4,1

Nothing really to comment on. Oquendo or Warner either one would be good to see, I think. I was going to go with 3. maybe on the last question until I saw the “needy” thread above, LOL.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 5, 2008 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

E) 4 after he becomes a FA………zero concern albert will test the FA market.

alberts current contract is below market value. until he mentions it, the org shouldn’t. let it remain an asset…. …jm signed lohse before the FA class hit the market in 08… …nov of 2011before free agency starts, offer a fair contract to AP like the one he has in place. adjust the $ to the market of 2011 and offer 4 yrs… …the “extra millions” AP could chase on the FA market, over the offer he had in place, didn’t affect his last signing.
AP’s team leadership role with the cardinals, may not be for sale on the open market :)
that’s up to albert. so i like our chances of resigning him fairly.

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel quite as comfortable in my confidence

regarding Albert’s desire to stay with the Cardinals, no matter what, as you do. He’s already said he’s not taking a hometown discount.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

adjust the $ to the market of 2011 and offer 4 years……..is meant “fair” market, not below market (discount).

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

but what is "fair" market?

You have to have something to go off of and the only players in his “market” are probably Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramierez.

You know, there really isn’t a market for players like Pujols.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

fair for albert

i expect to be, team appropriate. 4/80 for stl, as a FA, 4/100.
still like our chances :)

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That ain't going to cut it

unless the bottom drops out of the ecomomy and baseball altogether in the next year. Starting at $20-$25M range might be accurate, but Teixeria will probably get 6-8 yrs this year while A-Rod has a 10yr deal. 4 yrs won’t cut it for Albert, and the back end might get closer to $30M annually if not over.

I agree “fair market” value is as you say “team appropriate” – unless 20 teams want to sign him.. if he’s a FA and the Yankees want him – well then all bets are off. no, the best thing would be to sign him to an extention before he hits the open market.

by Knighttime on Nov 5, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

2010 missouri ballot initiative

state-wide tax to fund keeping albert pujols in st. louis. honestly, it would pass.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i approve this message

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

you could probably do it

with just a hotel, bar, and restaurant tax in downtown St. Louis.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 8, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

4 years aint gonna do it

he’ll only be 31 in 2011. players like albert, manny, and a-rod are signing contracts that have them playing into their 40’s.

i don’t think he is going to want a four year deal leaving him stuck with no contract when he is 36 especially with the unsureness that is his elbow.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Nov 5, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

four, four, see where he’s at.
next four yrs in the 20’s, to balance the club friendly 08-2011.

i like aarons timeline with albert :) lol, the great players take a while to get to average, don’t they.

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right...

and the team may as well offer him 6 or 8 (don’t know about 10). There’s no way he’s going to play somewhere else and he’s gonna want to be locked up for a while…he might really want 10 years. I don’t think 4/80 would cut it anyway but 8/150 might.

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

8/150……is about the 4/80, 4/70 is was looking at, and 8/150 should be easier to get signed than the 4/70 in 6 years.
who better than mr. consistent, to offer 8 years to?
he could miss a year with that elbow eventually.
here’s to our 09,10 and 2011 successes that make it impossible for him to leave :)

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

if you wait till nov of 2011

albert is not going to sign a contract until he has seen what the market will offer. the talk will start around the trade deadline that albert isn’t signed and it will be a freaking circus. everybody will be talking about what he will command in free agency and the fact the cards might not be able to afford him.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Nov 5, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that kind of babble, i would expect the org and albert to remain above, as they have to date.

by ball in play on Nov 5, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

2,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,4,1

by mtzxc on Nov 5, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

A. No
B. Rick Ankiel
C. Chris Perez
D. Yea
E. Now
F. Affeldt
G. Starting Pitching
H. Jose Oquendo, unless someone better comes up
I. David Freese
J.Yes

by The Gottfather on Nov 5, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

vote

1,2,1,1,2,2,1,5,4,3

D. I think Lopez could be pretty valuable as a utility guy with a decent stick, but that’s assuming the Cards pick up a legitimate MI this offseason.

I. I see Anderson being traded this winter, plus the somewhat unfortunate Larue signing pretty much guarantees he won’t be playing for the major league team. Unless Glaus gets hurt, Freese will spend another year in the minors (plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wallace beat him to the majors anyways). That leaves Boggs and Todd. At this point, Boggs is the more polished product with the major league experience. He’ll get the call when somebody inevitably struggles (i.e. Piniero) or gets hurt and I think he’ll pitch well enough to win some games.

by theWizard on Nov 5, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

vote

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
1. No
B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
1. Skip Schumaker
C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?
1. Chris Perez
D. Felipe Lopez in ‘09: yea or nay?
1. Yea
E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
1. After next season
F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
1. Other, Brian Fuentes (that doesn’t mean I think we should go after him)
G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
1. Bullpen (It was clearly our biggest problem last year, a relativly easy fix)
H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
1. Jose Oquendo
I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?
1. Mitchell Boggs (He’s the only one that will seriously be considered for extensive contribution)
Do you like me?
1. yes, your a good writer, keep it up

by Moneyb on Nov 5, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Big Mac Reentrance

1,1,2,2,2,2,1,5 (Mark McGwire), 3, 3

by BustaCard on Nov 5, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

A. 1
B. 3
C. 1
D. 2
E. 1
F. 1
G. 1
H. 3
I. 4
3

Bruce Seldon > Ali

by rjhabeeb on Nov 5, 2008 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

yay, voting

2,2,1,2,1,5,3,5,2,3

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
Consults the magic 8-ball. Stupid thing says “outlook not so good”. Breaks magic 8-ball.

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
Skippy.

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009? Writes in “Josh Kinney”

D. Felipe Lopez in ‘09: yea or nay?
Y’all know how I feel about Floppy. Bring him back only if his playing time is more Scott Speizio and less Aaron Miles.

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
What, no option for “should have been done after 2006?”

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
Marte, then Beimel, then Affeldt

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
Starting Pitching. There just isn’t a big enough cost-effective upgrade in the middle infield.

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
other: Jim Edmonds

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?
Jess Todd could be 2009’s KMC. So could Boggs, I guess, and if Boggs does what he did in 2008 he might be more valuable than Todd if Todd doesn’t get the call… eh, i’ll go with Todd.

Do you like me?
c: do you have beer?

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

If 1 were 0. . .

1,2,2,2,2,1,2,1,3,3

How did those threes get in there?

by CAredbird on Nov 5, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Correct Opinion for Betterment of People's Union of Cardinals Fandom!

1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,3,1

I chose Skip to trade, basically because I think Ankiel has more potential. However, I also kinda hope Ankiel is traded because I think the return might be better.
I also hope Todd (or even Boggs) ends up contributing effectively, but that question is a prediction, and I went with Freese.
Cool post, Baron.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

where is my free donut?

1,1,1,2,2,2,1,1,2,1

Between skip and rick, it really depends on our MI. if we get a power bat for MI trade rick. if we get a leadoff type trade skip. the reason i lean toward trading rick is that i really would like to see rasmus patrolling center. tony + rick still around = rick in center.

for pujols’ contract the talks should definitely begin after the 2009 season. i don’t think it necessarily has to be done and signed by then but we definitely need to approach albert about it rather than the other way around.

affeldt has had experience being a closer, middle relief, and a starter. i think that fits us to a T.

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by FutureMan on Nov 5, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

vote

1,2,5,1,3,1,2,1,4

no explanation

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by albrtfn on Nov 5, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

I heart voting

2,3,2,2,3,3,1,5,4,3

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by cmat on Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Yay Voting!!! Boo politicians!!!

A. 2
B. 2
C. 1
D. 1
E. 2
F. 5 Aaron Miles is a very handsome being… I mean I get butterflies…
G. 2
H. 1

I. 4

by pattimagee on Nov 5, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
YES

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
Skip Schumaker- I like Skippy but I see his spot in the Cards outfield quickly fading.
Ryan Ludwick – Has the highest value right now, so would trade Luddy, but only for a great deal that solves MI or bullpen (esp. Closer) issues.

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?
Chris Perez- IMO the best option the Cards have available right now.
Other- I wouldn’t mind a veteran (Izzy if he’s fixed) helping to mentor Perez and Motte before handing it over to them next year.

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

Yea – if we can pick up a solid everyday shortstop.

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

After next season

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
 
Will Ohman

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

Middle infield

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

Jose Oquendo
Don Mattingly

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?
 
David Freese
Wallace?

Do you like me?

Yes

by WyoCardsFan on Nov 5, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

boycotted the voting

since I live in Illinois and my guy Obama won here hands down, so I didn’t need to vote. plus, the electoral college is severely outdated. they need to fix that shit. I did get to go downtown to Obamapalooza last night though, it was very cool.

anyway, here’s the real voting:

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?

Yes, I have to be optimistic here; we paid our karmic dues with the Mulder case (1)

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

Skip Schumaker , hands down (2)

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

it’s a toss up, gonna have to go with my gut and say Motte (2), but my mind says Perez is just as viable an option (if not moreso)

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

Nay (2), more power to the guy, but his defense isn’t good enough to back up our groundballers

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

Now (1), not sure why we shouldn’t

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

Other (5), I think we should pursue Joe Beimel
 
G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

Middle infield (1), duh

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

The Secret Weapon, Jose Oquendo (1), or just give Pujols half the team’s budget and have him be a player manager. or perhaps lboros would be interested?

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

this is a tough one, because Boggs or Todd could easily be this guy, but I’m gonna go with David Freese (3)

Do you like me?

Yes (1), you’re a Cardinals Fan! now, do you like me?

1,2,2,2,1,5,1,1,3,1

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

+ 7,343,831...

on the electoral college being outdated. That’s the margin of victory in the popular vote for Obama last night (6% of voters) versus 187 (or 37%) as the margin of victory in the electoral college. You would think that sense Bush LOST the popular vote back in 2004 they would already have done something about the electoral college! If you have the count for the popular vote why do you need an electoral college?

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

forgive my nitpicking...

but Bush “won” the popular vote in 2004, and “lost” it in 2000.
the whole popular vote things befuddles me. strictly speaking, there is no such thing as a “national popular vote”. there are state popular votes, which directly determine the winner of each state’s all-or-nothing electoral votes. the so-called national popular vote is merely the sum of all the state ones. we say so-and-so “won” the popular vote, but that’s a contest with no prize.
however, i think having problems with the electoral college is a legitimate position. i also wish more people would actually read what the founding fathers had to say about the various pros and cons of different forms of government. they were rightly skeptical of pure democracy.
ack! i’m talking politics instead of making fun of politics! please forgive me, VEBers… i want no repeat of the dreaded 2006 election/ballot initiative bitterness that popped up here briefly…

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If I understand correctly...

the popular vote is the actual count of votes by registered voters. The whole problem is that winning the popular vote has “no prize”.

I knew 2000 (knew Gore won popular vote) don’t know why I said ’04. IIRC 2004 was pretty damn close.

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe that

Abraham Lincoln also lost the popular vote.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 5, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

In 1860,

Lincoln received 39.8% of the popular vote, but there were 4 candidates running for president who all failed to received at least 39.8% (John C. Breckenridge-Southern Democrat-18.1, John Bell-Constitutional Union-12.6, and Stephen Douglas-Northern Democrat-29.5%).

Then in 1864, Lincoln received 55% of the popular vote defeating George B. McClellan (Democrat).

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah--the difference between winning the popular vote with a plurality and winning a majority.

it’s possible to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote, but it’s very very hard to win the popular vote majority and still lose the election. i don’t think it’s ever happened. gore didn’t get a majority, just a plurality.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's happened once

Samuel J. Tilden won 51% against Rutherford B. Hayes but lost the electoral by 1 vote in 1876.

But the big controversy happened in 1824. Andrew Jackson beat John Quincy Adams in both the popular vote (41.3% to 30.9%) as well as the electoral vote (99 to 84) yet still lost the election.

Since both candidates were from the same party (Democratic-Republican) due to the Federalist Party going bye-bye and neither candidate had a majority vote in the election, the House of Representatives decided on who would be the president.

As a result, Andrew Jackson left the party and basically became the Democratic Party while J. Q. Adams and his boys became the Whig Party.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

On the History Channel's "The Presidents" series

the other night the one covering Jackson’s (later) presidency was on. Fun fact I didn’t know before, Jackson’s opponents, not thinking much of the man, called him a jackass. He liked the term so much, the jackass/donkey became the symbol of his new Democrat party.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 6, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a GREAT series.

I watched it a couple of years ago on a weekend and didn’t budge from the tv for like 10 hours. I’m wanting to watch it again, but it’s got to be on my terms this time. Probably should just by the darn thing.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 6, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really true?

Man. I used to always make fun of the Dem symbol, but that’s pretty hilarious/awesome. It’s like Indiana turning “hoosier” into a good thing.

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like Cardinal fans

embracing that “Get A Brain, Moran!” pic.

If you embrace it, your detractors can’t use it against you.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 6, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thank goodness Liam

has such a good sense of humor.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 8, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

in hindsight i hope i didn't sound like an ass

i should have just assumed you accidentally typed 2004 instead of 2000. my bad.
2004 was close as well, but bush actually won a majority of the popular vote, which hadn’t happened since his dad, i believe.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It will never be modified or done away with

Here’s why:

Each state has a number of Electoral votes equal to the number of representatives they have in Congress, so every state must have at least 3 (2 Senators and 1 Congressman). This allows smaller states such as Vermont, New Hampshire, Iowa, both Dakotas, and Montana to have their voices heard in the national election. In Wyoming you have each elector representing 70,000 votes (approx.), while in California each elector represents around 179,000 votes. Without the electoral college, presidential candidates would never leave the eastern time zone to campaign, except to fly to California and Texas.

Also, it’s a myth that each state must give up all of their electoral votes to the winner of that state’s popular vote. The Constitution does not state this implicitly. Each states electorate can cast their electoral votes any which way they choose — they could divvy them up by percentage of vote won, by playing a game of winner take all poker with each candidate, or by casting them all for whatever candidate they wanted to. This is also the second reason it exists: To prevent an electorate from being “duped” by a politician or foreign national into voting for someone who doesn’t have the best interests of the country in mind. The original founding fathers were extremely skeptical of this happening, so they felt that by having a small electorate that met privately they could avoid such a scenario from ever happening. The trend in the 20th Century moved most states into casting them all for the winner of the popular vote and it has continued this way in most popular elections.

Republicans have tried to get a ballot initiative passed in the state of California that would require the electorate there to divvy up their electoral votes by the voting of each individual district and to give only the two senatorial electors to the winner of the popular vote. Since California is usually a Democratic state in presidential elections, it would allow Republicans to get around 20% of California’s electorate in any given election. If California were the only state to do this, it would swing the balance of power to the right for many subsequent elections.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

“To prevent an electorate from being "duped" by a politician or foreign national into voting for someone who doesn’t have the best interests of the country in mind”

but to me, this is what happened in 2000 and 2004

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought so too

but I didn’t want to be the first to say something….

"I've never felt better to be hit by a big guy like that in my life." - Brad Lidge on Ryan Howard

by RunninRedbird on Nov 5, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i take responsibility.

i thought i was just getting off onto an interesting tangent about how the system works, founding fathers, etc. i should have realized it would get more “political”. again, sorry doods.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries

"I've never felt better to be hit by a big guy like that in my life." - Brad Lidge on Ryan Howard

by RunninRedbird on Nov 5, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is done IIRC

by a couple of states now. Nebraska comes to mind and one other small (electoral votes wise) state in the east, maybe?

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 6, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Maine is the other.

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 6, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ding, ding, ding

correctomundo. I noticed on one of the electoral projections maps (in an article today about who came closest to predicting the actual outcome) that this person had extra squares inside Nebraska and Maine and had colored them in accordingly.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 7, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

1,2,2,1,1,3,1,5,4,3

by soccerfreak on Nov 5, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

if i vote. do i get a bag of money like the new guy promised me?

daddy needs a new 80 inch plasma to watch his Birds soar. oh who am i kidding? you can’t trust any politician. no matter their party affiliation.

2.2,1,2,1,5,1,2,4,1 (the question shouldn’t be do i like you, i wouldn’t be here if i didn’t, it should be, do you like me?

with all this political talk, LB is probably fit to be tied in his retirement home.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Nov 5, 2008 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

that is another good point

which is why I don’t trust them, most people write politics off as a bad conversation piece, which widens the gap between the politicians and the average citizen; which is a bad thing

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?

Yes, but of course I am a blind optimist!

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

Rick Ankiel, great potential so will get a decent return. More inconsistent than Ludwick with same injury concerns.

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

Shared between Chris Perez and Jason Motte until one takes over.

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

Yea, if he can be gotten for cheap.

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

After next season

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

Brian Fuentes, but he will be too expensive. Not worth it!

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

Middle infield, specifically a SS.

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

Other. The other names are not elite managers. I hope Tony stays for years to come.

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

David Freese

J. Do you like me?

Maybe, hard to evaluate someone I don’t know. Do you need to be liked? However, I do like what you write!

by finmsully on Nov 5, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

dunno about who would want ankiel for one year...

but it’s possible I guess

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm That's a Winner and I approved this post

Think I’ll go with the Nader approach for this.

A. Possibly

B. Marti

C. Sutter

D. Disastrous

E. Yesterday

F. Rachael Maddow

G. Strategery

H. lboros

I. Freese?

Computer friendly translation 1,2,1,2,1,1,1,3

And for your bonus question. Sure I like you, just can’t stand this guy.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Nov 5, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, he's a douche.

However, he thanks you for the free link.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Nov 9, 2008 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

vote

1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,4,3

by Choix003 on Nov 5, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Vote

2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 5, 1, 1, 2, 3

by STLEdge on Nov 5, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Votes

1,2,1,1,2,2,1,1,3,3

Elaborations:

A. Carp will contribute, but not a full season. He will pitch — effectively — but probably 100 innings or less.

B. Most open to trading Schu (where’s B-Barton on this question?) — but I’m okay with trading any of them if the deal is right. I’m most opposed to trading Rasmus and Luddy, for their obvious respective reasons.

C. Chris Perez should get the job…but he needs to prove he can hold it.

D. Yea to Felipe — at the right price. I think he’ll ask more than I’d be willing to pay. Nonetheless, I think he’ll be back on an unfortunate Pinata-style contract of which I do not approve.

E. Random pick here, I guess…I don’t care when or want to think about what makes the most sense — I just want Pujols in STL for the rest of his life. He might be a top-5 all-time player when all is said and done…I want him to go into the Hall with the interwoven STL on his cap.

F. I really like Affeldt. So does the rest of baseball, probably. Oh well. Fuentes is good, but not what we need at his pricetag. I’d love to have Ohman as well…I just want a useful lefty, really. Affeldt is cool because he could spot-start if needed, facing teams weak against lefties while PuppyKicker faces teams weak against righties.

G. The MI is a mess, but the more I play out scenarios in my head, the more I worry about how the rotation is going to play out. Without Carp, it’s scary, especially at the back end. I still went with the MI (dump Kennedy, figure out Miles’ role, what about Lopez, what about Izturis, maybe we should trade, etc.), but the rotation is worrysome. The offense carried us in 2008…we need the pitching to improve in 09 if we’re going to catch the Chubs.

H. Secret weapon. Knows the players, knows the team structure, gets along with the Pu. Think he could keep coaching third as the manager? I think that’d be cool.

I. I expect Bryan Anderson to get traded. Todd could help, but I’m not banking on it., and I think his ceiling in 2009 is probably a relief ace a la McClellan. I never liked Boggs, which probably had something to do with him getting bombed in his brief trial period. I like Freese as a 1B/3B backup—I hope he wins that job in ST and holds it all year. He’s getting old—it’s time to get him up and see if he can play, even if it is a backup role. If Glaus gets hurt (perhaps we have forgotten already how often that usually happens), we need someone to play there every day…ideally not Floppy or Grit. A real backup 3B would be nice, eh? FREESE FOR BACKUP CORNER INFIELDER IN 2009! (And probably backup everything else, knowing TLR).

NO LETTER. Yeah, of course, you da bomb. Or, to be more appropriately verbose in theredbaron’s trademark style of writing: you da object whose purpose is death or destruction, intended often—but not always—to be dropped from airborne crafts, causing ruin to an area with a highly variable radius depending on the size and mechanism by which detonation occurs; most often said death/destruction is caused by violent and sudden fiery explosion, though occasionally through other means (notable: nails, shrapnel of various kinds, or toxic gas), most of which are intended either to inflict harm on humans or structures—man-made or otherwise—of notable strategic or symbolic value. Whew. Despite this, I’m playing hard-to-get and voting “maybe,” a trick I learned from pre-teen note-passing girls.

God bless boring classes.

by mojowo11 on Nov 5, 2008 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

APu for Prez 2012!

2,1,2,2,2,2,1,2,4,1

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Nov 5, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Rock the Vote

A. No
B. None of the above…convert Schumaker to 2B
C. Perez
D. Yes…only if as the primary 2B (if Skip doesn’t work out…)
E. 2010
F. Other…dunno who, just don’t like/don’t want to pay for those guys
G. MI (can Freese or Craig play SS or 2B?)
H. Oquendo
I. Boggs
J. Sure

"I quite agree with you," said the Duchess; "and the moral of that is -- 'Be what you would seem to be' -- or, if you'd like it put more simply -- 'Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'"

by b.kyle on Nov 5, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

My bad

2,2,1,1,3,5,1,1,4,1

Forgot to add that in at the end, before posting.

"I quite agree with you," said the Duchess; "and the moral of that is -- 'Be what you would seem to be' -- or, if you'd like it put more simply -- 'Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'"

by b.kyle on Nov 5, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Vote

A. NO
B. Ankiel
C. Motte
D. Yeh
E. After Next Season
F. Fuentes
G. Impact Bat
H. Jack Clark
I. Freese (2nd base move?)
Last question…..maybe

by TNCardsFan on Nov 5, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

well

1, 2, 1, Nay, 2, 2 (for money’s sake), 2, 1 (I’d like to see us pry Joe Maddon though), 3 (through a trade), You’re not bad.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Nov 5, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Are all you people from Florida????

Your responses must be in this format 2,2,1,2,3,… etc or they will not be counted

by davethebutcher on Nov 5, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Flagged!!!!!!

You are infringing on my rights as a citizen of VEB to have my vote counted!!!!!!! It’s not my fault the instructions were written at the bottom of such a long post!!! It was unclear and misleading!!

EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!!!!!!!!

Catherine whispered into my ear, her breath rich with faraway spices, that she desire to make love. She wanted to try shinshi shinshi. Now, I'd been begging her to try shinshi shinshi for months. She'd refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she was willing to accept her lover's body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

by Tackle Box on Nov 5, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 8, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Rock the vote!

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009? :NO
B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
Skip Schumaker
C. Who do you want closing games in 2009? :Other
D. Felipe Lopez in ‘09: yea or nay? Nay
E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
After next season
F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
Brian Fuentes
G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
Impact bat
H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
Other: Terry Pendelton
I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009? None of them.
Do you like me? Sure.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Formatting, people, formatting!

2,2,5,2,2,1,4,5,(),1

You can’t say no minor leaguer is “most likely.” You don’t have to think any of them will, but you should be able to point to one as the most likely, shouldn’t you? Copping out is just going to mess up the spreadsheet!

by mojowo11 on Nov 5, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps...

his was an “other” not an option on item I.

by cardzfanbub on Nov 5, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Man you guys take the fun out of everything

but I guess I am the schmuck who did’nt read the fine print about the numbers LOL!!

Sometimes I forget that this site is so geeked out on numbers! :)

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Nov 6, 2008 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

My vote counts?

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
   2. No

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
   4. Colby Rasmus

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?
   5. Other

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?
   1. Yea

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
   2. After next season

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
   1. Brian Fuentes

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
   2. Bullpen

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
   1. Jose Oquendo

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?
   4. Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?
   3. Maybe (on weekends?)

Prospects are good. Especially when they aren't rushed.

by CraveCase on Nov 5, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

2,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,4,5

Prospects are good. Especially when they aren't rushed.

by CraveCase on Nov 5, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

1,2,1,2,1,2,1,3,2,3

I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.

by madding on Nov 5, 2008 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

2,2,1,1,2,2,3,1,4,1

A. The past has a way of changing expectations.
B. Wanna keep Ank, Lud, and Colby
C. Why are Izzy and Franklin options?
D. I think Tony can get his ceiling potential.
E. Lets see if that elbow doesn’t blow up next season first…..please.
F. Affeldt is my pick because Fuentes would be a closer and we already have one.
G. Mo needs to pay CLOSE attention to Carp.
H. Jose is TLR’s prodigy.
I. Mitch Boggs is a starter and I think that’s priority, so he’ll get more face time.
J. I like reading ALL of the bloggers on this site, so yes, I like you Red Baron.

by bornin82 on Nov 5, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

A. Yes
B. Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker
C. Chris Perez
D. Nay
E. 2010
F. Brian Fuentes
G. Middle infield
H. Jose Oquendo
I. None of the above

Do you like me? Maybe. Can I borrow some money?

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

post diddly iddly post

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
2. No
He may pitch, but will get hurt again. or he may come back mid year for a bit, but he wont be CY Carp for the year like we need.

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?
   2. Skip Schumaker
though if this was FBB it would be Ludwick, because I dont think he can keep it up…and sell high!
   

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

   1. Chris Perez
 though, Motte was impressive

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?

   1. Yea
   im betting he will keep that impossibly unsubstainable BABIP up for a whole year ;-)
Still I like the guy

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?
   2. After next season
   

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?
   5. Other
What about that guy from the Pirates who went to the Yankees? Marte? Isnt he a FA or not?

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

   1. Middle infield
I want to say starting pitching, and thats probably the smart thought, but im just so sick of a pathetic MI

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

   5. Other (feel free to specify)

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

  2. Jess Todd
 I think Anderson and/or freeze could both be traded by the start of the year. I dont know if that would qualify as a contribution or not.

Do you like me?

   1. Yes
   I dont really pay attention to which blogger makes the blogs really but you all do great jobs and I enjoy the work you put in

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Nov 5, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Election 2008

A. Yes
B. Skip Schumaker
C. Chris Perez?
D. Yea (only if we get an impact shortstop)
E. After next season
F. Brian Fuentes
G. Middle infield
H. The secret weapon
I. David Freese (he may be a significant September call up)
Do you like me?

It really does not matter. Now that Barack Obama is president – I can quit working and let you and other taxpayers pay my bills for me. So it does not matter if I like you or like me – I will soon be living the good life letting Uncle Sam (IE taxpayers) take care of me. Viva socialism!

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by Cardinal Red State on Nov 5, 2008 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

he woulda been a significant sept. callup in '08

not sure what happened there…

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
Yes

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

   1. Rick Ankiel
   2. Skip Schumaker
   3. Ryan Ludwick

Any of the three for the right deal. Preferably Rick or Skip

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

Fuentes

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?
 Nay, Rather we sign Jerry Hairston to take his place. He is better with the glove.

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

   2. After next season

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

   1. Brian Fuentes

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?

   2. Bullpen

I think the Market for MIF is overpriced and would like us to bring back Iz2. I think Brian Fuentes would be a great pickup by us.

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?

   1. Jose Oquendo

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?
Yeah

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 5, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

From what I read at Cards Talk

Yadi got one, Pujols didn’t (Gonzalez got it instead)

by StLHugo on Nov 5, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

List

C: Yadier Molina, STL
1B: Adrian Gonzalez, SD
2B: Brandon Phillips, CIN
3B: David Wright, NYM
SS: Jimmy Rollins, PHI
OF: Nate McLouth, PIT
OF: Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF: Shane Victorino, PHI
P: Greg Maddux, LAD
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2008/index.jsp

by StLHugo on Nov 5, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

About time on Yadi. but no Albert? Seriously, what is wrong with these people?

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 5, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not like gonzo was horrid

and to be fair, he’s won a ton of awards so far this year.

Sucks that Rick was hurt so much, because he would have dominated I think.

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

he wasn't as good as I thought he would be

but he does have probably the best arm in the OF

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

so I have caved on keeping him in center

I think he’ll just get hurt more ala Edmonds too. so an outfield of Ankiel in LF, Rasmus in CF, and Ludwick in RF looks fantabulous

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Clarification

My pronoun usage was intended to imply Adrian not Ankiel. Since Ankiel was the last one mentioned this is a grammer bad no my part. Someone flag it.

by azruavatar on Nov 5, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

you have dyslexia too, no?

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i’ve just looked at a few, wasn’t as close as I thought it was. That being said, at least it wasn’t Lee

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

which also include his time of injury

i mean, he played a load of games during “should of been dl” stints, if you take the first two months or so and keep him healthy, i think they’ll be a lot different than what the final metrics said.

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't see the clarification

doh

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that's right

you should probably look at the numbers prior to DL

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm....

RZR OOZ
.697 35
vs.
.840 52

by davethebutcher on Nov 5, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought/hoped Glaus would get one

"There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary. And there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance."

by Bahamaredbird on Nov 5, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

1,2,2,1,2,5,1,2,4,1

Cardinals Project 2009 - Ensure 100 More Years

by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 5, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Hope (retching) ...for Carpenter

1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,4,1

I was going to explain it all, but then I realized that I’m not about to take the time to read everyone elses’ explanations. No offense. It is what it is.

Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"

by thegodfather on Nov 5, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

but half the point of democracy

is that all true democratics feel compelled go around preaching at all their friends, coworkers, family members, fellow internet forum addicts, etc, trying to convince them that the memes they are infected with are the One True Memes. Right?

You suck at democracy!

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 5, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true, you're right

I guess I did enough preaching the past week or so.

Very nice reply by the way, I was in need of a good laugh and you deliverd. I’m just not capable of a witty retort tonight for some reason.

Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"

by thegodfather on Nov 5, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

and by "deliverd"

I mean delivered. Yeah…

Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"

by thegodfather on Nov 5, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Here it goes

2,2,1,2,3,3,1,1,2,3

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum

by IrishDomer08 on Nov 5, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

A. 2
B. 123, and maybe 4
C. 1
D. 2
E. 1
F. 5 shouse
G. value, doesn’t matter where.
H. 1
I. 2
1

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Nov 5, 2008 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

2,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,4,1

-- Aidan Sonoda
In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas.

by Aidan Sonoda on Nov 5, 2008 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

In the spirit of the 2008 and 1960 elections

I’m voting MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!!!!

A. Will Chris Carpenter be healthy enough to contribute in 2009?
2. No

B. Which of the following outfielders would you be most willing to trade this offseason?

1. Rick Ankiel

C. Who do you want closing games in 2009?

2. Jason Motte

D. Felipe Lopez in ’09: yea or nay?
2. Nay

E. When should the Cardinals begin talking to Albert Pujols about a contract extension?

1. Now
   

F. Who is the most attractive lefty relief option on the FA market?

5. Other

G. What should be Mr. Mo’s biggest priority this offseason?
1. Middle infield

H. Who would you like to see succeed Tony La Russa?
5. Terry Pendleton

I. Which of the following minor leaguers is most likely to make a significant contribution to the Cardinals in 2009?

4. Mitchell Boggs

Do you like me?
2. No You broke rule #1, no politics. You fail, Red Baron.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 5, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

chicago politics

aramis ramirez hank aaron award anybody? fukudome all-star game starter? vote early, and vote often.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

or don't vote at all

like I did

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

not do

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 5, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Votes

A. 1. Yes
B. 2. Skip Schumaker
C. 1. Chris Perez
D. 2. Nay

E. 1. Now
F. 3. Will Ohman
G. 1. Middle infield
H. 1. Jose Oquendo
I. 4. Mitchell Boggs
J. 3. Maybe

by mateodh on Nov 5, 2008 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

ballot

2,1,1,2,3,5,2,5,4,3

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 5, 2008 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

2,2,5,2,2,1,1,1,4,1

"There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary. And there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance."

by Bahamaredbird on Nov 5, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

voting

2,1,5,2,2,1,1,1,4,3

Just a few thoughts, the cardinals should consider themselves foolish to expect anything else from Chris Carpenter. If they do get anything they should consider themselves lucky. I wish I was wrong but it’s been 2 years. I think this contract while not crippling is definately holding JM back from doing what needs to be done. Which is get another quality starter and sign the best FA lr available. I think both these chores could be accomplished at this stage in the free agent market if the money being paid to Carp was not being paid to him. Plain and simple. Apologies to Chris but dude, 2years! As for the MI, if the money were spent to improve the rotation and lefty pen, I’d be happy to let tony and the farm figure out the middle infield including starting spring with Izturis playing short. I cant’t ignore how many games were lost last year not because of offense but piching depth.

by Walking Underwear on Nov 5, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

2 years

is actually the amount of time it takes for a pitcher to completely comeback from tommy john. lboros did a post on it a while back, i searched for it but couldn’t find it.

unfortunately he had this nerve thing happen which has happened before and he came back from. i understand the pessimism and i’m there with you but the fact that its been two years is actually encouraging in a weird way.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Nov 5, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

1,2,1,1,2,2,1,1,3,3

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Nov 5, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Vote

1,2,5,2,2,1,4,1,4,3

AWM_Kurtz

by StAlphonzo on Nov 5, 2008 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Vote

1,3,1,2,1,3,1,1,3,1

Yadi is my hero

by Big Phil on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

vote

1,1,1,2,2,2,1,5,4,3

manager other is either bob melvin of joe maddon

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 5, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

vote

2,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,3

by sbentley on Nov 5, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

OK, here you go

2,2,1,2,1,3,1,5,2,3

I would like to see the Cardinals go after Joe Maddon to replace Tony. However, I think we should try to keep Tony as long as he wants to manage. If nothing else, he gets the guys to play hard. I know a lot of folks on this board don’t like the way Tony plays situational ball, but I know he is a smart guy and he is obviously integrating new information into the way he manages (witness batting the pitcher 8th).

Other comments:
We need to lock up Albert for as long as we can for whatever price it takes. It is not just about “balancing the payroll”. Albert puts butts in the seats and this is a franchise that is known for its great players. Every generation has had a great to follow. I grew up watching Ozzie Smith, my Dad grew up watching Musial, my Grandpa grew up watching Dizzie. We just can’t let the guy go anywhere. Plus, when you have the best hitter in baseball, a gold-glove caliber player, and a gamer that always gives his all, you always have a chance to win, and thats what its all about.

As to whether I like you, I never let on until the 3rd date.

by ckeiner on Nov 5, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

1,2,3,1,3,3,1,2,3,3

To me, the closer question was the one that caused the longest head-scratching, and I’m not sure I really believe my own answer (Motte). Part of the reason is that I’m one of those contrarians who believe that the best reliever should be used in the highest-leverage situation, not to record easy “saves” by pitching the 9th inning with a 2- or 3-run lead — i.e., in the historic “fireman” role rather than the “closer” role. I suspect that Perez is more suited for the fireman role than Motte and has the better long-term prospects as a reliever. TLR being TLR, however, it may be better to just bite the bullet and let the best reliever close, so that he doesn’t do something worse with roster management.

The trade-bait OF Q is also interesting. Skippy is clearly the most “disposable” of the choices, but he won’t bring much in a trade. Lud or Ank would potentially bring quite a bit more.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 5, 2008 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

speaking of shopping outfielders...

David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting in his blog that Ryan Ludwick is being offered to Atlanta for either Yunel Escobar or Kelly Johnson. That would certainly be a major change. Not sure how I feel about that…

by nmstar on Nov 5, 2008 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a little late but here we go anyway...

A. No, of course not…
B. Ankiel, because the lack of plate discipline PAINS me…
C. Perez, because Motte throws one pitch, and Izzy and Franklin aren’t viable…
D. I’ll say yes, just because I don’t see the money being spent on Hudson or Furcal…
E. Why not now? I’d rather get it done sooner than later…
F. Affeldt over Ohman and Eyre, while Fuentes isn’t worth it…
G. Easily the middle infield, but I don’t see any drastic improvement happening…
H. Oquendo will get a job sooner or later, why not St. Louis?
I. I guess Boggs, but obviously nothing spectacular…

Do I like you? Hmm…maybe…

by LukeMP1186 on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Gold gloves announced

Congrats Ya-Mo. Albert apparently has a lot to learn from Adrian Gonzalez?

by brindled on Nov 5, 2008 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

2,2,1,2,3,5,1,1,4,3

F: Beimel

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Nov 5, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

2,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,4,1

"And it's popped up, into foul territory and out of play. Oh, that ball landed right in a lady's Busch." -Mike Shannon

by an on Nov 5, 2008 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

My Civic Duty

2,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,3,1

Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

by Edbird on Nov 6, 2008 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

my absentee ballot

A- no clue, but here’s hoping “yes and in a big way”
B- Skippie
C- Perez- let’s fire it up all the way and see what happens
D- Yea
E- At his earliest convenience- tonight, next week, next year… whenever he wants to
F- Fuentes
G- Middle infield- what’s this I hear about Kelly Johnson?
H- Secret Weapon- no brainer
I- (The Great Wade) Boggs (pants)
J- What’s your name again?

I love the hot stove

by Scarecrow7775 on Nov 6, 2008 7:00 AM EST reply actions  

Votes

1,2,2,1,2,1,1,1,4,4

That 4 on the last one stands for an attempt at humor for a question that comes right out of a third-grader’s note passed in the back of a Social Studies class. :)

by Fred Head on Nov 6, 2008 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Haha

"Dear Cindy, do you like me. Please circle one:

Yes
Yeah
Maybe"

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

my votes

A. 2 No
B. 3 Ludwick
C. 1 Perez
D. 1 Yea
E. 1 Definately now. Its never too early to begin negotiations
F. 3 Ohman
G. 2 Bullpen
H. 1 Oquendo. why not?
I. 4 Boggs
J. 3

by doobs344 on Nov 6, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

My answers

2, 1 or 2, 1 or 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 1, 4, 1 (sure, why not?)

by stlfan on Nov 6, 2008 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I'll give it a shot (belatedly)

A. Yes (1) It’s how much he contributes thats the issue.
B. Skip Schumaker (2) Skippy is superfluous. He’s not the best chip, but he doesn’t have a spot on the team.
C. Jason Motte (2) I’m leary of big contracts and Perez’s control.
D. Nay (2) Just say not to Floppy! I don’t mind bad D, but you got to hit to be worth it.
E. After next season (2) His value is insanely high right now, after his best year in the bigs. It’s got to be lower next offseason.
F. Will Ohman (3) None of the names were bad, but Ohman is the youngest and isn’t a “closer.”
G. Bullpen (2) Actually, pitching in general. The middle infield, while weak, did contribute this year.
H. Jose Oquendo (1) Just not that real big into this kind of thing.
I. Jess Todd (2) Boggs has a better chance of playing, but Todd has a better chance to be good. Don’t see Freese or Anderson playing a role unless there are injuries.
J. Yes (1) Don’t have any reason not to.

by aNdrOss on Nov 6, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Votes

A. At least I hope he is, and hope’s a good thing.
B. Skip’s the one I’d hate to lose the least, but I don’t expect there to be much of a market for him.
C. Perez
D. Yea. If we can get him on the cheap he’s worth another try.
E. After next season
F. Will Ohman. I don’t believe we’d have to sacrifice a draft pick to sign him and somebody told me he had the highest K rate of those listed. I was too lazy to actually look this up.
G. Bullpen. Bullpen. Bullpen. That would have made the biggest difference for us last year.
H. Ted Simmons. Let him spend a couple years as a bench coach in SD and then give him a shot at managing the birds. Jose Oquendo was a very close second. Hopefully he stay on. The problem with hiring Ozzie or the secret weapon is it’s difficult to fire them.
I. I’ll take the cheeky answer and say Anderson will be traded in the offseason bringing in a helpful veteran player. Serious guess would be Mitchell Boggs. He’s next on call and I think he’s got a chance to be a solid #4-5 starter.
J. Yes. I like what you do.

by Ballgame on Nov 6, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

votes

A. 2 (no)
B. I like them all, but Ankiel
C. Motte
D. Nay, awful fielder and a fluke
E. 1
F. 4
G. Bullpen
H. 1 :)
I. 3
Do you like me? Yea man!!!!!

by cardsrule15 on Nov 7, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

What the hell? Are you all from Florida, or something? ;-)

2,1,2,2,1,4,2,1,3,1

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Nov 7, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I please use a paper ballot? Thanks.

2,2,2,2,2,5,1,1,2,1

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Nov 7, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

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