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by aNdrOss on Nov 4, 2008 11:30 AM EST Comment 16 comments

I really enjoyed last offseason when there was that Cardinal's all-time playoff team tournament. It was a lot of fun.

I know that it was a lot of work, and I don't know if I'm suggesting this in the right place, but I had an interesting idea for another similar tournament.

What if each of the SB Nation blogs put together an all-time All-Star roster, using the best players that each team has ever had in their best years. Then there could be a tournament between all of the different teams, eventually crowning the best organization in baseball history!

Would this be even a feasible idea? Has this been done before (I'm sure something like this has been at least considered at one point or another on some forum)?

Admittedly, there would be some issues, expansion teams being one of them (Cards get 100+ years of players to choose from, D'backs get ~15), although setting a definite timeframe (i.e. 1990 onward, initial expansion onward, etc.) could help even things out, at the expense of not being able to use guys like the Babe.

Anyway, feel free to discuss or shoot my idea down, whichever is more appropriate.

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This would be quite interesting...

but I have a feeling the Yankees would completely blowout the competition. I would guess that the final standings would resemble the total number of world championships.

Great idea!!

by cardzfanbub on Nov 4, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i had that thought about the yankees too

however, i also wonder if there is enough baseball history to choose from that much of the yankees’ superstar advantage would become redundant? there are only so many spots on the team to put guys in. then again, maybe they’d just have the awesomest bench of all time.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

at least we would have rogers hornsby and bob gibson

along with Pujols, and tons of other great players

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All-Time Cardinals Team

Gibson, Sutter, Ted Simmons, Pujols, Hornsby, Ozzie Smith, Ken Boyer, Musial, McGee, Enos “Country” Slaughter

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 4, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Lou Brock

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thought About Brock

Musial is my left fielder. If you put Stan the Man at first base, then that would take a spot away from Pujols. You could put Brock in left and Musial at first.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 5, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In a perfect world

Pujols wouldn’t have an elbow problem, and you could put him at 3rd in place of Boyer. Then you could have Brock in LF, Stan the Man at 1B.

I also would probably put Curt Flood in CF over McGee, which would give the Cards one of the best defensive outfields in the competition. Everyone always seems to forget how incredibly good Curt Flood was in CF. Had he gotten to play through his prime years, he’d probably in the HOF as a player — he was that good.

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by fourstick on Nov 5, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Curt Flood

I have heard that some thought Flood was a better defensive CF than Mays back in the 1960’s. I wish I had gotten a chance to see him play. I’m more familiar with McGee, so that’s why I put him in CF. Flood wouldn’t be a bad choice at all.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 5, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That'd be cool

you’d also have to figure out which player belongs to which team for some of the more current guys, guys who have been traded more often.

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by thegodfather on Nov 4, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

The marlins team would dominate.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Nov 4, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure what this tournament would be

and how you’d decide who won (would there be any chance factors involved?). I think that it should include all the players a team has had so that older players aren’t excluded.

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I like the idea, but here's a way to make it more fair:

Each SB Nation blog gets to pick one TEAM, not an All-Star team, but say like the 2004 Cardinals, or the 2008 Rays, or whatever year they want to pick. Teams can go back to the dead ball era, they can pick some 50’s or 60’s juggernaut, or they can pick this last year.

Almost every franchise has at least one monster team. Even the Rays have this last year, which probably wouldn’t hold up all that well against World Series championship teams, but it’s still going to give a good showing.

by mtalken on Nov 4, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Another idea:

Since there are 30 teams, sim out games for everyone playing everyone else, and make a 16 team bracket of whichever teams finish in the top 16 spots. (making it as inclusive as possible without giving byes, which seem unfair)

OR – after doing a preliminary round of every team vs. every other team, make a bracket with the best teams getting byes, so everyone is still in.

by mtalken on Nov 4, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

With all time rosters

a team that may surprise would be the expos.

I mean you have Raines, Walker, Cabrera, R. Johnson, Lilly, Torres, Zeile, L. Hernández, Bottenfield, Dawson, ‘raga, Wetteland, DeSheilds, Alou, Vlad among others I can’t think of.

The sheer amount of talent they found over the years is impressive, even if they didn’t really do much with it.

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by AdjustedExpectations on Nov 6, 2008 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

don't forget

Pedro. And Gary Carter behind the plate.

Although I don’t think Lilly, Torres, Zeile and Bottenfield would surprise many people.

by andujar on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good points

I hadn’t thought of the idea of using a whole team instead of individual players, but that would be more balanced.

On a slightly different note, I have seen fantasy baseball leagues that use historical players and compete against each other. That is kind of the way I envisioned this, that the Cards, for example, would use the 2008 Albert Pujols, the 2004 Jim Edmonds, the 1948 Stan Musial, etc.

by aNdrOss on Nov 6, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs