Trever Miller Watch: A Nation Holds Its Breath
This is almost certainly the least suspenseful contract jockeying of all time. Trever Miller is not a bad pitcher, and I don't mean to act like he is, but his inconsistency from year to year, when combined with his low upside, makes him indistinguishable, to me, from any of the minor league fliers that the Cardinals could take heading into the season. He might help you out some, he might hurt you a little, but he's probably not going to put you on his left arm and say "don't worry about it, boys—this is my team now" anytime soon.
Over his last five years Miller has had two good seasons, 2006 and 2004, and three marginal ones. He's 35, so he might lose it, but he's a lefty, so he might not; he's got good control sometimes and bad control some other times. I don't see any particularly brilliant way to suss out whether or not his next fifty innings will be good ones or bad ones, short of counting the number of left-handed hitters he's slated to face in each one.
It's proven less true the last few years, when the Cardinals have increasingly signed free agents and developed prospects to fill the back of the pen, but the Cardinals have a history with that Beyond the Boxscore perennial, freely available talent. Through scouting and luck the Cardinals occasionally, after going the minor league route, come up with a useful player. When they don't—well, as Bill Pulsipher would vouch, they either make the team and disappear or end up a Spring Training memory, harming nobody in particular.
So let's say that, in addition to Trever Miller, the Cardinals were scouting a reliever named Talent Available Freely—you can name him whatever you want, but my reliever is Moe Szyslak's acquaintance's brother—who put up the following lines over his last four seasons.
Year
G
IP
K
BB
HR
ERA
2003
26
38.1
51
20
5
2.82
2005
50
41.2
43
13
5
3.46
2005
65
62.2
67
20
5
2.15
2006
62
77.0
50
23
9
4.09
T.A. had some command problems early in his career, much like his brother, and sometimes he's more fit for low-leverage work than anything else—just like Trever Miller.
All of the players here cost the Cardinals nothing, in baseball terms, and all of them were effective for at least one season. Of course some of them bomb out, but that's how this sort of thing works; all of the players who aren't guaranteed jobs fight it out, in some weird pseudo-Darwinian fantasy, and the good ones get a season's worth of numbers.
In 2005 Randy Flores could've been usurped by Bill Pulsipher, Carmen Cali, or Gabe White; any of them could be making up a year of the composite instead of the Bellflower Bomber. The individual players are less important when there are so many of them, and in relief pitching more than anything else it seems like quantity is worth far more than quality when you're looking for just-average types. (Can anyone name a consistently "average" relief pitcher, off-hand? I tried for a while but I couldn't.)
It would be great to have a solidly "good" lefty reliever in the pen, so that the onus isn't on these candidates, the Charlie Mannings and Ian Ostlunds, to do anything more than pitch the Aaron Miles innings, but I'm not sure how Trever Miller accomplishes that. He's probably an improvement on any one lefty relief candidate currently in the Cardinals' plans, but I don't think he's an improvement vs. the field.
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The title of your post
made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that on a Monday morning, DanUp.
My question – why does T.A. Freely have two stat lines labeled 2005? Was he a righty part of the time and a lefty the rest of his outings that year? J/K :)
by cardsgirl95 on Nov 24, 2008 8:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
his versatility
is one of his greatest assets.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 24, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
made me laugh as well
fantastic post! i was hoping someone would make light of the fact we are going back and forth with trever miller. it cracks me up that you can find a “miller negotiations continue” story on every major cardinals site and multiple ones on stltoday.com.
tell me he signed: fine. tell me he didn’t sign: fine. i don’t need constant updates.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Nov 24, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brother to I.P?
it took me a second to get it but i came around…my favorite is still Huggenkiss, first name Amanda…Uh, Amanda Huggenkiss? Hey, I’m looking for Amanda Huggenkiss! Ah, why can’t I find Amanda Huggenkiss? i dont care what anybody says the Simpson have still got it…
"I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." -Rogers Hornsby
by nomar34 on Nov 24, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That episode was like
15 years ago, though.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 24, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Why can't I find Amanda Huggenkiss?!"
Barney: “Maybe your standards are too high!”
by Upset on Nov 24, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent line:
“T.A. had some command problems early in his career, much like his brother”
by mtalken on Nov 24, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOOGYs tend to be...
…fungible anyway… (I don’t really have a point to make with this; I just wanted to type the word “fungible”!)
Get the guy signed, and get a MI or two… but since it’s still November, it pro’lly won’t happen nearly as quickly as we’d like! (grinning behind my goalie mask…)
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Nov 24, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really wouldn't care
if the Miller signing fell through. Then again I wouldn’t necessarily be against it if he signed. I’m apathetic about mediocre 35 year old left handed relief pitchers.
I’m still hoping Tyler Johnson is able to return with success. That’d solve a lot of problems real quick.
Very nice title by the way.
Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"
by thegodfather on Nov 24, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
TJ does solve some problems
But TLR is the kind of manager that isn’t comfortable with just one lefty reliever in the pen. If Ostlund shows well in ST and can be effective, then we won’t have to worry about whether or not the Miller deal falls through. But that’s a big “if” considering he has never pitched in the Majors before. I’d like the Miller deal to get done because at least he has experience at this level. TJ does too, but he hasn’t pitched in a big league game in over a year.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Nov 24, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying just have one
But if TJ comes back, we only have to worry about one of our average-ish acquisitions being acceptable, rather than two. I don’t want to see Villone-Flores version 2.0. I’m fine with Miller as long as its not a bad contract.
Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"
by thegodfather on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how true this is
but FWIW rick hummel said last week that TJ probably won’t be ready by spring training.
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
he says that TJ should be able to contribute later in the season though. Getting him back at some point could be very helpful, especially when the other LH relievers are more “know quantities” by that point.
Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"
by thegodfather on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle McClellan
Likely as good as any lefty we’ll sign at retiring lefties.
by azruavatar on Nov 24, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
McClellan vs. LHB (2008): .238/.321/.385 .706 OPS 137 PA’s; 24/14 K/BB ratio
Villone vs. LHB (2008): .176/.311/.318 .629 OPS 108 PA’s; 27/16 K/BB ratio
Miller vs. LHB (2008): .209/.305/.308 .612 OPS 106 PA’s; 30/10 K/BB ratio
Shouse vs. LHB (2008: .180/.196/.290 .486 OPS 104 PA’s 28/2 K/BB ratio
All of those guys are available, all were better than McClellan against lefties last year, and all would be signable for less than $3M for next year. If Villone had been used as a LOOGY and could get his walks down a bit he’s as good a solution as any. Shouse, even though he’s 40, reminds me of Tony Fossas in that he’s very, very good at getting lefties out at an advanced age. Miller is still .100 points better in OPS against than McClellan is in his LHB split.
Mac is the better reliever because he can get guys from both sides of the plate out, but he’s not better at getting lefties out than some of the relievers that are available on the cheap.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 24, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Villone – .626
Miller – .642
Shouse – .553
3 year averages against lefties are less rosy. Additionally, the propensity for these types of players (old, very narrow skillset) to fall off of a cliff is much higher than that for McClellan. I’m disinclined to believe that the difference between random lefty X and McClellan is going to be more than 50pts of OPS. The Cardinals could survive not having any lefty in the pen if they were careful of their usage of McClellan.
by azruavatar on Nov 24, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McClellan vs. LOOGYs
I was hopeful that TLR would start using McClellan more versus lefthanded batsmen last season, but it is TLR. While I agree that McClellan would likely be as good as any dime-a-dozen southpaw FA out there, we need to take into account TLR’s preference for “playing the match-ups.” This means that he frequently uses a fair number of relievers in the later innings. He needs options. Believe it or not, McClellan actually faced more left-handed batsmen last season, 137, than Villone, 103. (I believe this is probably due to Flores’s injuries/ineffectiveness and Garcia being plugged into the ‘pen and subsequently getting injured as well.) Also, oddly enough, McClellan’s reverse splits are kind of odd. Right-handed hitters batted .291/.342/.395 against Kyle. This is probably due to a horrendous September (ERA of 12.27) following a poor August (ERA of 5.59). If Kyle can make the phsyical adjustment to a full-length big league season, he’s a very legitimate option out of the ’pen versus any batter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lefties vs KMC
hit .186/.269/.309 through 12 august, then .440/.517/.680 after. His split vs righties was pretty consistent for the season. link
Wish I knew of an easy way to get a day-by-day breakdown of pitch/fx data. It would be interesting to see if, for example, his slider completely stopped working in august, or something.
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just from what I'm remembering
I think that his slider sort of flattened out in August and September, similar to what happened to Wellemeyer when he was coming back from injury.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 24, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He clearly hit a wall
You could see it just by watching, but the data backs it up. Wow. That August 13th, onward split is attrocious!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's good against lefties
Yes. But he’s also a guy who’s going to one inning each time out, so you don’t want to use him situationally to get one or two guys out when you could put him in a high leverage situation where the team needs a full inning.
I’m not sure if your argument is that the team doesn’t need a LOOGY because they have Kyle McClellan, or if you’re saying that he’s good against lefties and therefore the need for a true LOOGY is diminished. I think the latter is true, but I think the former is completely false — the team still needs a guy who can come in and get one lefty hitter out on certain occasions.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 24, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need two?
I agree that we still need a guy who can come in and get one lefty hitter out on certain occasions. But we only need a guy, one guy, not two; having McClellan forgoes the need to have two of them, assuming he is not used in the rotation.
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.
by Solanus on Nov 24, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The need for a first rate LOOGY is somewhat diminished because the Cards have a righty who can be effective against lefthanded batsmen. I have often wondered what Villone’s ERA would’ve been minus the massacre at the hands of the Phillies. I would say that McClellan should go at least 1 full inning in an outing, which he did by and large last year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3.72
though I suspect he was very lucky with bequethed runners not scoring (not sure where to find stats on that).
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither am I
And with that very high walk rate, you are likely right. His successors had to have bailed him out on many an occasion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This really is the slow time of the year isn't it?
/captain obvious
by paposse on Nov 24, 2008 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting post today at BtB
Comparing the runs created by base stealers in every decade back to the 1910s. Interesting to see who had the all-time best. Yes, the picture at the top does give it away.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 24, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have that baseball card, sleeved, in a shoebox that is in my closet
Vincent Van Go had a pretty low OBP (except for 1987 when it was .363). I wonder what the value of a run created by stealing a base is versus a run created by merely getting on base. That is, whether his ability to steal bases in 1986, when his OBP was a paltry .301 gave him a value analagous to a leadoff hitter with an OBP of, say, .315. Any insights?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
using GPA and solving for obp/run
about 4.4 points of OBP = 1 run, over 670 PA (though the value of OBP is theoretically a little higher for leadoff men than for other lineup positions). Ignoring this for now, to match coleman’s 18.22 runs created in 1986 (from Anderson’s study) and without adjusting his SLG, he would have needed to have the awesome line of .232/.381/.280.
IE, 107/14 SB/CS is worth .080 OBP’s.
I’ve seen other studies that claim 2 points of OBP = 1 run (Pankin 2004, for example) so it might be much lower than that. If that is true it would be more like .340.
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good work, SleepyCA
Either way, it significantly increased his value batting leadoff.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trever Miller is not a bad pitcher, and I don’t mean to act like he is, but his inconsistency from year to year, when combined with his low upside, makes him indistinguishable, to me, from any of the minor league fliers that the Cardinals could take heading into the season.
Here, here.
Furcal
by JI on Nov 24, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Leach gives VEB a shoutout on his mailbag
Two goldfish are in a tank. One of them turns to the other and says, "You man the guns, I'll drive!"
by thegodfather on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what is this?
a back and forth with the cards using the reds interest (jocketty’s) as leverage? it must be a money thing…to me at least. I can’t think of any other viable reason; I mean, the man already got his physical done right?
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by cards4life on Nov 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Renteria signs with SF
2 years, $18 million
Thoughts?
by mojowo11 on Nov 24, 2008 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was about to go all WTF on Sabean
until I realized that, since they pick in the top 15, it won’t cost them their 1st rounder. This would have been a stupid move for the Cards b/c it’s common knowledge that the Tigers were going to decline to offer him arbitration. The Giants didn’t have to worry about that. The 2nd rounder they’ll lose does have value, however. And $18 M seems high as well.
by chuckb on Nov 24, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean likes to just donate draft picks
I don’t get it. Would anyone even be willing to top 2/18 anyway? The Tigers wouldn’t take him for 9 million for one year basically.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on Nov 24, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$18M is high?
Yeah, I think it is.
But maybe SF is doing what people around here promote a lot – overpaying a bit for a short term deal so that you don’t have to give a player a longer term deal. Just a guess.
And as to Sabean not liking draft picks – I’m not sure how true that is anymore, but he has definitely made moves in the past to rid himself of draft picks and their accompanying bonuses, which he apparently thinks are not the best way for his franchise to spend money (or maybe his owner has told him that is the way to think…..) Sabean has not denied that avoiding those bonuses is one reason he doesn’t mind losing picks.
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Nov 24, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Sabean has not denied that avoiding those bonuses is one reason he doesn’t mind losing picks.
Because paying someone less than they’re worth 100% of the time is such a terrible idea for an organization.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on Nov 24, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming that draft pick makes the bigs...
Right now STL has paid Tyler Green $1,100,000 in signing bonus money and it is wasted unless he makes it to the show. So it’s only a good value if the draft pick makes the show and plays long enough.
by ICbirdfan on Nov 24, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1.1 million is child's play to what say JJ Hardy has saved the Brewers.
Most draft picks fail but the ones who make it are unbelievably valuable. If I gave you the opportunity to make a bet where it paid out 30/1 and it only has a 10% chance of winning, would you take it? Obviously you would, and you’d want to take it as many times as possible. I mean the Giants have a minimum 125 million dollar pitcher pitching for 400k!
For reference, the entire first round of 2002 was paid ~50 million, by my estimation each of BJ Upton, Zach Greinke, Prince Fielder, Scott Kazmir, Cole Hamels, and Matt Cain would each get more than 50 million on the FA market which is what you have to go to if you don’t draft. (That’s not counting useful/good players like Jeff Francis, Joe Blanton, James Loney, Denard Span, Khalil Greene, Joe Saunders or Jeremy Hermida) I know, I know I know, we’re not talking about 1st rounders right here anyway, but the point is literally every draft pick is paid less than what he is actually worth.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on Nov 24, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow- they're moving quick
Thankfully cuckb posted the protected top 15 pick before I lost it – I had forgotten that. Either they’re going all out to win now or to completely screw the Cards???
by birdo rojo on Nov 24, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
They just like veteran SS. Sabean probably figures that Renteris will probably play into his 40’s, like their previous SS…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 24, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it much.
I know that Renteria is only a year removed from being a pretty damn good player, but his defense isn’t great an he could be very well finished. Plus he was a type A.
Furcal
by JI on Nov 24, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Sabean...
I’d go on a binge, signing a bunch of relievers and as many mid-grade FAs as possible. Then, I’d try and dump them at the deadline for some decent prospects.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SS FA depleting fast
Oakland looks to be getting Furcal for 4 years, 48 mil +/-
Overpriced?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Nov 24, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bogus report
According to updated reports there is no 4 yr 48 mil deal on the table.
Still reporting a “mystery team” I really hope that mystery team is the Cardinals.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 24, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for 4 years
I want no part of Furcal’s age 35 season.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on Nov 24, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the risk
As he ages, maybe he would be willing to shift over to 2nd?
Getting nervous about the decreasing options. Hopefully if MO goes the trade route, he doesn’t even consider Crosby.
Same link, Renteria deal may not be accurately reported either.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 24, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 24, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal will be in his age 34 season at the end of any 4 year deal.
Speed players tend to age well, but, yeah I’d be weary of giving him a guaranteed fourth year.
Furcal
by JI on Nov 24, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course, there's always the
“sign him to a contract for 4 years, then trade him after two” path, like the braves took with renteria. It would be great if we could get 2 years of furcal for 24M and then trade him for some jurrjens-caliber prospects when one of our SS candidates are ready.
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the 3-year deal the Dodgers gave Furcal
He played 159 games in 2006 and batted .300/.369/.445, which was well worth his ’06 salary. In 2007, he played 138 games and hit .270/.333/.355, which is a bit of a drop off. And, of course, in 2008, he hit very well in the 36 games he played in. What will years 2, 3 , and 4 look like for an aging player who has missed time with injuries each of the last two seasons?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In '07
He was also battling a serious ankle injury caused by a freak collision with an outfielder named Jason Repko, and had a stretch where he hit like batshit crazy…like 85 hits in 62 at bats with 91 bombs or something. Ankle injuries are no joke; they’re nagging SOB’s and they’ll slow you down for awhile if you don’t just rest for awhile
I’d be more worried about the back injury he suffered this year. Back injuries just don’t sound good on aging middle infielders.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 24, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we want to win this year
Furcal is pretty much the biggest addition we could possibly make. (Outside, of say gambling on Ben Sheets, and then seeing him make 32 starts and be effective)
Furcal
by JI on Nov 25, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you'd be tired of giving him a 4th year
[/spelling asshole]
by azruavatar on Nov 24, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Award lost in the shuffle
The NL Player of the Month for September: Ryan Howard
I’m glad that Ryan Howard’s impressive month of September was recognized in its proper context.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 24, 2008 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's the definition of value
In September.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist
by joker24 on Nov 24, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
poor andre ethier.
god, i love baseball. -roy hobbs
by SleepyCA on Nov 24, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
none of you guys has used the headline Hawking A LOOGY yet
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 25, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trever Miller: TB won a pennant with him so he can’t be too bad….. Right?
by Czechguardsman on Dec 2, 2008 3:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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