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Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mozeliak, Part Deux

Enclosed you will find Johnny's final grades for the term. I just want to say, once again, what a tremendous pleasure it has been having him in class this year. You will recall, back at the midpoint of the term, I sent along Johnny's grades, along with notes for possible areas of improvement. I have endeavoured to provide you with a similar report at this point, in the hopes that we can work together to further your son's development.

There are, of course, opportunities for improvement. I have done what I can to identify said areas, and I trust that you will take any and all steps necessary to see that these areas are given the appropriate attention. Remember, a symbiotic relationship between the institutional and the home is of paramount import when a child's future is in question.

All in all, it has been a productive and exhilarating year for me, and I hope for the students as well. As always, if you have any questions, concerns, or just wish to check in on some bit of minutiae in the progress that John has made, I encourage you to contact me at any time. Until such time as we speak again, I remain,

                   Sincerely Yours,

                   Dr. Reginald Ecthelion Dante "Red" Barontonoviel

P.S.- Overall, John's conduct this year was exceptional: however, I would request you please ask him to stop forcing everyone to call him 'Mr. Mo'.

 

Star-divide

You may all recall I took a look at the job that John Mozeliak did in his first offseason as the Cardinals' General Manager. Well, now that the first actual baseball season of Mo's regime has been completed, I thought it would be a good time to look back at the moves Mr. Mozeliak made, as well as those he didn't make. After all, it's all well and good to grade job performance sans results, but in the end, the results are what really matter. So how did Mr. Mo do?

I thought we would just go right through the same list that I used before, and see if the grades look any different now, as compared to the January edition of the Cardinals.

Organisational Direction

When Mozeliak took over the Cardinal front office, there was turmoil everywhere. He quickly moved to establish at least a semblance of order, of continuity, of just flat out order. At the very least, the work Mo did to try and unite the Cards' house divided was one of the real bright spots of the early part of the offseason.

Now, though, we hear once again of problems within the team's management structure. It no longer seems that Mozeliak and La Russa, his on field manager, are quite on the same page. Of course, it's impossible to pin the blame one place or another; there is such a thing as positive tension, and the conflict between uniformed personnel and the front office types may just be one of those cases. One way or the other, though, you still have to wonder whether or not the harmony that Mozeliak worked so hard to establish will prove to be lasting or not.

Overall Grade: B

Organisational Hiring

All right. I'm going to level with you guys. I honestly don't have much of an idea how these things worked out. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure I would be able to tell if an assistant GM were doing a good job or not. So I'm just going to cop right out on this one and say that hey, all the new Cardinal hires are sailing right along, doing whatever it is they're supposed to be doing.

With one notable exception. The one and only person on this list that I do think has done a great job this year is Brent Strom, the Cards' new pitching coordinator. I was impressed early on with the resume that Strom brought to the position, and I've become more and more impressed with all that I've seen from Strom as the year has gone on. From his preseason mini camps for the Cards' top prospects to the whole 'classic mechanics' paradigm that is just beginning to take root in the organisation, I think Strom is one of the brightest, and most intriguing, minds I've come across in a long time in the game. Fantastic hire.

Overall grade: A

On Field Moves

Resigning Joel Pineiro

Oy. This one isn't looking so good, is it? Score one for the 'regress to the mean' crowd. Still, the circumstances here were less than ideal, with lots of uncertainty and funky timing. Regardless, you can't escape the fact that, based on a handful of starts not at all in line with the direction Joel was heading, the Cardinals handed a two year deal to a pitcher who put up an ERA over 5.00 this year. Boooo.

Grade: D

Picking up Izzy's Option

Now this is interesting. What we ended up with was a player who badly damaged the team's chance to win this season, yet it's tough to really say that anyone should have seen it coming. In the end, I still think that picking up the option on Isringhausen was the right move, even though it didn't end up working out so well.

Bitter irony department: and I quote, "What .500 team (or worse), team really needs an $8 million closer?" Well, as it turns out, if the Cardinals' had had a competent closing corps, they wouldn't have been nearly as close to .500 as they ended up. Sigh.

Grade: B+

Declining to offer Eckstein arbitration/ signing Cesar Izturis

It's funny how things work out sometimes, isn't it? Back in January, I really didn't like this move. I thought that offering Eck arbitration was a no brainer, especially considering who the Cards ended up getting to replace him.

In this case, Izturis actually turned out to be a slightly better signing than I had expected. And yes, I say that with full knowledge that he was a truly awful offensive player this year. However, his defense was a significant upgrade over Eckstein, and the improved middle infield defense had a lot to do with the success that the Cardinal starters were able to enjoy this season. Eckstein didn't exactly tear it up north of the border, nor, to be honest, once he got to Arizona either. I'm actually grading up on this one. Don't get me wrong, I don't really want to see Cesar back in a Cardinal uniform next season, but he actually wasn't as big of a disaster as I had feared. Most of what I thought back then does, in fact, still ring fairly true, but at least we got one plus tool, a glove, out of the deal.

Grade: C+

Trading Jim Edmonds for David Freese

Wow. Um, well, this wasn't too bad, huh? Yes, it was very, very difficult to watch Jimmy Baseball play some good ball in a Cubs' uni, but I think we all see just how necessary it was to move him. Do we see the breakout of Ryan Ludwick this year if Edmonds is still around taking at bats? What about Ankiel? The Cards needed opportunity in the outfield, and that's just what they got. Plus, David Freese was a legitimate contender for the organisational Player of the Year award, proving himself a legit prospect even though he's a little old. Fantastic deal all around.

Grade: A

Signing Matt Clement

Sigh. Was it terrible to bring Clement in? No. He was a higher upside arm than some of the other guys out there on the cheap. In the end, though, Clement never threw a pitch for the Cardinals, and was released during the season when it became clear his stuff just wasn't coming back. A justifiable risk, but I think it's fair to wonder whether the Cards should have seen it coming a bit more than they seemed to.

Grade: D

Signing Jason LaRue

I said then that LaRue is a backup catcher and, as such, represents a ridiculously unimportant move. Well, that was before I got a look at the awesomeness that is the Jason LaRue lifestyle. The hair. The 'stache. You just can't get that kind of greatness very often.

In all seriousness, LaRue was quite good as a backup this season. He hit a little better than I thought, and he did a nice job behind the plate. Another good signing.

Grade: B

The Aaron Miles Saga

I have no idea how I feel about this one, honestly. I was happy when the Cards let Miles go, then ticked off when they brought him back. Then he goes out and has a fairly productive year. It wasn't the worst move, as Brendan Ryan certainly bombed, but I still don't see that Miles is really that vital a part of the team. But such is the state of the St. Louis middle infield. It's all just plain blah.

Grade: C+

Releasing So Taguchi

Absolutely the right move. See the Jim Edmonds situation for additional details on the OF crunch.

Grade: A

Scotty Ro for Troy Glaus

This. Was. Awesome. While Rolen continued to have shoulder troubles later in the year as he wore down again, Glaus was everything the Cardinals expected, and more. His defense was far better than I had been expecting, and his bat was right about as advertised. There was that odd little power outage to begin the year, but sometimes things like that just happen. Add to that that he had not a whiff of the foot troubles that helped to depress his stock in the first place, and this one is a slam dunk.

Grade: A

Picking up Brian Barton in the Rule 5

Once again, a move that worked out quite well. Was it frustrating watching Barton play less than a lot of us here felt he should? Absolutely. However, this is a Mozeliak report card, and he doesn't fill out the lineup card.

Barton proved himself capable with the bat, exciting on the bases (though I wish he had been given the green light a bit more often), and just fine in the outfield. I think the arm concerns in ST turned out to be largely overblown. In the end, the Cards added a player with the tools to be at least a platoon outfielder for basically nothing. Not a bad day's work.

Grade: A

Newer moves

These are moves that hadn't happened yet when I did this before. Pretty self explanatory, yes?

Kyle Lohse

The signing of Kyle Lohse just may have been the turning point of the season. Up until then, there was a palpable sense of foreboding hanging over the Cards' season before it even started. The rotation looked to be a mess, and the offense had been positively offensive in the spring. When Joel Pineiro went down with a groin strain and looked to miss the first couple weeks of the season, it looked as if 2008 was going to be a miserable repeat of 2007.

And then came Kyle.

One of the big name free agent pitchers of the offseason, Lohse had found himself sitting home in mid spring training, waiting to see if any team needed his services when the Cardinals came calling. He signed a one year, $4.25 million deal, and the rest, as they say, is history. Mo gets a ton of credit here for acting quickly and decisively to bring in help for the rotation in order to keep his team from starting in an even deeper hole. Face it; George Peppard couldn't have brought a deal together any better than this.

Note: I'm only considering the one year deal and Lohse's performance this year here. The contract he just signed is part of this offseason in my opinion, and I'm only interested in things that affected the 2008 season. The extension is a separate issue.

Grade: A

Trading Anthony Reyes for Luis Perdomo

Let's face it: Mo did the best he could to try and make it work for Anthony here. Unfortunately, when things get to a certain point of broken, it just ain't gonna happen. Such was the situation with Reyes and the Cards. I admired how Mo stepped in at the end of ST and kept Anthony on the team, going against La Russa and Duncan to do so. That shows real leadership. Unfortunately, in the end, the Cards still ended up dealing one of their former top prospects for a Double A reliever. Perdomo could end up being decent, but even so, it's a poor reflection on the organisation the way this whole thing worked out. Mozeliak did probably as good a job as could be expected, all things considered.

Grade: C

The Deadline (Non) Moves

Now, this one is quite likely to create some real controversy. There was quite a lot of angst at the time, mostly from a certain segment of fans, over Mo's failure to get anything done at the deadline to improve the team, particularly the bullpen. Easy to see why, when you consider that the 'pen is probably the single biggest reason the Cardinals' players are making tee times right now, rather than still playing baseball.

On the other side, the manager was clamouring for an impact bat, though where that bat was going to play is still a bit of mystery to me, to be completely honest. La Russa went so far as to question the team's commitment to winning in the press, at least in an indirect, passive aggressive sort of way. Add in all the rumours flying around about Matt Holliday and his Coors Field Park Factor Power being on the block, and you have a pretty tough situation to navigate.

And in the middle of all this, you had Mo, the first year GM, trying not to pull a Jack, as in And the Beanstalk. The Rockies apparently wanted two top prospects for lefty reliever Brian Fuentes, and Fuentes now reportedly wants something in the range of 3/$37 for the pleasure of his company. You look around the league, and virtually none of the players rumoured to be on the move ended up going anywhere. To me, that speaks of a trade market that got out of hand, big time.

Really, the only guy that I wish the Cards could have gotten their hands on was Damaso Marte, the lefty reliever from the Pirates. He ended up going to the Yankees along with Xavier Nady in a deal that probably didn't add up all that well from the Pittsburgh side of the ledger. Of course, Marte then got hurt, so there is that to consider, and the asking price for a divisional rival may very well have been steeper, so I can't really throw much of a fit here, either.

After the smoke cleared, the Cardinals were the team they were before the deadline. And, on balance, I think that was probably the best result we could have hoped for. Was it frustrating to watch the team fall out of contention down the stretch and wonder what might have been? Yes. But the price that likely would have been paid to upgrade the team in any meaningful way would have been steep indeed; probably much steeper than made sense for this team. Sometime you just have to bite the bullet and take the punch. I think it was absolutely the right (non) move to make. Were there some other creative deals that might have been put together? Maybe, which is why I can't give an unequivocal A here. Still, this was for the best, all things considered.

Grade: B+

Signing Felipe Lopez

Yes, I'm aware of all the reasons why Floppy is a bad bet going forward. I've made all those arguments myself, hoping to stave off the (likely) inevitable contract he's going to get. Unsustainable BABIP, terrible defense, and all that.

Yet I'm going to give Mo a decent grade on bringing in Lopez here. Sustainable or not, Lopez has more athleticism, offensively at least, than any of the other middle infielders the Cards have on the roster. Using him in the outfield is an awful idea, but again, Mo doesn't fill out the lineup cards. I don't want to see Lopez back next year, not even as a backup, to be honest, but bringing him in was a low risk move with just enough possible payoff to make it worthwhile.

Grade: B-

Leaving Colby at home

Ah, the final piece of the puzzle. This one's really going to get everyone up in arms, and rightly so. Depending on where you stand, this is either a bullshit point that the anti- La Russa faction brings up to try and knock down your hero, or this is a monumental failure by a franchise to leverage one of its most valuable assets, instead preferring to play utility infielders in center field during a pennant race. As usual, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I was not at all happy that Rasmus didn't get the call, to be honest with you. I think it would have been a fantastic opportunity to get the kid into the clubhouse, and allow him to begin the process of getting acclimated to the majors, if only a little bit. And when you're running Adam Kennedy out into right field on a daily basis, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. If nothing else, we know that Colby plays an excellent defensive center field, so even if he didn't hit, he would have been adding to the team.

Then again, he was hurt, and I'm sure there were concerns that he wasn't ready to be trying to play at a high level so soon. There was thought that he would play winter ball, and he didn't tear up Triple A, and he's only 21, and he hasn't earned it, and yadda, yadda, yadda. Can you tell by my tone where I'm coming down on this one?

In the end, I think this one was a judgement call. You could certainly make an argument for either side, and I can see both points of view. Still, I wish Colby had gotten the call. Even if he hadn't played a lick, I think it would have been good for him to get here, get a look at the stadium, see the crowds, taste the dream. What better way to keep a guy's spirits up and keep him motivated than to give him a taste of what he's been working for all along? We should all remember that Colby is most likely going to be a huge part of this franchise's future for quite a while. At the very least, getting him to St. Louis for the learning experience alone would have been worth it. I think the organisation really missed a chance here.

Grade: D

Final Adjusted Grade: B+

I know we were all frustrated by the way the season ended. It got very, very ugly there at the end, and it left a bad taste in our collective mouths. Still, I think it's important to remember just how bad a lot of us thought this team would be. What we ended up with was an exciting, hungry bunch of players for most of the year that stayed in the race until very nearly the end. The farm system is intact, as Mozeliak managed to avoid getting overly anxious and jumping into a bad deal because the team was fairly close. We have a pretty good idea of what we have going forward with most of the players that needed to get a look. And most of all, with a whole boat load of money finally coming off the books this offseason, the Cardinals have some real flexibility. Let's hope they don't squander it all on magic beans.

Good job, Mr. Mo. All in all, I think you acquitted yourself quite admirably. I'll just bet you get that ten speed you were hoping for in the offseason.

 

 

 

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good stuff

i agree with almost everything except reyes. imho we should have moved him last offseason when his value was still decent. there was quite of a bit of talk about him then. we still wouldn’t have been able to get a lot for him but probably more than we did.

i think looking at the problems he had with this organization to that point Mo should have maybe realized that there was no reconciliation or success to be had.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Oct 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

small quibble

You seem to let Mo off the hook for his non-action during the season because “virtually none of the players rumoured to be on the move ended up going anywhere.”

Um…

Sabathia
Harden
Manny
Dunn
Griffey
Marte
Nady
Bay
Texiera
Maddux
Wolf
Blanton
Rauch

to name a few…

Obviously it’s all opinion and sepculation, and we don’t really know what the asking price was for any players the Cardinals inquired about. But I don’t think you can let Mo off the hook so easily.

One thing I found disturbing was Mo’s admission, in a PD article I think, that the team was “fixated” on Fuentes to the point where other activty was “put on the back burner” and consequently, did not come to fruitiion. Sounds like a new-GM mistake to me.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 8, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, how about this?

Very few of the players the Cardinals were rumoured to be interested in ended up going anywhere. Better?

I understand what you’re saying, but guys like Manny and Griffey and Teixera just weren’t any kind of fit for the Cardinals, so I’m not sure that bringing them up serves much of a purpose.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Oct 8, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's clearer

yeah, I’ll buy that. I’m with you that they should have been in on Marte. Rauch wasn’t awesome with AZ, but he should have been a target, IMO. And what about Affeldt of Cincy? I can’t believe he didn’t go anywhere.

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 8, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I was shocked that Affeldt didn’t move at some point. Personally, I hope he’s a target this winter. Rausch, I’m kind of meh on.

But yeah, I should have been a little clearer. The guys that made sense mostly stayed put.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Oct 8, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rauch wasn't awesome is like saying he's kinda tall

6.56 ERA, gave up 6 bombs in 22 innings

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 8, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off topic

If you haven’t checked FJM.com today. It’s another good one. They rip an article by some schmuck who voted for Ryan Howard for MVP.

by Carps on Oct 8, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fantastic

the one thing i wish they would have mentioned was albert’s numbers during september.

AB – 84
HR – 8
RBI – 27
BB – 17
SO – 7
321/427/702

compared to howard’s:

AB – 88
HR – 11
RBI – 32
BB – 12
SO – 21
352/422/852

almost every argument i see for howard for mvp says its because of his amazing september. they are better not that much and definitely not enough to make up for albert outshining him the majority of the year.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Oct 8, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. add the face that pujols was pretty much that good the rest of the year

less slugging, more on avg/on-base. i believe howard had two months with OPS in the 700’s. i also love this quote from the klapisch article about howard: “He finished the season with a mediocre .251 average, but otherwise led the majors with 48 HR and 146 RBI.”
because, you know, average, home runs, and rbi are the only hitting stats. that’s all there is.
does klapisch have an actual MVP vote? if he does i’ll cry.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clement signing was only a D?

I’d say that was the one that deserved a failing grade in my book.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Oct 8, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

$1.5M

http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=881

not crippling, by any means, but if the contract was given without seeing him pitch, it was an awful deal.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

without seeing him pitch

That part was more troubling than the money.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, that looks pretty negative, doesn't it?

Sorry for posting before having coffee this morning. Great post!

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Oct 8, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was worth the risk

clement had at one time some pretty decent stuff, to say the least. but yeah, in the end it was an F, but you have to take risks sometimes

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 8, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Clement?

I had forgotten that he was ever part of the 2008 picture… I’ve wondered several times about this signing. Why did they give him a contract and declare him ready by opening day without even seeing him throw a pitch? If I remember correctly, Dave Duncan knew upon first sight in spring training that Clement wasn’t ready. I can’t really recall a time when I was offered a position without my skills being evaluated.

by AndyB83 on Oct 8, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great stuff

agree with Hal- think you were too generous in the trade deadline section grade. He needed to make a move, any move, to show that they had confidence in the team, and he didn’t; that was frustrating to the team and led to a lot of the second half struggles, imo. We should have at least made the cubs pay more for Harden than they did.

I definitely agree that it would have been nice to pick up damaso marte, especially since he’s a type A, but it’s hard to tell how expensive he would have been in terms of talent. I missed that he got hurt- when did that happen?

I think you were grading from the heart a bit much in the rasmus section, but I understand the sentiment. OTOH, no section for September callups (or lack thereof) for the guys not named rasmus? That was one of the most frustrating bits of the season. D-

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't get this whole

“Let’s make a move just for the sake of making a move” stuff. How does that show confidence in the team?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

If anything, desperately making a move for no particular reason and acquiring a guy who will cut into the current players’ playing time shows a lack of confidence, if you ask me.

by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

showing a lack of confidence in randy flores

or ron villone, is a good thing. By not making the team better, they sent the wrong message.

I guarantee that albert and luddy and glaus etc – the core of the team – care more about winning than they do about how much playing time randy flores gets.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1. if anything, couldn't standing pat show more confidence in the team?

i mean, i realize this is a matter of opinion, but i think it’s at least arguable that not making a move could be saying “i believe in this team already, we don’t need to import somebody to save our season.” i understand the opposing argument to this—help out the team in the wake of our division rivals improving, try to keep up, etc.
mostly i think making a move just to make a move would placate la russa, who didn’t even really want to make the right kind of move anyway. an impact bat in the outfield wouldn’t have made much sense at the time, and it just wasn’t in the cards with regards to middle infield, which was where we really needed to upgrade offensively. the GM should not be so swayed by what the manager wants; he needs to assert his authority and judgment when it comes to this sort of thing, that’s his job.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the offense was fine, MI included.

Could have been better, obviously, but when offense and defense in the MI was combined we were almost exactly league average there.

We needed bullpen help. We didn’t get it. The players and manager knew we needed it and when we didn’t get it the message they received certainly wasn’t “we believe in you”.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hm. maybe my memory places too much emphasis on the "impact bat" canard.

did he and/or duncan lobby for bullpen help? obviously MO was looking, i just can’t remember if the coaches made it clear that they were hoping to improve there or not.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This was reflected in some of the player interviews. Sorry, I can’t remember which specifically.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

I don’t think the Rasmus non-call was as much of a mistake as the Barden non-call. I think it would have served the team well to have seen what he can do at SS and 2B. I know he went to the O-games, but he was back in plenty of time to see some big-league action. Considering Glaus missed more than a week in Sept. it would have been nice to let Freese see some big-league pitching, too.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

barden was there

la russa barely played him. not mozeliak’s fault.

also, la russa wouldn’t have played freese either, so it probably wouldn’t have mattered whether he was called up or not.

by adiueordie on Oct 8, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

In the back of my mind I was thinking Barden was there. He only had 9 AB’s, so he didn’t show up on the first page when I looked at the team stats to see if he had any…DOH!!!

You’re probably right about Freese…TLR can be so aggrevating at times with his use/lack of use of players.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. why would tony have played freese to back up glaus?

i mean, he had miles, izturis, and lopez available. can’t go wrong with 3 MI’s in the same lineup.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

especially when freese’s numbers were almost identical to Glaus, except with a higher BA

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Politte

One person I see missing from many of the pitching discussions is Cliff Politte.

Didn’t we sign him for $1 million or so (I’m honestly not sure)? Wasn’t he as big of a miss as Matt Clement?

It’s not a big deal, but everyone seems to be focused on Clement and ignoring Politte.

by thepainguy on Oct 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, time to fess up.

I forgot Cliff Politte was even in spring training. My bad. I thought that was a non roster invite, though.

Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.

by the red baron on Oct 8, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems to be a habit

leaving people off Mr. Mo’s report card. Here’s one of your responses last time.

Phelps/ Jimenez
I don’t expect Josh Phelps to see the majors this year unless something goes seriously wrong, and Jimenez has been pushed almost completely off the depth chart by the return of Aaron Miles. As such, I don’t see either move as having much, if any impact, and thus felt okay about ignoring them.

Seriously, this thing wasn’t long enough?
(please, somebody say it, so I don’t have to.)

Now your signing the report cards Dr. Reginald Ecthelion Dante “Red” Barontonoviel instead of
Dr. Theodore E. “Red” Baron. OK I’ll say it, brevity is not your strong suit.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Oct 8, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politte

I only care because I’m not a fan of Politte’s mechanics (Inverted L) and thought he was a bad sign due to his poor mechanics and history of shoulder problems.

It turns out Politte signed a contingent deal where he would make $600,000 only if he made the big league club.

So call it an “A” for Mo for signing Politte to the right kind of deal. I didn’t give Mo an A+ due to the waste of time factor.

by thepainguy on Oct 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

on the whole “leave Colby at home” thing.

I will say that I respectfully disagree with you RB. Colby got a HORRIFIC start to the year, began to heat up a little bit, then got hurt. He still wasn’t 100% when September came around.

Add that to the fact that we would have started his arbitration clock this year instead of next, and the reward just isn’t there. Colby by himself would not have won us the wildcard.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 8, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the reward may be there

The idea isn’t so much that he’s going to push us over the top, it’s that it gets the first-time jitters out of the way and at least begins the acclimation process, which would make it easier for Raz to hit the ground running in 09.

“First-time jitters” sounds sexual, doesn’t it?

by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colby's knee definitely needs some sexual healing.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 8, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to be confident that he'll be, um, ready next year

Sometimes people are just too nervous the first time to…perform.

by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are little blue pills for that. most doctors hand them out like candy.

by sbentley on Oct 8, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Threadjack alert.

What if the Cardinals bought the Cubs? They are looking for a buyer, and we could turn that rathole of a stadium into our AAA affiliate. They are a profitable franchise, and I would pay admission to watch all the Cubs fans take a long walk of a short Navy Pier.

We can trade DLee, Soriano, Ramirez, and Howry. We can make our rotation out of Harden, Carp, Wainwright, Zambrano, and Dempster. Lilly can be our lefty out of the pen. Wood can close and Perez, Motte, and Marmol can set up. Other than that, we can keep our lineup.

The funny thing is that even with the two teams COMBINED, we would still have a crappy middle infield.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 8, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa and trade

DeRosa hits well enough for a 2B and I would guess trading DLee, Soriano, and A-Ram could bring back a worthy SS.

by djsmokyc on Oct 8, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is brilliant

If corporations and banks can merge, why not ballclubs? Just as long as the word “Cubs” isn’t ever found on an piece of official merchandise ever again…

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Oct 8, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs fans are selling their loyalty on eBay

so why not just sell the entire team?

Seriously though a guy is selling his loyalty in the Cubs on eBay, it is going for over $500 last I heard (read about it on Chicago Tribune website) and he promises to give the money to charity, burn all his Cubs stuff and buy stuff for the team the winner chooses (say hello new Cards fan ;))

by StLHugo on Oct 8, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is so awesome.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 8, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should pull our money together

and make this guy a cards fan.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, for one,

don’t want his portion of the curse anywhere near the Cardinals.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 8, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question

Do the Redbirds have cleansing powers?
….wait. The Cubs may be too far gone. Hmmm.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not worth tempting the GOB

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see:

Brock, Lou ;-)
Sutter, Bruce
Smith, Lee…

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 9, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love life.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see

Shortstop with 2008 OBP of around .400
2b with a 2008 OPS of .857.

Yeah, that would suck.

I’m really curious to see how Theriot bats next year. He certainly had a good 2008.

by sdrone on Oct 8, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a dream last night

that the Rangers traded Kinsler to the Cards. It was awesome. Then I woke up… :(

by launchshuttle on Oct 8, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember that time in die hard,

where you had to walk across the broken glass in your bare feet….?

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 9, 2008 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a tough one...

On one hand between “the Colonel,” “Welley,” and “Toddallion” we get a whole range of nicknames in one quirky-cool pitcher.
On the other we have a man who has lived the dream of smacking around Michael Barrett.

by random on Oct 8, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

after I was through laughing

I thought, wait’ll BCB gets a load of this.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crappy middle infield?

I think between Theriot, DeRosa, Fontenot, and Kennedy (are those the three signed through next year?) we could find enough pop and defense.

Also, I think Ramirez sticks around as your 3B and Glaus as your 3B/1B off of the bench.

Soriano can probably play one of the OF spots.

C – Molina and Soto
1B – Pujols
2B – DeRosa/Fontenot
SS – Theriot
3B – Glaus/Ramirez
LF – Soriano
CF – Ankiel/Schumaker
RF – Ludwick/Mather/Hoffpaiur (theirs)

SP – Waino, Harden, Dempster, Zambrano, Lohse, Lilly, Welley (with those 7, you would need 6 or 7 for sure. Harden or Welley wouldn’t be able to go all year.)
CP – Wood
SU – Motte/Perez/Marmol
Other RP – McClellan/Springer/Franklin/Wuertz/Hill/Cotts/Samardzija

I think some combination of all those pitchers would work. :)

by stlfan on Oct 8, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dempster is coming back down to reality next season

you heard it here first.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we quote you on that?

FWIW, I think you are right.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 8, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can quote me

i think he is this years Adrian Beltre

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 9, 2008 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you might be right too...

but he could still be better than Lohse, Lilly, or Welley…

by stlfan on Oct 8, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brent Strom

I’m impressed, too, RB, with the thinking behind the Brent Strom hire and what the organization hopes he can accomplish with young pitchers.

With the death earlier this year of Dave Ricketts and now George Kissell, I wonder whether the term “the Cardinal Way” will continue to mean so much. Maybe Strom won’t contribute anything that could be considered part of that tradition, whose definition is probably somewhat nebulous anyway. But it certainly seems smart to take a good early look at a young pitcher’s mechanics, and to help provide him with a sound approach to his craft.

by Youneverknow on Oct 8, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Agree with everything except Miles. I thought Aaron was very good this season, filled in gaps adequately and along with Skip provided some much needed consistency to a line up that was rarely balanced

by riotmute on Oct 8, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was good this season...about 25 OPS+ better than what he always HAS been

Baseball is like poker, you can’t be results oriented in your thinking….did Super Mario work out? Yes he did. Was it probably or even likely? No.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude. terrible example.

super mario bros. was bound to be a success. it was about as big a no-doubter as i can imagine. bob hoskins, john leguizamo, and dennis hopper, from the directors of max headroom??? i’m surprised it didn’t win any oscars that year, honestly.
wait…
nevermind.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

that movie was a huge pile of dung.

by adiueordie on Oct 8, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah it was

and yet it has a few wacky charms that have always endeared it to me. every once in a while i’ll just think “sir, the goombas are dancing again” and it’ll make me chuckle.

by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post RB!

I found myself agreeing with you on almost every grade. One thing where I disagreed though was that the bullpen was by far the most glaring weakness… I’d say the injuries were just as big a factor in our failure to make the playoffs; I don’t know what kind of effect Moz could have over that, but I’d like to see some kind of changes after watching players drop like flies the last 2 seasons. Also, I would have liked to have seen Freese called up too, not sure why that didn’t happen.

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 8, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OT

Flipped past Rome is Burning and some guy (not-Kuselias) on the Forum dissing on Tim McCarver’s “despicable” comment … saying he played for the Cardinals, they’re so straitlaced, they have no facial hair, they’d probably chop off Manny’s locks.

I was incensed. What of Cardinaut! What of the Stache! What of the Motte! And even if you adjust for era, we have had some historic facial hair. Man, that bias sucks.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and Pujols

always has some kind of stubble going on at least

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 8, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that reminds me

one of my old friends who was a cub fan said he didn’t like pujols because of the 5 o’clock shadow, said it made him look “dirty”

go rays

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 8, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least it's not an Angels mini-beard

And you know when the new hitting streak is coming along — when he goes clean-shaven.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to agree with a cub fan

but I like clean shaven Pujols much better. Well clean shaven Pujols’ bat anyway.
Ok, not MUCH better, because , hell, I kinda like any version of Pujols.

Wow, way too many commas

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 8, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Here’s some more in case you run out.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 8, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

much appreciated

that is what I like about this place, always someone willing to help a brother out

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 8, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I figured since I don't know where to put 'em anyways

might as well give ‘em to someone who will put ’em to good use. Btw, I think it was you who offered up some flags to me when I almost ran out the other night, so I’m returning the favor.

Pretty sure it was you, and if it wasn’t, then I guess we could call it Paying It Forward.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 8, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How quickly they forget

Scott Speizio and his red chin hair.

by launchshuttle on Oct 8, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Of all metaphors to say the Cards are too square for Manny. Standards, but … what dress code?

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

then there was the comment by Dave Duncan earlier this year about all of Reyes tats. That kinda ticked me off. That kind of attitude needs to go away.

by sbentley on Oct 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*tongue-in-cheek*

I’ll believe there’s a dress code when all the socks are standardized.

(I wonder what he thought of Lopez.)

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he is confusing us with the yankees of the year "back in the day"

we even had Kline and Tavy, and Belly for a while.

Pujols doesnt shave half the time and Bartons got dreads.
Infact wasnt there a book written about McCarvers Cardinals that showed them to be the young, hip, integrated diverse foils to the straightlaced Yankees?

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 8, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't understand it

Then I remembered it was ESPN.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A request. Sorry if this is out of line or something

I hope someone could do a look into what options the Cards might pursue at MI this off season.

I know we keep hearing all about these guys but id appreciate a take from those smarter than I at it ;-)

guys like Furcal, Hudson, Ocab, Renteria, Miles, Ryan, Lopez, Kelly Johnson perhaps? ect…
I know a lot of it is pie in the sky

btw, I love the lil’ Mo report card stuff.
Though I always read it in a woman’s voice…which gets weird when you get to the name ;-)

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 8, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is at least one sidebar on this

currently up. Briefly, there are a handful of decent FA options at second who can hit but field only adequately. There are several options at short who can hit but field poorly. There is one option who can hit and and field decently (Furcal). And there are numerous options of people who can field but not hit or people who can’t do either very well. Basically it boils down to this: The team will only upgrade one of the two positions externally. The other will either be a bat (Lopez/Miles at second) or a glove (Izturis at short). Fortunately, the team only needs to upgrade one of the two.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 8, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you.

ill check it out

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 8, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BA profile on Cardinals Prospect Adam Reifer

Subscription content but it’s on the front page of Baseball America. Interesting stuff from yet another RH relief prospect. High 90s stuff, picked in the 11th round yeahyeah but I found this interesting:


Reifer said coaches showed him videos of dominating power pitchers like Roger Clemens and Nolan Ryan and conducted drills to help him accelerate his time to the plate, get better hip rotation, stop stepping across his body and keep his arm more relaxed during his delivery.

Dunno what “arm more relaxed during his delivery” means but I like the first part.

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 8, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats one of the most encourgaging things I have heard in a while.

I really would much rather see this type of coaching vs what we get at the MLB level for our team. Ironically, much of it is in direct conflict with what Duncan would teach.

by DriverZn on Oct 8, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate that jump to conclusion

I would greatly assume if that philosophy is being installed in the lower levels of the minors it’s a system wide thing. Why would they install a new system that contradicts what would be taught (more tweaked) at the major league level? We don’t know exactly what it is that Duncan teaches on a case to case basis aside from what seems to be a general “sink” philosophy. How does that have any relevance to teaching “accelerating time to plate, hip rotation etc”?

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This comes to the pre/post Duncan breakdown of Mulder.

One of the key things Duncan preaches is “staying controlled” and one of the big results is a slower tempo of delivery. Usually leading to reduced velocity but better control.

Accelerating to the plate is the opposite of staying back and getting on top of pitches. Witness the changes that mulder and flores made under his instruction. There was recently a discussion that flores was told to drive less towards the plate and stand taller to get more downward movement on his pitches. This was right after he was recalled from AAA and before it was clear he was still ineffective.

by DriverZn on Oct 8, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Mulder may have been hurt?

Flores sucks period, trying anything new would be a help. Again, why would they institute a system wide philosophy that directly contradicts the major league coaching?

Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist, but I heart Ben Zobrist

by joker24 on Oct 8, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would they have conflicts, I don't know.

But this isn’t the first time we have evidence of it. I think if you look though the history with Reyes you would see a lot of similar issues.

Sometimes even the best people disagree and simply are the best at doing different things. Duncan is very, very good with a specific type of pitcher. No one denies this. Where he fails is when he has to work with a different type. Perhaps in the minors they have someone capable of working with a pitcher that falls outside Duncan’s specialty.

by DriverZn on Oct 8, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would they have an organization-wide push

to in-house, cost controlled players and have a manger/pitching coach with a pretty clear bias toward veterans? Just because having one approach in the minors and a different one in the majors doesn’t make sense doesn’t mean it hasn’t/couldn’t happen.

Why would they take pitchers who have been in their system for multiple years and then try to change them when they get to the big league roster. TLR and Dunc don’t pay a lot of attention to the minors because they assume those guys are just trade fodder anyway.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 8, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone watch the Daily Show Last Night

They did this little bit about Stupid people and Cub Fans were brought up, It was quite enjoyable

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187570&title=the-stupid-vote&byDate=true

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 8, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was going to post this last night, but they hadnt uploaded it yet

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles

Dont take me seriously :-D

by jealousblues on Oct 8, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks, was looking for that

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was funny.

“They’ve had one hundred years to figure out that what they want will never happen and yet they still yearn for it.” Classic!

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 8, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isringhausen grade

paying Jason Isringhausen $8 M to be statistically the worst reliever in baseball this year (and that isn’t over dramatized for effect, he really was the worst) can not get a B+.

Not only was it a colossal waste of money but it cost the Cardinals a playoff spot. It further fractured the organization, as LaRussa held on to his salty vets over calling up young relievers.

If you want a pivot point for where the organizational harmony and season results took a horrific turn for the worst, it was Jason Isringhausen.

That deserves an F, but if you want to be generous for not knowing that a 34 year old injured closer would get injured again (while having a degenerative hip condition), you can give it a D+.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's revisionist.

Paying him $8M wasn’t the problem. He had a tremendous 2007, Perez wasn’t ready to close and it was a one year commitment. The problem was the inability to walk away from him once it became obvious (or seemingly so to most people) that he just wasn’t right. That’s what did the Cardinals in.

by azruavatar on Oct 8, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may have been a great idea to do that project about volcanos

and your proposal was really good, but now that I have seen the final product, I can not give you a passing grade for a report that was only half done and a volcano that exploded all over the classroom.

B+ for effort
F for execution.

Failed.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see where

Mo should get downgraded for what happened with Izzy. Put that on entirely on TLR.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sending him out to get beat on for a month

after it was obvious that he was no longer effective.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it would have been pretty strange

for MO not to re-up Izzy after the 2007 season he had. No sign of recurring hip injury, pretty damn effective closer. Kind of a no brainer.

Otherwise, see Sleepy’s comments.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 9, 2008 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and WJ

for giving him the no-trade clause…

Based on the dramatic events leading to Izzy’s first DL spell, and depending on who orchestrated the events, Mo might actually deserve an “A” for creative writing.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no trade

Izzy has no trade due to service time and time with the club it has nothing to do with his contract

by StLHugo on Oct 9, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, 10-5?

dang it, i needed to blame WJ.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know why I don't know this

and I don’t even know if it’s obvious or not, but it just kinda popped into my head when I read this comment.

Does the 5 portion of the 10-5 clause have to be a continuous 5? Like if a player spent 4 years with a team, went to another for 1 or 2 years and then returned to the original team for another year. Is he a 10-5 guy or does it have to be a continuous 5?

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 9, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

consecutive.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assumed

but sometimes when an odd thought pops into your head (well, at least my head), it’s tough to shake it.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Oct 9, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The execution was the signing/picking up the option.

RedBaron graded the decision to pick up his option. There was nothing in Isringhausen’s 2007 that would indicate that he was going to hit the wall the way he did.

I’m no Izzy apologist, but the guy had definitely done the job in ‘07. Mo had no reason to believe that he wouldn’t at least hold the fort until the options of Perez, Motte, etc. would be ready to give it a shot.

So, Mo may deserve an F for allowing LaRussa and Duncan to drive the team into the ground at the beginning of the year while waiting for Izzy’s “confidence” to come around, but I don’t see that RB is wrong in grading the decision to pick up his option.

Then again, I’m not a big fan of micromanaging from the GMs position. If he thinks his coaches are mishandling the team on the field, then he should discuss it with (or possibly replace) them. I don’t want a GM to make the decisions on who plays and who sits.

by etp_stl on Oct 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget that Isringhausen WAS going to be traded

last year at the deadline but refused the trade to Cleveland. The Cardinals took this as loyalty, even though Mozeliak’s predecessor already saw that Isringhausen was more valuable to the franchise NOT on the roster.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m gonna agree with the robot

by sbentley on Oct 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A B+ is awfully high for a 4th place team

I know this was supposed to be a transition year, but there really wasn’t any transition, either, to go with the 4th place finish. Guys like Skip and Miles and Floppy got playing time, while guys like Ramus and Hoffpaur stayed in the minors, and Barton was in the dog house when he wasn’t hurt. What did we learn about the future? Nothing. Even the relievers who had some success this year, like Perez and Motte apparently haven’t proven enough to Tony to get a chance next year out of the gate. Only McCllellan, I guess because he isn’t a hard thrower.

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro

by DiscoJer on Oct 8, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

4th place

To be blunt, yes, they finished in 4th. They did, however, have more wins than 10 other NL teams, including the Dodgers. You can’t call them a “4th place team” in the same way that the Giants and Nationals were 4th place teams (Cards 86 wins, Giants and Nats 72 wins.)

by Hal Lanier's Pants on Oct 8, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa...slow down

A B+ for being a 4th place team could be high…but saying that “there really wasn’t any transition, either” is absolutely wrong. The average age of the hitters dropped about 1.5 years and the average age of the pitchers on the team went up only .6 years. If the team would have stayed static, it would have gone up by 1 year on each. So, really…the team dropped 2.5 years on the hitters and .4 years on the pitchers, in retrospect.

The team had 8 players on the roster 25 or younger, and another 15 who were between 26 and 28 (inclusive) compared to 6 and 12 last year. Even though they got younger, they were able to drop their team ERA 0.45 and raise their ERA+ 7 points. The also were able to raise their team batting average .007 and their OBP .013. Their team SLG went up .028, thus their OPS went up .041 and their OPS+ went up 15 points.

Pitching, the ’08 squad struck out 12 more batters, while walking 13 less batters. Hitting, the ’08 squad hit 4 more doubles, 13 more triples (doubling their total), and 33 more homers.

by stlfan on Oct 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about grading Mozeliak on the Duncan situation?

He finally stood up to LaRussa and sent Duncan down to AAA, only to have Chris called right back up after Albert was injured. All while Chris Duncan was playing injured.

What is that, an even C?

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 8, 2008 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would absolutely love to know

the behind the scenes details on how all that went down. If it really was Mo’s call to bring Duncan back up, then he should be hammered for it. If it wasn’t his call, then that would be very interesting.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Oct 9, 2008 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all good

Mather wasn’t ready yet anyway

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 9, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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