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The NLCS begins

Last year’s championship series featured 1 great matchup – a 7 game thriller that ended w/ Boston rallying from a 3-1 deficit to defeat the Indians – and 1 blowout – the Rockies completed their tremendous improbable run to the World Series w/ a sweep of the Dbacks. Of course, the Rockies tremendous streak ended against the Dbacks as the Sox took it to them in what has, unfortunately, become World Series S.O.P – the World Series wipeout. This year’s LCS get started w/ a somewhat surprising matchup – the Dodgers (my brother’s favorite team) and the Phils.

There’s really no reason why the Cubs aren’t here – except for the fact that they’re the Cubs – which I would like to believe in despite my affinity for ridiculous things like facts. Well, there’s actually another reason. The Dodgers really took it to them in the Division Series. They won the 3 games by a combined score of 20-6. They out-hit them, out-pitched them and, particularly in game 2 (when the Cubs successfully accomplished the rarest of feats – the infield fielding grand slam) out-fielded them. The Phils series w/ the Brewers was only slightly more competitive. 3 of their 4 games were 3 or 2-run games.

The Dodgers strike me as a particularly interesting team this postseason. They are a team that was built w/ veterans in the hopes that these older players would return the team to glory. When that wasn’t working, they had the foresight to stick all these geezers on the bench and play their young players. Now their bench reads like an All-Star team from 10 years ago – Garciaparra, Kent, Andruw Jones, Pierre, Schmidt (DL). Surely somewhere somebody’s saying what an advantage the Dodgers have in this series w/ so many "proven vets" on their bench, all the while ignoring the fact that the team wouldn’t be here if those "proven vets" weren’t on the bench and were, instead, in the starting lineup. Did I mention that the Dodgers made the playoffs w/ "proven vet" Rafael Furcal on the DL instead of in the lineup?

Instead, they’ve got young, unproven yet talented players completing their lineup, rotation and bullpen. Finally, the team decided to let its young, uber-talented CF play every day and, wouldn’t you know it, he’s been terrific. They’ve got youngsters at 1B, C, and RF as well as their #2 starter and terrific setup man but, of course, they really took off when they acquired the outstanding right-handed hitting line-drive hitter w/ power – Manny Ramirez.

In a lot of ways, this team reminds me of the 2006 Cardinals. No one really expected them to be able to compete w/ the Cubs just like no one really expected the stumbling Cards to compete against the other NL teams 2 years ago. The Dodgers entered the playoffs w/ just 84 regular season wins – only 1 more than the Cards’ total in ’06. Like the Cards that year, their playoff lineup was distinctly different from the one they used for much of the season. During the ’06 season, the Cards suffered from a lot of injuries and rarely played w/ Eckstein, Edmonds, Rolen, Pujols, Belliard, and Duncan all in the same lineup. Part of that was due to injuries to Edmonds, Eckstein and Rolen. Part of that was due to Duncan’s mid-season promotion and Belliard’s trade deadline acquisition. In any case, the lineup almost had to have a meet-and-greet before taking the field in San Diego to begin the ’06 playoffs. This year’s Dodgers aren’t all that different.

Pierre and Kent began the season in the lineup (well, Pierre was platooning), as did Jones. Ramirez came over at mid-season. DeWitt took over for Kent and Casey Blake took over for DeWitt at third. Out of necessity, the Dodgers turned to their young guys. It became abundantly clear that they weren’t going anywhere w/ their $9 M, weak-armed and offensively feckless LF and their $14 M, offensively brutal CF in the lineup every day. To their credit, they finally did extricate Pierre and Jones from that lineup and replace them every day w/ Kemp and Ethier. It would have been easy to try to squeeze blood from the turnips that are the Pierre and Jones contracts but they ultimately determined that those contracts were sunk costs and, if they were going to win, it was time to put the vets on the bench and play the kids.

They turned to Kemp as the Cards turned to Wainwright in ’06 – only after doing everything they could to get the vet to work out. Finally, the teams were left w/ no other option – remember, the Cards tried Braden Looper before turning to Wainwright in September, 2006 – and it was either play the kids or watch the postseason on TV. The Cards in ’06 got a lot out of Jeff Weaver in the playoffs and the unheralded bullpen of Kinney, Johnson, and Wainwright. The Dodgers, too, have an unheralded but very strong pen consisting of Jonathan Broxton, Joe Beimel, Cory Wade, and Takashi Saito. No one expected Weaver to pitch as well as he did in the playoffs and I doubt people expect much from Hiroki Kuroda – probably b/c they don’t know who the hell he is.

The Cards had to face an ostensibly daunting Mets’ offense in ’06. Even so, as powerful as the group of Beltran, Delgado, Wright, and Reyes seemed to be, if you looked beyond the surface, the Mets had some pitching problems. Pedro wasn’t healthy. Maine was unproven and Oliver Perez was downright crazy. He’s still probably crazy though he’s a much better pitcher than he was in 2006. The Mets did have a relatively stable hand in the aging left-hander Tom Glavine – a guy who was still managing to get people out every now and then on guile and a pretty good changeup.

The Phils seem to be a pretty similar team. Wagner was, if not as dominant as Lidge has been this year, pretty damned good – So Taguchi and Yadi notwithstanding. The top of the Phils’ rotation is much stronger as Hamels is one of the best pitchers in the NL. Beyond that, though, they have their issues. Moyer is their Glavine – he could be OK. Is Brett Myers John Maine or is he Oliver Perez? I’m not sure. Blanton just isn’t that good. The bottom line is that the Phils have 1 starter they can count on to combat Lowe, Billingsley and Kuroda. Even Maddux vs. Blanton is, at best, a wash for the Phils.

Their lineup, however, is salty. Playing the roles of Wright, Delgado, Beltran and Reyes will be Burrell, Howard, Utley, and Rollins. Beyond them, though, they have some spots where they can be pitched to. Feliz, though excellent defensively, is horrible offensively. Carlos Ruiz is no Russell Martin. Victorino’s a nice player but one that likely won’t hurt you too bad. Jayson Werth has really become a pretty good ballplayer as well. The Phils are no slouches, that’s for sure.

All that said, I like the Dodgers in 6. The Phils were really hot to end the season and were never seriously challenged by the Brewers in the Division Series but the Dodgers this year, like the Cards in ’06, aren’t at all the same team they were for most of the season. The Phils were 8 games better in the regular season but the Dodgers’ Pythagorean record was actually 2 games better than their 84-78 record would indicate. Still, it’s not the same team. Billingsley, like Hamels, has become one of the best starters in the NL and he’ll pitch twice in this series. Lowe is better than anyone else the Phils have and Kuroda probably is as well. The Phils’ pen isn’t horrible but the Dodgers’ is outstanding. Broxton, Kuo, and Saito all averaged well over a strikeout an inning and Beimel (a free agent after the season, Mr. Mozeliak!) is really tough on lefties. He’ll get a lot of work against Howard and Utley, in particular. Kuo’s another lefty, if he’s healthy enough to be on the roster, and lookout for Dodger phenom Clayton Kershaw – another young ‘un who could really create some problems for the Phils. Saito’s been banged up of late and hasn’t pitched well since returning from the DL. Dodgers’ fans are probably rightly concerned about Broxton stepping into the closer’s role w/ so little experience. Wainwright’s postseason performance in 2006 ought to comfort them some.

At the plate, the Dodgers have almost no real holes. Blake’s not a star and neither is DeWitt, but they both have OBPs over .340 and Blake’s OPS is over .800. Their lineup’s not as strong at the top as the Phils’, but neither is it as weak at the bottom. Both teams rank in the middle of the pack defensively, w/ THT ranking the Phils as slightly better than the Dodgers but, provided they have no Cubs-like breakdowns in the field, their pitching should be enough to pull them through. One interesting thing to watch will be the slight change in format instituted this year. Instead of playing games 3, 4, and 5 on consecutive days, there’s now a day off between games 4 and 5, and then again between 5 and 6 as the teams fly back to Philly. How that will affect the teams’ pitching rotations should be an interesting thing to watch for since there’s no precedent for how to handle it.

I’ll get a game thread up a little later so that we can all enjoy what should be a pretty competitive and exciting series between the two teams.

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Here's where Torre's Yankee experience

comes into play. He’s used to benching big-name, high salary players, because he had so many of ’em in NY. Just another day at the office.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2008 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good write-up

One small note: Yadi hit his game seven home run off of Aaron Heilman, not Wagner.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 9, 2008 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

(a) good memory

and one of my favorite pictures

by random on Oct 9, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why i found

you don’t play around
with the funky cold Molina

by mattybobo on Oct 9, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's right

why did I remember it as Wagner?

by chuckb on Oct 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That and Spiezio's triple

most critical hits of the NLCS (other than Yadi’s homer, of course)…

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of Cubs breakdowns

Does this bother anyone else? Is a GM justifying property damage? Bolt everything down in the visitor’s clubhouse.

I’m looking forward to this series as well. Maybe clubs have learned from 2006… or maybe not. Either way I’m hoping for a battle.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice class

Not surprised, but disappointed in Hendry’s reaction.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 9, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

What a douchebag.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Oct 9, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep postin it

A really underrated factor in the Cubs’ series was the Dodgers’ rotation* total domination of righthanders…with a complement weakness against lefties. Well the Cubs had Edmonds as their only lefty threat, Phillies have the aforementioned Rollins/Utley/Howard/Victorino.

*I’m more inclined to believe Lowe’s heavy career split over his ’08 neutrality.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 9, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to this series, also.

This is the first NLCS in a long time that I’m not heavily invested in rooting for or against a particular team…I have no animosity toward either the Dodgers or Phils…maybe because they are new blood, relatively speaking, in the post-season picture…Solid lineups, good pitching, interesting players, I give the edge in managing to L.A., but Charlie Manuel is no boob…both major markets, so the networks should be happy…this will be a good one…I’ll take the Phils in 7.

by tbell61 on Oct 9, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just curious...

who did you really like/dislike in last year’s NLCS?

by cardzfanbub on Oct 9, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I actually think I care more this year than last...

Diamondbacks/Rockies really didn’t do it for me. I dislike the Phillies, and I like Joe Torre, so I guess I’m pulling for the Dodgers…but I won’t be terribly upset if the Phillies win.

by launchshuttle on Oct 9, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year...

the Rockies were the VEB team and one of my personal fav franchises.

by StLHugo on Oct 9, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to spite Fox Sports

I’m rooting for the Phillies and Rays….

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 9, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the Dodgers too.

I am really hoping for a Dodgers-Rays series. Good stories all-around and I’ll be happy as long as the series is exciting.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Dodgers-Rays could be a great match-up.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 9, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody but Boston

please, Tampa, save us from another Series with those despicable chowderheads.

"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley

by TurdFerguson on Oct 9, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be a showcase of youth

The Rays, obviously, are a young team, and the Dodgers are the team that’s benching Pierre, Jones, Garciaparra, etc. to play Kemp, Dewitt, Ethier, etc.

by mojowo11 on Oct 9, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Red Sox have about as many "young" guys as LA

I would rather see the Rays, just as you said below it’s kind of boring to watch the Bo Sox.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 9, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

proven vets

How can you bash people clamoring for “proven vets” instead of “playing the kids” one minute and then denigrate the Mets’ Maine as “unproven” the next?

by spencegrif on Oct 9, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uhm, the maine point was that the entire Mets rotation was questionable,

and he mentions later that Maine was the better of the pitchers not named glavine. One out of context quote regarding the entire pitching staff doesn’t show a repressed ambivalence: He never even mentioned the youth of Reyes and Wright, simply lumping them in with the other good hitters, regardless of age.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Oct 9, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

josh kalk did a cool piece about hiroki kuroda at the hardball times

he made the case that he’s pretty much been able to seamlessly transition from japan to the US without any significant decline or change in his peripheral stats (i think—don’t quite me on that as i may have missed something).
it was especially helpful because i knew nothing about the guy. in fact, i was still getting him confused with the rays infielder akinori iwamura. if i squint at the words all those vowels and consonants start blending together.
does this make me racist?

by mattybobo on Oct 9, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Dodgers

1) I live in L.A. now

2) Dodgers have great looking uniforms. Similar style as the Cards’. Simple, clean & classy.

3) Vin Scully is the man

4) Seeing Manny lead another team to victory feels like a jab at the Red Sox in my book

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Oct 9, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5) Joe Torre

6) Great Pitching
7) 2nd Best NL franchise of all time
8) THEY SWEPT THE CUBS!

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 9, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillies in 7

“Did I mention that the Dodgers made the playoffs w/ "proven vet” Rafael Furcal on the DL instead of in the lineup?"

so you’re saying that they wouldn’t have wanted Furcal in the lineup all season? their record would probably be 3 or 4 games better imo

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And

They went from proven vet (Nomar) to kids (DeWitt – LaRoche) and then back to proven vet (Blake) at 3B.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 9, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

taht was a good move....

Dewitt moved to 2B where his bat appears to profile a bit better and that allowed Jeff Kent to be benched.

LaRoche looks terrible, so he was definitely not the answer. They got a good 3B with decent pop now.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 9, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

how that move – giving up on a heralded prospect after about 160 ABs and bringing in a 34 year old guy – would have been received around here?

Aaaaaand cue 19 “where will they be 3 years from now?” responses….

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 9, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Yes, I know they didn’t trade LaRoche for Blake.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 9, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except what really happened was the 34 year old displaced the 38 year old.

Meanwhile the slightly more unproven player never had a spot sewn up.

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Oct 9, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does

“slightly more unproven” mean? (not trying to be an ass, just not sure what or who you are talking about…)

Who was the 38 year old who got displaced? Nomar is 34, Blake is 34.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 9, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's best

to have a mixture of still effective proven vets with talented young players

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers

I’m rooting for the Dodgers in this series for the same reason I’ve secretly rooted for the Indians in the American League until this year: Casey Blake.

I played against one of his brothers in high school (Pete), was coached by another one of is brothers (Joe), and had some friends play for his dad in college (Joe Sr.). He’s a class act and toiled for years in the minors to finally get his shot and made the most of it. It shows a lot of dedication on his part because his older brother Ben toiled at the AAA level for years before finally hanging them up.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 9, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I ran against Casey quite a bit in high school

Track wasn’t his best sport obviously, but still fun to see a guy you competed against making it. Go Indianola!

by birdo rojo on Oct 9, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NLCS rotation

With the extra day off between games four and five, the teams could go to a three man rotation. Three starts from Lowe could be a big boost for the Dodgers. Of course, three starts from Hamels would be even bigger for the Phillies.

by adiueordie on Oct 9, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would still require

Lowe and/or Hamels to go on 3 days’ rest in game 4. But Billingsley and Myers could come back on 4 days’ rest for game 5. I think the purpose of MLB’s move, besides to drag the playoffs out a little longer, thus increasing the hype, was to allow teams to use their best starters 3 times more easily. It’ll be interesting to see if either team does this.

by chuckb on Oct 9, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The purpose of MLB's move

You think MLB considered pitching rotations when setting the schedule?

I’m gonna go with these reasons:

1. Fox
2. Fox
3. Fox
4. Fox
5. Fox

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 9, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree, except

won’t an extra matchup of aces bring in more viewers than a Maddux/Blanton matchup? This was just 1 way to do it.

BTW, you forgot reasons 6-8:

6. Fox
7. Fox
8. Fox

by chuckb on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Honestly, if you’re the type of person who even knows who the ace or #2 guy is on a team that’s not “your own,” you’re probably going to be watching the playoffs anyway. I doubt a casual fan is going to be persuaded to watch a game solely because of who is starting, unles it’s someone like Roger Clemens.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mantra for the playoffs from here on out:

Anyone but the Red Sox.

There’s the whole thing about their fans being annoying and stuff, but that’s not really why I care…it’s just that seeing the Red Sox win has become pretty boring.

I’d like to see Dodgers/Rays, mostly because of my distaste for the Phillies.

by mojowo11 on Oct 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: KLaw on WW

In his chat today Keith Law was asked what pitchers he thought could move to the AL and maintain their success and he mentions our very own ADAM on his short list of 4 or 5 players that could pull it off…doesnt mean much, but nice to hear nonetheless…

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum

by nomar34 on Oct 9, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This just in

Wainwright’s a stud. He is underappreciated (slightly, maybe) around baseball, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him put up a top-5 Cy Young finish in the next year or two.

by chuckb on Oct 9, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way off topic

but if anyone’s bored, this is a very interesting article about mathematics and genetics, etc: http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/10/how_we_evolve_1.php

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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