Who do you want Managing the All Star game in St Louis?
by StLHugo
on Oct 8, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
I think one of the most important questions to answer right now is who do we want to be managing the All Star game next year?
I am not entirely sure how the All Star game manager is decided if the current manager of a team leaves that team or league so I am assuming the WS managers will be returning to their respective clubs.
To you who presents the best option? Who should get to manager the NL on our turf?
Torre or Manuel?
Who would you rather see manage the AL?
Francona or Maddon?
Take a vote!
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Is it wrong that I'm far more excited about the Future's Game
than I am about the All-Star Game.
by azruavatar on Oct 8, 2008 9:16 AM EDT 0 recs
Well that depends
If Rasmus starts the season in the majors and makes the all star team then I will be more excited about that, otherwise I think I would rather see the Futures game.
by StLHugo on
Oct 8, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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I look forward to getting to see Wallace in the futures game
I too am more excited about the Futures game. Of course I have a fighting chance of getting tickets to the Futures Game.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Oct 8, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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I'd like to see Torre come back...
I think he’d get a warm welcome in STL…I like Maddon, and there’s NO way I want to see the Sox in the series…GO RAYS!!!
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 AM EDT 0 recs
I really don't care who the American League manager woud be
but I definitely would like to see Joe Torre coach the National League.
But, i do have one question. Why is Joe Maddon continuously referred to on this blog a young? I’ll give you ‘up and comer" buy he’s not young. He’s 54 years old. That’s 10 years older than Ozzie Guillen, 5 years older than Terry Francona, 11 years older than Joe Girardi, 14 years older than Eric Wedge, 9 years older than Trey Hillman, 4 years older than Ron Gardenhire, 5 years older than Mike Scioscia, 7 years older than Bob Geren, 10 years older than Fredi Gonzalez, 15 years older than Manny Acta, 7 years older than John Russell, 8 years older than Bob Melvin, 3 years older than Clint Hurdle, 3 years older than Bud Black, and 1 year older than Bruce Bochy.
Is Bruce Bochy young too? That’s 15 guys he’s older than (some considerably) and I’m not even counting Dale Sveum (because I don’t know if he’ll be the Brewers manager next year) and the vacant Seattle Mariners position which has a good chance of being younger than Joe Maddon as well. Including those two teams, that’s 17 teams out of 30 who have younger managers than Joe Maddon and most of those are much younger than him.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on Oct 8, 2008 3:23 PM EDT 0 recs
yeah, maybe young is the wrong word
“up and coming” is fair, though, at least so far as being the actual manager and not a bench coach or something. unless i’m incorrect, the rays are his first actual managing job.
even if that’s not true, he’s definitely a breath of fresh air, with his non-traditional outlook. he apparently has the attitude and enthusiasm of youth as well, which has been credited with keeping the rays “loose”. this is all just stuff i’ve read, i haven’t had to opportunity to follow the rays uber-closely all year or something.
by mattybobo on
Oct 8, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've head the same things about him
but I don’t necessarily understand why. Is it because there’s a lot of young players on the team? Well what’s he supposed to play? It’s the Rays for crying out loud. Is it becuase they’re good? Well, the players they have are pretty darn talented due to so many high draft picks that were done in a way as to pick the players with the highest upside. They really didn’t have anything to lose, so that was easy to do, right?
I like him, I just don’t understand all the labels.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on
Oct 8, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Except it's not that easy to do.
The Pirates have had a large number of high draft picks for years. They have close to nothing to show for it. .
What the Rays did was have a long term plan and stick to it. And it all started with drafting the best player available and DEVELOPING them. They also suffered through the rough seasons while the players transitioned to the big leagues. They have virtually the same starting staff this year as last year-Kazmir and Shields were pretty good last year. Jackson, Sonnanstine-they were pretty bad. They learned something from that bad season. Maddon gets credit because he understood there would be some struggles before they firgured it out. They got rid of the players that didn’t fit-Young and Dukes- and stuck with the players they thought would improve, and more importantly, the ones they thought they could win with. It was smart all around by the whole organization. Most of them grew up together with the Rays. They now have something that will be good for years to come.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Oct 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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right--obviously the rays haven't been burdened with any "win now temptations"
they’ve stuck to the long term plan and now it’s reaping big time. apparently maddon has been very much on board with this outlook and has been the perfect guy for the job; he’s committed to the group and going to have the patience and ability to handle the developing players in a way that puts that development first. now they have finally gotten to the point where they’re a fearsome ball club, and there’s still room for improvement.
further, maddon also has the reputation of actively disregarding traditional managing styles and tactics when they don’t seem logical to him. a big example that has been cited a lot recently was his willingness to call the intentional walk even with the bases loaded. in certain situations he’ll actually be willing to spot the other team a free run if logic tells him it’s worth it. he’s said that he’s always simply looking for the best way to win, period, and conventional wisdom be damned.
by mattybobo on
Oct 9, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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And Maddon wears the coolest glasses too....
He just might be the smartest guy in the room……
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on
Oct 11, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
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They have done very well with the guys that they drafted
But their record isn’t spotless either. They seem to have swindled the Twins on the Young/Garza trade, but it looks to me like they got swindled on the Dukes trade, since Glenn Gibson doesn’t look to amount to much at all. I realize that it was a trade in which they simply wanted to get rid of a misfit, but they certainly could have use 81 games of Dukes’ 126 OPS+ in RF this season. I still think that Delmon Young is going to be a good player, but probably not the type of player everyone thought he was going to be early in his career.
They seem to have a problem with getting players with great talent and personal issues (Young, Dukes, Josh Hamilton) which makes me wonder if they don’t have a good support system for these young players like some of the other clubs with successful minor league systems do.
You’re comparing them to the Pirates? You mean the team that trades away all of their really good players to rivals in the division and then wonders why they can’t win? The Rays have signed or acquired other players as well, the Pirates have done nothing of the sort. Name the last big name free agent that Pittsburgh even went after? There really isn’t one over the last 10 years or so. The Rays probably would have been a lot better baseball team sooner if they played in the NL Central instead of the AL East as well.
I don’t think that the Pirates are a team to compare with when talking about developing talent. There are plenty of other teams that develop talent well and just don’t pay to hold onto it, like Oakland, Minnesota, and Kansas City. The hard part is getting all of those players to develop and hit the big leagues at the same time while still have some of them cost-controlled. This is what the Rays seem to be good at, or at least have lucked into. For instance, imagine how good KC would have been had they been able to keep these players on the same team through the middle of this decade:
Carlos Beltran
Johnny Damon
Jermaine Dye
Mike Sweeney
That’s a pretty decent lineup of homegrown players, much better than what a lot of clubs have developed.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on
Oct 13, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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I don't think they care too much about getting swindles on the Dukes trade
I think it is definitely a case of Dukes not being worth it no matter his talent level. Maybe one day he will grow up and not be a headache anymore, I don’t think the Rays have any complaints. Is it just a coincidence that they Nats got even worse once Dukes came over?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on
Oct 13, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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style maybe
I think it is more his style is fresh and new, thus “young”
That should teach me to repeat things I hear on ESPN
by StLHugo on
Oct 9, 2008 8:33 AM EDT
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oh and he has those hip weezer glasses
he’s a wine aficionado and has used a computer for years to organize his managing.
this is actually all true.
by mattybobo on
Oct 9, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Torre
although it would be odd to seem him managing them home team in stl again.
The al mgr i don’t care about, but i would rather see maddon than that guy from the sawks
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
by elirock83 on Oct 9, 2008 12:47 PM EDT 0 recs
I want Manuel.
Lots of reasons-he’s been around the game for years. He is beloved everywhere he’s been.
I noticed something at last night’s game too. He was sitting on the bench in the dugout, right next to his players. During the game. He was not off to the side surrounded by coaches. He was sitting with his players. To me that says “Players Manager.” It ’d be nice if that good time Charlie came out on top…..
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Oct 11, 2008 10:19 AM EDT 0 recs
I think the correct answer is:
by meat on Oct 13, 2008 1:17 PM EDT 0 recs
hey-o!
oh man. possibly my favorite fire joe morgan rant of all time covered that very topic (ie the ludicrosity of not batting pujols for rowand with the game on the line). from their july 07 archive page:
“Albert Pujols is either the best hitter in baseball or he’s damn close. He has 266 career HR and he’s played in a total of like 65 baseball games. He has a .418 career OBP. And a walk, mind you, ties the game. He is 12 feet tall, and each of his lats weighs 80 pounds. His bat is 60 inches long and is made of Bigfoot’s spine. He is a monstrous monster who eats sliders. Not balls that were used to throw sliders, mind you — he has figured out a way to eat the concept of sliders. The dude hits with a closed stance only because Marty Barrett bet him he couldn’t hit with a closed stance like Barrett did and still win the MVP and Pujols did it just to stave off the boredom that had come from solving baseball. He once hit a home run on a hit-by-pitch. He has more hits left-handed than anyone in baseball history has right-handed — and he is right handed. He completed an MD-PhD at Hopkins in one hour and gave a graduation address (in Greek), and he had to miss a game against the Pirates in 2003, and he still went 2-4 with a double. The home run he hit off Lidge in the NLCS….just now landed, in Banff. He is awesome.”
by mattybobo on
Oct 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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that's a good one
I’m partial to this one, in which Nelly > Skip Bayless. Not that difficult to do, but:
“Nelly (primary jobs: Rapping, acting)- Knows the Cardinals ERA, doesn’t specifically mention Pythag, but I’d like to think that’s what he was referring to when he says the Cards are overachieving.
Skip (primary job: sportswriter)- Can’t do anything specifically on paper, attributes the Cardinals success to "something” going on there."
VEB does good work.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on
Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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